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The Case For Not Letting Up On Speaker Pelosi

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Nancy Pelosi has had a very bad stretch over the issue of what she knew, and when, about waterboarding and other “enhanced interrogation techniques.” She still seems not to have learned that it’s a bad idea to get in a public spat with people who collect secrets for a living. Her ever-shifting explanations of what she was briefed on and when, culminating in yesterday’s press conference (in which a visibly shaken Speaker repeatedly re-read her prepared statement in answer to questions by a suddenly skeptical press corps) have left her credibility in tatters and her story wholly incoherent. The latest blow came today as Leon Panetta, her former House colleague and now Obama’s CIA director, produced a memo today disputing Pelosi’s contention that the CIA lied to her: “CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing ‘the enhanced techniques that had been employed.’”

Just as bad for the Left, her flagrant hypocrisy on this issue has badly undermined their core argument for prosecuting members of the Bush Administration. Recall that the theory behind such prosecutions is that waterboarding is so obviously “torture” that no reasonable person could conclude otherwise – yet here is the leader of their lawmakers in the House declaring that she very reasonably assumed that if Bush Administration lawyers had cleared the practice, it must be legal. (Charles Krauthammer makes this point as to the moral argument). That’s an impossible circle to square, and it means the cries of “war criminal” now have to be seriously muted and nuanced if the most left-wing Speaker in memory is not to be sacrificed to a left-wing crusade.

It’s too soon to tell what sort of lasting damage will be done to Pelosi as Speaker. I’m not generally one to declare a politician dead the minute a bad story breaks. More likely, as happened to Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, it will take multiple blows to bring down Pelosi, and the impetus will have to come from the rank and file of her own caucus, which seems disinclined to toss her under the bus just yet (even if the heir apparent, her longtime rival Steny Hoyer, has been fairly unsubtly measuring the drapes in the meantime).

That said, there’s a school of thought among Republicans that because Pelosi is a polarizing figure with obvious weaknesses, we should fear pushing too hard because the Democrats will be weaker for having her around their necks next fall than if she’s gone (one hears similar sentiments about Chris Dodd, David Paterson, and Deval Patrick, among others). Let her twist in the wind, these voices say. But even aside from the legitimate interest in exposing dishonesty and hypocrisy on the part of a sitting Congressional leader, the hard calculus of political hardball says otherwise. Of course, in any debate there are arguments that work and those that don’t, and in this particular debate there are punches that may need to be pulled for legitimate national security reasons. But Republicans serious about winning political battles going forward should not ease the pressure on Speaker Pelosi out of some misguided hope that leaving her wounded is better than finishing her off.

There are two reasons for this. The first is the brutal calculus of political hardball: when you have the enemy down, you finish her off, lest she recover and be stronger, and your ammunition stale, by the time you fire again. You don’t let her get up and catch her breath and try to get her own counter-narrative out. You can’t predict the flow of events, and you can’t predict with certainty how much damage any particular charge or revelation might do, so better to use what you have when you have it, and get the most you can. This is how the Democrats took on Gingrich and DeLay and, for that matter, Bush – and the accumulation of damage eventually took its toll. There are rare exceptions to this rule: for example, Rahm Emanuel knew for months in 2006 that he had 100% damning stuff on Mark Foley, but since it was so damaging and Foley was a comparatively small fish by himself, it made sense for Rahm to keep quiet and have the story go off closer to the election. But that’s the exception, not the rule.

Second, even if – as seems more likely – this story doesn’t really have enough juice to take out Pelosi all by itself, it’s undeniably become a serious distraction. And that itself is a thing of great value right now. Quick: in the past three decades, how many times has a political party passed a major domestic policy priority through legislation more than six months after taking control of the White House or one or more Houses of Congress? I don’t know the answer either, but I’m pretty sure it’s “not many.” This is a point I have noted in regard to the Bush Administration, and it’s just as true of the Democrats: they will not have an unlimited window of opportunity in which to nationalize health care and pass a ruinous cap-and-trade program, major tax hikes, EFCA, and other significant priorities. The clock is already ticking four months into the Obama Administration, with the summer recess gradually creeping closer and a potential major battle brewing over the Supreme Court. Every day that the Speaker is tied up defending herself over an issue the Democrats thought would help them is a day that her attention, and the headlines, are pulled away from the rest of the legislative agenda. Even Republicans who would like to keep Pelosi around another year for electoral advantage have to realize the even greater priority on stopping that agenda now, for the good of the country.

The Pelosi story has mostly taken on a life of its own by now, and/or is being driven by sources in the CIA or elsewhere in the intelligence community; much of this is in any event beyond Republican control. But if Republicans get the opportunity to keep the heat on the Speaker, they should.

COMMENTS

  • Old_Crow

    to actually pay attention to what she says. She truly is an ignorant fool, and a lying one at that. Expect her to come apart at the seams, babbling nonsense and froth as she sees the end to her million dollar gravy train legislator job. Like a rabid dog, she will bite anything that is near.

    • purplemountains

      Hello testtest testt testetest

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.criterionchemical.com Chemical Sam

    you know, the part where she said that waterboarding would not be employed.

    Well, looks like Kit Bond found himself asking the same question in reverse order! Go see…

    http://thepage.time.com/video-sen-kit-bond-on-pelosis-cia-claim/

    H/T Drudge

  • DavidSage

    I think if we finish her off, the Democrats will be stronger and more unified with a new, more competent Speaker that can better lead Congressional Democrats. I want Democrat infighting, with their caucus scattered and scared. Also, the last thing we want is a boring, milquetoast Speaker of the House to replace Pelosi.

    Pelosi is extremely polarizing, she’s almost a caricature of the modern, limousine liberal Democrat. A Republican couldn’t have dreamed up a more perfect figure to be the face of the Democrat Congress. Republicans in swing districts cans effectively run against her leadership, especially in culturally conservative states.

    At the end of the day, Pelosi stepping down as Speaker right now will not effect one vote in 2010, this issue will be long forgotten. Having her front and center, however, will be a boon for Republican congressional candidates for the election in 2010.

    I think Republicans should “shoot to wound”, not shoot to kill.

    • wennejunk

      Pelosi gone or weakened, with the public paying increasing attention to the Dems will free the blue dogs to buck the party line and vote more conservatively.

      This is good for the nation

      Right now, fear of Pelosi is helping to keep them in line.

    • gazill

      we are using “competent” to describe possible replacements, yet, the current crop has yielded little competence. In fact, it seems Pelosi has demonstrated more competence than the other Dems, in that she has ruled the House with an iron fist, and has successfully shut out the GOP from presenting amendments, etc. I also agree that to let her drag on will lessen the outrage the left will have, and the media will portray this as Republicans dragging old news because they have nothing new to offer. Given that several of the people nominated for posts to be filled by the current administration had ethics issues, predominantly failure to pay taxes, I think it safe that any Dem filling her position will have some ethical baggage. It just seems the media are (unusually) against her now, and this is the time to use it to the GOP’s advantage.

      • smagar

        she has ruled the House with an iron fist

        IIRC, many of the new “Blue Dogs” elected in 2006 had to promise to vote for Pelosi as Speaker, before the Dem Party threw their weight behind their candidacies.

        The Dem Party not only willingly, but deliberately, decided to put this person:
        - in charge of the flow of legislation in the House—because no meaningful piece of legislation goes anywhere in the House if the Speaker doesn’t want it to.
        - third in line for the Presidency, in time of war.

        Now, it’s one thing to be led by a bare-knuckles, brawler type when you’re an out-of-power minority in the House.

        But, when you’re on the verge of power, you should ask yourself “OK, who should lead us if we do, indeed, take charge of half of the legislative branch of the world’s most powerful democracy.” Perhaps the traits that made for a good leader when you were fighting for scraps aren’t the same ones we’d look for in, arguably, the most influential legislative leadership position on Earth.

        And, when they had the chance, for that position of positions, the Democrats picked…Nancy Pelosi.

        As we continue to hammer the Speaker over the weeks and months ahead, let’s be sure to make that point. Over and over and over again.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    All the way. When she’s cooked we go after a fresh target. When hunting for liars and thieves, the Democrat side of the aisle in either House, and the Administration are target-rich environments.

    • $peciallist

      this weekend will be awesome…..

      Watch the Republican leaders follow…all it takes is one, and the rest will follow

      how did we know this would come down on Friday?….heh

    • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

      nt

    • Mike gamecock DeVine

      to hurt the dems overall with this issue

      writing new column tonight on this

      hint on themes

      don’t let investigation chant be a moving the goalpost vehicle to let pelosi and dems off the hook

      • smagar

        I see a plethora of timelines in Pelosi’s future, as each major media outlet and blogger tries to get a handle of what Pelosi knew about EIS, what she said she knew and exactly when she said/claimed to know it.

        We could have one holy and splendid mess of talking heads chattering on and on about this. And, each day this happens, Speaker Pelosi looks a little bit worse.

        Siege artillery works best when you have the freedom to pound, pound, pound your foe, day in and day out, into dust.

        Does anyone see a way in which Pelosi gets in front of this news cycle? Any way that she can seize the initiative here, and shape the story to her benefit? I didn’t think so.

        All those MSM types who are so openly sympathetic to Democratic politics, must be thinking to themselves “Hey, this nut’s gotta go. Otherwise the GOP might—UGH—regain control of the House!”

        I think there are key people at the NYT, WaPo and LAT who are silently unleashing their staff hounds of Heck on hapless Nan. Once she goes, Steny can take charge and start building the lasting Democratic majority in the House that is our MSM’s dream.

        Pelosi, on the other hand, might screw up things for everybody.

        • Mike gamecock DeVine
  • johnt

    that Pelosi, and others, were aware of the CIA program? Granted that what are crimes for Republicans are piffles for Democrats. But torture, war crimes ? There have to be limits even for the hounds of the left.

    Just another add on to the lies &, horror stories of the past eight years. It does along with the Gitmo as brutal and must be closed theme and the NSA spying on Americans stuff. The Bush as fascist and theocracy business is fading as The O steps up to the plate to claim the mantle of Benito Mussolini, only I don’t think he’ll be as nice. The O will also double as High Priest of the Church of Government.

    Morons everywhere will be in a state of perpetual bliss.

    • gekster
  • Kowalski

    “We knew there were nuts, we knew there were nuts in the Congress, and now we have to get down into the Congress and fight the nuts.”

    This is from something Bill Bennett said on one of the morning talk show programs within a few days of 9/11, talking about the people who attacked us and why we hadn’t done more to stop it…

    “We knew there were rats, we knew they were down in the sewers….”

    • Kowalski

      I don’t know what school of thought among Republican political strategists and back-of-the-napkin pundits would ever credibly imagine letting Nancy Pelosi get away with this. She’s endangering the country. She’s endangering the intelligence gathering apparatus of a nation that is still in the crosshairs of a lot of bad people. She’s deliberately making up a version of events so that it fits her political schedule on one of the most important matters she can possibly comment on. She was the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee. She wasn’t somebody in Kalamazoo getting their news about the CIA from Mother Jones.

      In other words, Dan, you’re right. The only thing we can’t have right now is a nationwide vote of confidence in the Speaker of the House which could throw her out of office, permanently.

  • Vegas_Rick

    I wonder if Ms. Pelosi is about to run afoul of Chicago style politics?

    Is there really still room under that bus?

    • redneck_hippie

      when someone from the White House has a press conference and says that they stand behind the Speaker 100%, she is supremely competent and her leadership is invaluable.

      Until that time we keep the smell of blood in our noses and track her implacably.

      • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

        I always love it when an owner of a professional sports team, or an athletic director at a college say they are behind their coach. That poor bastard is gone in 24 hours.

        • redneck_hippie

          popcorn stock should hit another all-time high before this ends.

          As an aside, anyone interested in testing their outrageometer for conductivity and durability should read this seen on hotair:

          http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aB2p31qRJH6k&refer=politics

          Ace should open link only if he has a soothing cup of tea or something a little stronger, handy.

  • Common_Cents

    She is against Bush’s wartime CIA actions but supports Obama’s CIA people.

    No joke.

    • janis

      Granny Botox was doing well by keeping her mouth shut. Now she goes and does something like this, proving, once again, that the Dems just can’t help themselves. If there’s way to overreach, they’ll do it every single time. As dependable as the trains in Italy under Mussolini.

  • jazzycmk

    ….because Pelosi is not going to let this go, even though she has been so thoroughly busted on this. It’s very telling that there has been no Democratic uprising to support their embattled leader. Gibbs punted when asked a question about it today. Haven’t heard a word from Reid.

    For starters, she is on the wrong side of public opinion on this. Majority believes that the EITs should be employed in limited circumstances (whether or not you cateogrize the techniques as torture).

    But Pelosi is so blinded by her bloodlust for the Bush administration, and she is so confident that the press will give her cover that she decided to plunge forward anyway. I think she is flabbergasted at how it has backfired on her.

    Her argument yesterday was laughable. Trotting out Iraq and WMDs and trying to frame the EIT argument around it was weak. She figured that argument worked for them in the 2006 elections, so why not now? People are not that gullible Nancy. When you change your story for the umpteenth time, people aren’t going to believe you. Also, people are not buying her line that she knew about the techniques but didn’t know they were being used. If you were so offended, you would have sounded off about them then. Lame, lame, lame.

    • smagar

      IIRC, she was out of the country for the past week or so, when this whole thing about torture memos started heating up and started slipping from Democratic message control.

      It might be Nancy didn’t know how far the argument had progressed. She might have been caught flatfooted.

      Bad staff work. Never let the boss get surprised. Especially a boss that will most likely not think twice about tossing you under any bus she sees if she’s displeased.

  • USNJIMRET
  • nod90

    She was for torture before she was against it.

    Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip

  • smagar

    When you’ve broken your enemy’s position, dislodged them from their prepared defenses, and forced them into unfriendly terrain, you have a distinct advantage.

    If you pause, and give the enemy time to regroup, you most likely lose that advantage.

    Hence, the “exploitation.” In an “exploitation,” you keep pressure on your enemy. You keep them disorganized, and you try to disorganize them further.

    Moreover, by staying on the attack, you keep the initiative for yourself. You dictate the action on the battlefield. You make them react to you.

    The Dems apparently hope to pass a major restructuring of our national health care system this summer. Specifically, they want to do it while we’re distracted on our summer vacations. That requires a cohesive, well-coordinated and smoothly-running political machine.

    Nancy Pelosi is very good at running such a machine—unless she’s running for her life instead.

    The MSM will want to declare this old news and move on. We should not let them. Pelosi has made shocking charges that she can’t simply walk away from. We should not let her, and we should not let the MSM let her.

    On the road from Petersburg to Appomattox, Grant wrote Lincoln: “If the thing is pressed, I think Lee will surrender.”

    Lincoln’s timeless reply: “Let the THING be PRESSED.”

    Keep after ‘em, House and Senate GOP. I can feel their lines breaking…

  • Leopard1996

    Until Pelosi is under the Obama bus and forced to step down, and also used like a bludgeon in the upcoming midterms, I know from here in Cincinnati, our district’s congress person rode in on the Obama coattails, I would love to have it beat over his head, that he was more than supportive of everything Pelosi has come up with in this past congressional session.

    • smagar

      Good questions to start asking of Dem Congressional candidates—especially vulnerable incumbents:

      1) Knowing what you know now, will you vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker in 2011, when the new Congress convenes?
      2) Do you agree with the Speaker, that the CIA regularly misled the Congress during the Iraq War years?
      3) The stimulus bill passed with votes to spare in the House—did you support that bill? (For sitting members of Congress): If not, why didn’t you vote against it? (The Dem leadership didn’t need your vote to pass it anyway).
      4) (For sitting members of Congress): Did you read the stimulus bill before you voted on it? Now, that you’ve had a chance to read it (and see some of its impact), would you still have voted for it?
      5) (For sitting members of Congress): The most recent budget bill had thousands of earmarks. It passed with a comfortable margin in the House. Did you support that bill?

      Record their answers. If they don’t answer, ask again, and keep asking.

      All of this is siege artillery.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    since it is inevitable for these types of Diaries:

    nice try, we’ve covered the “torture” lie/meme already

    [Troll Torture dismissal Form-Comment, I keep this handy since it always comes up]

    Many Diaries exist see here covering all that including how water-boarding is NOT torture and the UN agreement the US is part of, how Democrats still do NOT pass a law to declare it such and/or PROHIBIT it (even as an EIT), the memos diversion, and on and on…

    Again, if you want it to be known as Torture your lefty loons in Congress could so make it so by passing a new Law stating that it would now be considered Torture… They have NOT attempted to do so since they took power in 2006… Nor will they now… They know it is a LOSER and they will NOT give up the EIT?s under a Democrat despite their BS rhetoric about it. You waste time and space with that easily refuted crap and we are NOT going to waste our time when we?ve covered it countless times already (see the above link to other RS links).

    There are many Diaries here at RedState that already refute all the Democrat Talking-points contentions and I am sorry but I do not have the time to cover that ground again. A simple google search within RedState will yield that information and I invite you, and hope you will, look over the many thoughtful Articles that provide some additional Facts, Quotes, Links, etc, (on top of this one and maybe even some from the same author of the Diary this conversation is taking place in) on this topic and/or the things you (parroted) brought up (Election Issues recap [with links]).

    • Leopard1996

      Can I save this in word, then do a copy paste as a response here or anywhere else, these asshat libs want to call it torture.

      • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

        just make sure when you put it in a TXT or Word or whatever document you come back and follow the links and then cut/paste the URL and replace what was the link now just appearing as TEXT in your document to be the HTML code to actually provide the links again when you go to copy it back out of your document to the RS Comment you’ll be putting it in.

  • smagar

    For any of you who might think that the MSM will run with the Pelosigate ball from now on, let me give you two examples of why you should NOT think that:

    1) The Swift Boat Vets. 200+ of John Kerry’s wartime colleagues banded together to oppose his Presidency, and the MSM lowballed it. The Swifties created a perfect opportunity for a juicy story—and the MSM deliberately averted its eyes. It wasn’t until the Swifties started running their commercials that the story got legs.
    2) Doug Feith’s book War and Decision. In the early months of 2008, I remember hearing how Feith’s book, once it appeared, would force the MSM to look (for a little bit at least) at the Iraq War from Team Bush 43′s side of the story.

    Oh no. Instead, most MSM organs ignored the book. To the shock of many longtime pundits, key MSM organizations either refused to review the book or only gave it a perfunctory review. Feith never got to fully tell his side of the story, because the MSM refused to allow any meaningful conversation to take place.

    THIS is why we need to keep talking about Pelosigate. It’s a story that will resonate with many Americans. And, for that reason, we should expect that many in the MSM will try to starve it of oxygen.

  • johnt

    Republicans are. Note the vile spew directed at Cheney for daring to suggest we might want to see two other memos showing benefits of “torture”. Liberal filth don’t even want the subject raised, which BTW tells you how much the lives of other Americans mean to them.

    They’re getting crazier by the minute.