1) By the time they pass ObamaCare, Cap and Trade and EFCA, the changes will be irreversible because they expect to keep the
White House and/or 40 Senators. So they don’t care if a few “moderate” Democrats lose to Republicans - they will still be in charge and will be able to blame the Republicans even more.

2) They are counting on short memories of the American people by Nov 2010 and distracting them with other events. Besides, the big changes don’t happen until 2013, so the pliant press will say that the controversy is overblown. Once they get past 2012, it’s all over

3) Allt he campaign contributions arising from these bills they hope to swamp the opposition with money and advertising - not to mention their ability to intimidate media and contributors from giving to their opponents. Can you Say IRS and DOJ investigations.

The Dems are all in with the chips. Obama gave them a window and they are jumping through it with both feet. If they lose some people along the way, it is okay with them. This is war and in all wars there are casualties.

Besides there is no guarantee the revolt at the booth will occur. It is a measured risk at best. They control a number of key states at the state level, including the recording of votes. Remember what happened in Minnesota. They also control the streets- remember Philly.

Like I said a number of times before, the hardest thing to do when you are inside a revolution is to gain perspective. You just can’t get far enough away to see the whole picture. I can imagine there were million upon millions of citizens throughout history who just didn’t see it coming, were surprised when it arrived and were frozen in place because they had no options left.

Beware.

and public pressure should still mean something… i hope.

to stop this. I have called & e-mailed LA Congress people every week. This is the most disgusting, lying, & deceitful administration ever. What’s to keep them from doing this for any bill they want passed?

…they will have only themselves to blame for the whirlwind which follows. And there WILL be a whirlwind. Think 1861.

Literally.

All the hand-wringing on our side completely misses the point - if the Dems try to screw this many people over this way, they WILL be made to pay. And it may very well be in blood.

I’m like a lot of people who comment here in that I regularly vacillate between smiling at the historical writing on the wall (Democratic overreaching guarantees the swift ebb of their power) and knee-buckling fear of the irreversible (you can’t undo entitlements).

Beneath all of that, life has convinced me that fear and panic are weak and fleeting emotions in the face of things that will remain. There are definitely forces greater than any current political reality and its attendant implications. When Faith, Hope, and Love remain, even if everything else in a man is defeated, his condition can be bettered.

My faith is not in our legislators, my FAITH is in Americans. Our collective reaction to George W. Bush led us to take a flyer in November. We gambled on the rhetoric of hope and change. It was a flyer, it was NOT a declaration of permanent political intent. Painless as it is, It was my generations (30 somethings) chance to learn as my parents learned from Jimmy Carter. But we will learn and move forward. I take great comfort that President Obama is as different from Candidate Obama as North is from South. Faith assures me that regardless of the legislative freak show he foists on the people, nothing is irreversible in America. I don’t believe Americans will accept that we can’t do whatever the hell we want. After all, we were created free!!

I also cling to the deeply embedded hope that things aren’t what they seem.. At the San Antonio Tea party, with 16,000 of my closest friends I found that hope does not disappoint. My former life as a hippie, on-the-road following a band with the beautiful people qualifies me to say that the Glen-Beck-loving, Ted-Nugent-cheering throng in San Antonio was more satisfying and real than any show I went to… better smelling too! I don’t believe even Fox news (much less those others) can adequately capture or convey the steady quiet beat of the American heart for freedom. The shrill voices in our media culture inevitably drowns out the steady persistent whisper of freedom loving Americans.

My hope is rooted in the fact that those who set the philosophical cornerstone of national in our founding documents handed down more than quill parchment… they handed us a deeply seated national legacy of freedom. Because I hope, I am prepared to wait for that legacy to ooze out of if we nuzzle too closely with freedom -pinching ideas that seem to be all the vogue in D.C. Philosophy fills the academy, and is paid little attention by those committed to the business of living free (that’s part of the problem with liberalism, it is content with empty philosophical constructs and rarely accounts for the influence of human nature). No matter how badly Obama and friends wish it: we are not Europeans, and as a national demographic (I love what I’m about to write) we’re closer to George W. Bush than to Barack H. Obama.

Finally, I love this country, and I am not alone. Much of the world (incidentally, a MUCH smaller percent than we are led to believe) “dislikes” us and is offended by us because they envy and revile what they don’t understand. They don’t understand a ready willingness to fight and die for principles like freedom around the world, even at the expense of our sons and daughters. They derisively mock us as imperialists cowboys, as they aggressively import our culture every day. I honestly mean no disrespect to global friends and neighbors, I willingly accept being disrespected and reviled as the price of global leadership. To whom much is given, much is required.

You and I weren’t surprised to see the start of a backlash about Obama’s policies from the wealthy intelligentsia when it dawned on them that their paper ideas had come to life, jumped off the page, and began to deal the fierce consequences that were only imagined before… it was as if they forgot that the wealth to be redistributed was THEIR wealth. The ruling left knows this, but they don’t understand it. They just feel in their gut the increasing urgency that rises up when battling on the wrong side against the tide of history and a finely tuned national heritage accustomed to freedom.

Historically, If anything were permanent, eternal, and timeless, it should have been colonial Britain at the twilight of the 18th century. Yet, the greatest imperialist force since Alexander the Great was tossed aside by a poorly assembled and expertly led group of committed idealists. Those patriots bent the curve of history toward freedom, and they stand today as a faithful cloud of witnesses, urging us on, encouraging us to embrace the idea that only one thing is Eternal: the Creator who endows us daily with the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Legislation can be overturned… maybe not easily, but it can be done.

I love that Glen Beck used “Common Sense” as the title for his latest treatise. Thomas Paine inspired patriotism calls us forward to take hold of our inheritance in, “The Crisis.” Paine challenged weary revolutionaries and calls to us today when he says, “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country… Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.”

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness will never pass from the American consciousness. Even if it seems they have been attacked into dormancy like a rolly-poley protectively curled, and even if this current administration were to become a force of tyrannical oppression, Faith, Hope, and Love will remain and have their way.

We are Americans. That is enough.

What Democrats might end up doing is throwing themselves out of power for a generation in order to pass a bill that never actually goes into effect.

If the Democrats do ram it through in a sneaky way, the backlash is going to be even greater than the already toxic environment. If the legislation is both unpopular and passed in a manner that seems illegitimate, even voters on the fence are going to want to punish Democrats.

Also, if it is passed this way, I know Newt has said it would make it very easy to simply defund it as soon as Republicans have a simple majority.

Also, there’s simply no way the US can afford to actually have Universal Health Care, it’s simply impossible to fund with our current debt levels, so I don’t actually see it ever happening, even if liberals control every branch of government and pass the legislation. It’s sort of like the situation in California, eventually you hit a wall.

I still would prefer no health care legislation is passed, even if means Republicans won’t do as well on election day, simply because I’ve seen history, and it’s very hard to end entitlements and my guess is some form of it would probably be with us for a long time.

Talk Business: Lincoln Leading Transparency Effort
“Citing a ‘frustrated’ electorate and low Congressional approval numbers, Lincoln called for a 3-day public notice period for health reform legislation to be considered before any vote could take place. Her proposal calls for legislative text and complete budget costs from the Congressional Budget Office to be posted on a public website at least 72 hours prior to a first vote on any health care bill.” [Talk Business, 10/6/09]

Arkansas News Bureau: Lincoln: Transparency Matters
“U.S. Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., says she wants Arkansans and all Americans to get a good look at health care overhaul legislation before it moves forward in the Senate …. ‘What’s wrong with taking our time to ensure that not only do we get it right but there’s a comfort level in the people we represent? That’s important,’ Lincoln told reporters during a conference call today.” [Arkansas News Bureau’s Politics in Arkansas blog, 10/6/09]

OzarksFirst: Lincoln on Greater Transparency in Health Insurance Reform
“Lincoln’s plan for greater transparency regarding health insurance reform legislation would require the following legislative text and complete budget costs from the Congressional Budget Office to be posted on a public website at least 72 hours prior to the first vote and the final agreement between the House of Representatives and the Senate and complete costs of the final bill made available to the public for 72 hours prior to the vote on final passage in the Senate.” [OzarksFirst, 10/7/09]

CQ: Moderate Democrats Demand Transparency in Final Health Care Bill
“Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., a Finance Committee member, took the lead in outlining the group’s detailed request in a letter to Reid. The effort by the seven Democrats and one independent is significant because the overhaul is unlikely to succeed without their backing. Also, several said that if they do not get their way, they might use procedural tactics to block consideration of the overhaul.” [Congressional Quarterly, 10/6/09]

Wall Street Journal: What’s the Rush?
“Eight Democratic Senators have written Majority Leader Harry Reid and asked him to post the final health care bill on the Internet for at least 72 hours before any vote. They also want all amendments posted before they are debated.” [Wall Street Journal, 10/7/09]

Congress Daily: Senate Timetable Slips As Moderates Demand Waiting Period
“The moderates want the text as amended and modified CBO scores available electronically 72 hours before a final vote on the measure. If Reid determines he must acquiesce to the moderates to get the bill passed, such efforts could delay a final vote further by a few weeks at least.

‘Whether or not our constituents agree with the direction of the debate, many are frustrated and lacking accurate information on the emerging proposals in Congress,’ the senators wrote.

‘Without a doubt, reforming health care in America is one of the most monumental and far-reaching undertakings considered by this body in decades. We believe the American public’s participation in this process is critical to our overall success of creating a bill that lowers healthcare costs and offers access to quality and affordable health care for all Americans.’” [Congress Daily, 10/7/09]

I hope the general voting public sees this for the horrid folly it is.
But alas I am so pessimistic I am afraid that they wont understand, wont care and wont act. Instead by the time 2010 comes it will be old news forgotten and the more important thing will be the next sports championship. My pessimism comes from the fact it took near all of heaven to pass Prop 8 in CA when it should have passed by a 90 to 10 margin.
There is little understanding of the governmental and moral consequences of what is happening. Last night on CBS the show Medium the story dealt with a doctor that was killing his cancer patients. The argument he presented showed the arrogance of the intellectuals like the bulk of the Obama government.
This is how they see themselves as superior to all other humans and so have the right to decide for those that are sick whether to die or not. They base their decisions on their superior knowledge, the cost of care and the impact on others. It didn’t matter whether or not the patient wanted to live. This is not just theater it is theater reflecting real life.
The Obama administration and the current Democratic Congress and leadership think this way. They are condescending, elitist and dismissive of all who think differently. This will not change even if they are thrown from office which I pray they will be.

However, the call to arms by some leads to a very dark place. The conservative movement has so much to offer the American people if its ideals are explicated clearly and consistently. The proposal of armed opposition threatens to damage the potential for a political comeback by marginalizing conservatism as some sort of lunatic fringe.

Stay the course and stay strong. The country will be ready for the reemergence of conservatism sooner than you may believe.

I wonder how far fetched it is to think that maybe the only way this will pass is through or with the push of his health czar.

I can’t afford healthcare but I would rather die than have the government provide it. I will hope to live until I can get medicare.

I think that you’re funny. Redstate doesn’t tolerate trolls, though. See ya at Kos! (I go for the schadenfreude.)

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stand up in Washington and announce to the country and the Democrat party, that the GOP will use every single tactic against the Democrat Progressives that are being used against us? The Right will push through all their agenda with 51 votes, and will initiate criminal investigations of all former Democrat administrations and congressmen. Think that’ll get anybody’s attention?