Say Goodbye To Cairo: Why The Iranian Crisis Reveals The Hollowness of The Cairo Speech


Neither Hope Nor Change For The Iranian People

The Obama Administration’s response to protests against the Iranian regime’s contempt for even its own thin facade of democracy has been markedly muted and tentative; even the French Government has spoken out more clearly against the fraudulence of the presidential election and the mullahs’ suppression of the Iranian people than has President Obama. One conclusion we can draw from Obama’s failure to offer support for the Iranian people against their theocrat masters is that it eviscerates the entire point of his Cairo speech to the ‘Muslim world’.

In and of itself, there were already many reasons to be concerned about the Cairo speech, as Mark Steyn, Charles Krauthammer, Martin Peretz, Andrew McCarthy and Erick Erickson have all detailed at length - its factual distortions and omissions of history, its false equivalencies, its acceptance of the legitimacy of treating “the Muslim world” as a collective political construct superseding national interests or popular sovereignty, its contrast between Obama’s deferential words towards Muslim nations with his meddling in the affairs of the world’s lone Jewish nation. In the speech, Obama embraced the role of a defender of the Islamic faith, even going so far as to speak of where Islam “was first revealed,” a statement that explicitly endorses Islam’s claim to theological truth. Obama proved the old saw that a liberal is a man too broad-minded to take his own side in an argument: on every issue on which there is a pro-American (or pro-Western or pro-Israeli) set of factual assertions and arguments and an opposing set of anti-American (or anti-Western or anti-Israeli) factual assertions and arguments, Obama accepted the anti- premises and ignored the pro-. Thus, as Peretz details, he accepted the notion that the State of Israel owes its legitimacy entirely to European guilt for the Holocaust, and wholly ignored the pre-1945 history of Zionism. Thus, he accepted the notion that the U.S. properly bears the baggage of historical guilt for the sins of Europe, while refusing to claim credit for the blood Americans have shed repeatedly for Muslim peoples. Thus, Obama blamed tensions between Muslims and the West on “colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims” - even though many of the core regions of the Islamic heartland (such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the Levant) were either never Western colonies after the rise of Islam or were only briefly under British control between the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Second World War. As a whole, while the speech’s historical and political narrative departed from the pro-American view of the world, it dovetailed neatly with the views of Egyptian-raised scholar Edward Said, a professor at Columbia during Obama’s time there and mentor to Obama’s friend and Palestinian activist Rashid Khalidi. (Perhaps that’s one reason why Obama chose Cairo as his location and why he’s taken every available opportunity to offer petty diplomatic snubs to the British in particular.) In short, Obama spent the speech accepting, rather than challenging, the views of his audience, and leaving to someone with a job other than President of the United States the task of defending the United States against the arguments made against it.

There is, of course, an argument to be made, and that has been made by Obama’s supporters, in favor of giving such a speech. Certainly, if you want to persuade people, it’s easier to do if you start your remarks by buying into their view of the world, even if this requires the embrace of demonstrable untruths. (The definition of diplomacy is the art of not speaking the truth). By setting himself up as the arbiter of two contending parties - America and the Islamic world - and above both, Obama banked on using his own personal popularity with Muslims to establish a separate brand identity, the Obama Brand (count the number of times the word “I” appears in the Cairo speech, as well as the references to his own biography), with a base separate and distinct from the American Brand with all its historical associations. As Andrew Sullivan expressed the argument, back in 2007, for the value of having Obama as a distinctive representative for America rather than an advocate for its values or a defender of its record:

A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man - Barack Hussein Obama - is the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama’s face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.

The other obvious advantage that Obama has in facing the world and our enemies is his record on the Iraq War. He is the only major candidate to have clearly opposed it from the start. Whoever is in office in January 2009 will be tasked with redeploying forces in and out of Iraq, negotiating with neighboring states, engaging America’s estranged allies, tamping down regional violence. Obama’s interlocutors in Iraq and the Middle East would know that he never had suspicious motives toward Iraq, has no interest in occupying it indefinitely, and foresaw more clearly than most Americans the baleful consequences of long-term occupation.

All of this raises a question. If the Obama Brand is to be sold to Muslim populations in various nations, to what purpose? What do we hope to accomplish by having an American President who is more well-regarded for his identification with the views of Muslims than is America itself? If Obama’s charm initiative can pay some dividends to the United States, when do we collect them?

The Iranian crisis reveals the hollowness of the entire effort. Here we have a situation in which the truth is obvious: the Iranian people, a majority Muslim population, are being oppressed by their government. And in which the ideal outcome is obvious: anything that weakens the control of the mullahs over Iranian society is a positive, and with the legitimacy of the regime now staked on the victory by the odious Ahmadenijad, any outcome that undermines that victory is a step in the right direction.

Under a presidency, like that of George W. Bush, that single-mindedly pursued American interests and American values, the answer would be to speak that truth and lend public support to the Iranian people against the mullahs. That doesn’t mean offering explicit support for Mousavi, the dissidents’ candidate who is only slightly less a tool of the mullahs than Ahmadenijad, but it does mean acknowledging the legitimacy of the people’s grievances. The downside if President Bush took that step is the risk of a backlash: that Ahmadenijad in particular could rally anti-American public support against the protestors by portraying the whole enterprise as an American puppet. Reasonable minds can differ on whether that backlash would be a serious problem (certainly the people behind the Iron Curtain always approved of Ronald Reagan speaking the truth about the oppressive nature of the regime they lived under), but it’s the cornerstone of the Obama supporters’ argument for why the President should keep out of this one.

But what if President Obama did it? If Cairo was about anything, if it was worth anything, if the Obama Brand could ride to the aid of the interests of the United States in a situation where a more explicitly pro-American president could not, Obama should be willing and able to put that brand to work in a situation where the obvious objective truth is that he was acting to favor the interests of an Islamic population. He should be able to draw on his personal favorability in a crisis when something real is at stake.

There are two possible answers to why Obama hasn’t done that. One is that when push comes to shove, the Obama Brand in the Muslim world isn’t actually worth anything when there are real stakes. That people everywhere are savvy enough to know that nations and peoples don’t change their inherent interests simply because they’ve hired a new front man, that personalized diplomacy doesn’t do anything to budge the basic dynamics of international relations, and thus that efforts like Cairo are just meaningless piffle in terms of their practical effect on America’s ability to pursue its foreign policy objectives when there are opportunities presented to alter the status quo in our favor.

The darker possibility is that Obama views strengthening, rather than weakening, the Iranian theocrats as America’s predominant foreign policy objective in this crisis, and thus he would regard action on behalf of the Iranian people as counterproductive. That case is laid out by Robert Kagan and Francis Cianfrocca. Low an opinion as I have of Obama, I’d prefer not to believe that he actually wants the mullahs to win, although Kagan and Cianfrocca make a compelling argument at least that Obama’s strategy prior to this crisis was to offer more American-conferred legitimacy to the mullahs and Ahmadenijad as a carrot in arms control talks (the opposite of the Reagan strategy).

In either event, this much is clear. Cairo was only words, in a situation when words alone would mean nothing, cost nothing. When words could make a difference, President Obama won’t speak them. The Iranian people aren’t deemed worthy of change they can believe in.

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"Just words...just speaches??"...Yes Barry...and look what it's got us...nt

Aaron Gardner Thursday, June 18th at 2:29PM EDT (link)

Aaron’s Archive

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

for clarity on the issue - LINK

Mike gamecock DeVine Thursday, June 18th at 4:55PM EDT (link)

http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/06/16/whbc/

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson

 
 

The Cairo Speech embolds the protesters

izoneguy Thursday, June 18th at 2:37PM EDT (link)

because they know the truth. The protesters know that Obama is not of the people. Anyone with half a brain can see that as Obama destroys the best hope that the Iranians have to break free of the Mullahs. Especially Iranian women. I am sure as the Iranians heard Obama speak they knew that it would be up to them to unshackle themselves.
Just as the people of Israel know that Obama is useless.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

 

Carolyn Glick agrees

ashland_avenue Thursday, June 18th at 2:44PM EDT (link)

Carolyn Glick agrees that the President is “not open to a rational dscourse.”

Netanyahu’s speech was an eloquent, rational and at times impassioned defense of Israel. For Israeli ears, after years of former prime minister Ehud Olmert’s and former foreign minister Tzipi Livni’s continuous assaults on Israeli rights, and their strident defenses of capitulation to the Palestinians and the Syrians, Netanyahu’s address was a breath of fresh air. But it is hard to see how it could have possibly had any lasting impact on Obama or his advisers.

To be moved by rational argument, a person has to be open to rational discourse. And what we have witnessed over the past week with the Obama administration’s reactions to both North Korea’s nuclear brinksmanship and Iran’s sham elections is that its foreign policy is not informed by rationality but by the president’s morally relative, post-modern ideology. In this anti-intellectual and anti-rational climate, Netanyahu’s speech has little chance of making a lasting impact on the White House.

If rational thought was the basis for the administration’s policymaking on foreign affairs, North Korea’s decisions to test long range ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons, send two US citizens to long prison terms and then threaten nuclear war should have made the administration reconsider its current policy of seeking the approval and assistance of North Korea’s primary enabler - China - for any action it takes against Pyongyang. As Nicholas Eberstadt suggested in Friday’s Wall Street Journal, rather than spending its time passing UN Security Council resolutions with no enforcement mechanisms against North Korea, the administration would be working with a coalition of the willing to adopt measures aimed at lowering the threat North Korea constitutes to regional, US and global security through its nuclear and ballistic missile programs and its proliferation activities.

But the administration has done no such thing. Instead of working with and strengthening its allies, it has opted to work with North Korea’s allies China and Russia to forge a Security Council resolution harsh enough to convince North Korean leader Kim Jung Il to threaten nuclear war, but too weak to degrade his capacity to wage one.

http://www.carolineglick.com/e/

 

Henry Kissinger says that Obama is doing a good job

leftylurker Thursday, June 18th at 6:39PM EDT (link)

I’m kind of inclined to agree. Any interference at all will just be used by the conservative clerics in Iran to condemn the reformists.

I can provide a link to Kissinger’s remarks, but I’m not super sure how to embed links here. Last time I tried it was a disaster.

Kissinger doesn't even know if his "Depends" are doing a good job.

Tbone Thursday, June 18th at 6:48PM EDT (link)

What he thinks about anything else is of less consequence.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Kissinger was snookered by the

Justin_Case Thursday, June 18th at 7:51PM EDT (link)

North Vietnamese.

His words deserve the same amount of credence as another former Secretary of State and Obama booster, Colin Powell.

Kissinger is still washing Cambodian blood off his hands

olsmithie Saturday, June 20th at 10:56AM EDT (link)

I saw his analysis.
His judgment is suspect, at best. Poor at worst.
3 million dead people can’t be all wrong.

Regards

that's funny because you blame him for Pol Pot

kyle8 Saturday, June 20th at 12:16PM EDT (link)

and Christopher Hitchens blames him for other stuff.

But the truth is he is to blame for neither. He worked out a peace deal and the democrat congress pulled the rug out from under him. This caused the fall of South Vietnam, the destabilization of Cambodia and pol pot’s ascendancy.

Kissinger might not be a great statesman but there is no blood on his hands.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

I Agree With You on This (nt)

IJB Saturday, June 20th at 12:18PM EDT (link)

More appropriate, then, to place the blood on the Dem congress?

olsmithie Saturday, June 20th at 12:39PM EDT (link)

and how much on Gerald Ford?
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=4660

Thanks for keeping me straight!

Regards

 

You should read the details

Justin_Case Sunday, June 21st at 10:44PM EDT (link)

of the Paris Peace Agreement that was signed in 1973.

It allowed NVA troops to remain in the South. The South Vietnamese, despite their protests, were sold down the river then, long before Frank Church and the Democrats drove the final coffin nail.

Kissinger was outmatched by the North Vietnamese, which goes to show that negotiations should only take place after an unconditional surrender.

George W. Bush showed how war should be conducted by not involving Iran and Syria in any seat at any table, as was advised by The Iraq Study Group.

His vision for the Middle East is becoming clearer right now with the latest Iranian revolution.

 
 
 
 
 

That is unsurprising, given the source.

Dan McLaughlin Thursday, June 18th at 6:50PM EDT (link)

Kissinger is unmatched in his cold-blooded embrace of the ‘realist’ school, which would gladly sell the Iranian public down the river to keep on good terms with the mullahs. Don’t get me wrong, Kissinger’s a brilliant guy and any president should be willing to hear his advice among other voices. But if we’d continued pursuing Kissingerian detente, the Soviet Union would have stayed in business a lot longer.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

Well said

leftylurker Thursday, June 18th at 7:03PM EDT (link)
 

Not so sure we should get involved.

davemartin7777 Thursday, June 18th at 7:33PM EDT (link)

Doesn’t anyone remember the Shaw of Iran?

He was that result of American and British covert operations ending in the 1953 coup d’etat… which of course was all about oil.

Google “Operation Ajax” for goodness sake.

The Iranians certainly remember.

The “blow-back of all that is we got the Ayatollah Khomeini

Any involvement in Iran is going to used against us, IMHO.

Your first post, eh

6eorge Jetson Thursday, June 18th at 7:46PM EDT (link)

Perhaps you can’t bring yourself to admit how the Bush administration’s freeing of Iraq from Saddam’s reign of terror and facilitating a nascient democracy was different than the US support of the Shah.

 

Ah, "blow-back"

Neil Stevens Thursday, June 18th at 8:08PM EDT (link)

The call of the truther.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

 

The "Shaw of Iran" ROFLMAO.

Tbone Thursday, June 18th at 8:11PM EDT (link)

Dude,

I went to school with Dick Shaw, but I didn’t know he was from Iran.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

No way Iran had Brian Shaw either

Neil Stevens Thursday, June 18th at 8:15PM EDT (link)

With his clutch shooting and precise passing, the Revolution wouldn’t have stood a chance.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

Perhaps he meant Robert Shaw?

TNJim Thursday, June 18th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

No, wait. He’s not Iranian either.

Nevermind.

“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane

He carried the day

Justin_Case Thursday, June 18th at 8:44PM EDT (link)

in The Sting

Ya folla?

 
 
 
 

Not quite.

Justin_Case Thursday, June 18th at 8:42PM EDT (link)

The “blow-back of all that is we got the Ayatollah Khomeini

We didn’t get the Ayatollah. The people of Iran got him and his repressive successors.

No one is asking Obama to undertake covert operations in Iran-only that he give verbal support for the cause of freedom. His predecessors have done this many times, in various trouble spots, throughout American history.

As for “meddling”, Mr. Limbaugh said it best when he queried as to why Obama has no misgivings when criticizing Iran’s quest to achieve nuclear capability, yet finds it meddlesome to call into question clerics deciding who will win elections.

Voting “present” is not an option. The chickens will come home to roost someday and it ain’t gonna be pretty.

 
 

By your logic

Dan McLaughlin Thursday, June 18th at 8:02PM EDT (link)

the one thing we should *not* do is back the current repressive govt as we did the “Shaw”.

With great power comes great responsibility. If we do nothing, we have still taken a side. The wrong side.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

 

call me crazy but...

kaufbrew Thursday, June 18th at 8:11PM EDT (link)

I am also inclined to agree - I mean since as long as I can remember we have had issues with Iran (I was a 13 when Carter was elected). I am sick and tired of seeing the protests of America - we have got to learn to stay out of things - not because we don’t want everyone to be liberated from tyranny - but because they are using our force against us!

The Iranian people are just as worthy as anyone on earth to have liberty - but we are seriously spent! It is great to see France pinch hit for us for a change - Let Obama be Obama. We cannot change the fact that he is our President. If it turns to toast, like it did the Carter years, then the American people will once again be stronger than ever - behind the conservatives!

After all - what is so extreme about being right?

Yeah, dude WE are so SPENT!

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 8:22PM EDT (link)

by my count if you were 13 when Carter was elected President that would make you 46? Forgive for not believing you are anything but a troll.

BTW, what the heck are you talking about?

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

dontread on me -

kaufbrew Thursday, June 18th at 9:50PM EDT (link)

that is really funny - no i am not a troll…lol…i am not a dude either - born in 63 - 4 kids…to the bone conservative. I just think we have to save our energy - we are not going anywhere with this issue. We need to focus on N. Korea and healthcare. We are so out of power - I mean think about it - what difference does it make -GWB liberated how many million? Obama is not going to liberate anyone…except for the losers in congress who don’t pay taxes.

OK...

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 10:11PM EDT (link)

I got you wrong, now I see what you were saying. If you haven’t noticed we have had a number of trolls just popping up from everywhere. I think I saw a little snark in your comment, plus I do not know many 46 year olds using the phrase “we are spent”. Misidentifying you tonight has dropped my trolldar down to 87% reliability.

I would say that our efforts to pay lip-service to the cause of the people towards freedom should continue. Yes, they screamed death to America in the streets, but it appears the youth of the nation are a little disenfranchised with the whole Mullah regime as of the last two decades. I also think that media is manufactured in Iran like it has become in this nation so I doubt that the number of anti-American Iranians are greatly exaggerated. I am not calling for military action because I would not dare risk our military to new action under this President. Plus the Dems have begun to strip the support structure in the DoD for the Social Programs.

Lastly, I believe that the President of the United States should not show sympathy with hostile regimes but rather show sympathy for those that yearn to be free of the tyranny or statist theocracies. Every little change towards freedom in Iran is a big deal.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 
 
 

Ok, you're crazy.

Achance Thursday, June 18th at 8:23PM EDT (link)

The only people spent in America are the mush brains who listen to Lefties and the MSM, and that apparently includes you.

Comrade Obama is no Jimmy Carter. Carter was just a guy who wasn’t quite big enough for the office and never recovered from the scorn shown him by the Beltway elite. Comrade Obama and his handlers are embarked on a mission to remake, his word, America into a socialist state. Not only will the American people not be stronger, but, like Hannity’s meme, conservatives will be in hiding or exile. And in Comrade Obama’s world opposing him is extremism of a sort that ought to be repressed.

In Vino Veritas

Just a bad word choice...

roscopico Thursday, June 18th at 10:48PM EDT (link)

But to some extent I agree with it. While kaufbrew may have misspoke, there is a palpable sense of frustration in the most reliable conservatives at my workplace.
My employment is in a very “salt of the earth” place… we are the people that produce, and as a non-union small business, the boots on the ground have a non-adversarial relationship with the office types. And we are ALL feeling a sense of powerless resignation to the snowballing Statism imposed upon us. These are the weak moments, however.
We are “spent” only to the degree that we (”we” being the productive, responsible, attentive, and informed) allow ourselves to be carried where the currents take us.
Dammit… I’d rather part the seas.
Our duly elected government does not support freedom for the people of Iran, just as our duly elected government does not support liberty for its own people.
We are spent only in the sense that a majority of the voters elected a neutered foreign policy.
I can’t wait until the sleeping giant is woken.

My very best wishes to all here at Redstate, as we shall be picking up the pieces after jimmy saul carter alinsky.

Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…

With all of the new policies,

ceili_dancer Thursday, June 18th at 11:47PM EDT (link)

I’ll just wait to see how many of the productive folks just choose to shrug? Rand may have been a little off in her view of materialism vs. religion, but she nailed it with the view of an encroaching government with a syncophantic press.

 
 
 
 

Embracing the Iranian Protesters Would Only Give the Military Junta there and Excuse to Crack Down

ronnyraygun Thursday, June 18th at 10:04PM EDT (link)

Letting the Iranians sort it out is a smart move. If we overtly embrace the protesters the regime will blame everything on “The Great Satan” and provide a pretext for cracking down more.

George W. Bush, may have single-mindedly pursued American interests and American values, but he sure wasn’t very good at it.

this is a crock

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 18th at 10:09PM EDT (link)

the protesters have no one else on their side. You think they will forget the desire for freedom because we agree the votes should be fair? American has been known for a long time as a promoter of freedom, do you think the young Iranians are dumb? people have been saying for over a decade the Iranian youth and women want the freedoms we have here. If you think they are so fickle about their own lives that they would quit if we agreed with them, then you just don’t get freedom sir.

btw, my famous (infamous among some) Trolldar is at Defcon 4. No aspersions will follow until further evidence comes to light.

Molon Labe!

 

checking your post history

Caleb Howe Thursday, June 18th at 10:12PM EDT (link)

and you’re an obvious troll. Got a prob with that hit the contact form.

Adios.

Caleb Howe (formerly known as absentee)
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heh, absentee

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 18th at 10:17PM EDT (link)

I was going to call him a troll but got gunshy because Hinz gave me grief the other day. He said sooner or later I call everyone a troll lol. It was funny, but my ban predictor still has a good percentage. I still have no power, but that is what makes it fun, I am a gambler, I get to bet on who goes next and see how the dice roll :)

Molon Labe!

 
 

WTH, this is one of the most naive comments I have seen here...

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 10:15PM EDT (link)

You have to be kidding me, let them sort it out? How do you think this is going to play with or without our embracing of the protestors? Listen, this is not how statist theocratic nations continue to be theocratic statist nations. There will be deaths and there will be punishment. The people of Iran are not armed, so do not expect an uprising from them because they have no means to fight other than through democratic processes. W/o these processes, as they have found out recently, there really is no hope for them to overcome their shackles without a benevolent rise of a Mullah that somehow has changed his mind.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 
 

Obviously, like the mullahs, you do not tolerate dissent!

chucknorrisconservative Thursday, June 18th at 10:31PM EDT (link)

The fact that it is not patently obvious to you that overtly cheering on the Iranian protesters would give the ruling regime an excuse to crack down on protestors is proof positive why you guys should not be in charge of our foreign policy.

Oh no! we’re not grandstanding like France… What will we do?

How ’bout some old fashioned Republican values like speaking softly and carrying a big stick.

And yes Doc Holliday, I get freedom. I scream it to the rooftops just like Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart!
We just promote freedom more in this case by speaking softly than by getting all rah rah about this.

Do you get freedom? How is silencing opinions you do not agree with freedom?

Blam!!!

Caleb (absentee to me) another blamming needed

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 18th at 10:37PM EDT (link)

this guy not only called us “you guys”, he not only thought I did the blam, he not only said I silenced opinions (when I rarely even get a response to comments), but worst of all, he did not hit “Reply to This”!! oh yeah, been here a month and his first post, possibly sockpuppet for the guy you banned.

Molon Labe!

 

Wow Mr Chuck Norris would be embarrased, (troll infestation)...

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 10:39PM EDT (link)

this guy thinks he is something special. This is great he has sleeper accounts he is soooooo, smart.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 
 

Are libertarian conservatives trolls?

chucknorrisconservative Thursday, June 18th at 10:36PM EDT (link)

Just wondering if there’s a place for libertarian conservatives with a realist foreign policy?

Still, if not, feel free to blam me so I can go out for dinner, I’m getting hungry!

You can go, you will be blammed sir

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 18th at 10:38PM EDT (link)

enjoy your meal under the bridge troll.

Molon Labe!

 

Caleb, the guy you banned and this fool defending him and asking to be blammed

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 18th at 10:40PM EDT (link)

both joined up 29 days and 20 hours ago. Now call me a conspiracy theorist, but that is a bit peculiar.

Molon Labe!

 

wow, you can spell libertarian and conservative...

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 10:42PM EDT (link)

come on now, really, libertarian then you must know about that little thing called free association, we freely chose not to associate with you. Besides you chose to post that on this subject on this site and you have been here 29 days? Come on!

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

What can I say, I'm bored!

chucknorrisconservative Thursday, June 18th at 10:46PM EDT (link)

Seriously, do you really think jumping up and down about the Iranian protestors is going to help their position? And if so how?

Before I get banned, wanted to wish you all an excellent weekend!

Oh, why thank you troll, you are such a nice troll-nt

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 10:47PM EDT (link)

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 

One-handed posting doesn't help much either

bs Thursday, June 18th at 10:48PM EDT (link)

But if it relieves your stress, then I’m glad we can be of service. The proper authorities have been notified of your sock puppet-ness.

Decorum is fo’ suckas

lol-nt

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 10:51PM EDT (link)

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 
 
 
 

anyone going to blam this obvious sockpuppet?

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 18th at 10:48PM EDT (link)

if not, spread the power around, I have been passed up so many times it is like I am sitting on jacks. If you guys can’t see this is a sock puppet for the guy just banned, then freaking pass the stick to someone else.

Molon Labe!

I wonder how many sleeper accounts he has?-nt

DONTREADONME Thursday, June 18th at 10:54PM EDT (link)

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

yep dontread

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 18th at 11:31PM EDT (link)

he did not hide that one well, but registered in the same hour of the same day. It would be nice if the net geeks here could ban the ip address, but i guess even that can be changed.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 
 

Does this make a difference? I think so

carlsbadd Thursday, June 18th at 10:45PM EDT (link)

Despite what our President says or doesn’t say not many are talking Iraq now being ( or heading to ) a demcraqtic country

sorry hit enter to soon

carlsbadd Thursday, June 18th at 10:50PM EDT (link)

I think that without Saddam the gasser on the other side of the border and the youth of Iran seeing a glint of a decomacratic government in Iraq it is adding fuel to the fire of unrest about this election.
Of course the left will continue to claim it as “nation building” while the protesters in Iran will be considered gore vs bush , they are clueless..

 

In Iraq, we traded a Sunni Dictatorship for a Shiite Autocracy

chucknorrisconservative Thursday, June 18th at 10:52PM EDT (link)

And strengthened Iran in the process.
And at the expense of hundreds of billions of dollars
And more importantly, thousands of our best dead!

Told you I was realist!

and your little dog too

Caleb Howe Thursday, June 18th at 10:53PM EDT (link)

buh bye ronny.

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Wonder how many more aliases he has?

TNJim Thursday, June 18th at 10:55PM EDT (link)

I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane

 
 

How dare you!

nilram Saturday, June 20th at 10:55AM EDT (link)

Yesterday, I was at a memorial for three soldiers who lost their lives in Iraq. How dare you use their deaths as a snark to further your politics. Disgusting.

I know, he’s gone but I couldn’t let that one go.

The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.
–Douglas MacArthur

 
 
 

That Eastern Europe analogy

andysimpson Saturday, June 20th at 2:56AM EDT (link)

“…certainly the people behind the Iron Curtain always approved of Ronald Reagan speaking the truth about the oppressive nature of the regime they lived under…”

It’s worth recalling that Ronald Regan didn’t overtly support any of the revolutionary movements in Eastern Europe. In fact, his administration and Bush’s followed a hands-off policy that made the Soviets much more comfortable withdrawing. Mr. Regan praised the abstraction of democracy in strong terms, but he never made the mistake of attaching himself to one revolutionary movement. Contrary to the suggestion that the Cairo speech was all surrender and apology, Barack Obama did unflinchingly call for democratic reform, among other things like women’s rights and the recognition of Israel. He’s actually playing the Regan role: supportive, consistent abstraction and dialogue without any risky specific support.

Vapid, Devoid of Content

Skanderbeg Saturday, June 20th at 9:43AM EDT (link)

See mislocated comment below of this name.

 

What color is the sky on your planet?

Achance Saturday, June 20th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

I can’t believe you have the audacity to mention Comrade Obama and President Reagan in the same paragraph. Obambi unflinching?

In Vino Veritas

 

andysimpson, just exactly what "women's rights"

janis Saturday, June 20th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

did Obama call for in Cairo? Were you referring to the right for a Muslim woman to wear the hijab? Because that’s the big takeaway I heard in that bunch of nothing in Cairo.

And yet, for so many women in the Middle East, the right to NOT wear the hijab or the burka is a sign of freedom. So how unflinching of him was it to call for that “right”?

 

Obama: "Mr Gorbachev, I apologize for the American failings that led to the construction of this wall." --nt--

6eorge Jetson Saturday, June 20th at 10:24AM EDT (link)

Good Lord, man, at least learn to spell "Reagan". nt

Vladimir Saturday, June 20th at 10:29AM EDT (link)

There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer

 

And now that we've all had our fun...

Neil Stevens Saturday, June 20th at 10:30AM EDT (link)

G’bye.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

 

I wonder who financed the Afghan rebels that that drove the Soviets out?

olsmithie Saturday, June 20th at 11:02AM EDT (link)

I guess the US channelling money and weapons in through Pakistan to the Afghans doesn’t count as “risky specific support.”
Oh, if they only taught history in the public schools…..

Ignorance is bliss, have a nice life.

Regards

 
 

Vapid, Devoid of Content

Skanderbeg Saturday, June 20th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

Good God, I’ve read some vapid comments in here over the years, but this one has to rank among the most vapid, uninformed, and self-deluded.

Ronald Reagan made one thing perfectly clear - that the communist regimes were evil and they had to go. And he never softened that attitude, because he had it correct. “Mr. Gorbachev - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!!” Can you image obamos saying something like that? Neither can I.

It wasn’t about “revolutionary movements” (which is marxist drivel about “forces” and anti-individualistic things of that sort). It was about a revolutionary IDEA. And besides moving to defeat the Red Army in Afghanistan (something else obamos would never have done), everything possible was done to pry loopholes open (via any means possible) to get information behind the Iron Curtain.

Lee said that Grant turned his face toward Richmond, and never relented until it fell. Similarly, Reagan turned his face toward Moscow - and never relented until it fell.

I have been making multiple business trips a year to eastern Europe for nearly a decade now, and over there they sure know the story of who won and why. Statues of Ronald Reagan are going up all over the place, and plazas and boulevards are being named after him.

The mighty obamos was around back then, and it’s pretty clear where he stood because he’s doing now exactly what Reagan’s DETRACTORS wanted to do back then - make cooing noises at the cuddly Soviet Union, cut a deal on any terms they would offer, and pretend that somehow it all worked…. even if that meant PERMANENTLY consigning hundreds of millions of fellow human beings to the darkness forever…. and if meant surrendering our civilization to communism…. “Oh, well, at least we meant well - and where there’s life there’s hope (?!), right?”

That’s all obamos wants to do - coo at the mullahs with the notion that they’ll lighten up, cut him a deal, and go away. This is the same nonsense that darn near lost us the Cold War. It’s the approach of a weak man, a Carter - not that of a strong man, a Reagan.

Please don’t slur the memory of a great man like Ronald Reagan as you have done.

Skanderbeg, not enough 5's will fit on the Comment title line. nt

mbecker908 Saturday, June 20th at 10:45AM EDT (link)

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

 
 

Sen. Ensign

eldstenorge Saturday, June 20th at 9:17PM EDT (link)

What we need to remember here is that we are all human. I am not going to defend Sen. Ensign, however, we do need to consider the facts here. 1) It takes two to tango, both a married man and a married woman were involved here, and it was consensual. Both are to blame. 2) Sen. Ensign and his wife were separated at the time. The woman and her husband apparently were not. 3) Since all of this, at least something good has come of it. The Ensigns are back together and Mrs. Ensign says the marriage is stronger than ever now. That says a lot, and I am not defending Sen. Ensign on this, it is just that we always look for the bad, the negative, the way to hate and criticize others, instead of the Gospel principle of REPENTANCE, which all of us are in need of.

Would I vote for Sen. Ensign? I honestly do not know. It would depend if another strong conservative ran against him or not. He is a Senator people, he is not the Messiah. This is one of the big problems we have in America today. We look to our political leaders and government (just consider the idol worship or our President and all his government programs) for the answers to everything, to be our Savior. They are not! They are just like us-human, with frailties. Sen. Ensign has repented and made it right with his wife. That is what the Savior has asked of each of us.
Let’s do it.

????...Wrong Diary...????-nt

DONTREADONME Saturday, June 20th at 9:21PM EDT (link)

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 
 

Postscript

eldstenorge Saturday, June 20th at 9:20PM EDT (link)

I forgot the words of the Savior here: “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.”

 

If Bill Clinton had come with humility and an agenda that suggested humility and righteous intent

avgamerican Monday, June 22nd at 12:51AM EDT (link)

American conservatives would have been willing to forgive and move on. There is a difference between worldly remorse (borrowed term) and true repentance.

 

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