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		<title>By: ciscoguy</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/curt_levey/2011/01/31/beware-of-narrow-obamacare-victory/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>ciscoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Premiums would skyrocket more than they already are without the mandate in place, and regardless, Obama&#039;s ego is such that he would veto it anyway if it somehow cleared the Senate, which I doubt would happen in the first place.  I think we&#039;re looking good for the SCOTUS throwing out the mandate - whether they get the whole thing is another story.  We could well end up with Obamacare with no mandate by virtue of the Court&#039;s decision, which would leave us in the same situation had he signed a mandate repeal act.  Though, as you noted, he may smell impending defeat in court and try to salvage some of his legacy.  Probably unlikely though - that would crush him among his base.  He&#039;ll probably go for broke on the whims of Justice Kennedy.

Therefore, I don&#039;t know that there&#039;s much risk that the mandate would be repealed unless it is done so by another administration or the Supremes.  Sure, it may give some vulnerable D senators some cover if it makes it to Barry&#039;s desk, but then it would ultimately be yet another noose around his neck in the 2012 elections after he were to veto it (sorry for the graphic imagery!)  The best case scenario would be to have him veto it then have the whole damn thing thrown out by the Court, which is very plausible, once you remove the element of Senate passage.  I&#039;m pretty sure that would eliminate any chance of his reelection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Premiums would skyrocket more than they already are without the mandate in place, and regardless, Obama&#8217;s ego is such that he would veto it anyway if it somehow cleared the Senate, which I doubt would happen in the first place.  I think we&#8217;re looking good for the SCOTUS throwing out the mandate &#8211; whether they get the whole thing is another story.  We could well end up with Obamacare with no mandate by virtue of the Court&#8217;s decision, which would leave us in the same situation had he signed a mandate repeal act.  Though, as you noted, he may smell impending defeat in court and try to salvage some of his legacy.  Probably unlikely though &#8211; that would crush him among his base.  He&#8217;ll probably go for broke on the whims of Justice Kennedy.</p>
<p>Therefore, I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s much risk that the mandate would be repealed unless it is done so by another administration or the Supremes.  Sure, it may give some vulnerable D senators some cover if it makes it to Barry&#8217;s desk, but then it would ultimately be yet another noose around his neck in the 2012 elections after he were to veto it (sorry for the graphic imagery!)  The best case scenario would be to have him veto it then have the whole damn thing thrown out by the Court, which is very plausible, once you remove the element of Senate passage.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that would eliminate any chance of his reelection.</p>
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		<title>By: tedpomeroy</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/curt_levey/2011/01/31/beware-of-narrow-obamacare-victory/#comment-736</link>
		<dc:creator>tedpomeroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Time for us to leave the failed Obama Presidency behind and start our own healthcare reform.

Back more than a year ago, I thought Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels had some of the best ideas.

My thoughts on Goal #1?  We need to take the cost of health insurance out of employment.  We need to show the American people that our expectations that employers will pay for everything helps to send jobs elsewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for us to leave the failed Obama Presidency behind and start our own healthcare reform.</p>
<p>Back more than a year ago, I thought Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels had some of the best ideas.</p>
<p>My thoughts on Goal #1?  We need to take the cost of health insurance out of employment.  We need to show the American people that our expectations that employers will pay for everything helps to send jobs elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus_Traianus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus_Traianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would only add several points;

 Look at the extremes;
 
- Obama may feel very good about his chances with the Supreme Court. While I believe Judge Vinson&#039;s opinion will be pretty hard to refute, it is not the only opinion a court would draw potential conclusions from. You can be sure Obama will use this as a lever with weak-kneed Republicans looking to strike a political deal (especially the Senate) on repeal. Don&#039;t forget everyone is speculating about Kagan. But to believe that (her participation) is not being used as political leverage would be completely naive. Remember what Obama said about bringing a gun to a knife fight? Believe it.  

- Conversely, Republicans and the states have a pretty effective tool in the de-facto injunction. Although, I am a little befuddled why the AG of Texas was on TV saying they would continued to prepare for implementation. Judge Vinson was pretty clear he expected the Executive Branch to comply with his order, which to me means no funds or other &quot;preparations&quot; can go towards implementation. If Republican&#039;s (along with the states- somebody please send the Texas AG a memo) hold the line by stopping preparations as the appeals move forward, it is going to be a pretty effective strategy. Plus don&#039;t forget we have a Senate vote on repeal that is going to be forced.

Ultimately I feel very good about this being struck down on a Constitutional basis. But we can also simultaneously effectively act to force a Senate vote (very quickly followed by select pieces of legislation to improve or health care system), try to stop wholesale implementation vis a vis Judge Vinson&#039;s decision, stop funding (and use of funds by HHS, et al- BTW where is that legislation?) in Congress- this monstrous piece of economically destructive, rights diminishing foolishness will meet its end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would only add several points;</p>
<p> Look at the extremes;</p>
<p>- Obama may feel very good about his chances with the Supreme Court. While I believe Judge Vinson&#8217;s opinion will be pretty hard to refute, it is not the only opinion a court would draw potential conclusions from. You can be sure Obama will use this as a lever with weak-kneed Republicans looking to strike a political deal (especially the Senate) on repeal. Don&#8217;t forget everyone is speculating about Kagan. But to believe that (her participation) is not being used as political leverage would be completely naive. Remember what Obama said about bringing a gun to a knife fight? Believe it.  </p>
<p>- Conversely, Republicans and the states have a pretty effective tool in the de-facto injunction. Although, I am a little befuddled why the AG of Texas was on TV saying they would continued to prepare for implementation. Judge Vinson was pretty clear he expected the Executive Branch to comply with his order, which to me means no funds or other &#8220;preparations&#8221; can go towards implementation. If Republican&#8217;s (along with the states- somebody please send the Texas AG a memo) hold the line by stopping preparations as the appeals move forward, it is going to be a pretty effective strategy. Plus don&#8217;t forget we have a Senate vote on repeal that is going to be forced.</p>
<p>Ultimately I feel very good about this being struck down on a Constitutional basis. But we can also simultaneously effectively act to force a Senate vote (very quickly followed by select pieces of legislation to improve or health care system), try to stop wholesale implementation vis a vis Judge Vinson&#8217;s decision, stop funding (and use of funds by HHS, et al- BTW where is that legislation?) in Congress- this monstrous piece of economically destructive, rights diminishing foolishness will meet its end.</p>
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		<title>By: NewTexanDave</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/curt_levey/2011/01/31/beware-of-narrow-obamacare-victory/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>NewTexanDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The keypoint is that the individual mandate is a key part of the bill that make it seemingly somewhat less costly.  If it is striken down, the program would simply be unaffordable thus would require a complete makeover.  Therefore, it would not make any sense to discard only the individual mandate.

However, I&#039;m not so optimistic about winning it in the SCOTUS....I think the only sure way to repeal this thing is to take back the congress and whitehouse in 2012.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The keypoint is that the individual mandate is a key part of the bill that make it seemingly somewhat less costly.  If it is striken down, the program would simply be unaffordable thus would require a complete makeover.  Therefore, it would not make any sense to discard only the individual mandate.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not so optimistic about winning it in the SCOTUS&#8230;.I think the only sure way to repeal this thing is to take back the congress and whitehouse in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: bags64</title>
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		<dc:creator>bags64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 11:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Republicans wouldn&#039;t be that stupid, would they?

I&#039;d rather take my chances w/ the SCOTUS, and if we lose the battle there, repeal the thing through the legislative and executive branches.

I&#039;m  cautiously optimistic about the SCOTUS, however.  Of course, I still believe in the fact that the right thing gets done ultimately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans wouldn&#8217;t be that stupid, would they?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather take my chances w/ the SCOTUS, and if we lose the battle there, repeal the thing through the legislative and executive branches.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m  cautiously optimistic about the SCOTUS, however.  Of course, I still believe in the fact that the right thing gets done ultimately.</p>
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		<title>By: antisocial</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/curt_levey/2011/01/31/beware-of-narrow-obamacare-victory/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>antisocial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 06:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a refreshing change :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a refreshing change <img src='http://www.redstate.com/curt_levey/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: victrola</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/curt_levey/2011/01/31/beware-of-narrow-obamacare-victory/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>victrola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 06:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt any reform package could ever pass the House (the Senate though is a whole different story)

Our goal shouldn&#039;t be to fix ObamaCare, but to destroy it. Hopefully Republicans understand that.  

If ObamaCare does survive all the court challenges and Obama is reelected (shiver) then we can talk about going back and reforming the bill.  Otherwise, we fight to win completely until we&#039;re out of options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt any reform package could ever pass the House (the Senate though is a whole different story)</p>
<p>Our goal shouldn&#8217;t be to fix ObamaCare, but to destroy it. Hopefully Republicans understand that.  </p>
<p>If ObamaCare does survive all the court challenges and Obama is reelected (shiver) then we can talk about going back and reforming the bill.  Otherwise, we fight to win completely until we&#8217;re out of options.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 05:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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