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Obama on Ayers: Hey, Everybody Was Doing It

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Here is what Barack Obama said last night about Bill Ayers and Obama’s role in handing over millions of dollars to “education” programs designed by Ayers, long an advocate of using education for purposes of left-wing indoctrination:

Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago.

Forty years ago, when I was 8 years old, he engaged in despicable acts with a radical domestic group. I have roundly condemned those acts. Ten years ago he served and I served on a school reform board that was funded by one of Ronald Reagan’s former ambassadors and close friends, Mr. Annenberg.

Other members on that board were the presidents of the University of Illinois, the president of Northwestern University, who happens to be a Republican, the president of The Chicago Tribune, a Republican-leaning newspaper.

And here is an earlier statement by Obama:

The suggestion that Ayers somehow dominated the policy or direction of the bipartisan Challenge Board, imprinting it with radical views, is absurd. The Annenberg Challenge was funded by Nixon Ambassador and Reagan friend Walter Annenberg. Republican Governor Jim Edgar, who wrote to Walter Annenberg to encourage the creation of the Challenge, joined Mayor Daley to announce the formation of the Challenge and his administration continued to work closely on education reform with the Board.

There are two main problems with Obama’s response. One is that Obama is basically passing the buck for his own decisions to other people – undoubtedly a preview of his presidential leadership style, like during the bailout vote when he essentially did nothing to help his party pass the bill when it came up for the original vote. The other is his effort to conflate the national Annenberg Foundation with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge; Obama served as chairman of the board for the latter.

The first problem is self-evident: Obama, having entrusted money to Ayers and his radical theories and now being embarrassed by CAC/Ayers’ funding of left-wing projects like “Afrocentric” education, wants to blame his partners on the foundation board. Not good enough. Obama’s never been in charge of anything besides CAC and the Harvard Law Review, so maybe he needs to learn: when you are in charge, you are responsible for the decisions you make.

Second, Obama’s trying to conflate the Annenberg Foundation, which provided $49 million in seed money for a grant proposal (partly written, yes, by Ayers as one of CAC’s masterminds) with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which actually signed off on the distribution of those funds to Ayers-designed projects and had a much closer look at what was going on. href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
">FactCheck.org, which runs an extended and fairly tendentious apologia
for Obama on this, notes that the Annenberg Foundation created by Walter Annenberg in 1989 “supports a
wide variety of charitable causes – a total of 5,200 grants during its
first 15 years of operation.” The CAC was just one of those. href="http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/news/news_show.htm?doc_id=702786">
The Foundation itself stresses that:

All participating sites in the Annenberg Challenge for School
Reform were locally controlled and locally governed.

The Annenberg Foundation was not directly involved in the daily
operations of any of the 18 challenge sites
. This includes, but is not
limited to: programming, staffing, or board composition.

Work related to programs, fundraising and development, research, and
evaluation at individual Challenge sites during the grant period was
undertaken through the local Challenge entities.

Which makes the parent foundation’s affiliations (including FactCheck.org, among those thousands of recipients) and those of Walter Annenberg a red herring. If anything, the whole point of people like Obama is to make those folks believe they are giving money to something respectable. As Stanley Kurtz reminds us, this all is too commonly true of foundation work:

The Obama camp denies CAC’s radicalism by pointing to the fact that this foundation was funded by Nixon Ambassador and Reagan friend, Walter Annenberg. Moderates and Republicans often support Annenberg activities, it’s true. Yet the story of modern philanthropy is largely the story of moderate and conservative donors finding their funds “captured” by far more liberal, often radical, beneficiaries. CAC’s story is a classic of the genre. Ayers and Obama guided CAC money to community organizers, like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) and the Developing Communities Project (Part of the Gamaliel Foundation network), groups self-consciously working in the radical tradition of Saul Alinsky. Walter Annenberg’s personal politics don’t change that one iota.

The only real relevant people here are Obama’s partners on the board:

Founding members of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Board were:

Susan Crown, vice president, Henry Crown Company; Patricia Graham, president, The Spencer Foundation, and former dean, Harvard Graduate School of Education; Stanley Ikenberry, president-emeritus, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; Handy Lindsey, executive director, Field Foundation; Barack Obama; Arnold Weber, former president, Northwestern University, and president, Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; and Wanda White, executive director, Community Workshop on Economic Development.

Now, notice a few things about the board. First, when a board like that includes university presidents and the like and they elect a young civil rights lawyer and State Senate candidate chairman…who do you think is doing the work? Second, note the presence of the Crown family, major Obama donors and recipients of significant earmarks from Obama in his legislative career. Once again, all the Obama stories have common threads that tie them together.

In any event, the involvement of other people who should have known better does nothing to absolve Obama of his decision to fund Ayers’ projects. Nothing at all.

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  • NightTwister

    Who knew?

  • Thinkaboutitforaminute

    Consider, William Ayers worked in education of disadvanted children for many years. He has several Master’s degrees in Education and a PhD from Teacher’s College at Columbia University.

    Dr. Ayers works at the University of Ilinois at Chicago as a “Distinguished Professor.” He was awarded the “Citizen of the Year” recognition in the city of Chicago. This award was given in apprecation for his dedication to the development of educational theory especially as it relates to disadvantaged children and his volunteer work in re-organizing the schools of Chicago. This was when he was introduced to Barack Obama; they served on the same committee.

    Now in addition to this, I thought any citizen of this country could freely express views which differed with the government; that right is written in the Bill of Rights. So how was any comment or any spoken works said by Dr. Ayers a problem for the citizens of this great country?

    Dr. Ayers did bad things 40 years ago; which, as you may recall, was a era of activism and radicals. He has paid his dues. And Dr. Ayers has made significant changes in his life; he contributes to this country. As for his retained radical views; he has the right to express his opinion. This is the same for you and me; thank God.

    • liberalrepublican

      I don’t think anyone here has a problem with anyone being friend with Bill Ayers.

      We have a major problem with a man who wants to be president being buddies with a person like that.

      It’s not a legal question but one of judgment.

      • NightTwister

        How nice to see all of his work since has been for the children.

        • MikeO

          In your book, does free expression include setting bombs? If so, I would like nothing better than to see you have to live in such a world.

          The terrorist that you and your candidate want me to excuse is not only a self-admitted criminal of the most cowardly and disgusting sort, but he is also incompetent. Even that schizoid Kaczynski was more capable than your venerable “Dr.” Ayers.

          Keep defining deviancy down. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

          • Vladimir

            ~

          • E_Pluribus_Unum

            He said in 2001 that he ‘probably had not done enough’.

            So we can revise that to say that 7 years ago — concurrent with his alliance with Obama — he still was the same unrepentant terrorist that he was earlier.

          • aaronbg

            William Ayers was not just a victim of the times…he was an instigator!! He didn’t just live in a time of activism he organized it and funded it and caused destruction of not only the moral fiber but also the fiber that holds physical buildings together.

            He has paid his dues.

            You say he has paid his dues….well Osama Bin Laden has been forced to live in a cave for the last 7 years…hasn’t he paid his dues as well.

  • Catsy

    Senator McCain had his chance to unmask Obama as someone who “pals around with terrorists” last night, if he really thought that this extremely serious charge had merit. The subject came up on direct, and he first dismissed Ayers’ relevance and then made a weak attack on it anyway. Obama responded with an answer that, whether you agree with it or not, seemed to satisfy the majority of those who were genuinely undecided rather than already opposed.

    The door was firmly shut last night on the Ayers question. By every measurable metric imaginable, voters have rejected this line of attack, along with the character attacks coming from either candidate. You’ve heard this a million times before, but that doesn’t make it less true: this isn’t what people want to hear about.

    But by all means, if you think these lines of attack have any useful traction, if you really think they’re doing anything other than pushing people away from the Republican ticket and padding the margin by which Sen. Obama will win the election, then keep at it. From a liberal’s perspective, the more the McCain campaign spends on character attacks, the less the Obama campaign has to spend to tell voters that that’s all McCain has left.

    Like I said before, you don’t have to believe me. Not long ago I posted a similar comment, and the general reaction can be summed up as “haha, the fact that you care enough to comment means it’s working”. Whatever helps you sleep, I guess–the real test of our various opinions on what works and doesn’t comes on Nov. 4th, isn’t it?

    • James_Reynolds

      the polls are tightening up even though the economy is still where it was when Obama took his double digit lead. Nothing has changed except people are finding out the truth that Obama lies to coverup anything he thinks looks bad for him.

      • lonebeagle

        Obama doesn’t have any character and this is the issue.

        Just because you say that nobody cares about Obama’s past shady associations does NOT mean that you are correct.

        Looking at the polls you see that Obama is trailing significantly with white male voters. Most of the white male voters that I know are voting for McCain and I live in California.

        There are probably millions of middle class Americans who have a problem with the slick young black guy from Chicago.

        Character matters. In fact character is the ONLY thing that matters. The liberals and press tried to pretend that character didn’t matter when Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs in the Oval Office. The left has always tried to imply that Bill really had character and that a few “private” indescretions (like committing adultery and lying to the entire world) didn’t really count.

        Bill Clinton never had any character since you can’t have character if you are a lying cheater.

        Obama has no character because he has surrounded himself with a full roster of American hating lunatics–Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc etc etc.

        Most Americans that I know feel that character matters. This is why John McCain and Sarah Palin are such great threats to the left. They have character in spades.

        McCain is going to win this election.

        • gg4you4170

          I am a huge CNN fan, but recently I’ve been so dissapointed in their lop-sided views. If you will look back you will see I’ve been a Clinton supporter, and then said I was voting for Obama “just because” but I’ve changed my mind. I am voting for McCain. Todays Staw Poll on AOL confirms there are many others who are tired of hearing Obama talk.
          http://news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll/

          • Catsy

            Obama doesn’t have any character and this is the issue.

            It seems that north of 60% of the country disagrees with this assertion.

            Just because you say that nobody cares about Obama’s past shady associations does NOT mean that you are correct.

            Which is both completely true and completely beside the point. Nobody that matters cares about this attack. That’s not an attack against those who do care, just an observation that persuading undecided voters is the goal here, and an absolutely overwhelming majority of them emphatically don’t care.

            Again, you really don’t have to take my word for it. Obama has been well outside of the margin of error for some time now, and the gap continues to grow as McCain continues to attack like this. The facts speak for themselves, and no amount of complaining about poll weighting will change that.

            Looking at the polls you see that Obama is trailing significantly with white male voters. Most of the white male voters that I know are voting for McCain and I live in California.

            Anecdote is not the singular form of data. As for white male voters, even if this is accurate–and I’ve seen a variety of battleground state polls that suggest this is not the case–the flip side is that Obama leads McCain in nearly every other demographic or category. And none of that has anything to do with Ayers.

            There are probably millions of middle class Americans who have a problem with the slick young black guy from Chicago.

            I don’t buy this “silent majority” nonsense, not in this day and age. The notion that there are millions of people out there who have a problem with Obama that is not being reflected in even one single poll is pure wishful thinking.

            Character matters. In fact character is the ONLY thing that matters.

            Four years ago I would’ve probably said you were right about this angle, even if I disagreed about the substance of our respective candidates’ characters. Frankly I don’t understand how people can still make claims like this in all seriousness, when the message from voters this year about what really matters to them has been deafening–and it’s not character discussions.

            Most Americans that I know feel that character matters. This is why John McCain and Sarah Palin are such great threats to the left. They have character in spades.

            They have character all right, but it doesn’t seem to be the sort of character people want. Governor Palin, for all her many notable accomplishments in her home state, has become a national punch line, and once the public got over their honeymoon phase with her, she became such an anchor on Sen. McCain’s numbers that Democrats are begging for the McCain campaign to “let Sarah be Sarah” as much as Republicans are.

            I can’t imagine what your point in bringing up Clinton is. If anything, his example undermines your argument rather than bolstering it–Clinton was, after all, a very charismatic politician with deeply flawed personal character, who nevertheless was re-elected handily and ended his second term with a 65% approval rating. If that’s your argument that character matters and that’s why Obama won’t be elected, you may want to rethink your position.

            McCain is going to win this election.

            How? What’s his path in the Electoral College to 270? If you can show me a plausible scenario where this happens, I’m willing to reconsider my level of confidence. I just don’t see it.

            I’d be perfectly happy to make a gentleman’s agreement for the person who’s wrong about this to publicly eat crow after the election.

  • hogiewan

    My wife drives one – didn’t know they were how libs identified each other

    • popdaddy

      A braindead,anti-America, Chicago Public Schools Ayers/Obama youth corps will be a real cluster bomb we can’t afford.

  • jonathan_pujals

    The more one looks into this “association”, the more interesting tid bits come to light. There are persistant rumblings that Ayres recruited Obamba to come to Chicago when he was still a student at Columbia. He chose Obama to chair the CAC and he and Obama drew up the operating plan together. There has also been some provacative talk about the “true” authorship of Obama’s 2 books.

    • Tim_Schieferecke

      Senator McCain has never told one lie about Obama. Obama lies about McCain all the time. It’s really pathetic that truth doesn’t matter to someone like you, pathetic.

      • hogiewan

        wrong tab

        • kllyhlls

          ..he didn’t really pay ANY dues, did he?

          As if this picture didn’t say it all.. I believe the quote is “Guilty as he!!, free as a bird. It’s a great country.”

          KK

          • Moe_Lane

            They don’t matter, right, annandken@roadrunner.com ?

            Spew somewhere else.

          • Catsy

            Senator McCain has never told one lie about Obama.

            Sometimes I really have no idea how to respond to demonstrably false assertions like this, or even whether there’s a point in responding. Unfortunately I have a weakness for people being Wrong on the Internet.

            For starters: 1 2 3 4 5

            Note that I’ve skipped over any examples that are simply misleading, or where the facts are in good-faith dispute. We can argue unproductively about which campaign is more dishonest until the cows come home, but surely you can’t expect a ridiculous assertion like saying McCain has never lied about Obama to stand unchallenged.

          • Catsy

            n/t

          • Dave_in_Fla

            Let’s see, how about all the Bush states, less New Mexico, Colorado, and Iowa, but with a pick up of Wisconsin or Pennsylvania.

            Let me check my math … carry the 2 …

            Yep, that’s over 270 alright.

            Catsy, that was a nice long diatribe you just spent all the time on. However, you might just want to wait for those eggs to hatch before you start counting…

          • streiff

            I’d seriously consider buggering off right now instead of trolling.

            I’d really, really seriously consider it.

            And I’m not in the mood to argue about it.

          • Catsy

            Let’s see, how about all the Bush states, less New Mexico, Colorado, and Iowa, but with a pick up of Wisconsin or Pennsylvania.

            That’s really just a list of states. I can name them too, but it doesn’t say anything about whether a given scenario is likely or even possible. How are those Bush states looking right now? Seriously.

            McCain picking up Pennsylvania? Pure fantasy. The only poll that shows McCain up in PA is the atrocious Zogby, with the worst accuracy record in the biz and an appallingly small sample size. All the others show uninterrupted movement in Obama’s direction, most well outside of the MOA. As for Wisconsin, Obama is up by 12 points in the aggregate, with not a single outlier showing McCain leading. It’s not happening.

            I said a /plausible/ scenario. I’ve been scrubbing the numbers and I just don’t see one.

            (For what it’s worth, I make my living typing, so long posts are not exactly an effort for me. This is both a blessing and a curse.)

          • Catsy

            I’m not trolling. I’m engaging in a discussion with people who disagree with me, something I value. I think I’ve been here long enough to have some benefit of the doubt as to my motives.

            With that said, it’s your site and your rules, and I will go away now and respect your wishes. I posted my last comment before I saw yours; it wasn’t an attempt to squeeze in a last word.

          • lonebeagle

            How long did it take you to write all of that nonsense? You lose because you’ve just wasted a lot of time–troll somewhere else.

            I’d suggest the daily kos.

          • BlueLandRed

            but it isn’t a very effective message any more because pretty much all McCain and Palin do is bring up the fact that Obama and Ayers were on the same board and then say that this issue needs more vetting. Well, it’s been vetted, for over six months. Everybody knows about it. The political operatives and the reporters have been through everything concerning this story with a fine tooth comb. There’s simply nothing left to vet. So asking to do more vetting is simply a not so sly way of trying to keep this story in the news cycle. And everyone knows it.

            And so fatigue is setting in… diminishing returns we called it back in my Econ 101 class. Not that McCain is listening to the likes of me, but he really needs to find a more potent message to reach the Mushy Middle because this election people just aren’t that concerned with “character”… This time, if you’ll pardon my French, “It the economy stpd!”

          • kllyhlls

            is that when we speak of character and past associations, the liberals say things like this:

            Nobody that matters cares about this attack. That’s not an attack against those who do care, just an observation that persuading undecided voters is the goal here, and an absolutely overwhelming majority of them emphatically don’t care.

            Character does matter and it’s important to ask these questions. Everything is not about “persuading undecided voters”. Sometimes it’s about doing the right thing for your country. I like to call it integrity: Doing what is right even when it might not be the easiest. Of course, it might take someone with character to understand that.

            KK

          • Tim_Schieferecke

            Obama is your push poll payola president right now, but it’s not November yet. Obama is far from being vetted. He’s never released his medical records, but he’s criticized McCain as being unfit because of his acknowledged history with skin cancer since McCain DID release his. Barry still has a lawsuit pending against him to produce his birth certificate. The suit is by a Democrat.

          • Catsy

            By Streiff’s request I am backing off, and by my own choice I am taking a leave of commenting until after the election. You can obviously continue to reply to my comments, but I won’t be able to respond.

            Please accept my apologies and regards.

  • lonebeagle

    Forget the polls since there is no way to validate their accuracy. They are all over the map and in the past, they have been terribly inaccurate.

    Everyone should go to the polls on November 4th and vote for the ticket that they want.

    My prediction is that Barack will lose. Joe “six pack” average American isn’t going to vote for the empty suit from Chicago.

    I also don’t believe for one minute that there are many truly “undecided” voters out there right now. This race is between two completely different tickets–McCain and Palin are about as far apart from Obama/Biden as you can get and still be on planet Earth.

    So I think that people have their minds already made up. My theory is that lots of people are just saying that they’re undecided or are voting for Obama since it is politically correct.

    However, when they step into that voting booth, they’ll vote for McCain and Palin.

    Drudge is running a headline that says it’s a 2 point race. The press is trying to call this race already over for Obama. Don’t believe it for one minute.

    • furious

      As in no jail time? Toast of Chicago’s bien-pensant crowd? Chairing commissions and boards? Tenure at a state university?

      Paying dues for long-ago youthful indiscretions is how fellow-traveller Sara Jane Olsen, a/k/a Kathleen Soliah is spending her golden years.

      Dr. Ayers is welcome to turn himself in for incarceration at any time. At which point he can begin “paying his dues”.

      Oh, and speaking of paying dues, the wives and children of the Brinks Heist victims murdered by Ayers’ fellow Weatherman are still widows and orphans, last I checked.

      • BlueLandRed

        you say

        Obama is far from being vetted.

        Doesn’t make is so. Obama’s been under the brightest of the brightest media spot lights for over a year. If that’s not enough vetting for you, then your standards simply aren’t achievable by human beings. Which is fine, have whatever standards you want, but you should at least be honest with yourself that your only acceptable president candidate has to be a fictional character because no one else qualifies.

        • furious

          …the way, say, Sarah Palin’s per diems or supposed membership in the Alaskan Independence Party have been vetted.

          Unless by “vetted” you mean CNNBCBS or MSDNC telling us all “Nothing to see here folks, move along”.

          Seriously, if Obama’s MSM were the New England Patriots’ offensive line Tom Brady would still be starting.

          • furious

            …the way, say, Sarah Palin’s per diems or supposed membership in the Alaskan Independence Party have been vetted.

            Unless by “vetted” you mean CNNBCBS or MSDNC telling us all “Nothing to see here folks, move along”.

            Seriously, if Obama’s MSM were the New England Patriots’ offensive line Tom Brady would still be starting.

          • Tim_Schieferecke

            He’s a Manchurian candidate that didn’t have to be brainwashed ahead of time. Obama very seldom says anything that hasn’t been scripted. When he lets his guard down, he says things like “I just want to spread the wealth around.” Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anything about “spreading the wealth around.” You’d have to look in Karl friggen Marx’s Das Kapital for that sort of thinking.

          • BlueLandRed

            you’re certainly also entitled to your own version of the reality, but the GOP and the MSM has been digging around in Obama’s past for over a year. They even sent people to his old madras in Indonesia. And they hunted up his birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser or whatever.

            Obama has been vetted… they just didn’t find much because there wasn’t that much to find.

            I mean, you say he needs more “vetting”, but can you be more particular, like exactly what vetting still needs to be done?

          • antisocial

            In politics nobody loses until it is lost. It is all about narrative. The fact that this is still a topic of discussion means this issue will go on. That is until another of BO’s shady relations come up. I am happy John McCain did not lose his cool. He made his point and that’s good enough. I don’t for a moment believe anybody bought that professor line from Barack about Mr. Ayers.

            If you or anybody is trying to say that voters only want to listen about economy I disagree. Campaigns shape the narrative and the fun has just started. Character and ideology do matter and should be the primary issue for a presidential debate.

            The fact that Obama and his campaign have not answered any of these questions is a clear evidence that Obama is hiding his relationships and ideology.

            And of course his campaign or his surrogates call anybody racist when they don’t have an answer.

            I firmly believes Voters are going to reject the socialist agenda.

  • Gekster

    thinkaboutitforaminute: Are you telling me that if i set bombs or encourage other poeple who think like me to do the same, and my actions or thiers cause someone who may be totaly innocent of what I think or may even agree with what I think to die prematurely, and then I teach disadvantaged children, then I should be forgiven because now I’m nice. What if one of my bombs, “God forbid, I’m trying to make a point,” that happened to kill your Mother, then thats allright?

    Mr. Moe. Let them spew on this site. I think that it will let some commentators know that they are right.

    Mr furious. I totally agree with
    “Oh, and speaking of paying dues, the wives and children of the Brinks Heist victims murdered by Ayers’ fellow Weatherman are still widows and orphans, last I checked.”

    Miss Catsy. Your comment,
    ” Nobody that matters cares about this attack.”
    I’m somebody, and I care. And I matter to my wife, to my children and grandchildren.
    Just because I and tons of other Law abiding Americans don’t matter to you, well, what can I say.

    Mr. streiff. I think you misread Americans, at least where I live.
    It should read “a man endures what he can, and does what he must.”
    Don’t you think so?

    Furious, I take it you like Darth Vader. I like him to. But on Lego Starwars.

    Mr. Tim_Schieferecke. When he is not scripted he also says errrr…uhhh… errrr…..uhhh…for minutes at times.

    lonebeagle. Conservatives, unlike liberals, believe in free speech. Let Miss Catsy say her mind. I doesn’t hurt to hear things you don’t like.

    Miss Catsy, Please don’t let them scare you off. Obviously you are causing some ripples.

  • Gekster

    I’m sorry.
    I got to reading the comments, and forgot to say what I initially wanted to in the first place.

    Obama on Ayers: Hey, Everybody Was Doing It

    I read this and went to comments after the first two paragraphs.
    Got to reading comments, and lost my first thought.
    It was that I was, in the 60′s, anti establishment, anti school,and to say it easy, pro drugs, mostly pot.
    At no times however, did I, or anyone of my friends, even the hunting ones, want to blow anything up, or do anything to kill people.
    The only thing I knew about the weather men was Bob Dylan singing in his one song, “You don’t need a weatherman to tell wich way the wind blows.”
    So, everybody wasn’t “doing it.”

  • Jumpedship

    **Bill Ayers isn’t one bit different than he was 40 years ago. He’s just more dangerous.

    Instead of making bombs, he simply changed to making bomb makers.

    He said he didn’t do enough. So, he got into “education” to create as many Mini-Me’s as he could.

    All of the left-wingers network to “honor” each other to build validity and acceptance. Any awards given to Bill Ayers are just jokes gone too far.

    Remember that Obama’s mentor, Pastor Wright (the…uh…Christian Pastor) honored Luis Farrakhan, Muslim, as “Man of the Year.”

    Like Obama, Jesus is not Pastor Wright’s Saviour, He is his disguise.

    These dirt bags will keep on giving each other their awards. It’s just a left-wing, crony, circle-jerk.

  • Gekster

    I don’t understand the mothball comment. Are you implying brain damage.
    Ok,I agree with you then.
    I still want to know if you think its ok for someone to bomb things, but teach kids and then alls forgiven?