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The 2012 GOP Field (First Call)

Have It Out Today, Then Get To Work On Other Things

As promised, here’s my initial thoughts on what the Republican field will look like in four years. Obviously, there are many variables along the way, ranging from how beatable Obama looks to the 2010 midterms; I’m just forecasting with the known knowns we have today. As usual there will probably be 10 or so candidates, but from where we sit today there look to be four slots from which to put together a credible primary campaign:

(1) The Populist Candidate: With its Washington leadership beheaded, the GOP is likely to become more of a populist and culturally conservative party in the next four years. Mike Huckabee showed this year the power and the limitations of a pure populist campaign, far exceeding expectations with nearly no resources or name recognition (although Huck was out of step with the populists on one of the major causes of grassroots frustration with DC, immigration). Against the backdrop of a tax-spend-regulate Obama Administration, a crucial challenge will be squaring populism with the GOP’s need to appeal to economic and fiscal conservatives to expand out of the Huck-size niche. Realistically, the populist candidate is likely to end up as the most moderate serious candidate in the field.

As things stand today, Sarah Palin is the obvious populist candidate and, for now, the very-very-early frontrunner for the 2012 nomination, given her now-massive name recognition (the woman’s every TV appearance is a ratings bonanza), amazing talents as a retail politician, appeal to the base, and the GOP tendency towards nominating the next in line. Granted, only two candidates in the part century (Bob Dole and Franklin D. Roosevelt) have won a major party nomination after being the VP nominee for a losing ticket (not counting Mondale, who’d already been VP), those two waited 12 and 20 years before doing so, respectively, and recent history has been unkind to those who tried (Edwards 2008, Lieberman 2004 – see also Quayle 2000).

I’ll expand another day on the challenges facing Gov. Palin – the short answer is that inexperience is the easiest thing in the world to fix, but she’ll have to face tougher budgetary times in Alaska in light of falling oil revenues, she’ll have to withstand what is likely to be an ongoing national campaign by the Democrats to take her down or hobble her re-election efforts to cut off the likeliest threat to Obama, and she’ll have to develop and sell her own, independent agenda and demonstrate a greater breadth and depth of knowledge on national politics than are required from the running mate slot. Upside in the primaries: the socially conservative, moose-hunting hockey mom could potentially be well-suited to the early GOP primary/caucus electorates in Iowa, New Hampshire and Michigan.

(2) The Establishment Candidate: The GOP by tradition tends to fall in behind whoever is the candidate of the establishment – of country clubs and boardrooms and Beltway insiders. Part of being a Republican, of course, is having the maturity to understand that being the establishment candidate is not a bad thing. But an angry grassroots is going to take some serious persuading to pick another establishment figure.

The best establishment candidate should be Jeb Bush, for a variety of reasons, but four years won’t be enough – if any length of time is – to rebuild the Bush brand within the GOP, let alone the general electorate. That leaves Mitt Romney as the logical next step; Mitt is currently out of office and thus less equipped to get more experience, but he’ll have the money and energy to spend four years staking himself out as a consistent conservative voice and putting the distance of time between 2012 and the flip-flop charges of 2008. South Dakota Senator John Thune is also sometimes mentioned, but after 1964, 1996 and now 2008, the GOP has hopefully learned its lesson about nominating legislators for President, especially sitting Senators. Newly re-elected Indiana Governor and former Bush budget director Mitch Daniels (see here and here) will have his name come up but more likely as a VP nominee.

(3) The Full-Spectrum Conservative: The Fred Thompson role from 2008 but one that will pack a lot more potential appeal in 2012. Bobby Jindal is the best of the lot, but while he’s already got an impressive resume, Jindal’s so young (he’s 37, which makes him the age Romney was in 1985), so he can afford to wait out several more election cycles; he’s up for re-election in 2011, which makes running in 2012 very problematic; and he really and genuinely wants to stay in Louisiana long enough to make real changes in his beloved home state’s legendarily corrupt and dysfunctional political culture. The other main contender for this slot is South Carolina’s Governor Mark Sanford, now in his second term as Governor after 3 in Congress. SC is the most favorable turf for a candidate of this type among the early primary states, so with Sanford running as a favorite son he could basically block out any other challengers, and if he doesn’t run for re-election in 2010 (offhand I don’t know whether he’s term-limited), he’d have a logistical advantage over Palin, who will presumably still be in office as governor of a geographically remote state.

(4) The National Security Candidate: After four years of Obama, there’s also likely to be strong sentiment for adult leadership on national security. Traditionally, the GOP has tended to prioritize this issue (in 2008, both McCain and Giuliani ran primarily as national security candidates). But especially with Senators in disfavor, the supply of candidates with more national security credentials than a typical Governor is short – most of the Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld types in the party will be past their prime by 2012, and I continue to doubt that Condi Rice could be a viable candidate for a multitude of reasons. The name you’re likely to hear is CENTCOM commander General David Petraeus, but Gen. Petraeus – who I assume will remain on active duty for another year or two, at least, and who President Obama dare not fire – has no political experience and no known domestic-policy profile (we don’t even know if he’s a Republican). My guess is that if we nominate a governor in 2012, Gen. Petraeus will be much in demand as a running mate. After that, I’m not sure who will even try to fill this slot in the primaries.

Sorry, but that’s the list; the no-more-McCains sentiment among the base will make it impossible for someone like Tim Pawlenty to mount a credible campaign as a moderate, nobody will bother trying to re-create the crippling damage inflicted on Rudy Giuliani from running with a record as a social liberal, and no Ron Paul type candidate (especially Ron Paul) is ever going to make a serious dent. It’s those four slots or bust.

And I, for one, am definitely not committing yet to who I’ll support as between Palin or a Sanford or Jindal run or maybe somebody else (obviously I’m not a Mitt fan). There’s two long years ahead of us before that choice begins to arise.

COMMENTS

  • kyle8

    lets decide what our core issues will be, then recruit people who will at least not work to undermine those issues.

    We have no idea who will be rising to the top four years from now.

  • danto85

    We need to figure out what the next few years will bring for the country and what we are going to do in the Midterms before this should even be a conversation.

    I will say this though, Gov. Palin would not be a good choice. Might be better off running for Senate.

  • fairtaxchad

    I want Coburn on the ticket.

    • PaRep

      & right after He defeated Harris Wofford I met him at my towns Veterans Day celebration & he is a Good a person as he seems

      BUT he stayed in Wash. after being defeated by Casey & I think he has contracted the Wash. Virus

      • hazard

        will work aganist him in the event that Obama (who is also young) blows his first term.

        • GOP84

          As much as I also think that much of RedState dislikes Romney (for whatever reason), he’s easily the favorite, not to mention the best choice.

          If Romney (the economic guru) had been running against Obama in the middle of this economic crisis, we wouldn’t be saying “President-Elect Obama” today.

          CPAC has consistently voiced their preference for Romney. This Newsweek poll comes in addition to that. He’s done amazing conservative things in one of the bluest of states.

          Jindal is far too young and inexperienced (arguably less than Obama is now). Palin is excellent, but I can’t see her heading a ticket. Thompson is too old. Huckabee would be a laughingstock (i.e. FairTax). Romney’s the only one left.

          By the way, I’d be hesistant to call Romney an “establishment” candidate considering what he did for healthcare in Massachussetts.

          • GrizzlyAdam

            But McCain’s age was used as a bludgeon against him. And in 4 years Jindal will be 4 years older, and 4 years more experienced.

  • Anemicscarecrow

    Americans tend to re-elect thir Presidents. Both Bush and Clinton were re-elected with very low approval ratings and Papa Bush would have likely won in a two-man race.

    So, in 2012, the GOP needs to put up a “next-in-line” candidate that needs to be put out to pasture aka Dole. I would nominate Romney. Let him have his turn and lose to Obama and then we can forget about him.

    Then, in 2016, we have Jindal and/or Palin, plus others like them who will arise. We don’t want to waste good candidates. Name a running mate on a losing ticket to win the Presidency. Name the top of a losing ticket other than Nixon to win the Presidency.

    As to 2010, focus on winnable house races. The Senate looks very safe for both parties. The dems will go after Gregg in NH and the GOP will go after Lincoln in AR. There will be a handful of retirements (probably Bunning), but all-in-all, most seats look safe.

    • Jim_Tomasik

      Coburn would be great.

  • LAWizard

    I’ll toss in my two cents.

    Mitt is done. He had his shot and missed. I believe he has even said as much.

    Palin is good but this campaign hurt her image overall. She’s so much better than people perceive her to be, but overcoming that will be a huge challenge.

    I’m open to Pawlenty or Crist but I confess I know very little about them. I have been impressed by them whenever I’ve seen them on tv.

    The outpouring of love for Mark Sanford on this site continues to baffle me. He’s solid on issues but so are many others. Whenever I see him on tv he is just so lackluster. Until someone shows me otherwise I think Red State’s love for Sanford is geographical in nature. (That is southerners rooting for another southerner.)

    • FreeRight

      Jindal isn’t a Reaganist… he’s a reform minded conservative who has broad appeal across all spectrums, from Regean folks to Huckabee type social conservatives.

      I would say that Sanford in this category is correct though.

  • Darcy

    I’m not sure this sort of categorization is terribly helpful, to be honest, particularly if one includes a “Full-Spectrum Conservative” category (or “Reaganite” in Neil Stevens’ comment).” Putting any particular candidates in that category is problematic, because presumably all credible candidates will claim to be in that category in some sense, though coming from a variety of different perspectives and backgrounds. As a practical matter, in order to compete either Sanford or Jindal would probably have to either somehow become the establishment candidate over Romney (which I don’t see happening), or fight Palin for the votes of more grassroots conservatives. (I know I’m probably in the minority on this, but although I voted for Huckabee in the primaries, I don’t expect him to be able to be a major player in 2012.)

  • dbrowns99

    Jindal may be an “unknown” but he has attempted and been somewhat successful in turning LA around after the Katrina devastation. Maybe it’s b/c of the proximity to AL but we hear great things about him all of the time. I agree with the “Reganite” tag for him. Palin is just awesome in the fact the she did rally the base. It is up to us, the American base conservatives to decide exactly what the base is. (Smaller Gov.? strong christian/family values? right to life?)

    • DreamRedUSA

      seems to have his heart set on running again. Lunsford will probably beat him if he decides to give it another go (which he will because he is one of those guys who run for everything candidates). We need Bunning out, even if its a primary from a solid Kentucky conservative.

      • aaronbg

        n/t

        • GrizzlyAdam

          To say Romney is “anti-Christian” is to demonstrate a gross misunderstanding of Mormonsism, and a total ignorance of the man himself.

          The phantom accusations of bigotry and racism form the left over the last 2 years have become unhinged.

          To see real bigotry here is a disgrace.

          You are better suited for the likes of the DailyKos and DemocraticUnderground. They appreciated unfounded religious slandering.

          • Brandozilla

            Romney is a christian, how can he be anti-christian?

            It is comments like the above that make me ashamed to associate with you people.

          • Brandozilla

            Let’s not tag with that at all. Lets let Jindal be jindal.

  • Augustus

    You forgot to add Ron Paul to the list.

  • Brandozilla

    His ability to organize, manage money, lead and turn organizations around would be so valuable as RNC chair.

    • NightTwister

      Race bigotry may have taken a hit yesterday, but religious bigotry is still alive and well for many.

  • Renascent

    Newt needs to be on the list as a full-spectrum conservative. There is no prospective conservative candidate who is more articulate, or has a more complete comprehension of the issues. He also has strong name recognition. It is time to turn to our most viable choice.

  • Adam_C

    I believe 2012 is the right year to run a base inspiring, down-the-line conservative.

    In 2008, we had an open seat coming off an unpopular conservative. A Jeb Bush style candidate may have lost on a Goldwater scale.

    But in 2012, we have a very different situation.

    First, the outcome will be based mostly on Obama’s re-elect number. We can run a moderate, a conservative, a libertarian, a kook, but as long as they are withing the general spectrum that they are currently in elected office, the outcome will mainly be based on Obama’s first four years.

    Second, after the losses in 2006, 2008, and 2010 (i’ll explain that assumption later), the base will need to inspired. Win or lose, which again is based more on Obama than our candidate, a leader who can reinvigorate and move the Party past the Bush era is important.

    It seems like the right year for Palin, Jindal, Jeb, Sanford, or Kyl.

    • bs

      I don’t see that getting much better over the next four years.

      • Brandozilla

        It is that simple. Is Mormonism a little weird and different? Yes. And as a Catholic, Evangelicalism is a little weird and different.

        • streiff

          this isn’t the place for a theological conversation but Mormons are not Christians as any Christian group would understand the term to mean. It is sort of like saying Christians are Jews or that Muslims are Christians because of some shared literature and, perhaps, beliefs.

          • alchemist17

            Mitt still has a role to play. He’s relatively young and photogenic, as well as a conservative who managed to do well in MA. This is something we’ll need going forward.

            Sarah – I think she actually comes out of this in better shape than if she wasn’t picked. She has a solid national following that few other candidates will have in 2012. She has a ready audience on talk radio and other right-leaning media on friendly terms, and a chance to ease into the MSM on less adversarial terms. Finally, she didn’t make any real errors that will haunt her in this campaign. Most of her errors are explainable as inexperience or campaign messaging, not as bad ideas. Trust me – if she wants to run she’ll be a powerful candidate in 2012 or 2016.

          • NightTwister

            We need a voice more than we need an organizer right now. Fred Thompson should be RNC chair for the next two years. Once we get our voice back, then we can organize the RNC.

          • Anemicscarecrow

            He is a Mormon. Mormonism denies many of the basic tenets of the Christian faith such as the deity of Christ, a triune God, etc. It is a cult, not a Christian denomination.

            Pick up a copy of Martin’s Book of Cults – that is the penultimate text on the subject.

            I have taught on cults in Bible College. Your credentials?

          • XRenown

            as the veep. she’s young and can hang out long enough to run for pres later….

            but let’s be honest… she’s social con enough… and she’s for low taxes and spending… despite the oil company taxes part in AK….

            if she will prop up defense but keep them closer to home she’ll be a house rocker…

            for pres… they need to be charismatic… and paleoconservative… back to roots people… stop screwing around in the neocon business.

            now let’s stop talking shop and get something done like scattering libs in congress in two years like a roaches in a suddenly lit room.

          • Brandozilla

            I am sharing a fact, Mormonism is a christian denomination. You don’t have to like that fact, but it still remains one.

          • XRenown

            2012

            Newt/Palin

            Ballin’

            Obama will have screwed up way too much by then and his base will be depressed he hasn’t gotten the lib agenda done.

          • LAWizard

            Any religion is a cult. The only reason some religious teachings seem more “normal” is because that’s what you grew up hearing and it’s the cultrual standard. Otherwise this is neither here nor there. Another time, another place.

          • kyle8

            Not principles, those we are constantly arguing about. But I mean about five or six political issues that we can united around right now to push our party forward.

            If you try to do too much you just water down your product. I vote for the following.

            1> Save our 401k’s and IRA’s

            2> School choice and reform of NCLB

            3> Lower payroll taxes and …

            4> save soc sec and medicaire by reforming them (I know it would be better to just get rid of them, but I am being realistic here)

            5> Continue to grow the economy with free
            trade and low taxes.

            6> Get rid of corporate subsidies. (this can be made into a populist style message but it is really a sound economic/good government issue)

          • GrizzlyAdam

            Romney would fit nicely as the RNC chair I think. Him or Newt. I don’t think Newt is a viable candidate for President. He comes with baggage that the Libs will unpack over and over again.

            Jeb Bush will never win another election. Nobody with the name Bush will win anything ever again.

          • Brandozilla

            I have taught on cults in Bible College. Your credentials?

            Here are my credentials, I have never taught at a Bible College, which is why I am infinitely more qualified to discuss this then a close minded bible nut.

          • DRP

            Recognize the GOP VP’s name? It’s clearly not a pure name recognition poll there.

            I agree that as an actual indicator of 2012 it’s useless, but it’s a pretty clear sign that people right now (were the election to be held again tomorrow) would prefer a more established conservative with economic credentials. If the economy pulls out in the next four years (because or in spite of Obama, it honestly doesn’t matter which – like how McCain suffered for proposing a strategy in Iraq that worked well enough that people stopped caring about it) their priorities are likely to shift.

  • Hermes

    “…no Ron Paul type candidate (especially Ron Paul) is ever going to make a serious dent. It’s those four slots or bust.”

    I cannot, for the life of me, understand the vitriol spewed against Ron Paul by many here at RS. The level of unrestrained hatred is more appropriate to DKOS, mydd.com, DU, etc.

    I understand very clearly that Congressman Paul has had chances to secure a large enough following to make a dent in the primaries and has failed. Although he, personally, may be a failed candidate, does that necessarily invalidate many of his beliefs?

    I don’t believe so and the support that his positions enjoy from the only seriously growing segment of the right-wing in America (the libertarian-types) makes them that much more valid. Not to mention the success of his books. The libertarian-conservative position (or even the Old Right paleocon position) is not dead, nor should it be. It is a healthy balance to the more extreme views of the neocon wing of the party.

    I have mentioned Barry Goldwater many times at RS. A great deal of President Reagan’s popularity hinged on his general reliance on Goldwater-type positions. Compare the policies of Ron Paul (or any libertarian-conservative) with those of George Bush and John McCain and judge for yourself who is the legitimate heir to Goldwater.

    Writing off libertarians or paleocons as Liberals who think they are Republicans is just foolish.

    • Brandozilla

      without occupying a chair that demands action, organization etc.

      • streiff

        you can call it that if you want to, but it simply isn’t and to call it such is either fundamentally dishonest or demonstrates a staggering lack of knowledge of Christianity and Mormonism.

        This, by the way, is not pejorative. Christianity shares the Old Testament with Judaism. We acknowledge our debt to Judaism but we don’t claim to be Jews. A similar argument applies to islam.

        • MikeLaughead

          that we are Christians because we worship Christ. But I think the important issue you are trying to bring up is that Mormonism doesn’t seem like Christianity to many Christians. I am of the opinion that Romney could never win the nomination because of this, but an African-American just became our next president, so… who knows?

          • terilyn

            I AM A MORMON. There is NOTHING about Mormonism that is anti-Christian.

            We believe that the Bible is the word of God. We are Christians.

            GO AWAY!

          • kyle8

            Newt is too old, and too settled as an educator and author to get back into politics.

          • GrizzlyAdam

            You cite an anti-Mormon book as your source for Mormon knowledge? Classy.

            I am LDS. I have been my entire life. Every week I go to church and worship the divine Son of God. I pray in His name to the Father. I rely on the influence of the Holy Spirit to guide my life.

            The old hat anti-Mormonism that you teach in your Bible class is at best uninformed fallacy, and at worst hateful smear-mongering.

            Take your ignorance elsewhere. Or keep it to yourself.

          • DRP

            Is about 300 years of existence, which is about how long it took for Christianity to become accepted as the mainstream religion in the Roman empire.

            I don’t really begrudge Romney for being a Mormon. It’s what he grew up with. But if you thought McCain had a problem with the evangelical base, Romney’s problems are going to blow his out of the water.

          • XRenown

            yes to paleocons…

            bring back a goldwater with the charisma of reagan and have them run with palin…

            perfect.

            mmm… makes me warm and fuzzy.

  • AyurMD

    A) Restore fluid capitalism and revise taxation system. Resurrect the free market after Obama has tried to kil it off.

    B) Proven Leader

    C) Extremely charismatic, I think much more than Obama will ever be.

    D) More tolerable for BASE without risking alienation from Christians and the hateful anti-christian leftists and their agitators.

    E) Fixing immgration, proven voice on issue and there are MANY immigrants that came here legally that HATE amnesty, myself including.

    F) Strong personal resume

  • davidingeorgia

    if the Republican party wants to make darn sure that I vote for some oddball 3rd or 4th party in 2012 (I surely won’t vote for the Messiah [tm] in any event) then by all means go ahead and nominate someone else from that accursed family.

    No…flippin’…way will I ever vote for one of them again…not for dog catcher, not for president, not for anything in between.

    good grief…I was depressed enough without this…gack!

  • Strelnikov

    Nobody named “Bobby” or “Huckabee” will ever enter the White House.

    The name prevents them, sorry!

    Please consider John Boehner: He would need to get some more national exposure, and start fund-raising right now, I suppose.

    That assumes he would want the job!

    And will somebody fix this website!!!???!!! “Recent Posts” has not worked in days, the “Diary” and “Comments” lists are too short and not updated properly, etc.

    • aaronbg

      Although I would caution that picking out issues to run on in 2012 could be a bad idea because we don’t know what new issues may arise that may need to trump and of the ones you brought up. If we instead focused on our principles now and defined clearly what we stand for the issue positions will basically write themselves. Not that I am saying I disagree with any of the issues you chose.

      • XRenown

        … but i still say newt would run if the people called him to it.

        • cp4three2

          with the American Solutions program. If he doesn’t run himself, I think he’ll throw his entire weight behind backing Jindal.

          I personally like the idea of Gingrich/Petraeus

          • davidingeorgia

            …I just don’t think he could have won this time around…I’m not sure he could ever win, but, imho, he’d have gotten a more lopsided whuppin’ put on him this year than McCain did.

  • Gandalf

    There’s too many unknowns. Huckabee and Palin could both be serving as senators. Romney could move to Michigan and get elected govenor/senator.

    Some candidates, Jeb Bush, Romney, Huckabee, etc., will have been out of public office for so long, that they won’t even stand a chance unless they run for something else.

    It’s rediculous to even wager at this point.

    Let’s try to squeak through 2010 without losing any more senate seats and THEN look for 2012.

    • DRP

      Nobody named “Barack Hussein Obama” would ever enter the White House too, and look how that turned out?

      • Hermes

        Balance is necessary for conservative tickets to win on the national level. A libertarian conservative or paleocon with a mainstream, populist, or neocon running mate would, I feel, be a great ticket. Such a pairing would be true “Big Tent” conservatism and would bring back the Reagan Democrats in swing states to the GOP where they rightly belong. Even his holiness, the President-Elect, could not beat such a ticket with his feckless charm and vapid rhetoric.

        • DRP

          Nobody named “Barack Hussein Obama” would ever enter the White House too, and look how that turned out?

          • Hermes

            Balance is necessary for conservative tickets to win on the national level. A libertarian conservative or paleocon with a mainstream, populist, or neocon running mate would, I feel, be a great ticket. Such a pairing would be true “Big Tent” conservatism and would bring back the Reagan Democrats in swing states to the GOP where they rightly belong. Even his holiness, the President-Elect, could not beat such a ticket with his feckless charm and vapid rhetoric.

          • Dan_McLaughlin

            I would agree with you as a theological matter, but don’t Mormons self-identify as Christians?

          • DRP

            I would have said nobody named Barack Hussein Obama would ever be elected to the White House. Look how that turned out.

  • jarrod21

    Certain things need to happen first.

    She was excellent as a VP candidate, because she would have gone to John McCain university while holding the most unimportant office ever. She would have been a lock for 2012, if she hadn’t already taken over sometime before then.

    Ted Stevens looks to hold his seat in Alaska and should he resign, it falls to Governor Palin to appoint his replacement.

    I would propose she appoint herself.

    This would give her the requisite federal government experience as well as keeping her high profile and still with being so new to Washington, have her keep her reformer/outsider cred.

    After all, the new President was only a senator for four years. Why can’t the next one?

    • davidingeorgia

      the “Bush” family name has more bad baggage attached to it in American political culture than Obama’s middle name does.

      On these two names, give me “none of the above”

  • c17wife

    other rational minded military man. My guess is this country may never again see a true military man in the WH. Why would anyone of such honor subject themselves to such a petty process after the big F-YOU the military just received?

    • PaRep

      I myself have been in a Church twice in 27 years 1 time for My Sisters Wedding & Once unfortunately for My Dad’s Funeral wake

      I consider myself a Christian, But I don’t need people telling me I am going to Hell for liking Beer or Liking Heavy Metal music or for Swearing I thought that is why Jesus Died for, For all our sins

      • davidingeorgia

        …being inside the Beltway for 4 years takes away some of the “outsider” appeal that she has going for her…I think a better bet (check out the Campaignspot over at NRO for a similar take) is for her to serve as governor and run for reelection, all the while doing more tooling about the lower 48 and the world, and boning up on all the stuff that gave her trouble this time….seems to me what we need in this party is LESS Beltway experience, not more.

        • Illinicon

          an accomplishment. If Barry ruins the country, Jindal can run fixing LA from Democratic incomptance and can do it again for America.

          • aaronbg

            n/t

          • mbauer

            I can’t think of a single highly respected libertarian icon in the party. Show me a governor who has successfully implemented “paleoconservative” the policies and remained popular, and he’s got my vote in the primaries

          • Right_Again

            Your statement is singularly idiot. Calling Romney anti-Christian because you believe Mormons are not Christians exhibits an extreme lack of logic.

            Does your being Christian make you anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-Buddhist?

            Comments such as yours and threads such as this one following your initial comment are a real disappoint to me.

  • merevaudevillian
    • kyle8

      I care about his policies and abilities.

      • Illinicon

        amongst “economy voters”. This cycle voters were eating up anything populist. Are best candidate unfortunately would have been Huckabee. Atleast we would have held on to Indiana, North Carolina, and Ohio.

  • theBlur

    Is that among all the potential candidates being thrown out, nobody is mentioning the one aspect of Reagan that helped him win over so many democrats in 1980 ~ his ability to connect with people and communicate his ideas (and conservative principles) effectively. He didn’t get the moniker The Great Communicator for nothing.

    Not only do we need to be looking for someone who can unify the different factions within our own party, we need to have a candidate that can effectively communicate them to the unwashed masses that are needed to win across the country.

  • Western

    Defeating Obama in 2012 may be daunting.

    Unless he is completely overrun by the extreme Left-wing of the democratic party, Obama has a fair chance to get re-elected.

    With that being said, 2010 should be the focus for conservatives.

    But, if Obama pulls a Jimmy Carter circa 1977-79, Jindal or Palin should step up to the plate.

    Even though Palin was on the losing side in this election, her profile is unlike a Washingtonian insider.

    I watched and listend to Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC the other night attempt to discredit Palin as a future Presidential candidate based on previous Vice Presidential losers in the previous general election.

    In my opinion, I think Larry might be wrong in his assessment since all of those failed V.P. presidents and V.P. candidates were all Washingtonian insiders.

    Look back:

    1. Walter Mondale (losing with Carter in 1980) ran in 1984 and lost in the general election. But Mondale was a Washingtonian insider being a VP for 4 years and a senator for 12 years.

    2. Geraldine Ferraro also was a Washingtonian insider being a U.S. representative for 5 years before being nominated as VP in 1984. She had no chance in 1988.

    3. Dan Quayle (attempting to run in 2000) also exhibited a Washingtonian profile being a U.S. representative for 4 years and U.S. senator for 8 years and a V.P. for 4 years.

    4. Jack Kemp was a U.S. represenative for 18 years and director of HUD for 4 years. Likewise, he had no chance in 2000.

    5. Joe Lieberman as the failed V.P. in 2000 was a U.S. senator for 16 years before attempting to run in 2004.

    6. John Edwards was a U.S. Senator for 6 years before running for President in 2004 and 2008.

    The point is that Palin has potential to become a successful presidential candidate in 2012, assuming Obama pulls a Jimmy Carter.

    Since 1976 (absent Bush 41 in 1988) Populist presidential candidates win:

    1. Jimmy Carter–gov. of Georgia

    2. Reagan–gov. of California

    3. Clinton–gov. of Arkansas

    4. Bush 43–gov. of Texas

    5. Obama–believe or not was just a freakin’ Illinois state senator 4 years ago–I consider him an outsider–his message “Let’s Change Washington”.

    Palin may have lost the battle, but she can still win the war.

    • CroakerNorge

      I think if he was the only listed candidate, his percentage would be about 35%. Maybe 38%.

      • Right_Again

        n/t

        • aaronbg

          I think the problem is that many can’t separate the early doctrines of the LDS church and it’s founding from what it has become. I am a Baptist, but not a snake handler. I believe that many Mormons are indeed Christians, but I also strongly disagree with some of the doctrinal teachings of the formal LDS Church. To me as long as you acknowledge that Christ is the only son of God and that he was also God and that he died on the cross for your sins and rose from the dead and ascended to heaven and is the only path to salvation, then you are a Christian. If you don’t believe those things, then you are not. Would you be in agreement?

  • terilyn

    on getting real conservatives to run in 2010. This will provide a path to a run for the WH.

    • merevaudevillian

      I am genuinely curious why she’s called a “populist,” except that it’s a convenient smear Beltway conservatives like to use for rural Evangelicals.

      • tir

        I think I know what I believe better than you do. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There is a reason that the name Jesus Christ is in the name of our church. It is because we believe in Him as our Saviour and Redeemer, as the Son of God. We pray to God in His name, and we believe that our salvation comes through Him. I try to live my life according to His teachings. I worship Him.

        Don’t try to tell me that you know better than I do, whether or not I am Christian. I will claim that title. In fact I would die for it, and for Him.

        • Mason617

          Unlike Thompson, Mitt has enough name recognition to be the spokesman for the party in the same way Dean is for the DNC.

          I say he is our Dean, but without the crazy.

          • DRP

            But I do think it might be a bit premature to write him off completely. With that said, though, brand Bush is going to be a hard one to sell in four years… much less eight, or possibly even twelve.

          • kyle8

            those kind of people usually come along only once in a lifetime.

          • Mason617

            is well on his way.

  • zsmvf6

    Assuming Obama’s ‘hope and change’ message wears thin in 2012.

    • Illinicon

      were re-elected was in 1824 when James Monroe was re-elected. That was because the Federalist fell apart after Hamilton’s death, and the Country had basically one party rule from 1804-1828 as the Democratic-Republicans had very large majorties in Congress during their 24 years in power.

      • streiff

        but I don’t know why anyone would take me seriously.

        • kyle8

          just on principle. We don’t need any dynasties in the United States.

  • KeepOhioRed

    Kasich was a very popular Congressman in Ohio for 18 years until he retired to enter the private sector.

    He has become familiar to many on Fox News, including filling in for O’Reilly.

    There is huge talk of him running for Ohio governor in 2010. If he does, he will probably win. His district was in the Columbus area, so he is a household name there and could even pull off winning Franklin County.

    He is incredibly charismatic and a true conservative man of impeccable character. He is very outspoken on the need for reform within the GOP.

    If he were governor, his dedication to Ohio may prevent him from not fulfilling his term. However, if Obama wins a 2nd term, he would be an excellent candidate for 2016.

    http://www.johnkasich.com/aboutjohn.html

    Just a thought. Plus he looks like Harrison Ford. :-)

    • RedWhite_and_Truth

      The RNC turns its lonely eyes to you.

      Seriously, If Fred can run rings around the Drive-bys and the Chris Matthews, and raise the cash and profile like Haley did in the 1990s, then I would recommend the job for him. Fred can be inspiring when he wants to be (RNC convention).

      • youthgrunt

        But Romney always had a real problem catching onto the electorate. Regardless of how good he would do, he doesn’t sell very well to the populace.

        • ZootSuit

          I agree that with more GOP Senators on the line in 2010, it will be difficult to make any gains but considering state races that year, I think we can do okay.

          And you also add an interesting name to the mix in Jeb Bush. Personally, I think the Bush name is dead right now (and for good reason, IMHO) but if Obama screws up everything so badly that people begin to reminisce about the Bush years, then I think Jeb has a very good shot.

          Indeed, if his last name were not Bush, I would make him my front-runner.

          However, the unfortunate truth of the matter is that I think the “Bush” name is so bad (and not just among liberals and moderates but also among conservatives such as myself) that the only thing catastrophic enough to make a significant plurality of voters remember hos Presidency fondly would be another terrorist attack on our soil. And as much as I am not looking forward to Obama’s Presidency, I do not wish that.

          • SirRobert

            to run for Governor. Lansing needs your leadership.

            Move back to your home town roots of Pontiac and lead the people out the the one state economic (and emotional) depression that the rest of the nation is heading to if the US isn’t careful.

            Your leading by example can help pull the state back up. You can speak the language there since your were raised there and understand the people.

            It is familiar territory and the rest of the nation can see how to do it.

            Get there by November 14th, get your license from the DNR, head up north early on the 15th, bag a 12 pointer, hang it on the wall, and show it off to Palin when she comes back to campaign for 2012. Time to show how to bag a state.

          • Right_Again

            : )

          • youthgrunt

            that events overcome the message. For instance, the nature of the economy discussion changed drastically in the last six weeks of this election. If you had picked, say, National Security/Finishing the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and then the stock market tanks then you have a candidate who cannot deal with the new issue. (Just as a for instance here).

            The advantage of principles is that if you have a principled candidate, then they will be able to shift issues and come up with an answer that will please the supporters.

          • Hoover

            and anyone else outside of Washington. How many conservatives see washington as a good thing. Obama received a similar total as bush in ’04 but mccain was 7m short of bush.

            Sarah Palin needs to stay in AK and lead that state as well as she has. In ’12 we should not go to the washington well. Look at what happened with the last two long time washington insiders, Dole and McCain. And if you go back to ford, throw him in there too.

            We have plenty work to do to rebuild the foundation but the drive is there and the talent and ideas are there. The electorate did not accept the dem’s policies, they simply said the current R’s in DC are no what they want.

            Look at how unhappy we are with them, the massive spending, the corruption, the ineptitude at times, etc.

          • kllyhlls

            Those with true conservative beliefs normally have no trouble relaying them to the public.

            Why don’t I hear Jim DeMint’s name ever?

            K

          • ZootSuit

            Remember, this is the guy who once said he was going to “be a better protector of gay rights” than Ted Kennedy and was “not a Reagan supporter in the 1980′s.” And unless you think this was just election rhetoric to get him elected in the very liberal state of Massachusetts (which itself would be bad enough), he also gave the state “Romney-Care” during his tenure.

            I think Mitt Romney is extremely competent and have said so in the primaries but he is first going to need to win and run something as a conservative before he will get my support.

  • Kayla

    Hindsight is 20/20, but Huck was probably the only Repub who could’ve held on to the Bush states. He definitely would have won VA, NC & ID that’s for sure.

    • Mcon

      That Redstate contributors are debating the classifying of Mormons as “Anti-Christians,” helps explain why bigotry of this nature is tolerated. It helps explain one reason why Redstate has a special intolerance for Romney. And this comes after the LDS church served as the wipping boy of the Far left homosexual agenda.

      • kyle8

        but what we need right now is a handful of good issues we can all get behind. This is not brain surgery. This is the way people have won elections since forever.

        It works in local and national elections, pick a few things that resonate with voters and makes you different from the competition. Then run with it. You of course have to have positions on other issues, you just don’t push those.

        • Mcon

          n/t

          • SeanH90050

            I was looking at McCain’s possible veep picks as a distraction from the Dem convention, I narrowed my list down to Palin and Kasich. He’d be an interesting budget hawk pick, but he’s going to have a major name recognition problem unless he gets out there as Ohio Governor (Heartland and fill in on Fox News isn’t enough). Even as such, a Veep position for him in 2012 makes more sense.

            Personally, I think this speculation is natural, and is of course premature. But I think all of the 2008 candidates need to be tossed. Dare I say that includes Palin. I love her, if I could live in Alaska I’d work for her in a heartbeat. But I don’t think she’s the torchbearer. I’m biased by the poor way she was used by the McCain campaign, and the image that creates in the minds of ill-informed voters. I think it may be too tough for her to shake to win nationally.

            As for the others, if Romney or Huckabee were so great, they’d have been the nominee this year. No more next in line garbage. Both men can serve well in other positions.

            Look for Jindal, Sanford, or Crist to get out early. But lets work on 2010 now, and forming a 2nd “contract With America” in response to the hard left turn our government is about to (or maybe already started to) take.

  • msteinkrau

    In the scenario where Obama actually is a fairly popular president in 3 years, then the main I want running against him is Gingrich.

    Newt probably won’t win, but what Newt does is make it an election about ideas and not about just who looks prettiest on TV.

    if it is an election about ideas, then at least it really gives the party the chance to start winning back Senate and Congressional seats, and start framing the debate for 2012.

    Really in the end I wish Newt was the candidate this year, if he had been yes he might have lost as badly, but the GOP wouldn’t have looked so berift of ideas that we lost good senators like Sununu. Good grief we could still lose minnessotta to a stark raving lunatic, and our candidate is just an outstanding individualy who really should have been a guy re-elected by 25% out there.

    If Obama is unpopular and looks very vulnerable, then I am not sure Newt is the best guy to go with in that situation.

  • pwest

    Mike Huckabee will have a great deal to say about 12 as well as Sarah Palin, and Romney! Romeny is making the circts right now, paying his dues and making sure everyone knows he learned his lessons about abortion and his other liberal positions.

    Huck has his pack, and Sarah will finish her first term and be relected, contiuing to gather more executive experience.

    I hope Fred Thompson stays active; he is the one voice of all aspects of Conservatism. If he is going to do something, he needs to start now, so that no one will question if he has fire in his belly or not!

    • Dan_McLaughlin

      She’ll be a drag on the ticket if she does. Look, she got a lot of grief for being a lightweight. I think it’s unfair, but it’s an impossible charge to beat back when running as the #2. People will give her a second hearing but only if she stands on her own long enough to show off some serious policy chops.

  • Hammer2008

    Hey, if President-elect Obama can arise in four years from voting present on designer license plates in the Illinois legislature, what’s to say these newly elected congressmen don’t stand a chance?

    All were gains taken from the Dem column or held in open races:

    TX – Pete Olson

    KS – Lynn Jenkins

    NY – Chris Lee

    FL – Tom Rooney

    LA – Dr. Bill Cassidy

    p.s.
    Michael Steele for RNC Chair!

    • Dan_McLaughlin

      I agree that, aside from the various anti-war lefties who pretended to like Paul, he did have some followers we’d like to appeal to. But I don’t see them as a large enough group to form any candidate’s base. At best we can have a nominee who has something to offer them.

      • mbauer

        While we are at it, what are the chances of strong support for a rolling primary system before 2012? I mean, it’s one thing to be on the west coast during the general election and have to vote knowing the likely outcome of the election may already be determined.

        It’s another thing when you are in a late state every year and the nominee is already chosen for you by the time you get to vote.

        • tempest

          I have been reading and hearing that they have a runoff election 90 days after the incumbent is removed or resigns.

  • Scope

    No moderates thank you. Isn’t that why we just lost? Heard all R Senate and Cobgress members who lost yesterday were also moderates. The conservatives held on. Lindsey Graham needs to go.

    Jeb Bush- YIKES! Never a Bush agin for me. Ever.

    Huckabee- No Pastor in Chief need apply just to get the Evangelicals. Religion should never be a litmus test, unless it is a radical religion that preaches hate. He also supported amnesty.

    Mitt Romney- Will never stand a chance, unfortunately. You all have disected his Mormonism above thoroughly. I find it interesting that a Mormon is unelectable, yet we just elected what I really believe to be a closet antisemite- Muslim. I think he should have a place in Government somewhere as he is a brilliant businessman. Didn’t like his Mass. Universal Health Care which is failing badly.

    David Petraeus- He already said he wants no position in elected Government. He said he is very happy serving his country in what he is doing right now. We need him where he is. Another brilliant mind and hero of mine. No willing suspension of disbelief needed.

    Ron Paul types- No way, no how, never. I thought he was very very good on the economic situation, but all of his other isolationist views gave me the creeps, in addition to many of his followers buying into all those crazy conspiracy theories. His radical supporters were truly alot worse than him.

    Bobby Jindal- I see a very bright future ahead for Jindal. Jindal expressed his desire to do what he was elected to do in LA. His actions were very honorable and admirable during this years hurricane there, actually he was brilliant. The more good he does for a corrupt and destroyed LA the better for him. Absolutely up and coming strong. Maybe my first pick. And he is also a minority.

    Sarah Palin- Don’t know if I like her or Jindal more. She connects with all of the people like me. She will have the challenge to go back to Alaska, gain back her high ratings that the Obama people tried to destroy. She may not be able to give checks back to all Alaskans because Oil prices are down, but they will go back up very shortly. She’s a fast study, she has learned so very much from this campaign cycle, she will come back as strong and as smart as any, including foreign policy. It is the Obama team that feared her that trashed her into the gutter. She has truly been vetted. There is nothing else to find out about her. The R party elites that spoke badly about her were not conservatives anyway. As Rush said, don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out and don’t come back. She is a strong force to be reckoned with. She is a pitbull.

    Aaron Gardner- I loved your post and idea. Let’s define our principles and then judge the candidates by them. Also, no one knows what the issues will be in 4 years. But, we do know the founders principles.

    I was a Fred Thompson supporter and would love to see him as the head of the RNC. Did we have an RNC head this year?

    Looking ahead now is not a mistake. Obama started his campaign in 2004 at the Democrat Convention. We need that much time to get the message out better than his ACORN associates and community organizers did for him.

    Work with your children now now now. We must defeat the liberal education they are getting in school and the Universities. Remember it was the uninformed young that won this election.

    • ebfletch

      Who ever the choice is, they HAVE to be conservative. We do not need any more white flag moderate Republicans like the people of the gang of 14. By white flag I mean those that give up the fight before it even gets started.
      We need a person that is not afraid to speak their mind and stick to their beliefs instead of a person that “reaches across the isle. I say work on getting our own people elected so there will be no isle to cross. When a political party is in control they are to govern that way, not ok things with the minority party first.

      • DRP

        Only someone who is not a Mormon, and who may have read a book about them or something, will know about Mormons. Actually asking Mormons would just be silly.

        • Neil_Stevens

          That’s an unfair lie.

          • Mcon

            This naked bigotry is tolerated at Redstate. Religious bigotry has always been more acceptable than other forms of bigotry.

          • kyle8

            people, like Hobbits. Really, we didn’t have any in rural Louisiana.

          • bs

            …has nothing to do with bigotry. It has to do with theology, which is far more of an objective discussion. There is plenty of room for debate on that account without it being considered “bigotry”.

          • kyle8

            we are calling it out.

  • mscout99

    Why is Mike Pence’s name not coming up? Aside from Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindall, I would love to see Mike Pence’s name on the ballot one day for either President or VP.
    Personally, I think he should be the House Republican leader. I have no issue with Boehner, but Pence embodies conservatism in every way. If he’s not going to be the Presidential nominee, he should at least be on the TV and the talk shows to get the base rallied back.
    Overlooking this guy is a mistake. He needs to be helping to lead our revival.

    • Neil_Stevens

      I’m a site admin and I’m not tolerating it.

      • dwarfmama

        but we need to be working them in Congress right now. If we want our candidates to have a credible platform in 2010 and 2012, we need to have a track record.

        Show me your principles by the work you do on the issues day by day.

        • Neil_Stevens

          But I think that type of voter is being attracted to Jindal lately.

          • Neil_Stevens

            Who did Ron Paul endorse for President again?

          • Brad_Smith

            New Mexico, 1994-2002.

          • merevaudevillian

            House reps make bad candidates. Let him run for governor in 2012, then come back in 2016.

  • DreamRedUSA

    and Palin passes (which she will) I think he will be the winner of our nod. I believe I remember someone saying his wanted to wait until his children grew older before running for the big chair. Maybe he should consider a run for the Senate against Bayh in 10, gain some heavy hitter credentials in the Senate and run for the big chair when it is open in 16.

    • E_Pluribus_Unum

      I don’t know if it’s dyslexia, reading comprehension, or just IQ issues, but if you look closely, our resident space alien was mentioned and rejected out of hand.

      • Mcon

        But the tone and content of your response/condemnation doesn’t quite match up with the responses of other contributors in this thread. You aren’t the only one in the thread.

        • E_Pluribus_Unum

          that being ‘moderate’ and ‘establishment’. Which sums up the party’s whole problem to begin with.

          • rstreu

            totally lacks name recognition…

          • XRenown

            you forgot this election just broke conventions…

            she can run again as VP as long as the candidate shines as bright as she does and is just as conservative if not more so and is confident to let her be her without restraint.

            the lady is a gem… she didn’t fail us… the cream rises to the top… but in due course.

  • dskinner11

    Every nominee we have had in modern politics was the establishment guy (even after the previous establishment guy lost for being perceived as too moderate). Everyone was either the primary runner-up, a sitting VP or President, or a previous VP (not VP nominee). The only real exception is Bush in 2000 who by virtue of his father’s connections became the establishment.

    McCain ran before and lost.
    GWB got his dad’s infrastructure.
    Dole ran before and was a VP candidate.
    Bush ran before and was sitting VP.
    Reagan ran before.
    Ford was sitting President.
    Nixon was VP before.
    Eisenhower was the establishment guy by virtue of his leadership in WW2.

    I don’t know why people keep acting like Romney had his chance and won’t win the 2nd go around either. By that same logic, Reagan, Bush, Dole and McCain had their chance and wouldn’t have been able to win the nomination on their second go around.

    If Romney navigates things successfully and is able to become the establishment candidate, he will win the nomination.

    Also Huckabee will crush Palin in Iowa if he runs. She has no organization, no fundraising and no establishment backing and isn’t likely to inherit any of McCain’s given how she went off on her own towards the end. The criticism of her from within the party is only going to increase (many people bit their tongues for the sake of the ticket and now will speak up).

    • JustLeaveMeAlone

      Sarah has plenty of time to let us see her and her own ideas. She’s already proven she can chant the team slogans. She practically wore out the name “John McCain”. Now, let’s hear her tell us a whole lot more about Sarah Palin.

      She needs her own platform, issues, policies, and ideas out there, over and over. She has star quality, the “it” factor. She can stay on the national stage with the right mix of speaking engagements, PR, and talk shows.

      As for any problems with her VP run this time, there’s a simple solution. She can throw McCain under the bus. But better yet, she can rise above that (as I believe she will), own the issue, and put it behind her.

      Lord knows she’s been vetted! There isn’t a dust bunny under her bed the MSM and the Obots haven’t had under an electron microscope. She faced those issues head-on. We know her shoe size and her favorite food. We’ve seen her medical records.

      2012, 2016, 2020 — whenever she’s ready to run, I’m ready to support her and work for that goal.

      • Hermes

        We need another paleocon leader to come forward into the national spotlight. Pat Buchanan, God Bless Him, is over the hill at this point and largely ignored by the mainstream GOP’ers.

        The problem with appealing to paleocons is the inherent bitterness felt by many of them regarding what many consider to have been a bodily ejection from the GOP in 1996 when Dole essentially expelled Buchanan and his followers from the party in favor of Washington “moderates.” This rejection has lingered over the past dozen years or so and very few Republican leaders have even considered extending an olive branch to the Old Right. Maybe it’s time a mainstream conservative (hello, Bobby Jindal, Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson) steps up and takes advantage of this neglected segment of the American right.

        • kyle8

          If indeed they have anything to offer us.

          How many of them are there? what would they demand from us?

          • finaljeopardy

            Mitt Romney was pro-choice, the Governor of Taxachusetts, and he ran a bad campaign. His former supporters were the “McCain sources” who trash-talked this ticket with the pathetic hope he could win in 2012. He will lose then, too. No more “Dem-Lites.”

          • Hermes

            On the other hand, I think the most energized and growing segment of the Right in America today is the libertarian-leaning conservative. This is the strange new creature known as the “South Park Conservative.” While we may not agree with him on all issues (he is, after all, not a dogmatic traditionalist), we at least speak the same language.

            I’m not suggesting we try to build a campaign platform that would send warm, tingly feelings down the legs of the Reason magazine staff, but we should at least stress the common ground:

            1. Absolute opposition to new taxes
            2. Absolute opposition to government waste
            3. Staunch, go to the mattresses, leadership on Bill of Rights issues (and believe me, the Dems will attack the First and Second Amendments relentlessly over the next few years).

            These things would definitely tend to bring the big L and small L types back into the GOP Big Tent.

          • Neil_Stevens

            If you have a problem with a contributor’s religious views, this isn’t the place to whine about that, though.

            Use the contact form if you must vent about it. But don’t press it further in the comments.

          • finaljeopardy

            I would have said a Black Muslim would never be elected President, but the media sold him well. Americans were encouraged to take a risk and vote for someone different and regain their standing in the world. They turned out to be intellectually lazy suck-ups, and they’ll get what they deserve.

          • eburke

            John Boehner whose uninspired, feckless leadership as the House Minority Leader contributed mightily to getting wiped out two elections in a row?

            The same John Boehner who in his appeal letter to the GOP House members couldn’t even bring himself to use the word ‘conservative’.

            The same John Boehner who would be portrayed with some justification as a walking embodiment of the old guard of GOP politics as usual.

            You mean that John Boehner? Or is there another John Boehner that I’m not aware of?

          • finaljeopardy

            Jindal was being talked up this year as an appeal to anyone dazzled by Obama that we have charismatic, young, ethnic candidates, too, that we’re not just the party of old white men. I don’t think this will be an issue in 2012, and I think Jindal’s age, if Obama screws up, will be used against him.

            Sarah Palin earned the respect of some of the biggest hard left blowhards around, and I think in four years, she will be a strong candidate, if she plays her cards right. I think if she ran with a national security type, someone with foreign policy creds, it would be a good ticket.

            I think energy will be a big issue in four years, because all these promises Obama has made about new green jobs, and everything will run on wind and sunshine, and glittering ponies will rain from the skies in pure bunk. We might even be in a new war, but oil will go back up again.

          • antisocial

            In 2011 Bobby Jindal will be into his second term as governer. He will have 5 years backing him as governer. Sounds skewed but I don’t think it is. Also we should make sure Gov. Palin is there. She will be fine by that time in terms of knowledge and perspective. Of course she is great for conservative base. Additionally it is time conservative women should be encouraged.

            I have a strong preference for Gov. Mike Huckabee but he has done himself no good by becoming a commentator. He is shifting his stances towards center/left.

          • finaljeopardy

            What are his policies and abilities? Mitt Romney is seen as a flip flopper, just like McCain was, and he was a one-term Governor of a liberal state. I agree with another comment that he should run as Governor of Michigan and prove he can turn around an economy. The Dem crooks infest that state, and it would be good to have Romney there.

          • finaljeopardy

            My mother used to have Mormons over to the house when I was in high school. She ended up joining the Jehovah’s Witnesses. But the Mormon faith isn’t a Christian denomination, and I’m not knocking it.

            Mormonism is not Christian because it denies some of the essential doctrines of Christianity, including: 1) the deity of Christ, 2) salvation by grace, and 3) the bodily resurrection of Christ. Furthermore, Mormon doctrine contradicts the Christian teaching of monotheism and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.

          • mbauer

            and combine it with ideas that can excite people.

            The fair tax for starters, is something that I think could be a political winner if we worked for it.
            Maybe individual social conservative issues aren’t political winners, but you can excite a group by fighting for liberty’s as a whole.

            I’d also be willing to bet, if you campaigned around the idea of clearing the national deficit as a primary goal, you might find yourself the easiest way to get the majority of the electorate behind you.

          • finaljeopardy

            She would be the best “I told you so” candidate we could pick, because of her VP role. She just has to make nicey nice with the Dems in her own state who are mad at her for drop-kicking Obama. Some charitable organization involving another country – I am sure Laura Bush or Cindy McCain could give her some people to look up. She should serve another term as Governor and make the rounds in the mean time.

          • finaljeopardy

            He was wonderful at the convention, and he worked harder for McCain than he did while he was running himself. I absolutely love him and his wife, who did such a great job with this campaign, as well.

          • finaljeopardy

            Obama won as an economic populist this time. Sarah Palin comes across as an every man/woman regular, everyday American. It was the Oprah endorsement, the Kennedy myth and the overuse of the word “folks” that identifies Obama as a candidate who ran as a populist. None of us bought it, but the old hippie boomers and welfare trash did. Populism just means having broad appeal.

          • finaljeopardy

            +5

  • ronalddaniels

    I say Newt. There are those who say he is too old, or that he is no longer relevant, or that he is too polarizing…

    Well, Newt isn’t in bad health. He doesn’t look that old. You guys should see some of his campaigns in Georgia, the guy has always been a machine.

    As far as him being an educator and author, bull. American Solutions. The guy is all over FoxNews and Talk Radio. He’s been going on book tours like crazy, he has the ability to waltz up to the first primary states and clean house. You know what it takes to make him completely relevant? A new contract with America, remember how well that worked for us? This country is about to head off into dark times and people are expecting change – but we know the Democrats won’t give them change. Let Newt give them hope.

    As far as him being polarizing, By God – wait till you have four years of Barry and tell me we don’t need a polarizing figure. He can duck the attacks about him processing the Clinton impeachment by saddling the Obama tactic. Newt can easily define himself, and he’s genuinely smart enough to pull it off.

  • Joe_Cor

    But many conservative pundits haven’t learned their Bush lesson yet. Rush, Sean and half the staff at NRO still can’t see where Bushes are responsible at all for what’s befallen us. Bush III may be lurking out there.

    • Swamp_Yankee

      Are you stupid. The lies about Romney have permeated so deepely that people believe crap like this.

      He saved Mass. I live here.

      • Hermes

        Staunch, anti-communist fighters from back in the day still carry weight in paleo circles. This would be guys like Thomas Fleming and Pat Buchanan, although both are over the hill at this point.

        Former Reagan appointee Paul Craig Roberts is usually spot on regarding economics, although he is a crackpot on other issues.

        Clyde Wilson is one of the funniest, most cranky and enjoyable paleocon writers out there. If you can get past his Southern partisan outlook, his frequent takedowns of the Left are worth the read.

        Thomas Woods and Richard John Neuhaus are paleos or at least have their roots in the paleocon wing of the party.

        Serge Trefkovic and Scott Richert are both solid paleocon bloggers/authors, although Dr. Trefkovic has a definite pro-Russia bias.

        Congressmen Jimmy Duncan and Walter Jones are paleocons or at least paleo-leaning.

        So there are some decent minds out in paleocon country. The issues that they would want to see some real guarantees from the mainstream GOP on would be: immigration and border security, the deficit and budget, and a legitimate fight against the socialist/collectivist tendencies of the incoming Dem government (not just platitudes). In other words, the same things most of us want!

        • Strelnikov

          …Congressman Boehner’s Diary entry here on RedState on Nov. 5th.

          • eburke

            In his letter to the House GOP he used the latest buzzword of ‘reform’ ad nauseum and never used the words ‘conservative’ or ‘principles’ once. I, personally, am tired of conservative leaders being seemingly afraid of the brand. You can’t fight for it if you’re not willing to call it what it is.

            Additionally, his presentation of his plan of action was presented in a didactical, professorial manner which is the same manner in which Boehner speaks. Unfortunately we live in an American Idol society where delivery trumps substance (cf. our new President). Boehner’s prose is no more inspiring than his speaking style.

            Second, at some point there needs to be accountability. Tom Cole, Roy Blunt, and John Boehner and John Ensign led a team that just got its butt kicked 2 cycles in a row. What was that definition of insainity again?

            Third, if we’re going to rebuild our brand in the eyes of the public, how do we do that when they hear in the media that we’ve elected the same old leaders. ‘Change’ vs ‘status quo’ is what that sounds like. Even if I believed these guys were the GOP version of David Axelrod, from a sheer PR standpoint they need to go so we can have a tangible, highly visible statement that the GOP is headed in a new direction. Can’t do that with the same old leaders.

          • eburke

            I’m not sure I could count the number of times I’ve heard Sean and especially Rush lay into Bush for the whole ‘New Tone’ meme. Rush’s whole “I’m done carrying water for these guys” just before and after the ’06 elections was just a rant on how Bus has damaged the Republican brand by his utter refusal to engage the libs in the arena of ideas, not to mention self-defense.

          • bs

            in “First Things” this month:

            Read it here.

            Contains 2 points of view:
            Bruce D. Porter, a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

            Gerald R. McDermott, Jordan-Trexler Professor or Religion at Roanoke College and author, with Robert Millet, of Claiming Christ: A Mormon-Evangelical Debate.

          • kingsley

            Not isolationism.

            You know, that little ol’ thing that Reagan ran on originally. Or remember other successful Republican candidates, maybe even recent ones… saying something like, “no nation building” and no expensive foreign entanglements?

            You want a conservative but you say “no” to the most conservative person on the list (at least fiscally). Impressive.

  • kingsley

    I mean, he’s like the specter of true fiscal conservatism in the party, a reminder of what Reagan ran on in 1980 when he was so successful. A link back to Goldwater and the policies of a limited, fiscally responsible government.

    He also was the most successful fund-raiser in the primaries, considering he wasn’t using much of his own money and his campaign was largely propelled by the people and not the GOP, which actively tried to block him (and spent time and money to try and take his seat — also done here on RedState).

    If the original post is accurate by the time the next election comes around, I have no problem guaranteeing another Democratic victory. Feel free to bookmark it if you so choose. It will be true because the GOP will have truly learned nothing.

    • NoKoolAidForMe

      He’d kill Biden in a debate. I’d put him on the ticket just to be able to watch that.

      • Neil_Stevens

        They weren’t palling around with psychotics.

        • SeriousLaff

          He would be great but was destroyed, like Dan Quayle, by the media and will never recover in the eyes of too many voters. Palin almost was as well. If she gets reelected as Gov or after this term goes on to the Senate for a few years she will be fine. 2012 might be too early.

          • MellowFellow

            Mormons believe in 1) the deity of Christ 2) salvation by grace and 3) the literal physical resurrection of Christ.

            I don’t know if maybe you have mistaken Mormons for another denomination.

            It is true they do not believe in sola scriptura, if that’s what you mean by undermining the authority of the Bible. But that’s hardly the litmus test usually applied to determine one’s Christianity, as Catholics would not qualify.

  • NoKoolAidForMe

    Very good points. It’s productive talking about this beforehand. In fact, we probably should have been talking this way months ago. The problem, as I see it, was that we were looking too much to the candidate that couldn’t lose that we forgot to look for the candidate who could win. John McCain was the wrong candidate. He’s the Joe Leiberman of our party – decent reputation on both sides, but unelectable as president. I believe that this election was winnable against Obama. We just did not give them a candidate that made people want to vote for. A big part of the problem with Palin was that she did not belong on the ticket with McCain. This fact will become more and more apparent as time goes by.

    Romney, Huckabee, and even Jindal and Newt! Damn, it makes me realize that we could have had a much better candidate than McCain. He was the worst candidate to put up there as the economy tanked. If the war was still number one on people’s minds, then McCain might have won. Same goes for Guiliani.

    Romney does not get much credit here, but I feel that he would have taken on this financial disaster head on and would never have bungled it McCain-style.

    A lesson has to be learned here. Next time, in 2012, let’s focus on the primaries just as if they were the election. Let’s pick the right guy. In 2008, we took the second coming of Bob Dole.

    • Joe_Cor

      But it seems that attitude was very short-lived. Quite soon Rush was back to lavishing President Bush with praise. Most recently Rush was touting Bush as “Batman,” the guy who kills bad guys and doesn’t get any credit for it. He talked about Bush’s indifference to image as if there’s some nobility associated with it, rather than as the height of irresponsibility in the leader of a political movement.

      Also, during immigration, Rush tried to pretend that somehow, President Bush wasn’t involved in the whole fiasco. McCain and other Republicans were rightly excoriated for their efforts, but somehow, President Bush, even as he was insulting his own base, didn’t come in for any criticism from Rush.

      • mom2oneson

        nt

        • mom2oneson

          nt

          • NoKoolAidForMe

            1 – Stay on as Governor. Hopping to the Senate in order to run for the presidency as some have suggested would be a cheap political stunt. Besides, governors do fine in presidential elections.

            2 – Stay relavant. Write a Op-Ed column every now and then, and give press interviews. In short, be accessible and on top of the issues.

            3 – Write a book. Start off as an autobiography, and end with your own political manifesto. Expose the media bias for what it was. Defend yourself. Compose a message for the future.

          • Rod_Patrick

            We try to mix politics with our own “religious doctrinal structure”.

            A. “Fundamental policies” in political area is normally decided by considering religious principles. That’s plainly accepted even by the founding Fathers. See the Declaration of Independence.

            Example:

            • Stealing and Murder being punishable acts are primarily based on our religious principles.
              • Enabling the poor to work for a living is a good political policy and is based on religious mantra. Both Jewish (Book of Ruth) and Christian (Paulinian he who doesn’t work must not eat).
                *
            • Protecting the unborn and prevention of abortion is the way to go. This political platform is also grounded on our religious beliefs in general.
            • Fight against race discrimination is very republican and conservative and is a good policy. This is also guided by religious principle that God of all men.

            Are they really religious in context? You may say so. But the examples above indicate that they are really “natural laws” that also reflect our religious beliefs.

            On the other hand, mixing up the structure and the actual doctrinal aspects of one’s religion in politics is wrong.

            Example:

            • Holy War against moslem is based on doctrinal structure and should not play any part in political governance. St. Paul is clear on this that battle is not “physical” but “spiritual”. The Pope John Paul II has even offered an apology to the muslims on this issue despite the Catholic doctrine of “Papal infallibility” as a vicar of Christ.
              • Christians marginalizing the Jews “for not accepting Christ” is politically wrong.
              • Black liberation theology using christianity and religion to address the cultural and political problems is also wrong.
              • Feeding the poor just for the purpose of being religiously “unselfish” reason of is wrong. Using it on a political ground is wrong (reminds me of Obama).
                *

            While they may be hinged on religious beliefs, the above examples are against “natural laws”.

            Why I am mentioning above?

            This is to distinguish the reason why “conservatives” are enamored to JeudoChristian religious beliefs. These general beliefs are the commonality that we advocate insider the circle of conservatism.

            Mormonism and Evangelicals both agree on the above contexts because many of their religious doctrinal structure agree with naturalism. Romney’s being a believer of mormon’s doctrinal structure has nothing to do with conservatism. Same goes for Bush’s Born Again Christian and Sarah Palin’s Pentecostalism.

            In summary, it’s not really religion that defines “conservatism”. Conservatism is based on the tenets of “natural laws”, not religion. In this respect, we are one with the libertarians.

            The issue of “Southern Christian Conservatives” is the biggest lie being propagated by the MSM against Republican Party the principles of which has embraced “conservatism” (at least in theory).

            We are not really the party of warmongers and war freaks. It’s really the Democratic Party which originally embraced the policy that “America is the protector of the universe”. This issue is what separates Republican party from modern libertarians.

            In fact, we can harmonize conservatism with Islam, only when the muslims can give up their concept of “Jihadism” (a doctrinal structure). Palin statement that muslims are welcome to the party is a good starting point in starting the new dawn for conservatism.

            I just do not know how to welcome the GLBT in our party. I have an office mate who is a gay member of Rainbow Push but he voted for McCain just because of Sarah Palin. He’s so sad when I got a chance to chat with him this morning. Why is that, I don’t really know. But we must also stop all these allegations that we, conservatives, are really “bigots”. We must make a clear stand on this.

            I agree that it is not yet the end of Republican Party and Conservatism as some in the MSM are saying. Why? There are 56 or 57 millions of us who voted for McCain/Palin ticket. Assuming 40 million of them are truly conservative, we can start promoting conservatism to the next 16 million Americans who voted for Republican Party. And we can make grassroot efforts to teach conservatism… the reason why America has become the most powerful nation in the World, economically and militarily.

            PS: Red China has its own brand of conservatism too. It’s so happened that they practice Socialism and not Republicanism (which is totally different from republicans).

          • JSobieski

            nt

          • zeebeach

            Lets not fall immediately into the trap of allowing the media to tell us what we think and who our ideal candidate is. That’s part of the reason we ended up with John McCain in 2008. Independent thinking is what’s required here. To even consider a Huckabee or Pawlenty is out of the question. We need true Conservatives. No compromising.

          • Rod_Patrick

            I laughed so hard.

            But I get your point. No one has the right to judge you, my friend, even the Bible scholars here at RS.

            On a serious note, Mormonism has nothing to do with my apprehension with Romney. It’s some of his “unconservative” viewpoints that matter to me. Same thing goes for Obama.

          • Rod_Patrick

            We should focus on conservatism not denominational rivalry.

            If we want to expand our base, we should start unification now. Focus on the issues that will unite us…NOT biblical scholastic superiority, whatever.

            Sometimes you guys are really “nuts”.

          • Rod_Patrick

            Sorry.

          • Rod_Patrick

            nt

          • Rod_Patrick

            If Obama fails the test of a Commander In Chief… the name Bush will sound bright again.

            But I guess America will never elect another Bush again.

          • Rod_Patrick

            Only one (1) Governor who appointed himself as a Senator won another election.

            Reason: MSM and the people view the same as “too greedy”.

          • The_Rebel

            is not let the media dictate in the primary who our nominee will be. We let them do that, the mind-numbed robots followed the media’s lead, and we got the candidate they wanted. We must never make this mistake again.

          • Rod_Patrick

            But Reagan never became “a traitor” to his own Party when he lost twice in the primaries. He accepted his defeat with a SMILE and support to the winner.

            That was a very classy act.

            Ron Paul will never be acceptable again to many conservatives.

            Ron’s main problem now is lack of “character”.

          • Rod_Patrick

            I like Jindal and I would be glad to go for him.

            But MSM and the Democrats still haven’t yet “vetted” Jindal. We never know what dirty jobs the MSM will throw at him. He will suffer the same fate as Sarah and we still have to see how he will react with those allegations.

            But Sarah has already proven one or two things. She can accept mudslinging very well and she can still stand on her feet with dignity despite the mud. She’s a very good communicator.

            I think that we will fully know who is best for the party by 2012, depending on the actual accomplishments of these two governors by then.

            Cantor, Sanford and De Mint will also be good to nurture as potential candidates… depending on the actual issues we will be facing in 2012.

          • Rod_Patrick

            I don’t really know but he doesn’t really look to be “one of us”. The last primaries proved that.

            He has also some unconservative beliefs.

            Please note that that has nothing to do with his being as a mormon. Any mormon conservative is welcome to me.

          • Rod_Patrick

            Ron can never recover from the “unclassy” act he made after the primaries.

            Reagan lost the primaries twice. In each case, Reagan gave his full support to the eventual winner (despite disagreements) and NEVER formed his own group that backlashed from party.

            In defiantly refusing McCain’s request for help, Ron Paul in effect turned his back to 40+ million conservatives who voted in this election. Half of these voters “cried” after the loss.

            For many of us, Ron Paul’s character has already been tarnished forever. Sorry but for me, Ron Paul is ranked No. 1 to those list of people targeted by OPERATION LEPER.

            Please note that we are looking for leader who is conservative with a strong character.

          • Rod_Patrick

            I blame Newt for the loss against Obama.

            It should have been Newt instead of McCain. Newt would have won this election.

            I don’t care about all the gossips against Newt. Obama and McCain also have skeletons in the closet.

            Personally, I find Newt’s refusal to join the primaries for fear (?) of MSM and Democrats’ personal attacks to be selfish. He valued his privacy despite the call of duty. I’ve been asking for his candidacy and all I got was a big NO.

            In that regard, I give honor to Sarah Palin. She sacrificed herself and her family in the call of duty to fight the Democrats. She might have lost this election as potential VP but she has gained the “respect” and “adulation” of many conservatives like me.

          • Rod_Patrick
            1. Palin has been attacked not just by Obama Campaign and the MSM, but also by McCain insiders.

            2. Newt’s best opportunity was this election. Newt/Palin ticket would have won the day for the Republicans. Newt, besides a good communicator, is a proven stalwart in times of financial turmoil.

            Nuff said. We must not linger too much in the past. After learning our mistakes, we need to move on. Let’s continue the war with the Anti-Americans and the socialists.

          • zsmvf6

            If Obama does a lousy job, she can come in and say ‘I can do better’. The only way for Obama to win is for the economy to improve and for him to tread the moderate Clinton path. That would make it much more difficult for the GOP to win in 2012, IMO. Granted, that would tick off his base.

            Thanks.

          • mscout99

            The only house reps that were “bad” candidates recently were Dennis Kucinich, Dick Gephardt, and Tom Tancredo.
            To me, Pence is one of those with the total package. Strong fiscal conservatism, strong pro-life and pro-family values, and was one of the House Republicans that were leading the call this past summer when Nancy Pelosi shut off the lights and cameras to go on vacation when the Republicans wanted to debate energy independence. Funny how that never got any run in the media?
            I’m not saying he would be my first choice, but Pence is one of the younger “warriors” we have out there that should be getting more face time.

          • kingsley

            You’re expecting a candidate that was mocked and shunned in the primaries, who the GOP didn’t even want at the debates and a candidate that the GOP actively tried to run out of Congress to turn around and give his undying support?

            You sir, are a hypocrite and a fool. You forget that even here at Red State there was an organized effort to get Ron Paul to lose his seat. So much for supporting conservatives and the GOP.

          • Rod_Patrick

            But I won’t stoop to your level. I was one of those who gave all the candidates a fair shot since I was not rooting for anyone during the primaries. Sadly for Ron, my family’s approval went to Fred Head (in absence of Newt).

            In fact, I somewhat understand Paul’s message about being an anti-war. I believe that conservativism is a sister to protectionism, meaning “not meddling with other nations’ affairs” (and my own version of being “anti-war”.)

            In that respect, I don’t fully support America acting like a custodian of Israel. That country must stand on its own and resolve its difference with its neighbors. I also believe that it’s not “necessarily” mean that it’s in America’s best interest to act like a World Police.

            By the above, I think I fairly go along with Ron Paul’s line of reasoning when it comes to Iraq War. Don’t get me wrong. But above all, I believe that any victory of American soldiers (my protectors) will always in the best interest of America.

            I’ve never said any “unclassy” words against Ron Paul even here at RS. But I really thought that Ron Paul was too ungentleman when he backlashed from the party after losing the primary.

            I went to his website many times praying that he would change his mind by offering a conciliatory gesture to McCain, the fair winner.

            Why? I have other conservative agenda at stake. There are also other important stakes besides the issue of war in Iraq. By openly alluding that he preferred Obama because of his own personal clashes with McCain, Ron Paul lost my respect. We needed his support but he refused to offer it.

            No! I am not a HYPOCRITE by just stating my observation that Ron did a very unclassy act in the last election. And it was a flaw in his own character indeed.

  • http://www.leadingstrategies.net Mike Friesen

    Dan -

    I overlooked this column in November but appreciate Eric listing the top 10 posts. Thank you for the insight especially breaking it into four potential categories of GOP candidates. Considering the four areas could be a good point of departure for the Republican Party to decide its approach for regrouping. I dare say the larger challenge for those of us anywhere right of center is to unify an approach before trying to tackle those rascally Democrats in the next match-up. The more we embrace timeless values, the more likely we are to prevail in future elections.

  • PaRep

    .

  • ZootSuit

    1) Mark Sanford
    2) Bobby Jindal
    3) Sarah Palin
    4) Tim Pawlenty

  • hazard

    I realize that ReState is unique in it’s loathing for Romney , but don’t attack me for the following info. Newsweek released a poll that asked registered Republicans and Republican leanners who they’d most like to see capture the 2012 nomination. These were the results

    • Mitt Romney – 35%
    • Mike Huckabee – 26%
    • Sarah Palin – 20%
    • Other – 10%
    • Don’t Know – 9%

    56% of Republicans say they care most about taxes, economic growth, and national security.
    34% of Republicans say they care most about abortion, guns, and family values

  • Neil_Stevens

    I think the public support/daydreams early on might split like this:

    Populist: Palin/Huckabee

    Traditional: Romney/Crist

    Reaganite: Jindal/Sanford/Barbour

    Defense: Petraeus/A Governor who starts talking defense

    ‘Moderate’: Pawlenty/Lingle

    Conservatives had better watch out and not get split, I think. I hope some people can talk one of our best into gearing up right after 2010 elections are done so we can get to work.

    And that’s hopefully all I have to say about 2012 before November 2010.

  • SteveLA

    (5) Pure Social Conservative

    Drawing support from folks that strongly support a strong social conservative agenda including passing a Human Life Amendment and other socially conservative points of view.

    Mike Hucakbee/Rick Santorum/ Sam Brownback. will dominate and have to fight out who is the leader in this space as they have in the election just finished.

  • PaRep

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  • Carol Tarasewicz

    I think Mitt Romney shoud be past flip flops and the mandatory health insurance he signed into law with Ted Kennedy smiling by his side. I am sure that the law kiiled Mitt. There was also the coilusion between McCain and Huckabee at one caucus, Romney and Huckabee were tied and McCain told them to give his to Huckabee,

    Huckabee is only in it for money, new Fox Show, new book. He’s committed wrorse sin, in book, speak ill of fellow Republican.

    Romney w/Palin would be best in my opinion.

  • GrizzlyAdam

    Palin was fantastic as a running mate. I am not convinced that she is ready to strike out on her own…yet. I think also that she might be damaged for at least 8 years just because she was on a losing ticket. Fair or not.

    Huckabee will not be a serious contender. He is now a pundit.

    Romney. I think based on ideas alone, Romney is the best candidate so far. He needs to work on his presentation and style. He needs to loosen up a bit, be more likable. I am not sure how he can stay relevant. Perhaps continue his PAC and get out advocating for conservative values?

    Jindal looks good for 2012. He was very good during the hurricane. He is young. And he seems to be a good conservative. But right now he is more or less unknown.

    2010 needs to be our focus. States can turn red again on a local level.

    Write your republican reps and urge them to return to good conservatism. That is our path to victory.

  • reldim

    It basically measures name recognition among Republicans. Notice that there are only 3 names even listed.

    The person who actually wins the nomination in 4 years may not even be much-known – Clinton certainly wasn’t a household name in 1988. When Obama gave his 2004 convention speech nobody was seriously thinking he’d be running in 2008.

    Sanford might be the guy in this one – with some name recognition he could give Mitt a run for his money in one of those polls. I’d bet few registered Republicans have ever heard of Sanford, and certainly don’t know anything about his positions or record in South Carolina.

    And as noted, everything hinges on exactly how unhinged the Democrats are between now and 2010 and how the GOP fares in the mid-terms. If the Democrats go off the deep end and the GOP makes serious gains in 2010 there will be a stronger field looking to make the run thinking that Obama might be vulnerable. A nuclear Iran threatening Israel (and us) changes the dynamic of the race entirely. If the economy is still sour and recovery has been stunted by all those fun new taxes and regulations that are in the pipe, that will effect who we pick because it will effect what issues are important.

    Much to be done between now and then and many people to watch. This is not a topic that needs to be dwelled upon today or even next year, but it’s nice to keep an eye on the future and identify early who the “future stars” are so we can watch them over the next 3 years.

  • Anemicscarecrow

    He is anti-Christian and that is the base of the party. Romney’s people were responsible for many of the attacks on Palin.

  • c17wife

    I’d say we run Jindal in 2012. If for some reason the Barack kool-aid is still yummy for independents, I’d say take our chances with Romney or Sanford and save Jindal for 2016.

    I’m still processing the election, but I think my end conclusion is going to be that Sarah Palin is not going to be a serious WH contender for us.

  • Dan_McLaughlin

    nt

  • Dan_McLaughlin

    with either Palin or Huck in the field there will be no room to run further right on social issues.

  • Neil_Stevens

    People will still try to draft him :-)

  • red_oakster

    This always is about Iowa and New Hampshire (thought the GOP would be well advised to get rid of the NH primary-it’s now a solid blue state and hence only a venue for mischief from croosover Democrats). Palin will soak up a lot of the evangelical support in Iowa.

    And then she and Mitt will take it across the rest of the states.

    Could someone else break through? You bet, but only if Palin chooses to pass in 2012.

  • SirGladiator

    that the term ‘populism’ is a negative, you are mistaken. Sure its a negative to the elites who ruin our Country for their own gain, but to the average joe out there its very much a positive term. It simply means that you put the People first, not the elites. It is generally associated with such things as cutting taxes for the middle class, looking out for the American worker and putting their interests ahead of multi-national corporations, standing up against illegal immigration, etc. basicly things that most of the ‘populace’ wants to happen but the elite, for their own selfish interests, dont want to happen. The elite want cheap labor from illegal immigration, the elite want to make even more money by shutting down factories in America, build them in China, and then ship them back into America duty-free to line their own pockets at the expense of good paying American jobs, they want tax cuts for themselves instead of regular Americans, etc. These are all things that benefit the elite who tend to get their way in Washington because they give the politicians huge amounts of money to vote their way, but they hurt the common man very badly, and those with the political courage to stand up to those elites are called Populists because he is willing to stand up to those elites and put the interests of the average American first, the one who doesn’t write his campaign a big check, but who does vote.

    That is what Governor Sarah Palin is, she is someone who puts the interests of her people ahead of the elites, she took on the corrupt party bosses and the big oil barons and she defeated them all, something that noone else in Alaska was willing and able to do, she weeded out the corruption and gave her people a huge 1200 dollar check because she ran such a huge surplus from vetoing all that pork that the GOP led legislature tried to pass. She’s stood up to the entrenched power of the elites in Alaska, and she will do the same in Washington. She is the Populist candidate, she is America’s candidate.

  • kyle8

    lets not get all worked up till after the next midterms.

  • mbauer

    I had the joy of voting for one of them yesterday (Virgil Goode). I still put forth the challenge to elevate one of its members to governor status and let their principles play out. The performance of a state under their principles would be the best way to revitalize the paleo wing of the party.

  • SirRobert

    Him back home, he could lead the left leaning Michigan out of their economic depression. Maybe he is wrong for POTUS position in 2012, but as governor of Michigan, he can pull Michigan electoral college numbers to the conservative candidate. A great strategy to start mapping out.