A reminder, from last year, of what state-run health care can turn into:
RS’ own Brian Faughnan has more on the Oregon case (”The compassion of the IRS and the efficiency of the Postal Service”); Nat Hentoff has more on the current debate.
There’s No Such Thing As A Death Panel. There’s No Such Thing As A Death Panel. There’s No Such Thing As A Death Panel.
If You Say It Often Enough, You Can Convince Yourself
Like the Democrats "care" about people Mantra (read: Lies)
JLenardDetroit Thursday, August 20th at 11:27AM EDT (link)Not just the “effective equivalent” of Death Panels… all those other distortions about the Dem plans for HC takeover (and that is still what it is, by any distortion they try to cover it under) - Democrat Health Care Townhall propaganda - a place to report the Dem’s Talking Points (read: Lies) and refute them with specifics.
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)
What a shame
r0per Thursday, August 20th at 11:39AM EDT (link)We should have saturated “Red” districts and states with ads incoporating this video and story. Instead, we have been talking about Nazis, Facsists, clunkers and the freakin USPS. The story of a woman losing her life because some idiot ruled her life wasn’t worth the cost of her medication is way more powerful than anything that has been brought to the argument so far.
If "There's No Such Thing As A Death Panel,"
Flagstaff Thursday, August 20th at 3:04PM EDT (link)why did Senator Grassle tell us that “Death Panels had been removed from the Senate Bill”?
Is the Oregon Health Plan the only one available for Oregon residents?
Dr. Som Saha: “If we ‘invest’ thousands and thousands of dollars in one person’s days to weeks, yes, we are taking away those dollars from someone.”
Well, maybe some of those ’someones’ are using the money to get hair transplants. Maybe none of those ’someones’ are going to die if they don’t get their government money. It’s pretty clear that Oregon decided that this lady should just go and die while they gave the money that might extend her life by years to other ’someones’ who might well have gotten along without it. If that isn’t a Death Panel decision, what is?
In extreme cases, as in England, even if she paid for the drug herself her doctor wouldn’t have been allowed to administer it.
If you think trying to get a private insurance company to pay a claim is bad, wait until you try to get money out of the government, unless you are in one of its favored groups.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
I'm not sure the "average Joe or Jane"
Warrior Thursday, August 20th at 3:15PM EDT (link)understands that under Ocare some govt employee will make life and death decisions about his or her care based entirely on cost. I agree with the above poster that this Oregon case should be blasted from every media and public resource we have…
“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.
Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…
We already have death panels...
ncf1957 Thursday, August 20th at 5:09PM EDT (link)We already have death panels. They are called Insurance Companies. How do you think they have made such obscene profits in the last few years? By denying care to the people they are supposed to be insuring. This sometimes results in death and they have made that call.
Ahh, and we have a troll to play with.
Leopard1996 Thursday, August 20th at 5:22PM EDT (link)Insurance companies are evil, and they just look out for their profits.
And how would the Government do any better on this part. As a matter of fact it would be more screwed up. So go screw with this argument.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
Go away, troll. (nt)
George Claghorn Thursday, August 20th at 5:23PM EDT (link)“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Oh, NOOOOO!
aesthete Thursday, August 20th at 5:25PM EDT (link)Here’s the diff: if granny’s denied medical care by a private insurance company, I can a) drop that company, and b) pay for the treatment without private insurance. The first solution isn’t an option under a government plan, and the second would be curtailed.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Also
aesthete Thursday, August 20th at 5:25PM EDT (link)You really don’t understand insurance companies if that’s how you think they make profits.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Malarkey
lukematthews Thursday, August 20th at 6:07PM EDT (link)This line of argument is absurd. Insurance companies are contractually obligated to fulfill certain provisions. If the disease, procedure or injury isn’t covered by the provision, the person has a right to sue, look for other ways of payment, or find a different payer or provider. Once the government gets its hooks there will be no alternatives. The government, once it has taken over, will DECIDE whether you get the coverage or not. If you don’t like it, then it sucks to be you. Having the referee of the game also playing in the game is ridiculous. Besides, do you really think it is wise to have the one institution with a monopoly on power in charge of your every physical and mental process. How do you suppose freedom is lost? Not as often by invaders as by insidious takeover ‘for your own good.’
You have a very limited amount of understanding.
Ah, how you must hate having to do this.
Moe Lane Friday, August 21st at 9:48AM EDT (link)You thought that you won… and yet, here you are, having to repeat nonsense that you don’t quite believe in in order to protect the re-election of Democrats you’d rather see passed out in a ditch. And it doesn’t even seem to be working!
Marvelous.
Blam.
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The lady reporter's double-take to the Panel
furious Friday, August 21st at 9:33AM EDT (link)doctor’s dissembling was priceless. @1:27.
Good on her.
–furious
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader