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Narrowing The Field

My Two Cents on the Electoral College Math

With 54 days until the election and four debates still to go, a lot can happen; the presidential race could still end up getting badly away from either McCain or Obama. But now that we have the benefit of polling done entirely after the two VPs were picked and the two conventions held, it’s possible to get a sense of what the playing field really looks like. On a national level, the race is still close, but looks much better for McCain, who leads by 2.5 in the RCP poll average; of the 9 polls listed, McCain leads in 6, Obama one, and two are tied, with all showing fewer undecideds than existed a month ago but only one poll giving either candidate 50% (the USA/Gallup poll showing a 54-44 McCain lead among likely voters – a result that would mean the race is effectively over if it was repeated in multiple polls, but which is apparently a serious outlier).

The race, however, will be conducted on a state-by-state basis, which sends us back to the Electoral College. You can run the polls yourself, but below the fold I will walk through what my gut is telling me after looking at those polls. The bottom line is that for all the talk of how Obama and McCain were map-changing candidates, this race now looks like it will go down to the wire in just a handful of crucial battleground states, with most of the Bush-Gore/Bush-Kerry red-blue patterns holding steady (the persistence of these patterns being good news for Republicans after the 2010 census, but that’s another day’s argument).

The RCP map shows Obama up 217-216, with nine states up for grabs

I generally think that’s correct as far as the states that RCP has moved into each candidate’s column – those are states that are not going to be in play unless you get a big national movement. For example:

  1. McCain largely burned his bridges long ago in Iowa, a 2004 Bush state, by his principled opposition to ethanol subsidies; he skipped the 2000 Iowa caucuses and finished a distant third there in 2008. Obama, by contrast, is one of the ethanol industry’s largest recipients of cash and (perhaps not coincidentally) a booster of subsidies. Iowa launched Obama, and is likely to stay in his column along with politically similar Minnesota and Wisconsin, even though all three will end up being fairly close.

  2. A surge of African-American voter turnout will make North Carolina closer, but I expect McCain to hold his turf there.

  3. Florida may be close in the polls, but really it’s been a steady Republican state. There were two anomalous factors that conspired to make it close in 2000: the popularity of Joe Lieberman on the ticket with older Jewish voters transplanted from the Northeast, and the early call by Fox and other networks for Gore that sent Republicans home in the panhandle before the polls had closed. Absent those factors, 2002, 2004 and even 2006 were all good Republican years in Florida.

When push comes to shove, I also expect Indiana – a rock-ribbed Republican state even in the Clinton years – and most likely Ohio and Virginia to stay home with the Republicans, close though all three will be, and while Obama has struggled in Pennsylvania (recall the “bitter” comment and his thumping in the primary there), I suspect that traditional party loyalty and Ed Rendell’s machine will put him over the top at the end. As you will see as you walk through these maps, it’s all but impossible for McCain to win without both Ohio and Virginia (and, obviously, Florida) – he’s unlikely to swipe Michigan or Pennsylvania unless he’s winning Ohio – and even more implausible for Obama to win without Pennsylvania. These are bedrock states of each party’s path to victory.

If you add in those states to each side, that gives us a map with only five swing states, and a 260-238 McCain lead:

McCain has a lot of atmospheric help going for him in Michigan: Democratic mismanagement of the state government and the economy; the arrest and resignation of Detroit’s Democratic mayor, who supported Obama; lingering bitterness over Obama’s effort to avoid seating the Michigan delegation during his battle with Hillary. On the other hand, McCain got beat in the Michigan primary himself after his comment about jobs not leaving and not coming back was taken as a sign of undue pessimism about the economy. Fundamentally, though, Michigan is a Democratic state, albeit narrowly; it’s still an uphill battle. If we assume Obama holds onto it, we get McCain 260, Obama 255, with only Colorado and Nevada (won by Bush twice), New Mexico (won by Bush and Gore), and New Hampshire (won by Bush and Kerry):

All four of these states seem legitimately too close to call if you’ve been reading the polls. There are individual factors at work. McCain’s been popular forever in New Hampshire, site of his crucial primary victories in 2000 and 2008 (both of which depended on his popularity with independents) and the home of countless McCain town halls and bus rides over the years, whereas Obama fared poorly in the primary there. In Nevada, the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste disposal site is a flashpoint; McCain’s support of the site and ambitious plan to build more nuclear plants, compared to Obama’s unwillingness to embrace either, put McCain in a bind there. Colorado’s been trending Democratic due to a large influx of Latinos as well as liberal Californians. Then again, the distinctly Western flavor of the McCain-Palin ticket could prove appealing over prolonged exposure in CO, NV and NM.

This is where things get really hairy, because there are three different combinations (McCain wins CO, or NM + NH, or NV + NH) that get us a 269-269 tie. I think we can all agree that this would be a terrible outcome for the nation, and would cripple the next president’s ability to govern, just as the recount made it impossible for Bush, even before he took office, to even approach the “uniter, not a divider” tag he’d campaigned under; the Democrats were permanently estranged from him before Day One.

The first problem, if there’s a 269-269 tie, is the “faithless elector” problem, i.e., some elector bolting sides to break the tie, a result that would create an enormous outcry. If we get past that, the 12th Amendment explains what happens:

The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice.

We’ll skip over here the part where some bizarre deadlock prevents the House from deciding, and Dick Cheney ends up the President…basically, the vote would come down to which party controls the most state delegations in the House, and at least at present, that’s the Democrats by a margin of 2 or 3 states as of last count – I believe the most recent special elections swung them another state. I’m sure we’ll all count more closely if it happens. Of course, that’s the current Congress; I’m a little less clear on whether the current Congress or the one elected in November would tally the electoral votes…but assuming it’s still the Democrats, this probably means Obama wins if it’s 269-269.

Then we get the VP, picked by the Senate. The Senate currently has 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, one Socialist, one member of the Connecticut for Lieberman party who has endorsed McCain-Palin, and a tiebreaking vote by Dick Cheney. My guess is that given Senatorial courtesies and the like, especially with Biden as the opponent, McCain would probably dissuade Republicans from putting up a fight to saddle Obama with Palin as his VP, another outcome that would be highly unstable and bad for the country.

Well, that was a long digression into the parade of horribles, but the bottom line is, McCain needs 270 to win, Obama probably needs 269. And at this writing, the single state most likely to swing that difference is Colorado. The odds are pretty good that the margin of victory will be one state, maybe two, that are decided by just a percentage point or two.

Fasten your seatbelts.

COMMENTS

  • ToddH

    I think that if the election were held right now your final map is dead on. I believe the tossups would go NH and CO to Obama and NM and NV to McCain, giving McCain a 270 to 268 victory. I wouldn’t be surprised if that ended up the final outcome after all.

  • Anteater

    If we could somehow flip Wisconsin, then we wouldn’t have to win Colorado or New Mexico.

    As it stands, we absolutely must win Colorado or New Mexico. I think Nevada will become safely Republican by November.

  • CraigD

    I looked into the whole tie idea earlier this year (it’s on the old site), and I believe that it is the incoming VP elect that becomes president in March, not the current VP (i.e. Cheney).

    More importantly, since congress is sworn in prior to the electors casting their votes for President, it will be the newly elected congress that decides the president in the event of a tie.

  • Aetius728

    And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, take it from someone who lives in western PA and talks to culturally conservative and patriotic blue collar/union dems on a daily basis-many will not vote for Obama, and those that will will do so only because they believe that as a Democrat, Obama will protect american jobs, pay down the deficit by raising taxes on the rich, etc. You know, all those myths that sustain the Democratic party. McCain has paid no attention to these issues. The most effective TV ad that Obama has running here tells the story of a women whose plant closed, and accuses McCain of “tax breaks that ship jobs overseas” and has a picture of him and GWB.

    If McCain can confront these issues and win, Ohio and PA will be in the McCain win column for sure. But so far he is just ignoring them.

  • IJB

    If McCain wins the popular vote by anything more than a 2% margin, he’ll win all/nearly all of the close “toss up” states, and probably lands MI, and possibly MN and/or WI.

    (One interesting scenario that’s looking increasingly plausible, is McCain winning NV, NM and NH, but losing CO which is being polluted by nutty CA transplants (as is MT, as well), which gets McCain to 274…)

    If McCain wins by a 3-4% margin, then he pulls in PA as well, and possibly states like IA.

    Anything over 4%, and you start looking at 300+ EVs, with the Dems starting to look shaky in places like ME (1 shaky EV vote, at least) (and DE, if Biden weren’t on the ticket), and possibly even NJ.

    Bottom line – the only way you get to your “nightmare” scenarios is if the win by either candidate in the popular vote margin is <1% (see: 2000).

    Otherwise, you’re going to get much more decisive EV vote results (see: 2004, 1992, etc.).

  • walter_hanson

    Dan:

    For starters reread your constitution. The Congress that will convene and select the President and the vice President under that scenario is the next Congress. If currnet trends hold up there will be 51 democrat votes or more available to make Biden vice president with no fear of Chenney casting a tie breaking vote. If Democrats gain seats they are likely to push Obama through.

    However this is where I will disagree. Your map confirms what I have been thinking. Obama has to run the 22 state and DC package to get 273 votes. That is the maximum he’s going to get. Beats a large landslide where he was going to pick off a bunch of states especially in the south.

    Now Bush narrowly won Nevada both times. He lost New Mexico by less than 600 votes in 2000 (a snow storm and the networks creating the impression that Gore was elected while New Mexico voted caused that loss). Bush won a narrow victory in 2004. Those two you can count on giving Mccain the magic 270.

    Colorado while it will be hard fought I think will go Mccain. Considering the convention was there and the free media Obama would’ve gotten compared with other states the fact that he doesn’t have a lead outside the margin of the error shows he is sunk.

    One thing I disagree with in the talk about Michigan is that I think Mccain is talking realistically. I think the people in Michigan want that! They know the auto industry will never have the same number of jobs (especially in Michigan). They are open to Mccain’s pitch. Especially with Mccain and Pallin saying their type of reform is what has been needed in Detroit for years (that will go over well outside the Detroit area). Still I will conceeed Obama wins Michigan because accoridng to my count Mccain has 279 votes.

    If Mccain gets to 52% nationally he wins New Hampshire.

    If Mccain gets to 53% nationally he wins Michigan.

    If Mccain gets to 55% nationally that map will be a lot redder.

    What do you think?

    Walter Hanson
    Minneapolis, MN

    • ToddH

      we have a better shot of flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania, though I wouldn’t be too surprised to see both flip.

      • IJB

        :)

  • tir

    it’s making me feel a little sick. Living in Colorado, I never thought we’d be a swing state, and I’ll be sick if we end up being a swing state that goes the wrong way. I even ended up volunteering and walking my precinct, which is just about as far away from fun for me as anything I can imagine.

    The good news is my friend just talked two more people into voting for John McCain yesterday. They started quoting media talking points to her and she just started asking questions. Did you know that Obama…this? Do you know that Obama…that?

    There are still alot of people in Colorado that don’t know really know what he stands for. (Michelle’s comment about him repealing the DOMA really helped.)

    • PaRep

      Don’t forget the Bradley effect for “THE CHOSEN ONE” to overcome

      • walter_hanson

        Craig:

        The March deadline was under the old version of the constitution where the President was sworn in March. The Congress coming into power had the job of resolving it. Since the constitution was amended in part because people thought that Franklin Roosevelt needed to be sworn in earlier to deal with the crisis the date of the innaguartion was changed to January 20th. Thus Congress meets a couple of weeks earlier and one of their duties is to count the votes of the electoral college and if necessary break a tie or elect a president if no one gets 270 votes. Though as I noted in my post own Cheny will have what I think is a worthless tie breaking vote.

        Walter Hanson
        Minneapolis, MN

        • Aetius728

          McCain needs to continue pounding Obama on the issues that he is currently, but a strong, easily understood, and appealing economic message would do wonders in the rust belt areas.

          It is amazing how many people are voting for Obama on these issues alone.

  • The_Rebel

    not because I think McCain is going to win them, but I would like to compare polls taken in 2004 and 2008 after both conventions. My gut tells me that Obama right now is not polling as well as Kerry was in those two states. That being the case, my gut would also tell me that McCain, in many of these battleground states, is doing much better than current polls are indicating.

  • paint_it_red

    Obama would become President because the Democrats control, count them, 27 of the Congressional delegations in the House. The current Senate, not the elected in November, votes for the Vice President, which, with Lieberman, would make Palin V.P.

    Now, there are 8 states the Dems only control in the House by a 1 representative edge, so if any retirements, deaths, etc. occur, (about 35-40 such Congressman) in two of those 8 states, Obama does not become President. Rather, Palin becomes acting President. When the new Congress is sworn in, they vote again and Obama becomes President at that time.

  • paint_it_red

    Could all go red this year. If Palin closes even a fraction of the gender gap, I believe we win in a landslide.

    • SeanH90050

      First of Dan, well done in your analysis.

      I was looking at the math earlier this evening myself in preparation to teach the electoral college in my classes next week, and reached several of the same conclusions. 269-269 is a real, and scary possibility. I looked back at my 2004 notes and saw it as possible given Bush won Hawaii, and states that appeared to be in play at the time, while losing Iowa and others he won (its back in my office – don’t remember other specifics). But in terms of this election, barring something catastrophic from the Democratic team, or a major league home run (such as Bin Laden on a pike) it will not be more than 1-1.5% different in popular vote. I do think McCain’s best bets of the 4 in play are NH and NV. That only leads us to the dreaded tie, however.

      I also must echo Aetius’s claims about speaking to the economic concerns here in the rust belt. A flip of PA or MI ends all of this discussion, and eliminates concerns about Colorado. Now that we are moving away from the convention I hope to see McCain and Palin spending a lot of time and money speaking to voters here in Michigan about the problems of Obama’s socialist plans, along with their policies. While I have not seen the ad Aetius mentions here in Western Michigan, the “90% of the time” ad is on frequently, with little rebuttal. I hope that is addressed very soon.

      • EricB

        I really think Obama is polling higher in Colorado right now due to the Democratic National Convention being in Denver. I bet McCain is too high in Minnesota as well. There’s a better chance that we win in Colorado than in a state like New Mexico. New Mexico is trending Democratic. I don’t think this election is going to be a nail-biter going on all night. I think it’ll be called for McCain/Palin before midnight EST.

        McCain will win Virginia by more than 5 points. Florida will be called very soon after the polls close. Ohio will take a little while, but go to McCain. Pennsylvania and Michigan will be close and the counting will go on there for a while. In the end, I think McCain carries both Pennsylvania and Michigan. Wisconsin will be very close and Obama narrowly wins there. Same for Minnesota and Iowa. Colorado goes to McCain by more than 5 points. Oregon will be a nailbiter, and Washington will narrowly go to Obama. McCain also narrowly wins Nevada, which I believe to be trending Democratic.

        • Linc4Justice

          And I was thinking of moving to Colorado too, with its gorgeous scenery and cooler climate.

          Then liberals had to go and ruin it for me. Ah well, I guess there’s always Wyoming.

  • Gengisdon

    Is that McCain wins the popular vote while Obama wins the electoral college. Not likely, but if the race stays within 1%, what I’m seeing is large McCain margins in red states and smaller ones for Obama in blue states. This has been enhanced by the Palin factor, which has improved McCain’s base resolve substantially.

    If it’s 50.5% McCain, 49.5% Obama, disregarding the Barr/Nader effect, the possibility certainly exists of Obama squeaking out narrow wins in battle grounds, underperforming in Jersey, California, New York, etc., and having something of a 2000 all over again.

    But I sure hope not.

    Solid analysis on the post, btw.

  • BillM

    Dan, superb analysis. It appears Obama quietly believes 269-269 is a real possibility as well, therefore…

    http://tinyurl.com/4czsgj

    “Only Nebraska and Maine divide their electoral votes, though the votes have never actually been split. Obama has opened a campaign office in Omaha to make a play for the electoral vote decided by results in the 2nd Congressional District, which would be essential to victory if the election ended in a 269-269 electoral tie, neither candidate reaching the mandatory 270 electoral votes.”

    As for the popular vote, IMO some of the comments here are wildly optimistic (c’mon, every poll shows the Dems picking up 4+ Senate seats and 10+ HOR seats; just check the results of the last few special elections). I think Obama will win the popular vote (not that it matters; the Dems won’t accept a McCain victory if he got 60% & 440 EVs) due to:

    • Cellphone-only koskollegekids not being reflected in the polls

    • Larger margins of victory in CA, IL & NY, and smaller margins of defeat in GA & SC, due to minority turnout, tho Philadelphia will like be mitigated by Hillary Dems.

    Again, EVs are all that matter. McCain must win FL, MO, VA & OH, and Obama must win PA & MI, or else either has to (essentially, don’t nit the math) sweep CO, NV, NH, & NM if they drop one.

    Frankly, I believe McCain has a better shot of flipping MI or PA and holding NH than he does of taking two of CO, NV & NM, so that’s what I’d concentrate on, but that’s just me.

    Buckle up for sure! Certainly no time for rose-tinted glasses. This is going down to the early hours of 11/9 at a minimum, barring any ‘surprises’ or debate meltdowns.

  • Dave_in_Fla

    The math really is that electoral college ties and oddities like popular loser winning the election (ala 2000) only occur when the popular vote is very very close (<.5%). If McCain has a 2% or more popular edge then all the swing states go his way. There won’t be a 269 tie, because there won’t be a scenario where New Mexico votes McCain, but Colorado votes Obama. The states, especially in regions, trend in the same direction as pulled by the popular vote.

    538 has a model that shows this, and Jay Cost did an analysis of it back in 2004 (which I’ve haven’t found since).

    Plus, you are looking at current polls and projecting future results. The campaigns still have to play out, and they usually follow some historical trends.

    But I admit, it can be fun to play what if. You missed the chaos of the state delegations in the house voting against the will of their state in order to elect Obama. Can you imagine the uproar if Ohio votes by a large measure to elect McCain, then their congressional delegation votes to void the will of the state and votes for Obama instead? Don’t be so sure a tie goes to Obama, since in that scenario 32 out of 50 states will have voted for McCain.

    • Moe_Lane

      …if a “whoever wins the popular vote gets our EVs” law had been passed outright by Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, and New Jersey. They’d be resurrecting the Code Duello to handle the epic lawyer battles. :)

      (I looked it up: this National Popular Vote Interstate Compact thing won’t take effect until they have 270 EVs-worth signed up anyway.)

  • PaRep

    Worrying about “THE CHOSEN ONE’S Floundering campaign & it’s effect on them

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c2f69ce-8031-11dd-99a9-000077b07658.html

    • IJB

      It’s not that McCain will win either state.

      But, especially in MA, and even in NY, Obama is very likely to underperform usual Dem results like 2000 & 2004.

      In MA, I expect the Dem winning margin may be as much as halved over 2004 (which means the margin for Obama might only be 10%, as opposed to the 20% margin that Kerry got).

      This is another factor people will have to calculate in, when trying to figure out what the popular vote margins will ultimately be.

  • Pentagon16

    everyone in 04 was predicting a repetition of 00 and it never happened. The same will be true this time. Either way one cadidate will begin to pull away. Either Obama will prove he can handle the job and will shine in the debates and people will finally decide “let’s go with hope and change”

    or they will refuse to buy his act and things will continue like they have the last week where McCain continues to gain strength in Ohio and Virginia and wins Colorado and possibly NH and MI/PA. I don’t see Indiana going Obama..

    • tir

      You could move here just to counteract the liberal influx. Colorado is great.

  • RandomGuy

    If the election were held today in Michigan, I think we’d win. The Detroit Machine is broken, the suburbs (Hockey Moms) love Palin, Michigan has always liked McCain, and McCain has been surging there.

    At the very least, I think it deserves to be one of the final tossup states with Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico and New Hampshire.

    • walter_hanson

      Paint In Red:

      You have to read the 20th amendment.

      The terms of Senators and Representatives start on January third. This means if there is a tie the 111th Congress not the 110th Congress determines the election. Thus your scenario of 49 Republicans and Liberman making Pallin is a piece of fiction.

      It is highly likely that the Democrats will gain at least one Senate seat. Given they have 50 seats without Liberman they will have 51 votes (including Biden’s vote unless Delware votes him out) to be Vice President.

      Furthermore unless something happens the Democrats will gain seats and maintain their house advantage.

      Of course as I’ve posted earlier I think Mccain wins with at least 279 electoral votes so this is just a silly discussion.

      Walter Hanson
      Minneapolis, MN

  • Adjoran

    There are several reasons that the movement towards the GOP ticket, which began with the announcement of Palin as VP, could well continue – making the election not nearly so close.

    For one thing, the media and the nutcase left (which apparently includes all of them now – seems it was alien spores causing brain lesions the whole time, and it’s contagious) cannot resist going after Palin with a vile and malicious attitude, which will bring ever more fed-up females to the ticket.

    Secondly, Barry Obama has demonstrated conclusively he cannot take a punch. The mere unexpected nomination of Gov. Palin put him on his heels, alternatively comparing his ‘munity organizin’ days with her executive experience and claiming that merely running for President qualifies him for the job, and declaring he will concentrate on John McCain instead (after finding he couldn’t best her). This arrogant punk won’t give up, though: he refuses to believe a woman from flyover country with a degree from the U of Idaho can equal his Harvard degree (even if he got their via affirmative action, which is why he won’t release his grades). Keep punching, Sarah: Obama will either break down and cry like he was rebuked by Putin, or attack ever harsher, repelling more and more moderate Dems, most women, and swing voters.

    Finally, the strong tendency in the last 40 years has been for the Republican candidate to show late gains in the race. Even those too far behind to win closed the gap (Ford would have won in ’76 if the election had been a week later). Bush in 2000 was the only exception, but he also was the victim of the Election Eve revelation of his DUI arrest as a young man. History favors McCain-Palin to gain down the stretch.

  • septembergurl

    Georgia give McCain double digits in GA and a narrow lead in Ohio.

    Point is:

    Palin & good convention have solidified McCain in South & Mountain states. Heck his lead over Obama in Idaho is around 40.

    Obama has to win now without Florida or Ohio (Florida is gone, Ohio going). Can he win without FL or OH, yes, but it’s harder. He will need virginia or Indiana and some combination of SW states.

    McCain is strong in a lot of places Republicans are not strong: Massachusetts, NY, NJ, etc. Not that he would win there, but Obama has to fight to hold them.

    • RandomGuy

      But I’d rather not have this election come down to 120,000 in Ohio.

      I’d take it, of course, but it’s not like 2004 was a landslide (well, in Senate races, but not in anything else).

      2004 only SEEMED like a big win after 2000. It was actually a very narrow win. I’m grateful for it, but I don’t think saying “Well, we had a big win in 2004 after 2000″ is really accurate. That’s kinda like saying winning the Indy 500 by 3 feet is huge because last time you won it by a quarter inch.

      • Rod_Patrick

        McCain/Palin can focus on this state and New Mexico.

        McCain/Palin position on abortion has attracted many Catholics in New Mexico. Catholics are now beginning to support the ticket.

        • IJB

          But the popular vote margin for Bush was about +3% (well, +2.5%).

          That’s not an ’84 or ’88 sized margin, but it’s pretty decent in the grand scheme of things. It’s a solid win.

          And 284 EVs isn’t bad either.

          Bottom line: Unless the popular vote margin is >3%, whoever wins is probably going to be stuck sweating out OH or FL or MI or PA, no matter what. That’s just the nature of the game.

          • Rod_Patrick

            The Catholic leadership’s stand on abortion may turn out to be in favor of the McCain/Palin ticket.

            Just recently, a new poll in NM gives McCain a 1 point lead.

  • RobW

    Election math is a lot of fun.

  • cdbymatt

    A Rasmussen poll just came out that has Obama only +1. So that possible puts another state in play.

    • PaRep

      “THE CHOSEN ONE” but that is BIG trouble foe BHO Campaign

      • cdbymatt

        I guess that just wish full thinking, you are correct

        • paint_it_red

          In your interpretation of the 20th Amendment. I had not read it closely enough earlier. So, 270 for a McCain win, and 269 for Obama. Got it.