Sarah Palin and the Scum of the Earth


They That Know No Joy But The Destruction Of Good People

If there is a lesson to be learned from Sarah Palin’s withdrawal from public office, it is this: if you want to take out a female politician, you go after her children.

There is likely no one and single reason for Palin’s withdrawal, and she cited a bunch of them in her disorganized “you won’t have Sarah Palin to kick around anymore” speech. But two things seem to explain most logically Palin’s behavior: she was ground down by the unusually vitriolic campaign waged against her, and the aspect of that campaign that did the most damage was the attacks on her children. As Palin put it in her speech:

In fact, this decision comes after much consideration, and finally polling the most important people in my life - my children (where the count was unanimous…well, in response to asking: “Want me to make a positive difference and fight for ALL our children’s future from OUTSIDE the Governor’s office?” It was four “yes’s” and one “hell yeah!” The “hell yeah” sealed it - and someday I’ll talk about the details of that…I think much of it had to do with the kids seeing their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults recently.) Um, by the way, sure wish folks could ever, ever understand that we ALL could learn so much from someone like Trig - I know he needs me, but I need him even more…what a child can offer to set priorities RIGHT - that time is precious…the world needs more “Trigs”, not fewer.

All national politicians take their share of potshots; it comes with the territory, and anybody who can’t take the heat, as Harry Truman famously said, should get out of the kitchen. And with that heat inevitably comes some spillover onto a politician’s family members - especially if those family members are politically outspoken adults, Washington lobbyists, or businesspeople involved in shady practices. But some grief will come as well to soft-spoken spouses and minor children. It’s the nature of the business.

But no politician in modern memory, not even Bill Clinton or George W. Bush, has faced the sort of ferociously personal assault that greeted Palin from the instant she set foot on the national stage, in many cases before her detractors even knew anything about her besides that she was female, attractive, pro-life and pro-gun. And while the pervasive crude sexual references to Palin were horrible, the assault on her family was the worst of all. Palin has worn many hats in her life - Vice-Presidential candidate, Governor, Mayor, Oil & Gas Commissioner, City Councilwoman, sportscaster, point guard, runner, beauty queen, moose hunter - but it’s clear that the role that defines her is her role as the mother of five children. And as James Taranto put it, “If you’ve never met or had a mother, the thing to know about them is that they tend to be very protective of their children.”

There is fairly widespread public and media agreement that criticizing, mocking or making more than glancing political use of President Obama’s two daughters is an absolute no-no. For the media’s part, the effort to spare the President’s children dates back to the Clinton years. Yes, there were mean-spirited jokes told at the expense of Chelsea Clinton, but Republicans who did so (John McCain, Rush Limbaugh) almost always immediately apologized, and Saturday Night Live eventually eased off on Chelsea. There was also regular vitriol from the left, mainly in the blogospehere, aimed at Jenna and Barbara Bush, and no apologies of any kind. But much of that was under the public radar. (John Kerry and John Edwards both bringing up Dick Cheney’s lesbian daughter in the 2004 debates wasn’t, but at least Mary Cheney is an adult). We have simply never seen anything like the targeting of Palin’s children, under a variety of flimsy pretenses that no mother would ever accept as a basis for going after her kids.

One must attribute at least part of the vileness of these attacks, among left-wing blogs, to how very few of the leading left-wing bloggers have children of their own - were conservatives tempted to mock Obama’s daughters, they would at least have to face their own daughters and sons at the end of a day of doing so. A political movement of the childless has no empathy for children. Empathy for other human beings requires human decency, and decency breeds hesitation - a hesitation the Online Left has never displayed. Were any of these people capable of shame, they would be feeling it. Instead, they have been gleefully dancing on Palin’s political grave ever since. It is worth considering what the “New Politics” has looked like when applied to Sarah Palin, because it presents a cautionary tale for Republicans with families.

Fittingly, Carl Cannon noted that one of the nastiest lines of attack came from a former Democratic House and Senate candidate writing on the pages of Daily Kos:

The most egregious example was posted on Daily Kos on Sept. 12, 2008 by Paul Lewis Hackett III, a trial lawyer and U.S. Marine Corps veteran of Iraq, who ran in 2005 for a vacant seat in the House from Ohio’s second congressional district, losing narrowly in a district President Bush had carried easily just a year earlier.

Fretting that the Obama campaign was going to lose Ohio to McCain, Hackett proposed his own solution: A series of savage attacks on the GOP ticket focusing on Sarah Palin and her family. Here is what he wrote:

The message (would be) simple and the professionals can refine it but essentially it should contain these elements: Sarah Palin? Can’t keep her solemn oath of devotion to her husband and had sex with his employee. Sarah Palin? Accidentally got pregnant at age 43 and the tax payers of Alaska have to pay for the care of her disabled child. Sarah Palin? Unable to teach her 16 year old daughter right from wrong and now another teenager is pregnant. Sarah Palin? Can you trust Sarah Palin and her values with America’s future?

Apparently, Hackett took the rumors of an affair from the National Enquirer, which offered no proof, or even evidence. He then segued into an even uglier line of attack, arguing that it’s irresponsible to bring a handicapped baby into the world. This is not “pro-choice,” it’s pro-eugenics. It’s also creepy and illiberal, and reinforces conservatives’ worst fears about Democrats and the issue of abortion. And, oh yes, Bristol Palin’s age was wrong. She was nearly 18 when Hackett wrote this screed, not 16. This proved a harbinger, too, as misinformation slipped easily from the left blogosphere into mainstream coverage.

TIME Magazine noted that back in August, “National Enquirer sent four reporters to Alaska, hoovering up gossip about drug use by her older children and long-ago marital infidelity”; stories were run on drug use by her oldest son Track, who was serving in Iraq and thus, ironically, unavailable to defend himself. Cannon noted how Trig Trutherism forced the story of Bristol’s pregnancy into the fore, and how differently it was handled than crackpot conspiracy theories on the Right:

Also, it’s important to remember why the Palin family even acknowledged Bristol’s pregnancy: Because a thousand “liberal” Web sites, led by Daily Kos, the favored site of leftist Democrats, filled cyberspace with off-the-wall theories that Trig Palin was really Bristol’s child and that Sarah had faked her own pregnancy. This was truly ugly territory, and nutty besides. It’s not terribly different from the Obama-is-a-secret-Muslim-not-born-in-this-country stuff, with one crucial distinction: The Obama Muslim stuff was either debunked or ignored by the media –not the conspiracy theories about Trig Palin’s birth. In some quarters of the evolving new media - The Huffington Post and Bill Maher’s HBO program, to name two - the Palin pregnancy hoax was repeated. Some traditional outlets, including Vanity Fair and, most inexplicably, The Atlantic blog written by Andrew Sullivan, kept hammering away at it after it was proven false by photographic evidence and by Bristol’s own pregnancy.

Taranto noted the bile spewed specifically at Palin’s infant son Trig:

Palin-haters have been unusually uninhibited in their cruel mockery of the governor’s children, particularly Bristol and Trig. HotAir.com’s “Allahpundit” notes that Palin’s resignation moved one Erik Nelson to write a Puffington Host post titled “Palin Will Run in ‘12 on More Retardation Platform.” (Trig Palin has Down’s syndrome.)

Nelson thought better of the post, pulled it, and offered an apology. He should have apologized for being unoriginal. Last September the Onion published a fake op-ed attributed to Palin, lauding “my vote-stealing retard baby.”

Amanda Carpenter noted not only the attacks on Palin’s oldest daughter but also the violence, criminality and abuse of legal process produced by the Palin-haters:

Daughter Bristol Palin’s relationship with her baby’s father, Levi, has been ripped open for public consumption in the aftermath as he’s appeared on “The Tyra Banks Show” to discuss his sexual experiences with her and was seen shirtless in the pages of GQ magazine. When Bristol attempted to become a spokeswoman for abstinence, based on her experience as a teenage mother, she was pilloried as a hypocrite and mouthpiece for her power-hungry mother.

In the midst of the election season, Mrs. Palin’s personal e-mail account was hacked by the son of a Democratic Tennessee representative. Then, an arsonist set her hometown church on fire in December.

Mrs. Palin has fended off 15 ethics complaints since last fall, costing her at least $500,000 in legal bills, according to her aides. Most of the complaints would be considered frivolous by most reasonable measures, filed by state-based liberal bloggers for things like wearing a jacket made by a company who sponsored her husband’s snow machine races to a public event and conducting television interviews in her state-provided office.

Ben Voth drives home the point about the church-burning in particular - the culprits for which have never been apprehended - which led Palin to apologize to her fellow congregants for the negative attention her career brought down on them:

A public figure openly called for Palin to be raped during the campaign. Months after the losing campaign was over, a major comedian joked about the fictitious rape of one of her daughters. Immediately after the election, her church was burned. It’s fairly difficult to reconcile this ‘heat’ as something conventional in politics. In fact, there might be some good reason to collectively indict Palin critics for their silent complicity.

This would go a long way to explain why many in the public seem more drawn to Palin after the resignation and the absurd media reactions to it. Keep in mind that these incidents remain unrepented public attacks. The media refused to offer much comment on the burning of Palin’s church — a silence which conveyed an implied endorsement of that attack. Imagine if Obama had lost the election and Jeremiah Wright’s church had been burned. Where would the punditry be?

Meanwhile, the NY Times noted the relentless strain the media attention put on Bristol:

Paparazzi regularly stalked the family, once ambushing Bristol Palin when she arrived with her newborn and her father at the Beehive beauty salon. Mr. Palin was forced to wait for her in the car with Bristol’s baby, Tripp, whose image was fetching a particularly high tabloid bounty.

If Bristol Palin was avoiding the limelight, her estranged boyfriend was seeking it. Mr. Johnston appeared bare-chested in GQ magazine holding Tripp. He told the talk show host Tyra Banks that he was certain Ms. Palin knew his relationship with her teenage daughter had been sexual.

Then, of course, there was the highly-publicized flap with David Letterman:

During his opening monologue on CBS’ “Late Night” Monday, Letterman poked fun at Palin’s visit with her family to a New York Yankees game this past weekend. “There was one awkward moment during the seventh inning stretch,” Letterman said. “Her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”

Letterman also said the hardest part about the Palins’ trip to New York was “keeping [former New York Gov.] Eliot Spitzer away from her daughter.”

Presumably, Letterman thought it was OK to make sex jokes about Bristol - really, does she deserve that? would you feel the same way if she was your daughter going through young single motherhood after a teen pregnancy? - but he misfired badly, as Palin was accompanied by 14-year-old Willow at the game. (Letterman also took the kind of potshot no liberal politician would be forced to endure, cracking that Palin “was in New York to pick up some ’slutty flight attendant’ lipstick.”). Palin, predictably, went nuclear, and ultimately forced an apology from Letterman, but once again she was off spending time defending her daughters from the national media.

Ross Douthat sums up the nature of the attacks on Palin:

Here are lessons of the Sarah Palin experience, for any aspiring politician who shares her background and her sex. Your children will go through the tabloid wringer. Your religion will be mocked and misrepresented. Your political record will be distorted, to better parody your family and your faith. (And no, gentle reader, Palin did not insist on abstinence-only sex education, slash funds for special-needs children or inject creationism into public schools.)

Male commentators will attack you for parading your children. Female commentators will attack you for not staying home with them. You’ll be sneered at for how you talk and how many colleges you attended. You’ll endure gibes about your “slutty” looks and your “white trash concupiscence,” while a prominent female academic declares that your “greatest hypocrisy” is the “pretense” that you’re a woman. And eight months after the election, the professionals who pressed you into the service of a gimmicky, dreary, idea-free campaign will still be blaming you for their defeat.

All of this had something to do with ordinary partisan politics. But it had everything to do with Palin’s gender and her social class.

As the TIME profile notes, Palin closely followed and insisted on a response to every attack hurled her way. It’s the polar opposite of George W. Bush’s attitude, which for 9 years (including the 2000 campaign) was to ignore criticism almost entirely. The upside of Bush’s approach was confident and steady leadership; the downside was a complete abdication of the field of public debate to his enemies, and an emboldening of them (if no charge would be answered, there was no downside in making the most inflammatory or spurious of charges). Palin’s push-back-on-everything view, however, has its own costs, as it entangles the leader herself in personally absorbing every body blow. A more logical division of labor is for the candidate to hire people who do the daily work of fighting back, as long as they’re given enough information to fight back with.

The second prong of the attacks that brought down Palin was the abuse by left-wing bloggers of Alaska’s wide-open system (previously supported, ironically, by Palin herself) allowing almost anyone to file an ethics complaint against the Governor that would automatically trigger a costly and distracting investigation. Martin A. Knight has looked in detail at how this system was gamed by left-wing bloggers, sometimes pseudonymously, and the more than $500,000 in legal bills it imposed on the Palin family, in addition to the costs to Alaska taxpayers as the Governor’s legal staff was swamped by the assault. The ethics charges against Palin were all unsuccessful and generally frivolous, but that wasn’t the point; the effort to taint her good name and bankrupt her financially was. As TIME noted:

Since the election in November, Palin has been hit with at least 10 ethics complaints for such alleged offenses as allowing her picture to be used to promote Alaskan fisheries and wearing a logo on her snowmobile gear. One complaint was filed under a pseudonym borrowed from a British soap opera. Most were quickly dismissed. And yet, Palin says, she arrived at the conclusion that there would always be more and that the complaints would consume her remaining time as governor.

Followers of Palin’s Twitter feed in recent months would have to notice that her most enthusiastic posts involved the dismissal of these various complaints. The ethics complaint machinery was even used to block Palin from accessing funds raised to defray her legal expenses:

While the defense fund has raised more than $250,000, according to its trustee, the money cannot be spent pending resolution of an ethics complaint that contends that the contributions could amount to improper gifts.

That financial strain, unknown to most national politicians, put hardship on her family as well:

Her husband, Todd, her most trusted adviser, was spending less time at her side both because they needed money from his oil industry job, friends say, and because questions had been raised about whether he had been too involved at the Capitol.

The bogus ethics complaint machinery has rolled onward, as witness her attorney’s statement on the 18th and 19th ethics complaints filed against Palin:

When Governor Palin announced that she would be resigning, in part, because of the unusual number of frivolous ethics complaints burdening the state of Alaska, that was not intended to be an invitation to file more frivolous ethics complaints. Not everyone got the message. As if to underscore the Governor’s point, two more frivolous complaints were filed this week.

For example, Raymond A. Ward (DOB 1947), has apparently filed a state ethics complaint (No. 19) incorrectly alleging that the Governor has appeared on “television and radio variety shows earning and accepting money for personal and private use on state time.” These allegations are categorically false. Though signed under “penalty of purgery” (sic) it is apparent that Mr. Ward has no factual basis for the statements he has made.

Governor Palin has never been paid an appearance fee or received other remuneration from any “television or radio” show. She has not been paid for any media interview. The allegations made by Mr. Ward have no basis in truth.

In releasing the complaint publicly today, Mr. Ward violated the confidentiality provision of the Ethics Act.

All of this is on top of the campaign of innumerable falsehoods flung at Palin daily through the campaign, such as when Elisabeth Bumiller of the New York Times reported falsely that Palin had belonged to an Alaskan third party without bothering to consult voter registration records showing that she’s been a registered Republican since being old enough to vote. The Left keeps up the campaign of deliberate smears even now, inventing a story that Palin was resigning under an FBI investigation, which an FBI spokesman unequivocally denied:

“There is absolutely no truth to those rumors that we’re investigating her or getting ready to indict her,” Special Agent Eric Gonzalez said in a phone interview Saturday. “It’s just not true.” He added that there was “no wiggle room” in his comments for any kind of inquiry.

The FBI story was spread with deliberate malice by many left-wing blogs; it had no basis in fact, but who cares? And no line of attack was too petty; when Palin Tweeted that Todd “left fishing grnds to join me this wkend; but now he’s back slaying salmon & working the kids @ the site; anxious to join ‘em!,” left-wing Washington Post writer Greg Sargent, his sensibilities strained to breaking by the thought of salmon fishing, sniped that she was “looking forward to spending more time with my family killing animals.” Perhaps the most amusingly baroque theory was a radio caller to Al Sharpton’s show who suggested that Palin was dropping out because she had murdered Michael Jackson. Sharpton called the theory “interesting.”

Naturally, the Palin camp suspects that the blog and media assault is more coordinated than it appears:

“A lot of this comes from Washington, D.C. The trail is pretty direct and pretty obvious to us,” says Meg Stapleton, a close Palin adviser in Alaska. Awaiting a flight back to Anchorage from distant Dillingham, Stapleton adds that the anti-Palin offensive seems lifted straight from The Thumpin’, which describes the political strategies of Rahm Emanuel, who is now the White House chief of staff. “It’s the Sarah Palin playbook. It’s how they operate,” Stapleton says.

Palin and her Alaska circle find evidence for their suspicions about the White House in the person of Pete Rouse, who lived in Juneau for a time before he became chief of staff to a young U.S. Senator named Barack Obama. Rouse, they note, is a friend of former Alaska state senator Kim Elton, who pushed the first ethics investigation of Palin, examining her controversial firing of the state’s public-safety commissioner. Both Rouse and Elton have joined the Obama Administration.

Regardless of the source, at the end of the day, all of this presents something of an ethical conundrum for the Right: whether to find a way to disarm these kinds of assaults, or failing that, to imitate them. Either way, it won’t stop until the other side has a downside for continuing in this vein. The history of national politics suggests, unfortunately, that the latter is more usually the path taken: after absorbing years of harrassing Independent Counsel investigations and a bogus sexual harrassment flap, the Right turned those same weapons on Bill Clinton. After Newt Gingrich mastered the machinery of House Ethics complaints to bring down Speaker Jim Wright, the same machinery was used to help topple Newt. The Right will have a decision to make: whether to make like villians on “24″ and adopt the war of personal attrition against family members used by the left-wing blogs, or accept that some punches should not be thrown and some playing fields simply can’t be leveled. Neither choice is an appealing one, and for now at least the fact that the Right lacks the paid online 24/7 resources of the Left suggests that it is not even capable of the former. But in time, that worm may turn, and it’s hard to see how anything in the world of politics will be improved as a result.

As for Palin herself, she remains a galvanizing figure who commands attention with every move, and we have almost certainly not heard the last of her. There are many ways for her to contribute to the public debate - op-eds, TV appearances, maybe a TV or radio show, book deals - and most of them are not fettered by Alaska’s Lilliputian ethics system, while staying outside of public office and formal campaigning may make it easier to shield Palin’s children from further abuse. Ironically, less time spent governing Alaska may give her more time to study and reflect on national politics. Only a fool would count her out of the political scene entirely, especially in today’s volatile populist climate. But it’s hard to see her as a serious presidential contender in the future. Presidents have to put all other things aside for their jobs, even their families. Maybe Barack Obama has broken the mold of requiring presidents to have some relevant experience, and maybe her primary opponent in 2012 would be a one-term Governor (Mitt Romney), but at the end of the day, a one-term governor who didn’t even finish her term is not a credible presidential contender.

My reaction to Palin’s decision, the more I think about it, is in some ways the opposite of my reaction to Mark Sanford. Palin has been a deep disappointment politically - she could have accomplished a lot more. Those of us who saw in her toughness, combativeness and joyful presence on the campaign trail a possible President are inevitably disappointed, as we’ve been disappointed again and again by Republicans - Sanford, Rudy, Fred, McCain, Romney - who one way or another always seemed to lack the fire to take the battle to the other side day in and day out for the cause. But as a human being, she walks away a success in a way that few people in Washington can contemplate, and few of her detractors could ever relate to. The salmon are biting, the sun is shining, the kids are playing, and the road is rising before her, and she’s going where she’s needed. If that’s the epitaph for good, decent mothers in politics, well, we’re a smaller, meaner nation for it.


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I assume you writing this and not reading her op-ed of today?

Tbone Tuesday, July 14th at 1:25PM EDT (link)

While I seem to like most of her political positions, my excitement about her is that she can command the floor at anytime to espouse them. This is compared to every other Republican having to start a discourse with “Me, me, me, over here, me, me, me.

She can get op-eds in the the WP, appear on any cable news program any time, the Sunday circuit at will, draw sell out crowds anywhere and raise tons of money.

You want to see a fool? Just look at the person who says she isn’t MILES ahead of where Obama was in July 2005.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Had most of this in the can

Dan McLaughlin Tuesday, July 14th at 1:48PM EDT (link)

before that op-ed, which Moe covered well enough this morning.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

 
 

Thank you for a well written and thought out diary...nt

JadedByPolitics Tuesday, July 14th at 1:27PM EDT (link)

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

 

A very perceptive and thorough writing, Dan.

penguin2 Tuesday, July 14th at 1:30PM EDT (link)

I think you said it all. I do think there still could be a future elected office for Sarah, but I see that happening in 2016 or beyond. It makes a lot more sense to me now.

“They that know no joy but the destruction of good people” is a powerful statement. I had either heard it before or something like it. Do you have a reference for it? It sound biblical. Thanks.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin

Just riffin'

Dan McLaughlin Tuesday, July 14th at 1:47PM EDT (link)

but I’m sure there’s an antecedent somewhere.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

 

Larger issue than Palin

Princeliberty Wednesday, July 15th at 10:05AM EDT (link)

The media elite and hard left really need some serious therapy when it comes to Palin.

It just beyond reason the way they react to her. I think Ann Coulter is right that a lot of liberal women are jealous to death of her for obvious reason and that a lot of the liberal men don’t like women that much.

But you also right that it judging Palin running for President its not all about 2012.

She is 45 and very fit and healthy 45. So barring some tragedy she probably could run for President anytime she chooses in the next 30 years.

So Palin still has a future and considering how much time is on her side waiting past 2012 probably is in her best interests.

But it remains to be seen.

Princeliberty

 
 

At least, she admits her weakness, her family. But that's highly RESPECTABLE compared to the weakness of the rest. NT

Rod_Patrick Tuesday, July 14th at 2:00PM EDT (link)

Desperately seeking anyone but Sarah

katesmith Tuesday, July 14th at 2:02PM EDT (link)

The primary issue is that laws currently in place allow the kinds of frivolous lawsuits that were brought. Some were filed by a republican, Andree McCleod. The citizens of Alaska had already paid $2 million for these suits. The Governor may at some point in the future address changes in laws that allow this type of activity. as the Soros-type lawsuit happy mechanism will become more popular. If you can’t beat someone on the merits, just keep filing lawsuits. Secondly, there were family issues of course.. As this post does, many would like to make it about ’she can’t take the heat,’and now Sarah is politically dead. And of course how deeply disappointing her resignation was. It’s the script her enemies hope will be bought by the general public.

Exactly

emgbane Wednesday, July 15th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

Thank you for your comment you completely nailed it.

 
 

Ok just finished this tome...Great Job Dan!!....nt

Aaron Gardner Tuesday, July 14th at 2:21PM EDT (link)

Aaron’s Archive

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

 

Good piece Dan

Darin_H Tuesday, July 14th at 2:33PM EDT (link)

We need to “put one of theirs in the morgue” so to speak. You think they won’t stop? They think they got Palin because of their attacks on her family, so they’re certainly not going to stop now. I don’t know what it means for our side in attacking, but attack we must.

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At the risk of sounding unoriginal, fantastic diary, Dan!

aesthete Tuesday, July 14th at 2:43PM EDT (link)

I pretty much share your sentiments, and the reiteration of the various slurs and attacks on Sarah Palin from the left really puts things in perspective concerning the relative decency of the two parties and ideologies in America.

Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand

“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC

 

Excellent, thoughtful, and well-reasoned diary, Dan!

eburke Tuesday, July 14th at 3:05PM EDT (link)

Outstanding piece of writing as you delineated the vile, vicious, unprecendented attacks on Sarah and her family without crossing the line into deification of her.

Don’t know how this will play out over the next 3 years, but whether she runs for President or not, Sarah strikes me as being one of the few Pubs out there who, when punched in the nose, isn’t afraid to respond with a left hook and an uppercut. For that alone I respect and admire her.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

 

Mr. McLaughlin- This is more of a swipe at Palin than it is a defense against the Scum

Scope Tuesday, July 14th at 3:27PM EDT (link)

You really could have saved alot of typespace in just saying that you are of the opinion that Palin isn’t ready for prime-time now, or possibly ever. I don’t think there are many, especially here at RS, that haven’t already read everything you quoted above. The only reason I can see for your reguritation of all the garbage written and said about Palin, is just to keep it alive and well, and in the publics memory. It’s the old tactic that if you keep saying something enough, people will start to believe it. Maybe you were reposting that crap for the benefit of the newbies?

You seem to be of the belief that Palin “quit” because she couldn’t take the heat/hate said about her and her family. You go so far as to say that Republicans, that have families, should all beware, because this will be the scum’s tactic to get rid of all Republicans. Really. Are you throwing that out there as a way to get rid of those you don’t particularly care for? You needen’t have bothered to add all the obligatory nice things, in defending her or anyone against the “scum” as you have called them. I see this as a veil over what I think are your true motives in publishing this diary. Had you stayed on the topic of vile attacks from the most vile of people, you would have gained my respect, not that that matters much.

If you, or anyone, would look back at Palin’s life and times in politics, you would see that Palin has been in the hot seat since she got started. If she were so sensitive to attacks from the media, and her opponents in Alaskan politics, she would have folded long ago. From all of my reading, Alaskan politics has been particularly viscious for a long time. I don’t buy for a minute the Palin couldn’t take the heat angle.

I have no doubt that Palin will remain in your hot kitchen, despite what you think of her, when you turn on your TV and hear her stumping for Conservative candidates here in the lower 48.

Not that Dan needs my help, Scope, but did we

eburke Tuesday, July 14th at 3:38PM EDT (link)

just read the same diary?

Speaking as someone who admires Sarah, doesn’t believe she’s *necessarily* the 2nd Coming of RR, but who also doesn’t believe that she necessarily out of the running for POTUS if that’s where she’s headed, this has got to be one of the most even-handed posts I’ve read here in the last 2 weeks re: Sarah.

Dan spilled *plenty* of ink recounting (and sympathizing with) the vile manner in which she’s been treated. And recognizing that the Allinsky playbook has possibly claimed another victim isn’t exactly the same thing as lauding it and promoting it.

The only ‘negative’ aspect of this diary for Sarah was his *opinion* that he thinks she’s severely damaged her political future. You and I may disagree with that assessment, but it’s not exactly the kind of assessment and opinion that strains credulity.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

eburke- I would be willing to appologize if I thought that I miread McLaughlin's intent

Scope Tuesday, July 14th at 7:42PM EDT (link)

but, I don’t think I was off the mark. I may have just stated my opinion in a manner that was snarky, but, not incorrect. There can be no doubt that Mr. McLaughlin intended to make his biggest points with saying that Palin left because of her “being ground down by the media.” He took the little part of the speech, where she spoke of her family, and, in his second sentence said, “her disorganized “you won’t have Sarah Palin to kick aroung anymore” speech” and ignored the bulk of her speech. That is his opinion, and he can speak freely with his opinion, as we currently still honor, and applaud free speech. For me, that was cherry picking, in order to prove that his opinion is valid. I just don’t understand why anyone would have to reguritate all of the negative Palin things that were posted/written/said in order to make your point, in an abstract manner. David Hines correctly said that when another diary was coming on for a particular candiate in the primaries, it should have had a warning- INCOMING. I see Mr. McLaughlin’s diary as one that should have been prefaced with OUTGOING. In my opinion, Mr. McLaughlin’s diary is just another part of the “circular firing squad” that exists in the Republican/Conservative party today. You don’t have to support Palin, but, you also don’t need to participate in the Democrat talking points.

I have said repeatedly on Redstate that I will await Palin’s moves in the near future, am hopeful that she will campaign for/support good Conservative candidates. I have no idea if she will do all that is necessary to help take the House and Senate back from Liberal control, but currently there is a vaccum in Leadership in the Republican Party. If she can help in any way, to take the country back from the fast track to Socialism/Marxism then more power to her. My gripe is more with those that have already written her off, as Mr. McLaughlin has, than those that are willing to have a “wait and see” attitude.

So basically you cherry picked a piece of Dan's article out and decided to bash him for it...

Aaron Gardner Tuesday, July 14th at 8:27PM EDT (link)

Which is exactly what you claim he did to Palin…well done.

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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

 
 
 

You just can't please some people....nt

Aaron Gardner Tuesday, July 14th at 3:38PM EDT (link)

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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Apparently not...nt

eburke Tuesday, July 14th at 6:58PM EDT (link)

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

eburke and Aaron- Apparently Mr. McLaughlins diary didn't please

Scope Tuesday, July 14th at 7:52PM EDT (link)

Standard Candle or Flagstaff either. They were just able to state their arguments more eloquently than I.

Actually, StandardCandle's reply indicated that he

eburke Tuesday, July 14th at 7:59PM EDT (link)

agreed w/Dan and, since his reply was to your post, I interpreted it as saying, in the end, that you were being overly sensitive to what was in the original post. But I’ll leave that for SC to defend…or not.

By biggest problem with your post was crystallized by something you wrote in your response to me upthread which is that you were reading Dan’s ‘intent’. I’ve found that trying to devine intent often places one on rather thin ice. If you disagree with his conclusion/opinion as to what this all means for Sarah’s political future, that is one thing. To definitively state that he purposely attempted to reignite a flame war based on your read of his intent - mmmm….might not want to go there.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

eburke- have you read SC's comments downthread?

Scope Tuesday, July 14th at 8:47PM EDT (link)

He very well may have thought I was being overly sensitive to the McLaughlin diary in his “reply to” comment to me. He makes his case, very clearly in his post at 3:55. Again, he makes the same case I did , however, much more eloquently than I did. Again, I am not a Palinbot, but, I am also one who is not willing to write her off yet. Again, this post was participating in the Republican/Conservative circular firing squad. Rather than agreeing that “I” can never be pleased, you honor and applaud one who apprently has ulterior motives with this diary. Great, that will get us far in 2010!

yeah...you mean the comment titled "Great Post Dan...Nailed it."...

Aaron Gardner Tuesday, July 14th at 8:51PM EDT (link)

I don’t see the similarity at all.

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my friend...

StandardCandle Wednesday, July 15th at 8:38AM EDT (link)

which part of

I think its wise to wait and see what Palin says and does concerning that matter, rather than picking a bone to fight over with a well respected Redstate contributor.

didn’t you understand?

I don’t think Dan has ever had “ulterior” motives… that’s quite an accusation.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 
 
 

What's your point Scope??

Aaron Gardner Tuesday, July 14th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

Was my post incorrect? Were you pleased but just didn’t want to show it so you bash Dan? What exactly are you objecting to in my post that eburke replied to?

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actually it was quite pleasing...

StandardCandle Wednesday, July 15th at 2:56AM EDT (link)

As indicated below…

“Great Post Dan… nailed it.”

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 
 
 
 

it's not about her not being able to take the heat...

StandardCandle Tuesday, July 14th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

But two things seem to explain most logically Palin’s behavior: she was ground down by the unusually vitriolic campaign waged against her, and the aspect of that campaign that did the most damage was the attacks on her children.

Although I can’t speak for Dan, I assume he’s talking about the “unusually vitriolic” ethics complaints meant to bankrupt her personally…

and the fact that the media attacks were crossing the line and going after her children…

Palin herself said in a post-election interview that when people are going after her children that’s what hurts and she suggested that coming after her was legitimate… but she gets protective when they go after her kids…

as Dan pointed out…

We have simply never seen anything like the targeting of Palin’s children, under a variety of flimsy pretenses that no mother would ever accept as a basis for going after her kids.

I think you may be taking the issue of her ‘12 candidacy option very personal…

I think its wise to wait and see what Palin says and does concerning that matter, rather than picking a bone to fight over with a well respected Redstate contributor.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 
 

great post Dan... nailed it.

StandardCandle Tuesday, July 14th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

Only a fool would count her out of the political scene entirely, especially in today’s volatile populist climate. But it’s hard to see her as a serious presidential contender in the future. Presidents have to put all other things aside for their jobs, even their families.

Palin has demonstrated that her family is involved in the political life decision making process. I’m happy to see this as a pro-family advocate.

also

Palin has been a deep disappointment politically - she could have accomplished a lot more. Those of us who saw in her toughness, combativeness and joyful presence on the campaign trail a possible President are inevitably disappointed, as we’ve been disappointed again and again by Republicans - Sanford, Rudy, Fred, McCain, Romney - who one way or another always seemed to lack the fire to take the battle to the other side day in and day out for the cause.

I’m curious about your take on the “one way or another” concerning Fred and Mitt? Rudy/Sanford/McCain are obvious.

As for Palin being a disappointment… if I could give one constructive criticism of her, it would be, “don’t be so quick to answer a gotcha question with a cynical attitude”… other than that I don’t really think she’s disappointed me in any way… she is a woman of integrity… I for one want to see more integrity in politicians… I think she will be quite active in the political arena as a policy analyst offering op-eds like today’s…

As for speculation on her presidential candidacy hopes… I don’t think its wise to speculate… as her family will be involved in that decision, and she’s proven to be wise in making political decisions that leave the door open…

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

Fred & Mitt

Dan McLaughlin Tuesday, July 14th at 6:09PM EDT (link)

I would have assumed Fred was obvious. He was a reluctant candidate and just never went all-out the way you have to to win.

As for Mitt, we needed him to stay and fight in MA. He bailed on his state when it was in the middle of fights on a battery of key issues, and abandoned it to the likes of Deval Patrick. That decision was and remains my single largest gripe with Romney. You want to run for president, you don’t leave your own state in the lurch after one term.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

thanks for the clarification...

StandardCandle Wednesday, July 15th at 9:00AM EDT (link)

although I see your point on Fred… I don’t view him as a disappointment. I think he was pushed into the primary process against his will by friends and associates begging him to enter the race. I can’t really remember the details… but wasn’t there some legal concerns about his entering the race?… I like Fred either way, but I’m not convinced he can win a presidential race at this point.

According to Mitt he made some sort of campaign promise for one term, but I can’t find any reference… but either way, even if he had attempted to run for re-election, I don’t think he would have won, and possibly would have caused some major issues for the GOP in Massachussets… as for suggesting that he left the state “in the lurch”… let’s be realistic… It’s Massachusetts… they’ve been “in the lurch” for over a decade and a half.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 

Then you should praise Palin

emgbane Wednesday, July 15th at 11:07AM EDT (link)

So you should not be disappointed in Governor Palin, since she her actions place Sean Parnell in a strong position. By turning the reins over to him in July he will be able to set an agenda for the upcoming legislative session, and if he does well he will be in strong position to run as an incumbent Governor with his own record to stand upon in 2011.

Moreover, Governor Palin can use her popularity in Alaska to promote Sean Parnell’s legislative agenda in the Alaska media without facing ethics complaints like she faced when supporting a ballot initiative early this year.

 
 
 

If there were a Hall of Fame for blog entries,

Flagstaff Tuesday, July 14th at 6:01PM EDT (link)

the research, exposition and style on this one would merit an “Honorable Mention,” at least. (^;^)

I’d have been even more enthusiastic, but for a couple of instances.

she was ground down by the unusually vitriolic campaign waged against her, and the aspect of that campaign that did the most damage was the attacks on her children.

You’re welcome to infer that reason for her action as you did, but the words she used during her resignation speech, which you quote, don’t support it. She earlier gave several other facts as reasons for her resignation, but being “worn down” by the campaign against her wasn’t one of them. And the statement regarding her family’s vote on her decision to resign,

“Want me to make a positive difference and fight for ALL our children’s future from OUTSIDE the Governor’s office?” It was four “yes’s” and one “hell yeah!” The “hell yeah” sealed it - and someday I’ll talk about the details of that…I think much of it had to do with the kids seeing their baby brother Trig mocked by some pretty mean-spirited adults recently.)

was phrased as how they felt about her decision and one reason why they felt that way, not as a reason for her decision. This may be a minor point, but it’s a minor point that is repeatedly misconstrued or missed by her detractors.

Another small point:

Presidents have to put all other things aside for their jobs, even their families.

Yes they do. Fortunately, Presidents have more resources that make such priority-setting a bit easier than do Governors. For example, nobody seems to care that President Obama takes his wife and childre to the G8. (Did W. do the same? I can remember Ike taking flak for having grandson David go with him to the President’s retreat in the Catoctin Mountains {which was later named “Camp David” by Ike}). But for Palin to take her husband and children to the National Governors’ Conference would result in another ethics accusation. I don’t believe she said anything like, “I’m resigning to spend more time with my family.” But in any event it appears to me that Sarah Palin has determined that her most important job is to advance the conservative cause and to survive, not to swat flies as the Governor of Alaska. It was a courageous decision that wasn’t forced. It was the highest form of leadership. Criticism on this issue is simply misdirected.

Your final paragraph includes two interesting statements.

My reaction to Palin’s decision, the more I think about it, is in some ways the opposite of my reaction to Mark Sanford. Palin has been a deep disappointment politically - she could have accomplished a lot more. Those of us who saw in her toughness, combativeness and joyful presence on the campaign trail a possible President are inevitably disappointed, as we’ve been disappointed again and again by Republicans… who one way or another always seemed to lack the fire to take the battle to the other side day in and day out for the cause.

and

But as a human being, she walks away a success in a way that few people in Washington can contemplate, and few of her detractors could ever relate to.

Besides the fact that Mark Sanford is both a political and personal disappointment, I don’t understand how Palin could be considered to fit the mold of political disappointment. She has succeeded in all her political endeavors–even as Governor of Alaska. She listed some of her accomplishments in her speech. Lt. Gov. Parnell says that she accomplished more in under two years than most Alaska Governors do in a full term. Hyperbole, maybe, but at least possible. Are you disappointed because you think she deserted you? I think she’s gathering reinforcements to continue the battle from a stronger position.

And finally, what kind of candidate do we want to field? One who always does the predictable Republican thing? Or the kind about whom you can say “as a human being, she walks away a success in a way that few people in Washington can contemplate….”

These are all small complaints on my part. You did a great job (as always) and wrote a very informative and entertaining piece with plenty of relevant links. I look forward to following the rest of them.

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I don't buy it, Dan.

Achance Tuesday, July 14th at 6:20PM EDT (link)

It is well known that I’m no fan of Gov. Palin in her role as governor of my state. One thing

In Vino Veritas

Somehow, I hit post. con't.

Achance Tuesday, July 14th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

even I’ve never said about her is that she isn’t a tough cookie; she can dish it and she can take it. She was hearing most of this stuff about herself, Todd, and the kids for almost two years before anyone in the National media even knew who she was. The stuff about Trig being Bristol’s kid was floating around here almost from the day she announced she was pregnant with him. The National media sure didn’t dream up much in the way of new bad things to say about her, and she and her family had heard most of it before. Only Bristol’s pregnancy on National TV and the reaction to it was much of a new thing.

Gov. Palin has greatly overstated her own actual, personal costs for the ethics complaints and her minions have greatly overstated the State’s actual cost increment as well as, I believe, the actual cost. I’ve been on the receiving end of hundreds of Public Records Act and collective bargaining information requests under Alaska law. I know how much they cost and I know how to make them look like they cost a lot more, especially if I’m trying to make you write a check for many thousands of dollars to the government before I even start looking for what you want. It’s kinda’ like the discovery game, having to answer a big, expensive discovery request really clarifies how serious someone is.

Essentially, the campaign showed Sarah Palin how much she could be worth as a National political figure. She can’t do that and be Governor of Alaska; the Ethics Act is too restrictive, the campaign finance laws are draconia, and Anchorage is two thousand miles from the nearest major TV market and four time zones from NY and DC. Sarah Palin sees and opportunity to do well by doing good, at least what she sees as good, and is jumping on it. Resigning made her “free to move about the Country” and potentially to make a whole bunch of money. In the words of an old song, How you gonna keep ‘em down on the farm after they’ve seen Paree?

In Vino Veritas

I think that's the first comment I've seen from you on the subject, Art.

Flagstaff Tuesday, July 14th at 7:21PM EDT (link)

Interesting. I can’t disagree from way down here, nor would I want to.

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You should see my Sarah Palin rumor collection,

Achance Tuesday, July 14th at 9:55PM EDT (link)

all of it, of course, from highly placed, impeccably reliable, anonymous sources. Did I tell you the one about … ?

It’s not my first, but it is one of few. The whole subject has become tiresome, I think Hinz is right that we need something of a moratorium, and I just can’t wait until July 26th.

In Vino Veritas

It's hard to figure what else might be said.

Flagstaff Wednesday, July 15th at 12:04AM EDT (link)

Kidnapped by space aliens? Little green men from Mars in the family tree?

Let’s not go there. Sorry.

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Art, if Sarah helps put the kibosh on Cap and Tax

Section9 Wednesday, July 15th at 12:06AM EDT (link)

…then you’ll have reason to like her for once.

And if she helps to defeat National Health Care, you may come to like her even more.

Who knows, maybe it’s her time to really make a difference and she doesn’t even quite realize it yet.

“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill

 
 
 

With all due respect, Art

Dan McLaughlin Wednesday, July 15th at 1:54AM EDT (link)

I know you know the scene better than I do, but really, the burden on her family can’t be compared to what it was a year or two ago, before Trig, before Bristol got pregnant, when the attention was purely local and not saturated into the popular culture. That’s a burden on the family that has clearly been taking a lot out of Palin. We agree she’s a tough lady who would not back down for anything thrown at her personally, but a woman’s children are different.

As a litigator, I am intimately familar with the elasticity of cost estimates for discovery, but either she has out of pocket legal fees or she does not.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

I think the local is worse because it is people you know.

Achance Wednesday, July 15th at 10:42AM EDT (link)

All of Alaska is just a big small town and everybody knows everybody. Hearing the whispers at the beauty shop in Wasilla, or Fletcher’s Bar at the Captain Cook in Anchorage, or at the Baranof Hotel in Juneau is, to me and I think to most, far worse than hearing it from some disembodied media creature. And, frankly, there’s a lot to be said in political life for having the right people say bad things about you, the Castrati Media has had even me sympathizing with her from time to time. Some huge percentage of her loyalist following is predicated soley on her having been so viciously attacked, because they don’t have a clue what she actually has done or has stood for.

Either she got some bad advice, made some bad personal choices, or was trying to hide or protect something or someone on the Monegan-Wooten matter and on the email discovery. Without rewriting a bunch of stuff I’ve already written here, when it came to light, all she had to do was ask the AG for a determination as to whether her actions towards Monegan were withing the scope of her duties and authority. On his determination that they were, Sen. Elton’s little kangaroo court would have been confronting the Executive Branch of the Alaska government, not Sarah Palin, individual, and history, as well as her legal bills would have been very different. Likewise, if the complaint has the money to stick it out against the State or has an attorney that wants his special place in the Pacific Reporter, she’s ultimately going to lose the fight over supressing those emails. She brought that on herself by cavilierly saying how open and transparent she and her administration were and inviting inquiry, only to have to begin backtracking and trying to suppress stuff that she for some reason doesn’t want to come out. If the question gets there, there is NO way the AKSC will conclude that any public officer or employee has any right to privacy or confidentiality in any communication made in the course of their duties except under a couple of very, very explicit privileges, none of which apply here.

And, as a litigator, you also know that quite often the published and quoted in the paper legal fees aren’t the fees actually being charged to the client, especially a close or powerful client for whom you are performing a great service. And, whatever the actual legal bills, the legal defense fund seems to have worked pretty well for her.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 

Sarah

molonlabe28 Tuesday, July 14th at 6:27PM EDT (link)

I enjoyed the well-written Sarah manifesto, but I disagree with the last 2 paragraphs.

Sarah is ALL that the GOP has and I expect to see her as a foil to Obama, Pelosi and Reid as the national debt mounts to unsustainable limits and as taxes and inflation go through the roof.

I was initially upset she quit, but now I think that it was brilliant.

It certainly keeps the Democrats off balance.

"ALL that the GOP has"

lthurwitz Wednesday, July 15th at 2:15AM EDT (link)

I think (or at least HOPE) that there will be one or two rising stars in the party so Sarah isn’t all we have. Unfortunately, I don’t know from where they will rise. But I think it will not be Romney, Jindal, Newt, Fred, or any of the others that we’ve seen so far. I think it will have to be a fresh face with compelling ideas and the spark that draws people to do the ground work. Palin has that for a certain segment, but I think it’s not enough.

 
 

dead? Just following the leaders....

loupgarou1317 Tuesday, July 14th at 6:58PM EDT (link)

Just wait and see…..I think she has done the ONE thing the “left” was NOT wanting her to do…….The “Hockey Mom” Pit Bull (if she chooses) has been let off the leash! Another thing did we forget that little ol’ Barry DID THE SAME THING IN THE SENATE and Clinton DID THE SAME THING IN MY STATE! The “left” will be made to rue the day!

 

perhaps, the end of the beginning...

jcincy Tuesday, July 14th at 7:26PM EDT (link)

“Palin has been a deep disappointment politically - she could have accomplished a lot more.” — Dan McLaughlin, July, 2009

“Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” — Winston Churchill, November, 1942

I think we’ve only read the first few chapters of this book.

Sarah Palin no longer has the desire hold the title “Governor of Alaska”, because as she clearly stated, she can no longer govern Alaska effectively.

What a breath of fresh air.

The DNC calls it “bizarre”.

I’d say many of this nation’s elected and appointed officials no longer do their jobs effectively, yet they hang on to their titles with everything ounce of their bitter lives (Kennedy, Byrd, & Biden come to mind).

But I believe there is a principle at work here…

“Unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.” — John 12:24

I don't deny she can get things done

Dan McLaughlin Wednesday, July 15th at 1:56AM EDT (link)

but more like Newt than like Reagan or Nixon. Unless she decides to run for Senate, I don’t see her returning to elective office.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

agreed...

StandardCandle Wednesday, July 15th at 9:17AM EDT (link)

something I don’t think the P-Bots understand is that you have to have a large network of donors and advisors to be a Reagan or Nixon, I don’t think SWMNBN has this sort of network, unfortunately it will be up to the Washington crowd to make her viable… and I don’t see this happening unless they determine she can be propped up.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

Do you really think she'll have trouble raising money?

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, July 15th at 4:04PM EDT (link)

Or pulling a ground organization together?

Really?

Seven hundred grand in six months, without one personal appearance. Two hundred grand just since she announced her resignation.

There must be a lot more “P-Bots” out there than you imagine.

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

don't get me wrong...

StandardCandle Saturday, July 18th at 5:43PM EDT (link)

I’m not suggesting that Palin isn’t viable… I’m suggesting she hasn’t got the network of the Washington elite circles…

but if we’re gonna hash…

700,000 grand in six months may be impressive to you… it is to me… but when you compare her to shoulder to shoulder to Mitt… well… here’s a link made special for this discussion
Palin’s PAC pulls in $733,000. Romney’s PAC racks in $1,360,000

Now… I’m not pulling for Romney over Palin… I’m only illustrating the point.

It won’t be until Washington elites prop her up… and they will determine her “viability” not the P-Bots…

I don’t want to discourage you… but I’m just viewing this pragmatically… I really hope the P-bots can prove me wrong… it may change the climate of presidential politics… but I’m not so convinced it is that easy.

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 
 
 

Why?

emgbane Wednesday, July 15th at 11:36AM EDT (link)

“Unless she decides to run for Senate, I don’t see her returning to elective office.”

Why?

It’s not important that she run for any office, but I cannot imagine why she need run for the senate. Who looks at that geriatric chamber for leaders?

While it does not matter to me personally, I see absolutely no reason why she cannot run for President.

Newt? Reagan?

Can’t Sarah Palin just blaze her own path. With the Lord as her guide it has been working very well for her thus far.

(Read about some female entreprenears — women leaders often make bold steps, by striking out on their own.)

No, not really

Neil Stevens Wednesday, July 15th at 11:43AM EDT (link)

You can’t “blaze your own path” and also prove you’re a good executive at the same time.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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Really?

emgbane Wednesday, July 15th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

I’m sorry, but that statement. ” You can’t “blaze your own path” and also prove you’re a good executive at the same time.”

Makes absolutely no sense. Zero. Nada.

A lot of the people here,

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, July 15th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

who criticize “elites”, actually have much the same perspective as those elites. If she doesn’t do it “their way” she did it wrong.

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

You present a false definition of what "the people here who criticize 'elites'” define as "elites"

AceInTX Wednesday, July 15th at 4:31PM EDT (link)

We define those who think they are better, smarter, and wiser than the majority of the country and the party based on the money they inherited, the prestigious schools they attended and what cocktail parties they are invited to.

Elites are those who profess to be representatives of the people but ignore the people and their wishes because they know better than those who elected them as their representatives!

Elites are those that are so caught up in how polite and sophisticated, and genteel they are that they always get rolled by the thugs and ally cats that represent the Democrat Party. They’re the ones who insist on fighting by Marquis of Queensberry rules against gutter fighters who would kill them as easily as they would look at them and who laugh at their silly politeness and adherence to decorum!

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I tend to chuckle at the people who rant about elites

Neil Stevens Wednesday, July 15th at 4:37PM EDT (link)

Ranting about the elites is easier than going and earning power yourself. Heck you don’t even have to get up.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

Not sure where the "rant" was.

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, July 15th at 4:49PM EDT (link)

And this makes ansolutely no sense:

“Ranting about the elites is easier than going and earning power yourself.”

Is it an “either or” situation?

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Pretty much, yeah (nt)

Neil Stevens Wednesday, July 15th at 5:08PM EDT (link)

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

I guess those of us who can't run for office should go home and shut up then. nt

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, July 15th at 5:11PM EDT (link)

Good to know.

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

See, this is the problem, Vegas_Rick

Neil Stevens Wednesday, July 15th at 7:39PM EDT (link)

Maybe you weren’t aware that one vital thing people can do to change this party is just to show up.

Show up to your county party meetings. Learn who’s who. Find out who’s good and who’s bad.

Work to improve things in your area.

You don’t ever have to run for office to represent your views in the party.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

5+.

ocleverone Wednesday, July 15th at 8:10PM EDT (link)

I don’t care for our new Chairman and that is all the more reason for me to go to the meetings and stay involved. I think he is an uber-squish.

If I don’t raise my voice with the people that are supposed to be on the same sides of the issue, what makes me think I can make any headway with those having opposing viewpoints?

I have been recruiting and recruiting and recruiting. The next meeting should be quite interesting. :)

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

 

OK neal...here we go around the same bush again...

AceInTX Friday, July 17th at 1:02AM EDT (link)

You always trot your argument out in these discussions and I always point out that I do show up as precinct chair, District delegate, and state convention delegate and I’ve served on our Senate District Credentials Committee.

So what’s your point…I show up…and I’m working to change things…but none of that changes who and what these “Elites” are and what they’re about and it has nothing whatsoever to do with how WE define “Elites”

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
Senate Conservatives Fund
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Marco 2010
Toomey US Senate

SarahPAC

ahh...Neil...I wasn't ontending to play on your name there...nt

AceInTX Friday, July 17th at 1:02AM EDT (link)

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
Senate Conservatives Fund
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Marco 2010
Toomey US Senate

SarahPAC
 
 
 
 
 
 

not really sure what you mean?

kyle8 Wednesday, July 15th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

How does the average person go about “earning” power? Take me for instance. I have volunteered to help in the local Republican Party.

I might think that I could be a decent alderman or something like that, but I don’t have any discretionary income, or even a job right now and am spending most of my time going to classes and looking for work.

Elitism is something that is natural. That is to say some people have a much easier time of it than the average person. By that I mean they have unusual talents and gifts, coupled with, in many cases, a step up the ladder in the first place, coming from a good family or attending the high end schools.

Such people naturally are over represented among our leaders. I see nothing wrong with that. But as Ace said, after a while the get a certain mindset and they become our “betters” and forget that this is supposed to be a government by the people.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

heh...I tend to chuckle at you Niel...

AceInTX Wednesday, July 15th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

just kidding..

that said…that dog don’t hunt to use an old expression.

You keep saying over and over again something like this:

Ranting about the elites is easier than going and earning power yourself. Heck you don’t even have to get up.

As if not acquiring power for myself makes my arguments less true. I would also point out…(excluding your exalted position on Red State which I thank you for)…that you’ve never bothered to acquire any power for yourself so are your rants to be ignored as well?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
Senate Conservatives Fund
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Marco 2010
Toomey US Senate

SarahPAC
 
 

You're correct

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, July 15th at 4:46PM EDT (link)

“those who think they are better, smarter, and wiser than the majority of the country and the party”

Why the think that way doesn’t really matter.

“who profess to be representatives of the people but ignore the people and their wishes because they know better”

“They’re the ones who insist on fighting by Marquis of Queensberry rules against gutter fighters who would kill them as easily as they would look at them and who laugh at their silly politeness and adherence to decorum!”

So was I.

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 
 
 

It makes a lot of sense

Neil Stevens Wednesday, July 15th at 4:11PM EDT (link)

There is a difference between being a good leader and being a good executive of an organization.

Presidents don’t get to quit and go home because the press and the bureaucrats are being mean. They have to step up and fight back on their terms.

So what she’s doing is probably great for her, but it’s simply delusional, personality cultish thinking to consider her a credible possible candidate for President.

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Whatever you think of Palin you comment was dumb

emgbane Wednesday, July 15th at 6:27PM EDT (link)

Look your comment does not make sense. A person can find them self stuck in a corporate job that they find stifles their innovation. They can leave the company found their own company and be an excellent chief executive. I’ll repeat.

(Read about some female entrepreneurs — women leaders often make bold steps, by striking out on their own.)

“There is a difference between being a good leader and being a good executive of an organization.

Presidents don’t get to quit and go home because the press and the bureaucrats are being mean. They have to step up and fight back on their terms.

So what she’s doing is probably great for her, but it’s simply delusional, personality cultish thinking to consider her a credible possible candidate for President.”

Obviously Governor Palin is stepping up and fight back on her own terms. (Nixon Quit)

I said the woman does not have to follow Regan or Newt. Heck she can run for President if she wants. She can do whatever she wants and voters can do whatever they want.

Why don’t you get over yourself? The only thing you have any control over is your own individual vote. Why insult her supports as “…delusional, personality cultish….”

Your comment was stupid not because you don’t think Palin can be President, but because you wrote.
“You can’t “blaze your own path” and also prove you’re a good executive at the same time.”
It is a stupid comment and changing the point to some Palin can’t be President rant, instead of conceding the obvious is what I find disappoint about some RedState posters.
“There is a difference between being a good leader and being a good executive of an organization.”
Of course there is, but that is not what you wrote. You wrote: “You can’t “blaze your own path” and also prove you’re a good executive at the same time.”

Disagree with Neil if you must

TNJim Wednesday, July 15th at 6:32PM EDT (link)

but be easy on the “stupid” accusations. He is a site moderator after all.

Just sayin’

“No. You can’t” -Moe Lane

Well I guess I'm done

emgbane Wednesday, July 15th at 6:41PM EDT (link)

Sorry and thank you. bye-bye

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Look out libs, you have pissed Sarah off!

crazymountain Wednesday, July 15th at 2:23AM EDT (link)

Sarah Palin did the right thing by leaving the office to her Lt. She was unable to do her job, period. I wish that most of the DC elite would leave their jobs, as they do nothing constructive anyway.

However, the left has pissed Sarah off. As a private citizen, she can devote her time to writing, speaking and other things that will pay off her legal bills and create financial stability. Folks do not want to believe her when she said that she would help CONSERVATIVES, be they D, R or I attain office and end this stupid amateur hour the DC elite have going now. Beware the liberal running for House, Senate or Governor in 2010. The left have unleashed a protective mother whose brilliant move will be proven to be just that….brilliant. Look for her being a conservative king-maker and watch the libs reap the bounty of their profane nastiness. I hope they enjoyed their time at the rice bowl, as Sarah will help send them home for good!

 

Brilliant move.

sapwolf Wednesday, July 15th at 10:53AM EDT (link)

Sarah resigned for the following reasons:

1) She has completed all her major objectives for her term.

2) She needed to free herself completely for the 2010 and 2012 elections at the national level.

3) She really believes she is a public servant, and when the frivolous ethics complaints were used by the Dems to almost completely shut down the executive branch, she honorably stepped up and positioned Sean Parnell properly so he could get established as the governor with time to prepare for his election in 2010.

Anybody who thinks Sarah is a quitter is a complete lazy and out of touch fool.

If the following happens, she will be POTUS come Jan. 2013

1) Leads effort to take the House back in 2010 with more conservatives in office.

2) Completes book and it becomes biggest political seller of all-time.

3) Raises mountains of money for candidates and her PAC.

4) Continues to write opinion pieces and does plenty of interviews.

5) Obama continues to plummet in popularity as his policies crush the country’s economy.

6) Tea Party Movement merges with her movement, given that she is positioned well to inherit the anti-Washington DC forces.

7) She picks a good Veep such as Romney (to unite the party) or Gen. Petreus (foreign policy creds.)

It’s only the beginning. Obama will practically hand the election to her in 2012, and she will be the reaganesque candidate of limited government, fiscal responsibility, national defense, tax reform, pro-small business, etc.

 

I don't agree with the media attacking

mom2oneson Wednesday, July 15th at 11:09AM EDT (link)

children. I thought it was wrong when they made fun of Chelsa Clinton too. I don’t understand why Palin spent so much time disclosing person things about her family.I heard her talk more about her family than I did on political issues. She appeared with them a lot too. Even after she complained how the media was treated her she still continued to disclose personal things about her children.
Why did she allow Bristol to go on talk shows?
Why allow Bristol and her grandbaby pose for a magazine?
The other day I believe she said something about what party her son belonged too? She still is making statements with her family.
I understand she has an office in her home. When she made her resigning statement, why not go to the capital? Even if your office is in your home the general population does not associate home with working.
Why did she bring her daughters boyfriend on stage with her? Even if she had him travel with them to keep Bristol with them why not let him stay at the hotel?
Why does it seem like always appears with her family? I don’t see that with other politicans. They go to events, speak at dinners etc and they are alone or with a spouse.
I am not agreeing with the media but I think she discloses way too much and could do more to appear professional.

 

Too much family?

emgbane Wednesday, July 15th at 12:46PM EDT (link)

“I heard her talk more about her family than I did on political issues.”

I imagine that is possible, but you might want to consider where you are getting your information. I saw her interview with Lauder in which she was announcing Exxon’s signing onto AGIA. Lauder spent 3 of 7 minutes on the AGIA. MSNBC spent no time on AGIA. Wolf Blitzer had about 14 minutes and he spent less then 3 minutes on family. Palin cannot control what reporter’s choice to ask or what news organizations choice to highlight.

Regarding Bristol talking to Greta or supporting abstinence I would imagine her mother is allowing her grown daughter to make her own decision. That what happens when your children grow up for better or worse you don’t allow or disallow their actions, you just love them and pray them and give them you advice.

Making an announcement from her how is unprofessional. I thought the setting was beautiful, and I imagine there would have been an ethics complaint if she has spoken to the media from her office, since she has already faces that complaint.

You don’t see other politicians traveling with their family. How often do you see Palin travel? Post campaign she traveled to the lower 48 4 times and brought her family once.

Let’s see is that all the time or 25% of the time — DC in January alone, Governor’s Association alone, Indiana no children, and New York Willow and Todd.

Why let people have a picture of Tripp, because other wise paparazzi would invade your privacy in an attempt to get a picture. You give people a free photo and there is no economic incentive to get a picture.

She was making a point about partisanship and stated that both Todd and Track are registered nonpartisan.

She knows the media has

mom2oneson Wednesday, July 15th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

ill intentions and she still dicloses personal information about her children. That what isn’t adding up for me.
I really feel for her having her kids attacked by the media. That is horrible and I am proud that I do not support any of those stations. I don’t understand why she keeps disclosing more personal things to them. It stands out to me every time I read a diary like the above or a statement from her when she shares more information about them. I remember when the boyfriend was bad mouthing her and she made a statement that included Bristol’s educational plans including her major in college. I understand making a statement when someone says a lie publically but not sharing more information than necessary to people with ill intentions. I understand what she was trying to say, Bristol has a life and goals but why share things so personal? It doesn’t really matter, it has nothing to do wtih her career! It just stands out to me.

 
 

For someone who has obviously learned much

SEDeuce Wednesday, July 15th at 1:08PM EDT (link)

about Sarah Palin, you seem to have really underestimated her spirit, drive, and political sense. She has been in politics since 1992. She has clearly been handcuffed in her current position: lack of money, having to waste time on spurious ethics complaints, living 5 time zones from EDT. Throughout her career she has never been afraid to consider all alternatives and to select the one that made the most sense to her, whether or not anyone else agreed. And, as others have commented, her attractiveness to the 60% of the country that is center-right gives her access to the media whenever she wants. Sounds like a winning combination to me.

 

I have to agree with Scope on this one.

tallicedtea Wednesday, July 15th at 1:15PM EDT (link)

Sorry, Dan, nothing personal. Also, sapwolf spelled it out really well.

Sarah Palin has my support 150%.

Not sure about the Mitt Romney for VP, but the jury is still out on that idea for me, so I’ll think more about that before offering an opinion. I do think, though, that if he was a Presidential candidate, we’d get 4 more years of Obama. But, I’ll think more about him as a VP, just not sure yet.

 

[Something more value-added.]

Magrooder Wednesday, July 15th at 6:28PM EDT (link)

[Beats me why it didn't take the last time. - ML]

Moe, I think you blammed this moron once already. nt

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, July 15th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 

undereducated? are you an idiot? oh wait I am educated enough to make that determination...

JadedByPolitics Wednesday, July 15th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

YES YOU ARE AN IDIOT! and you would be the scum of the earth referenced in the title!

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

 

A 2+-year sleeper troll - and a stalker to boot

civil_truth Wednesday, July 15th at 6:35PM EDT (link)

Sorry, RedState is not the place for personal grudge matches - this is a site to advance conservative and Republican.

You do a good job of exposing your double standards - and your PDS and misogyny. I doubt you’re going to last the hour unless our moderators are too busy with the rest of their lives. Hope it was worth it to you.

Linked to the wrong profile - actually 10+ months

civil_truth Wednesday, July 15th at 6:39PM EDT (link)

Doesn’t matter, though. Your posting history is PDS.

 
 

Folks, the problem here

aesthete Wednesday, July 15th at 7:03PM EDT (link)

is that he didn’t mention the Joooooos nearly enough.

Bad moby, very bad.

Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand

“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC

 
 

Children should be off limits

conservativediehard Friday, July 17th at 1:09AM EDT (link)

Yes, there were mean-spirited jokes told at the expense of Chelsea Clinton, but Republicans who did so (John McCain, Rush Limbaugh) almost always immediately apologized,

Those jokes weren’t mean-spirited, they were pointing out a fact, and given that Chelsea is going to be POTUS soon enough, it’s only fair to preemptively attack her.

I don’t think Bristol or Willow have political futures planned though. I don’t know if even their mother does.

 

IBD Editorial response to Sarah's WaPo Column

conteach Saturday, July 18th at 6:41PM EDT (link)

Excellent write! you might be interested in who else is defending Sarah:

Investors Business Daily Editorials completely supported Sarah’s stance in her Washington Post Editorial of this week regarding Cap and Trade.

http://bit.ly/ZLXLz

Also see my posts regarding the treatment of Sarah Palin versus Sonia Sotomayor

http://www.redstate.com/conteach/2009/07/17/palin-and-sotomayor-a-tale-of-two-women/

And also something that I think all sides need to deal with -
Hate Speech

http://www.redstate.com/conteach/2009/07/17/hate-speechand-other-things/

–Gordon—

 

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