Clinton Pollster: Polls Show Health Reform Could Fail Again


The New Republic, under the leadership of Jonathan Cohn, has been the number one cheerleader for health care reform writ large.

His repeated exhortations for reform has had a similar effect to Paul Krugman of the NYT on the Democratic Party.

It is why this article from the New Republic is oh, so very, very important.

Stanley Greenberg was the pollster who lead the Democratic Party down the lose-56-seats-in-the-U.S.-House path of the spectacular failure of Hillary-care. OK, that is probably an overstatement, but, his polls had a whole lot to do with the Democratic Party pushing all their chips onto the table on Health Care Reform last time around.

Greenberg dusted off his memos to President Clinton and the poll questions he asked back then, and asked them again, now.

In an OH NO MR. BILL moment, the worst case scenario to the polling questions happened again, as Greenberg writes:

“Perhaps I should know better than to have sensed any profound changes in the country. And, when I got the results for the new survey, I looked at each question warily, remembering how it all went badly wrong. As I reached the last of the questions, I exclaimed: “Oh no. It can’t be. Nothing’s changed.”

There is no way to get veteran status, unless you have gone through battle. You cannot buy veteran status, you cannot train for it, you have to live it.

Taking the advice of veteran health care warriors is probably a good idea, and it why what Greenberg has to say next is important, when considering the future of health care reform in Congress:

It may surprise you that Obama has already lost seniors, according to our current survey–only one-third approve of his plan. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see there isn’t much in it for them. There is already talk of carving out major savings from Medicare and, unlike during Clinton’s battle, no offer of a new drug benefit. Clearly, they need to see health care gains for themselves too.

One would have expected union households to be among the most enthusiastic supporters of Clinton’s health reforms, but they held back. Resentment over NAFTA played a part, for sure. But the reforms also had uncertain benefits for their members, most of whom already had health care–many with the kind of “Cadillac” plans that Clinton’s team speculated about taxing. In the end, unions never seriously mobilized their members or financed advertising to defend reform.

Today, the unions are battered and divided and deeply affected by the changes in health care and employment that are propelling the country toward reform. With few illusions about the old system, union households are strong supporters of Obama’s proposal. Yet the members will ultimately judge whether the plan is good for their families–and I’m certain that all the talk about taxing insurance contributions has not gone unnoticed.

Unions are shifting their feet, uncertain about Obama’s health care plan, and seniors are already at: don’t finance the uninsured by cutting Medicare.

So while the media-worship continues of Obamacare, seniors are at no. And Stanley Greenberg, a gray beard with battle scars, is trying to warn the Democratic Party.

The Latinos have a saying: “I am coming back from where you are going.”

It would be really wise to listen to Greenberg — because a miscalculation on health care will cost the Democratic Party seats in 2010, 56 last time around.

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The difference now seems to be

bk Monday, July 6th at 5:47PM EDT (link)

that the Obama Dems will offer unlimited bribes to any fence-sitters. Just look at the billions that suddenly appeared for some of the last-minute yea votes in the House. If Obama has to find an extra 10 or $20 or $50 billion to convince a couple of Senators, so what?

Of bridges and sweetners

Dan Perrin Monday, July 6th at 6:44PM EDT (link)

from what I hear, the hustings have told Members of Congress over the July 4th break, just stop spending, OK?

Here's an organization planning June 17 protests at congresscritter offices nationwide

ColdWarrior Monday, July 6th at 7:42PM EDT (link)

http://arizonateaparty.ning.com/events

I’ll be at at least one.

I haven’t decided to “shrug” yet.

Thank you.

I am only one. But I am a conservative Republican precinct committeeman, one of about 2,000 in Maricopa County trying my darnedest to recruit more into the about 4,000 existing vacancies.

American first, conservative second and Republican precinct committeeman by necessity.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”

“Elections have consequences, my friends.” — John McCain

 
 

I should have said

bk Monday, July 6th at 6:46PM EDT (link)

to look at the cap and tax payoffs in the House. They’re more than willing to do the same in the Senate with cap and tax and in both chambers with health care.

“Name your price.”

bk is that what the stop trading horses comment meant

mom2oneson Monday, July 6th at 6:55PM EDT (link)

back when cap and trade was being voted on in the house?

The Chinese and the value of the U.S. dollar

Dan Perrin Monday, July 6th at 7:56PM EDT (link)

may have a negative effect on the spending habits of Congress.

And it is happening as we speak…

But the idiots in control don't think we're spending too much

bk Tuesday, July 7th at 12:18AM EDT (link)

They just think we’re taxing too little.

 
 
 
 
 

from your mouth to God's ears

kyle8 Monday, July 6th at 6:12PM EDT (link)

but I am very fearful.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Generals and Flag rank officers who issue

Dan Perrin Monday, July 6th at 6:45PM EDT (link)

warnings, like Stanley Greenberg, should be heeded, lest a big fall cometh

Failure or Failure both are owned by democrats...

antisocial Monday, July 6th at 8:59PM EDT (link)

They have fillibuster proof majority. They have the votes. No spin will work.

The Emperor has no clothes!!!
——————————
Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Chris Smith (NJ-04)
Leonard Lance (NJ-07)
John M. McHugh (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-08)

 
 
 

Greenberg writes some excellent political satire.

Moe Lane Monday, July 6th at 7:58PM EDT (link)

…it will do so more enthusiastically if Obama learns from the Clinton experience and rises to the educative role that he relishes. He must respect the thoughts, feelings and calculations of ordinary citizens who are not easily spun on important issues. People will take out their calculators when he lays out his plan, and he can’t avoid speaking candidly about its costs and consequences. And he can’t forget that he has a big story to tell about a changed America, one in which health care is but a pile of bricks in the new foundation he is laying.

In other words, the plan is doomed.

Unless President Obama

Dan Perrin Monday, July 6th at 8:02PM EDT (link)

is willing to listen, yes.

My sense is that the White House will not listen.

Congress Won't Listen Either

IJB Monday, July 6th at 8:19PM EDT (link)

My guess is that Nancy Pelosi will shut Republicans *out of the building*, let alone out of the process, during this process.

And Reid will try to bride the Maine sisters, and then give a finger to all the other Republicans in trying to pass this.

My guess is that it barely passes the House (guaranteeing probably another half-a-dozen vulnerable Dems losing their seats in 2010), and is never brought to a vote in the Senate, because not only does Reid fail to get both Maine sisters, but he’ll lose somewhere between half-a-dozen to a dozen ‘Red State’ Dems and so is never able to invoke Cloture.
(Note: Much the same thing will happen to Cap ‘n’ Tax in the Senate, which will probably never be heard from again in this Congress…)

Obama’s agenda is looking like it’s going a whole lot of *nowhere* right now.

These guys *blew* it by not starting with Card Check & Amnesty first…

A bold prediction

Dan Perrin Monday, July 6th at 8:33PM EDT (link)

I'm gonna respectfully disagree.

montanan Monday, July 6th at 8:53PM EDT (link)

No hard feelings IJB, but as bk pointed out, the bamster is willing to shell out billions to get fencesitters off the fence and into his yard. Plus, there are the RINO’s that will betray the cause for a few more bacon bucks to take home. I hope you are right, but we all said that the bank takeover wouldn’t happen and look how that turned out.

I will keep praying writing and calling the Congressman and Senators

bobojake Monday, July 6th at 9:03PM EDT (link)

We will stop the NO-NO-ACCOUNTIBILITY DEMOCRAT PARTY.

 

Everyone Needs To Remember One Thing - A Politician's First Instinct is Self-Preservation

IJB Monday, July 6th at 9:14PM EDT (link)

No amount of “pork” will save a lot of these Dems in Red Districts or Red States if they vote for either Single Player (effectively that’s what the Dems will make it) or Cap ‘n’ Tax.
(Any Republicans who vote for it are even more ‘Dead Men Walking’…)

That’s just a political reality that most of the people involved have already factored in.

There’s not enough tea in China to “buy” all the votes they need to pass this stuff.

there is if they keep the printers running...

montanan Tuesday, July 7th at 8:26PM EDT (link)
 
 
 
 
 

Pressure Lincoln and Pryor

DerKrieger Monday, July 6th at 8:39PM EDT (link)

McCain won AR handily with 67% of the vote and Lincoln and Pryor are both well aware of that fact.

Borrow my zip code and call them - 72714
Or if you want to call from a Little Rock Zip use 72223

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

 

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