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Tea Party and Occupy have some common concerns

Prior to the infiltration of nationwide Occupy demonstrations by many radical groups, there were some legitimate concerns being expressed, though some will criticize the methods they employ. Certainly there are some concerns they share with the Tea Party, and it may be time for the two groups to come together.

Congress has for many decades passed laws demonstrating good intent, frequently creating unintended consequences.  In the early 20th century personal income of corporate executives were taxed at very high levels, creating a need for alternative ways to compensate.  Thus stock options and pensions became part of overall compensation.  Name the law, and we can find unintended consequences.  Individuals and corporations alike have learned to use laws passed by Congress to their benefit, finding mostly legal ways to avoid further taxation or to gain an advantage.

It is these laws and their loopholes which should be targeted, along with Congress and the President who passes them, not the corporations which create most jobs in America.  Laws forcing banks to provide mortgages to those without the means to repay them, for instance, led to banks figuring out legal ways to avoid taking large losses when those mortgages fell through.  Laws allowing executives of taxpayer bailed-out companies to continue receiving large bonuses before the company repays American taxpayers should not have passed.  Those who break the law in gaining advantages should be, but often are not, prosecuted. Shutting down these businesses by Occupy crowds, however, hurts all employees from blue collar to white, not just executives.

Only 12% of Americans approve the job our Congress is doing. Crony capitalism is condemned because those with close ties to government receive “favors” including permits, government grants, earmarks, and special tax breaks.  We condemn bailouts of failing companies. Our Federal Reserve, which has never been audited, secretly bailed out banks around the world with dollars far greater than domestic banks received.  Baseline budgeting, without any vote in Congress, automatically raises the budget for government programs by 8% per year, even during times of budget deficit and no inflation.  Lowering the increase is decried as a cut, even though the programs receive even more money.

We should rethink spending on government programs.  Trillions of tax dollars have been spent on education, on the war against drugs, and the “war on poverty”, resulting in less able graduates, more drop-outs, more illegal drugs and more poverty.

Chaos, demonstrations and threats can and do bring a problem to the attention of America, as they have throughout our history. Working together, however, we can improve America without destroying the free market capitalism which has enriched the lives of Americans, whereby those who work hard and take advantage of their opportunities have an amazing chance to improve their lots in life, an extraordinary opportunity not afforded to those living in countries run by tyrants and dictators.  Socialist, Marxist and Communist leaders have never provided the freedom and upward mobility that is abundant in America.  People long to come to America and are willing to die to get here – it is the land of opportunity!  President Obama recently dared to defy history by declaring that capitalism has never worked.  He is factually impaired, as capitalism DOES work, and we need to reestablish the best opportunities of that capitalism.

 

So what is it that we can all do to make a change?  Tea Party and Occupy groups could begin to meet in order to find common causes.  We should peacefully petition Congress in large numbers with letters, emails and office visits, and attend Townhall meetings to have our voices heard.  We should demonstrate, without trespassing or keeping others from getting to their jobs.  We should be writing Letters to the Editor.  We could run for election as Precinct Delegates, the smallest political unit in the country to have a vote. Several hours per day on the phone could be more productive and far more comfortable than spending 3 months in a tent. We should take positive actions to effect change in America instead of trying to bring America to its knees.  Investigate those running for office, study their positions, and volunteer for those whose beliefs match your desires.  It’s the American way!

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  • rbdwiggins

    There’s a term that aptly applies to your young liberal friends: Useful Idiots.

    Or, if reality is too harsh: Tools.

    Just in case you’re unaware, most public message boards are monitored, targeted and have been infiltrated by those same radical groups and their minders. You can discover the identities and extent of their reach by clicking on the link provided. You can spend days going off on tangents and related articles if you wish, but I recommend reading the entirety of the main OWS page first. It provides much of the necessary background to understand the links between the groups and connect the dots.

    Occupy Wall Street

    Welcome to the real world…

    • rbdwiggins

      if I didn’t include this important link. Read this one too. It’s much more comprehensive, and it may alleviate the need to read much further before you get the picture…

      Occupy Wall Street: A Comprehensive Study

    • realgop

      is that people feel the need to label and minimize anyone with a point of view we disagree with. Why must you assume that anyone with a liberal idea is merely a pawn of some leftist Illuminati plot? I will believe that OWS is greatly influenced by leftist extremist groups, and that they greatly promote OWS for their own ends. However, I understand that there are deeper reasons for leftist sentiments. Intelligent people can come to differing conclusions.

      As for these links, they fail to convince me of some dark conspiracy to artificially create a leftist movement. The left is naturally the side to protest! It is only a sign of how bad things have gotten that conservatives ever took to protests on the scale of the Tea Party. In fact, much of the text of these links reminds me greatly of liberal attacks on the Tea Party as artificial. We have two parties because America is divided ideologically. I do not find it hard to believe that the other half of our society can also fight for their beliefs.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        and it’s equally obvious you’re neither “real” or “gop”.

        As far as the idea that there is any similarity or link between OWS and the Tea Party groups. The fact that you are unable to discern that speaks volumes of your complete ignorance.

        Zip up kid, you got to post a couple of times on a real blog. Now grow up and come back in 20 years.

        • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

          nt

        • realgop

          We are bringing out the ad hominem attacks now? This is well and truly the level of intellectual debate that shall save our country!

          This is the last time I’m going to comment on this since the level of discourse seems to have fallen to about the point I expect from an OWS gathering. The idea that there is NO similarity or link between OWS and Tea Party is just false on its face. It is wrong from an organizational standpoint, as and Political Scientist could tell you, and it is wrong on a policy standpoint. Do see below for a better explanation.

          http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/10/19/occupy-wall-street-tea-party-born-bank-bailouts/

          I don’t ask for your agreement, because that seems impossible. I merely ask for respect for my opinion. If conservatives can’t even respect each others opinions, then this nation is doomed.

          • rbdwiggins

            For that I fault our failed government schools.

            From Marx to the present, the entire history of the leftist movement (read: revolution) is littered with violent oppression, famine, poverty and death. More than 50 million have been killed here in the United States alone. 47 million Americans currently receive food stamps, and 36% of our entire labor force population are unemployed because the left’s war on poverty has been an abject failure.

            There is absolutely no link, nor common cause, between the Tea Party and Occupy, Fox Business notwithstanding.

          • rbdwiggins

            For that I fault our failed government schools.

            From Marx to the present, the entire history of the leftist movement (read: revolution) is littered with violent oppression, famine, poverty and death. More than 50 million have been killed here in the United States alone. 47 million Americans currently receive food stamps, and 36% of our entire labor force population are unemployed because the left’s war on poverty has been an abject failure.

            There is absolutely no link, nor common cause, between the Tea Party and Occupy, Fox Business notwithstanding.

          • APA Guy

            …to be any more valuable than the lint in my pocket. Political science is a social science – which means it is nearly 100% subjective where conclusions are concerned.

            As I told Becker above, this is a common leftist troll tactic: linking a true grass-roots movement like the Tea Party to a rabble of spoiled, unwashed miscreants.

            The American public holds the latter in extremely low regard due to the filthy manner by which they voice their dissent. I seem to remember the Tea Party launching organized protests predicated on the fact that the country is headed toward a socialist meltdown with all the deficit spending.

            These OWS pukes trash the public lands they “occupy”, trespass on private property and often destroy it, and their unfounded assertion that capitalism only rewards the wealthy instead of the hard-working has been disproven time and again.

            No similarities between these movements other than the fact that they are both protests…period.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            1. I have absolutely no respect for you or your foolish and ignorant opinion.

            2. With respect to Political Science, first thing to note is that it’s not “science”.

            3. There is no similarity or link between OWS and TP. OWS is a leftwing anarchist movement that seeks to replicate the old Soviet Union. You obviously have no perspective on that and I’m not wasting my time giving you one. Just because OWS and TP happen to be opposed to a few of the same issues doesn’t mean there is similarity or links. Look to the solutions, fool. OWS wants government control over all production and property. TP wants the government completely disengaged and a return to the founding concepts of property rights and individual liberty. The two groups are diametrically opposed.

            As far as the “level of discourse”, there is nothing to discuss. We take freedom seriously here and find no common ground with Marxists, anarchists and Socialists. There’s nothing to discuss beyond the fact that you and your ilk are ignorant and refuse to see that everywhere your solutions have been tried, they’ve resulted in oppression and societal destruction and the complete removal of freedom and liberty. There’s a reason that places that follow policies that you prefer have walls built around them, and it’s not to keep people out.

            Not only do I have zero respect for you, you disgust me. I wouldn’t spit on you if you were on fire.

      • APA Guy

        …are predicated on visions of fantasy.

        They do not want to believe that this is one nation, under GOD, because acknowledging that God is a central force guiding this country belies their belief that NOTHING in existence could possibly be greater than them…including God.

        Liberals believe that those who worked their entire lives to accumulate wealth and a good standard of living should give that hard-earned wealth to those who simply refuse to work for a living…and that refusing to do so makes that hard-working person “greedy” or even “evil”.

        Liberals believe that criminals should have more rights than law-abiding citizens…and that our justice system unfairly penalizes those who choose to disobey laws because it is somehow racist to hold all races accountable for their poor decisions.

        Liberals are labeled, “realgop”, not because they have differing points of view, but because they deal in “what should be” at the expense of the traditions and values that made America the greatest nation in the history of the planet. They want to turn successful (America the great) into catastrophic (Europe the bankrupt). How does one NOT label that sort of thinking idiotic?

  • williamjameson

    have harassed and lied too often for the TP to give a hoot about violent extremists.

    OWS is funded by extremists and liberal astro turf, no one wants to associate with them except DNC Chairwoman Debbie “Downer” Schultz. Obama and the DNC are twin with OWS. Expect 527 campaign ads with Obama and OWS.

    The TP is a far superior group that cleaned up the bad element, OWS has yet to take a bath and stop destroying property.

    The other day a NYC policeman was stabbed with scissors by an OWS member, then dozens of OWS SCUM tried to block the ambulance from taking the cop to the hospital………….an unAmerican group. Forget the scumbag degenerates!!!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    A complete idiot, totally ignorant and a fool of historic proportions.

    So what is it that we can all do to make a change? Tea Party and Occupy groups could begin to meet in order to find common causes.

    A mere nine hours into the new year and you’ve got a lock on the dumbest thing ever written at Redstate. I was going to spend some time deconstructing this “diary”, but when I got to the quote above it became immediately obvious that it would be a waste of time.

  • rbdwiggins

    Occupy and the radical groups are one and the same. Class warfare, a sense of entitlement, civil disobedience, the destruction of private property, violence, and even death are inherent to all leftist movements. The name “Occupy” should have been your first clue. These people are Obama’s ‘citizen army’, and Occupy is astroturfing of the first order. They were deployed in order to create enough chaos to nudge the American people into demanding that government must do something. It backfired.

    The Tea Party is a true grass root organization that encompasses a broad spectrum of the American electorate. Limited government, lower taxes reduced regulation and fiscal responsibility form the common bond, and that puts them 180 degrees out of phase with the Occupy movement.

    I can find no legitimate reason for a grass roots movement to sit down and have a conversation in search of common cause with a group of leftist radicals that were assembled by the Democrat establishment in order to counter the Tea Party.

    It’s a dangerous move that can only end by discrediting the Tea Party in the minds of the American electorate.

  • realgop

    As a young person surrounded by liberals, I was very much aware of the rumblings of the “Occupy” movement. It’s origins are very different from the Tea Party’s, having been born out of discussions on decidedly non-political entertainment forums and image boards. As you might can imagine from their current incoherency, the ideas they rallied behind were very vague and occasionally contradictory.

    I think there is actually much common ground between the two movements. Both want government accountability. Both dislike the cozy political-corporate relationship. That said however, there is a fundamental difference between the Tea Party ideals and OWS ideals (as far as I can puzzle them out). The Tea Party has a strong libertarian bent whereas OWS is very Statist. The two groups can’t band together for this and various other reasons, and being associated with a group that defends arsonists, rapists, and the like would only hurt the Tea Party.

  • APA Guy

    This is a common leftist troll tactic: linking a true grass-roots movement like the Tea Party to a rabble of spoiled, unwashed miscreants. The American public holds the latter in extremely low regard, while they all understand the virtue of being over-taxed.

    If they actually WORK, that is…

    Good work with this comment.

  • snowshooze

    And we will have nothing to do with it.
    We don’t want to talk to them, see them or smell them.
    We don’t want them around our families, or anywhere near our property.
    Nope. They have absolutely nothing in common with us, and nothing to offer.
    They are pure filth. Did you read about the millions of dollars wort of damage they caused in several of their city camp sites, both on Public and Private property?
    And rapes, robberies, drug dealing,murders and an endless list of quite disturbing behavior…
    Did you see the aftermath of the Tea Parties? The places were cleaner when we were done than when we arrived.
    No, we’ll just suffer along by ourselves, thanks.
    Obama can keep his Occupiers.

  • mikeymike143

    and i have 20 bucks that says she is a paulbot(the ”end the fed” and ”crony capitalism” references are usually a dead giveaway).

    the tea party has already rejected any type of comparison or alliance with the low class dirtbags known as the ”occupy movement”. the only thing they need to occupy is a shower stall.

  • mikeymike143

    can i copy and repost it(with your name) on a political site i have?

  • snowshooze

    Thanks,
    Mark

  • mikeymike143

    and also being reposted by other members. thank you. : )

  • snowshooze

    Their gonna put me in the movies.. their gonna make a big star outt’a me…
    I looked for your site out of curiosity. I’d like to see what they are talking about.
    Drop a line.
    Thanks,
    Mark