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Politico Outs the Secret Plan to Pass ObamaCare

By: Dan Perrin (Diary)  |  October 10th, 2009 at 12:22 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Politico (again) breaks a major story this morning with its outing of the Dem secret plan that Brian Darling of the Heritage Foundation has been warning of for more than ten days:

a former House and Senate leadership aide sent an email sketching out another route to passage. Instead of introducing a Senate bill, Majority Leader Reid could insert the merged health care reform language into a revenue raising House bill already languishing in conference committee. The Senate would pass it and send it to the House whereupon passage, it would go straight to the president’s desk – completely bypassing conference. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

By cutting out conference, this single-bullet scenario eliminates weeks of expected wrangling and would make it possible to pass a bill by the Thanksgiving target so many Democrats are aiming for. Many insiders agree that a conference committee would make that goal next to impossible.

The Democrats are raping the Congressional process to pass ObamaCare:

i) create a Vapor Bill without legislative language to hide the legislative language from the American people and other Senators until the bill is already on the Senate floor;
ii) get a Vapor Score on a Vapor Bill — even though the Congressional Budget Office says they cannot provide an accurate score without the legislative language — which CBO did not get because it does not exist;
iii) move to the motion to proceed on a House bill that is not the health care bill, but is the AIG bonus bill, then gut it and amend it with the first-time-ever-seen health reform legislative language;
iv) add the public option AFTER ending a filibuster with 60 votes; and,
v) skip a House-Senate conference and have the President sign the bill.

This is why the Founding Fathers warned of the tyranny of the majority.

The U.S. Congress, under the Democrats, is being run like a banana republic where the dictator violates any and all fair processes with little regard for public opinion — that is, until the 2010 elections, where, if the Dems carry out these outrageous and flagrant flaunting follies they will have their heads handed to them.

All of these flags-on-the-play violations to pass a bill that Zogby finds 60% of the American people oppose? Or if you prefer the Pew Poll version, only 34% of Americans support it.

Really, the Dems need to take a breath, and seriously consider their politically irrational and lemming-like behavior.

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  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    1) By the time they pass ObamaCare, Cap and Trade and EFCA, the changes will be irreversible because they expect to keep the
    White House and/or 40 Senators. So they don’t care if a few “moderate” Democrats lose to Republicans – they will still be in charge and will be able to blame the Republicans even more.

    2) They are counting on short memories of the American people by Nov 2010 and distracting them with other events. Besides, the big changes don’t happen until 2013, so the pliant press will say that the controversy is overblown. Once they get past 2012, it’s all over

    3) Allt he campaign contributions arising from these bills they hope to swamp the opposition with money and advertising – not to mention their ability to intimidate media and contributors from giving to their opponents. Can you Say IRS and DOJ investigations.

    • nessa

      They believe the passage of these bills will give them the ability to buy the votes necessary to remain in power after 2010. Personally, I’m not sure they are wrong.

    • bs

      I’ve been saying this for weeks.

      • penguin2

        I read Civil’s remark yesterday, nessa’s today and now yours. It’s like a dual view of the world. Are you all saying that it is a done deal and we are doomed?

        • bs

          “Elections have consequences”

          This is one of them.

          The only hope I see is that the American people are smarter than I give them credit for. But these are the same idiots who elected The One in the first place.

          • penguin2

            my country would have ever elected a Socialist/Communist. So is our legal system going to fall into the tank entirely for corrupt politicians and elections. Is there nothing left? Are things looking so bleak that we throw in the towel?

          • bs

            anyone advocating for throwing in the towel anywhere above. It’s simply speculation on what will happen.

            Seriously – a 60/40 majority in the Senate and the vast Democrat majority in the House pretty much guarantees that they can do whatever the hell they want to, and the only thing we can do is what we’re already doing – scream bloody murder, raise hell, and hope that Americans are listening.

            But seriously – most of the victims of this Pied Piper of Pennsylvania Avenue are willing to follow him wherever he goes for now. I’ve said it here many times in the past months – Obama is a reaction to George W. Bush, just as the joke of a Nobel Prize was. It’s a mass American temper tantrum.

            One thing we do need to be careful about is going so apenuts that the malleable middle of the electorate doesn’t decide we’re too nuts to move to our side. In my estimate, there is about an even split of hard left and hard right – probably about 40%/40%, and the middle 20 is where we are fighting our battle. That doesn’t mean we have to pander with “moderateness” – it means we have to convince that portion of the electorate that conservative principles and governing are preferrable to the fascist policies of the Obamites.

          • bs

            used the same phrase twice in a row. I was typing and watching TV at the same time…

          • penguin2

            but I had just read so many comments, which seem to be leaning toward the idea that we’ve lost the war. Everyday, the headlines note a step back for our side and this has been a painful year. I’m not seeking to put on rose colored glasses, but neither will a sense of futility help. I do believe that Americans are waking up. I just need to to know that we still have a sense of what is right in this country. We need that in order to reverse whatever comes our way.

            BTW, I’m watching football, but I still haven’t figured out what phrase you used twice? :)

        • penguin2
          • nessa

            We have to match them and wait to see the cards. The game of American politics hold-em is played with a sh*tload of wild cards.

            I’ll fight like hell up to the last card and then through the post apocalyptic socialist society that follows. I’ll tell my grandchildren “what it was once like in the United States when men were free” in hopes that one day they will regain the freedom we squandered.

            Are you a Star Trek fan? Check out “The Omega Glory.”

          • penguin2

            a winning hand. I was just getting concerned that we didn’t have any and no one tucked away an ace or two. But you’re right, if the outcome is dire and the Socialist Dems get it all, well then, we’ll fight to the very end, to change it.

            Interesting thought you brought up about what we may eventually have to tell our grandchildren. We are probably the last generation of such affluence and freedom that America will see for some time.

            Yes, I am a Star Trek fan. I’ll check out “The Omega Glory.” For some reason the link does not work for me, but I’ll look it up. Thanks

        • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

          …under the mistaken view that we could simply reverse this with favorable elections in 2010.

          The same goes for Cap and Trade and EFCA notably, and any other garbage that comes down the pike (like the expansion of Hate Laws)

          I was NOT making a prediction that it was a done deal, just observing that the Democratic leadership believes that anything they pass will be irreversible (and a camel nose into the tent) because they will have the numbers to prevent any Congressional reversal at least through 2012 (because Obama has the veto pen) and later if we don’t get 61 committed Senators plus the House.

          And the longer ObamaCare is on the books, the harder it will be to reverse.

          Given those numbers, my point was that the Democratic leadership won’t mind forcing a vote that could risk losing some senators and Blue Dogs because they have a lot of buffer for defending anything they get through in future Congresses.

          And since passage of these bills will enable their money and industry capture strategy, they are also betting that they can hold on to their gains come 2010 given media saturation, a pliant press, and short memories of swing voters who don’t even focus until shortly before the election and go with the trend of the moment – 2009 will be ancient history for them.

          And if they’re correct, then we will be at the edge of a one-party state (or perhaps over the edge). But that’s a longer-term worry and rather speculative at this point.

          Right now, again, the point is to not give up an inch voluntarily in the name of “bipartisanship” or “polity” because that is lost forever – make them force their way if they can, but no help from the Republican side of the aisle.

          The Democrats have started an all-out gun fight – we must not go up against them with rubber knives.

    • rrlandis

      Don’t be surprised if: 1) There are no elections. 2) If there are elections, they will be rigged. 3) If there are elections, the roll of congress will be greatly weakened.

      The corruption that got us into this mess will not be readily agreeable to see their people voted out of office. Once the CZARS are fully empowered, congress will not be needed

      If this is true, then it is also true that there are many in congress who are being used and don’t have a clue they might be looking for another line of work.

      • nessa

        You’re absolutely right about stealing the elections. They couldn’t just eliminate them so quickly, but their support of ACORN over the years has paid huge dividends. Look at the junior idiot from Minnesota.

        We’re treading perilously close to conspiracy theory now but this is the only thing I can imagine to explain even considering passing a bill with 60% of the American people against it. Its political suicide unless they believe it will provide them the power to negate that 60% of the American populace.

        To adapt a line from EPU, Tyrannus delenda est

    • clowngirl

      If blue dogs think a vote for Obamacare will be forgiven and forgotten by 2010 they live on an even more distant planet than the rest of their party.

      Obamacare may not be scheduled to go into effect until 2013 but there’s sure to be plenty of outrages to dig into between now and then – if Obamacare were to pass (and I still don’t think it will) citizens aren’t going to just throw up their hands, there would be efforts to publicize – and to repealf the most egregious provisions. (Which would provide incentive to put Republicans back in control of Congress)

      Besides that – they just aren’t going to get away with passing a bill that 60% of the country now opposes, that costs a trillion dollars we don’t have, that socializes medicine, destroys freedom and potentially jeopardizes the quality and availability of care, puts life and death decisions in the hands of bureaucrats, adds and individual mandate that Obama campaigned saying he wouldn’t add…. there’s enough Americans who’d still be disgusted by such a stunning abuse of power to ensure it would be more than a few “moderates” losing their seats.

  • archer52

    The Dems are all in with the chips. Obama gave them a window and they are jumping through it with both feet. If they lose some people along the way, it is okay with them. This is war and in all wars there are casualties.

    Besides there is no guarantee the revolt at the booth will occur. It is a measured risk at best. They control a number of key states at the state level, including the recording of votes. Remember what happened in Minnesota. They also control the streets- remember Philly.

    Like I said a number of times before, the hardest thing to do when you are inside a revolution is to gain perspective. You just can’t get far enough away to see the whole picture. I can imagine there were million upon millions of citizens throughout history who just didn’t see it coming, were surprised when it arrived and were frozen in place because they had no options left.

    Beware.

    • bags64

      i have no confidence that the voting will be fairly recorded. you cannot beat cheating.

  • bags64

    and public pressure should still mean something… i hope.

    • clowngirl

      If I’m understanding the plan that politico just outed correctly, it looks like they were hoping to pass health care so sneakily that at least some Congress people could claim to have not realized what is going on. It sounds like they were counting on stealth.

      But it’s possible I don’t understand correctly. Passing healthcare by attaching it to some other bill?- adding a public option AFTER bypassing the chance to filibuster? Skipping the conference… this is all seriously messed up.

      There are checks in place to prevent (as best as possible) tyranny of the majority (or super majority in this case) this is such an hamfisted abuse of power that I would think even a lot of people who support Obamacare are likely to be appalled.

    • Richard Mullins

      2009. Now we can look at what you do on the internet and have copies of the bills on our Hard disks. Well, what a different world we live in.

  • louisiana

    to stop this. I have called & e-mailed LA Congress people every week. This is the most disgusting, lying, & deceitful administration ever. What’s to keep them from doing this for any bill they want passed?

    • http://fairfaxgardener.blogspot.com ddstrain

      Welcome to the era of the Neo-Progs.

  • redneck_hippie
    • http://fairfaxgardener.blogspot.com ddstrain
      • redneck_hippie

        They are Weimar.

        • Achance

          but didn’t move on to the one party rule of Lenin’s style of communism. In the late ’20s, smart money would have bet on the communists. Business saw that and so did the NSDAP who wooed and won business – lots of parallels to what Comrade Obama has done with and to business. Communists are VERY good at learning from their mistakes and losing Germany is the biggest mistake they ever made and which almost cost them Soviet Russia. The “fall” of the USSR in the early ’90s is really merely a setback; they’re still communists.

          • rrlandis

            I believe we are headed into global takeover that is far greater than any tyranny this world has seen thus far.

          • whodare

            In a socialist or communist state, doctors and hospitals are acually run by the state. Doctors are employed by the government, hospitials are managed and run by the government. I have seen nothing in the democratic plan that calls for this. We need to pick our battles and this one is a loser.

          • DONTTREADONME

            listen, I think you are being disingenuous.

            If medicare reimburses the doctors for seeing the patients, who’s paying the doctors again? So, if a public option pays the doctors and then the private health insurance folds, who’s paying the doctors? That’s what I thought.

          • whodare

            My understanding is that they set a fee schedule and the doctors are paid by the public plan, same as Medicare and Medicaid. I am saying that with solcialized medicine, the doctors are employees of the state, that’s all. We need to be real here right?

          • DONTTREADONME

            employees of the state. How is that not clear, I’m a contractor paid by the federal government, yes I am a private employee, but I am still do my work and get paid by the state. Defacto Government employed with cheaper overhead. Now with the 0bama policy of moving all of the positions that employ contractors to the Government, what does that make me? Unemployed, unless I want the Government position. Are you following me there Moby?

          • whodare

            I own a company that bills medicare for medical supplies under part B.
            If there was a public option, I would be paid by that entity in the same way.
            Doctors are paid by medicare part be just like I am. Public option would work the same way.

          • Richard Mullins

            lots of money. I’m sure you’ll be getting a visit from the FBI task force on Medicare fraud.

          • DONTTREADONME

            redstate right now, conservative/republican my rear end. Let him go Richard he’s supposedly a not-to-bright rightwinger from NC, so he has to have the last word.

          • whodare

            I am not a coservative republican. Right wingo for sure. Mercenary capitalist, you bet. I wrote the bio tongue in cheek.

          • whodare

            Medicare is esstially and insurance company. I also bill Aetna BC, United.
            To us they are just a payer for the supplies, equipment and services that collect on behalf of the patient. Just letting you know how it works. We are essentially a customer of the insurance companies and government who negotiate fees with us. It’s all cool, capitalism is good!

          • DONTTREADONME

            again, your are flying a view that has no wings. Medical supplies bought by medicare, Now what happens when the Government becomes the only source you sell to? Easy, you become dictated to by the state and you’re defacto Government employed and Government dependant. How is this so hard for you to understand? I just gave you a real world example where my services are paid for by the Federal Government, now that the Federal Government has decided it wants to bring my capability in-house I am out of a job unless I take the Government position. It wont be long before the Government starts asking you about the fairness of the price you charge and how much profit you make. This is what will happen, because it is already beginning, understand? BTW, you sell Emus, not medicare?

          • Richard Mullins

            that the I figure it. If he comes up with names that sound like people, no one will bother him.

          • DONTTREADONME

            anyway, leave the sleeping Emu with his head in the sand lie, we’ve said our peace, he has the proverbial rope to hang himself with. I am going to take Art’s lead and leave this guy to argue with himself, you should to. No need in ruining a good Saturday night, now its back to my work.

          • whodare

            g’night

          • whodare

            I don’t see the danger of the government becoming the only player, there is no precident for that. As an entrepreneur, I welcome the opportunity for another competitor in the marketplace. We are in the same relm as the consumer in this regard. I respect that you think the government has some nafarious intent here. I don’t happen to think that is the case.

          • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

            Enjoy. And keep in mind other bills are even more nefarious in the taxes they will impose. No, the government won’t be the only player right away. Yes, by 2013 all the pieces will be in place for them to be if it passes. Now shoo!

          • whodare

            What bill? They haven’t come up with a bill yet. The senate votes Tuesday on the finance committee’s version but it no one has seen it, it’s not in the public domain.

          • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

            to the House bill. It’s why the Senate bill isn’t in the public domain, because it created such outage.

            Congratulations. You’re the first troll I’ve ever called an idiot. Apologies to the admins for a possible site rule infraction. But not to you, whodare.

          • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim
          • gekster
          • DONTTREADONME

            haven’t seen you around in quite some time.

          • mom2oneson
          • gekster

            I took a month off the internet as a whole to get to see what the outside world was like again.

          • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

            Welcome back gekster

          • $peciallist

            you were golfing…

          • gekster

            I got to say I did miss all of you.
            andi’m more into video games,
            it would beTtiger Woods Golf for the wii
            if I was playing..

            And I don’t think I’ll do that again.
            I started on Monday and just now I’m getting cought up with all the e-mail.

          • whodare

            and I’m the idiot? ;o)

          • whodare

            That is not the bill. The bill is coming out of the senate and if passed will be sent to the house. The house has withdrawn HR3200 and deferring to the senate.

          • Jack_Savage

            You are a liar.

            How do I know this? No enterpreneur would welome a competitor who not only is in charge of setting the rules for the competition, but is allowed to operate with a net loss indefinitely.

            That’s not competition, and the government is not a competitor. You need to tell us who you really are, or expect to be banned for posting in bad faith.

          • whodare

            not competition to me….competition in the market place for insurance options.
            I am a libertariian, I told you. I just don’t drink the kool aid thats all.

          • Jack_Savage

            And I said you were a liar. You need to asnwer the charge.

          • Richard Mullins

            or at least stop smoking whatever your smoking.

          • Achance
        • http://fairfaxgardener.blogspot.com ddstrain

          was simply thinking about the extensive use of manipulation and machination used in the Reichtag to ram through the agenda … then the mindless rubberstamping and ceding of power to a single man.

          In terms of what the agenda actually is and the related bungling and mis-management … yes, more akin to Weimar

          • whodare

            The Reichtag was set on fire by Nazis and blamed on the Czchs so that they could invade and begin their imperialistic ambitions of the political forces of that time. Hitler as a marginal figure with a populist message due to the fact that at that time there parties were so fractured he was able to take over as chancellor with around a third of the vote. During the Bush administration following 9/11, the executive branch expanded it’s powers dramatically and today Obama has the benefit of that legacy. The Patriot Act opened the door for much of what you fear. Libertarians are worried and they should be. No one went to jail for torture, rendition and illegal wire tapping. This means that Obama or whoever come after them can continue this as the law is weighed heavily toward precedent.

          • Richard Mullins
          • DONTTREADONME

            illegal wiretapping is not illegal if the call originates outside ot the U.S. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah… You’re an idiot.

          • whodare

            Hey, just trying to liven things up. Obama has expaned executive power that was handed down by from the Bush administration. Do you argue with that?

          • Richard Mullins

            but this isn’t one of them.

          • DONTTREADONME

            1. disagree with you period, the expansion of 0 power was started by himself.
            2. Go take care of your Emus and get a GED
            3. threadjack is now over.
            4. Bye

          • whodare

            If you don’t want to have a discussion, I’m cool with that.

          • Richard Mullins
          • DONTTREADONME

            and Saddam Hussein. Read up on Reichstag sometime outside of wikipedia and look what happened after it was burnt down, now think to yourself who else purged the “traitors” during the rise to power.

          • http://fairfaxgardener.blogspot.com ddstrain
          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            I’d say that it’s been fun, except that it wasn’t.

          • redneck_hippie

            without being interrupted by a moron, sometimes. I apologize for inserting the N word. Your point, dd, is well taken. Had I known it would start a gargantuan threadjack, I’d have spoken in tongues, or in code or sprayed some essence toxic to the neuron-challenged.

  • MacAoidh

    …they will have only themselves to blame for the whirlwind which follows. And there WILL be a whirlwind. Think 1861.

    • BlueStateSaint

      Will be terrible for the country at large, and especially the Left. Remember, they don’t like private gun ownership.

      We do.

    • pilgrim
      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        It will be more like 1994, only bigger.

        • Achance

          If they get card check, we have a one-party system, so unless you’re willing to take to the hills with a rifle, we’re all communists then.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            and could be reversed, but I admit that is an optimistic view.

          • pilgrim
          • Achance
          • IJB

            But I suspect, deep down, they know this, which is why they’ll frantically pull up on the stick before it makes a big crater.

            Dem-Commies talk a good game. But there’s usually no follow-through.

  • IJB

    Literally.

    All the hand-wringing on our side completely misses the point – if the Dems try to screw this many people over this way, they WILL be made to pay. And it may very well be in blood.

    • BlueStateSaint

      For putting the Obamessiah there.

  • http://www.realityunwound.com realityunwound

    I’m like a lot of people who comment here in that I regularly vacillate between smiling at the historical writing on the wall (Democratic overreaching guarantees the swift ebb of their power) and knee-buckling fear of the irreversible (you can’t undo entitlements).

    Beneath all of that, life has convinced me that fear and panic are weak and fleeting emotions in the face of things that will remain. There are definitely forces greater than any current political reality and its attendant implications. When Faith, Hope, and Love remain, even if everything else in a man is defeated, his condition can be bettered.

    My faith is not in our legislators, my FAITH is in Americans. Our collective reaction to George W. Bush led us to take a flyer in November. We gambled on the rhetoric of hope and change. It was a flyer, it was NOT a declaration of permanent political intent. Painless as it is, It was my generations (30 somethings) chance to learn as my parents learned from Jimmy Carter. But we will learn and move forward. I take great comfort that President Obama is as different from Candidate Obama as North is from South. Faith assures me that regardless of the legislative freak show he foists on the people, nothing is irreversible in America. I don’t believe Americans will accept that we can’t do whatever the hell we want. After all, we were created free!!

    I also cling to the deeply embedded hope that things aren’t what they seem.. At the San Antonio Tea party, with 16,000 of my closest friends I found that hope does not disappoint. My former life as a hippie, on-the-road following a band with the beautiful people qualifies me to say that the Glen-Beck-loving, Ted-Nugent-cheering throng in San Antonio was more satisfying and real than any show I went to… better smelling too! I don’t believe even Fox news (much less those others) can adequately capture or convey the steady quiet beat of the American heart for freedom. The shrill voices in our media culture inevitably drowns out the steady persistent whisper of freedom loving Americans.

    My hope is rooted in the fact that those who set the philosophical cornerstone of national in our founding documents handed down more than quill parchment… they handed us a deeply seated national legacy of freedom. Because I hope, I am prepared to wait for that legacy to ooze out of if we nuzzle too closely with freedom -pinching ideas that seem to be all the vogue in D.C. Philosophy fills the academy, and is paid little attention by those committed to the business of living free (that’s part of the problem with liberalism, it is content with empty philosophical constructs and rarely accounts for the influence of human nature). No matter how badly Obama and friends wish it: we are not Europeans, and as a national demographic (I love what I’m about to write) we’re closer to George W. Bush than to Barack H. Obama.

    Finally, I love this country, and I am not alone. Much of the world (incidentally, a MUCH smaller percent than we are led to believe) “dislikes” us and is offended by us because they envy and revile what they don’t understand. They don’t understand a ready willingness to fight and die for principles like freedom around the world, even at the expense of our sons and daughters. They derisively mock us as imperialists cowboys, as they aggressively import our culture every day. I honestly mean no disrespect to global friends and neighbors, I willingly accept being disrespected and reviled as the price of global leadership. To whom much is given, much is required.

    You and I weren’t surprised to see the start of a backlash about Obama’s policies from the wealthy intelligentsia when it dawned on them that their paper ideas had come to life, jumped off the page, and began to deal the fierce consequences that were only imagined before… it was as if they forgot that the wealth to be redistributed was THEIR wealth. The ruling left knows this, but they don’t understand it. They just feel in their gut the increasing urgency that rises up when battling on the wrong side against the tide of history and a finely tuned national heritage accustomed to freedom.

    Historically, If anything were permanent, eternal, and timeless, it should have been colonial Britain at the twilight of the 18th century. Yet, the greatest imperialist force since Alexander the Great was tossed aside by a poorly assembled and expertly led group of committed idealists. Those patriots bent the curve of history toward freedom, and they stand today as a faithful cloud of witnesses, urging us on, encouraging us to embrace the idea that only one thing is Eternal: the Creator who endows us daily with the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Legislation can be overturned… maybe not easily, but it can be done.

    I love that Glen Beck used “Common Sense” as the title for his latest treatise. Thomas Paine inspired patriotism calls us forward to take hold of our inheritance in, “The Crisis.” Paine challenged weary revolutionaries and calls to us today when he says, “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country… Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.”

    Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness will never pass from the American consciousness. Even if it seems they have been attacked into dormancy like a rolly-poley protectively curled, and even if this current administration were to become a force of tyrannical oppression, Faith, Hope, and Love will remain and have their way.

    We are Americans. That is enough.

    • Vegas_Rick

      I’d love to read the expanded version in a diary. Well said!

      • Vegas_Rick
    • larryp

      power back,decison -type power, the Squish-Gopers will ay, “well, this part isn’t so bad, and we can work with this program, we can have hearings on this czar and that czar znd keep them…it all isn’t bad…
      Crawl into your bottles of booze,Squishes. Not tinterested in any of the Obama
      program or people.

    • Scope

      It is so awsome it needs it’s own page. Please post this as a diary, please!

      • pilgrim

        http://www.redstate.com/realityunwound/2009/10/10/nothing-is-irreversible/

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • DavidSage

    What Democrats might end up doing is throwing themselves out of power for a generation in order to pass a bill that never actually goes into effect.

    If the Democrats do ram it through in a sneaky way, the backlash is going to be even greater than the already toxic environment. If the legislation is both unpopular and passed in a manner that seems illegitimate, even voters on the fence are going to want to punish Democrats.

    Also, if it is passed this way, I know Newt has said it would make it very easy to simply defund it as soon as Republicans have a simple majority.

    Also, there’s simply no way the US can afford to actually have Universal Health Care, it’s simply impossible to fund with our current debt levels, so I don’t actually see it ever happening, even if liberals control every branch of government and pass the legislation. It’s sort of like the situation in California, eventually you hit a wall.

    I still would prefer no health care legislation is passed, even if means Republicans won’t do as well on election day, simply because I’ve seen history, and it’s very hard to end entitlements and my guess is some form of it would probably be with us for a long time.

    • izoneguy

      is making a bad situation worse…
      And it will happen within months….
      Not decades or years.
      Social Security took about 70 years? or so
      and it will be bankrupt.
      MediCare – about 40 years….
      Universal Health Care will be bankrupt before it starts.
      At this rate – the healthcare blackmarket will be far larger
      then any government run plan could ever be.
      Doctors will want to be paid in gold and thousands of
      undercover operating rooms will be the norm.

      • IJB

        I’d laugh if the end result of the Dems ramming through a massively unpopular Single Payer bill, is that it actually alters the political environment enough to take apart SS and Medicare.

        But, if they keep this up, what with massively rising debt and a plummeting dollar, with the massive inflation and unemployment that goes along with that, the old political ‘Rule Book’ may get thrown out in exactly the way the Dems don’t want it to.

        If that happens, I’ll have a big hearty laugh!…

        • izoneguy

          You cannot grow money on trees….
          America is between Barack & a hard place.
          The guy just won a Nobel Prize but that won’t
          save his presidency. Obama is waging war
          on the wrong people.

    • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

      They will simply declare health care to be a Constitutional right and require continued funding. Or perhaps declare that a binding contract was made with the bill’s enactment. Or perhaps they’ll invent some other legal justification to enforces the Justice’s political preferences – hand-picked by Obama.

      Once the horses are out, shutting the barn door won’t help. You need to keep the dang doors shut in the first place!

      • redneck_hippie

        In general, the people who don’t need it are the ones who would be for its extinction. That is a minority of people would support fiscal reality. These entitlements will only go away once the bills are no longer paid. And single payer is the quickest way to that end. The entitlements were dying at an accelerating pace. Single payer would clear the field when other peoples’ money finally runs out. Of course, by then there would be no private sector left and we would officially be in the hands of one party rule as well.

  • Dan Perrin

    Talk Business: Lincoln Leading Transparency Effort
    ?Citing a ?frustrated? electorate and low Congressional approval numbers, Lincoln called for a 3-day public notice period for health reform legislation to be considered before any vote could take place. Her proposal calls for legislative text and complete budget costs from the Congressional Budget Office to be posted on a public website at least 72 hours prior to a first vote on any health care bill.? [Talk Business, 10/6/09]

    Arkansas News Bureau: Lincoln: Transparency Matters
    ?U.S. Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., says she wants Arkansans and all Americans to get a good look at health care overhaul legislation before it moves forward in the Senate ?. ?What?s wrong with taking our time to ensure that not only do we get it right but there?s a comfort level in the people we represent? That?s important,? Lincoln told reporters during a conference call today.? [Arkansas News Bureau?s Politics in Arkansas blog, 10/6/09]

    OzarksFirst: Lincoln on Greater Transparency in Health Insurance Reform
    ?Lincoln?s plan for greater transparency regarding health insurance reform legislation would require the following legislative text and complete budget costs from the Congressional Budget Office to be posted on a public website at least 72 hours prior to the first vote and the final agreement between the House of Representatives and the Senate and complete costs of the final bill made available to the public for 72 hours prior to the vote on final passage in the Senate.? [OzarksFirst, 10/7/09]

    CQ: Moderate Democrats Demand Transparency in Final Health Care Bill
    ?Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., a Finance Committee member, took the lead in outlining the group?s detailed request in a letter to Reid. The effort by the seven Democrats and one independent is significant because the overhaul is unlikely to succeed without their backing. Also, several said that if they do not get their way, they might use procedural tactics to block consideration of the overhaul.? [Congressional Quarterly, 10/6/09]

    Wall Street Journal: What?s the Rush?
    ?Eight Democratic Senators have written Majority Leader Harry Reid and asked him to post the final health care bill on the Internet for at least 72 hours before any vote. They also want all amendments posted before they are debated.? [Wall Street Journal, 10/7/09]

    Congress Daily: Senate Timetable Slips As Moderates Demand Waiting Period
    ?The moderates want the text as amended and modified CBO scores available electronically 72 hours before a final vote on the measure. If Reid determines he must acquiesce to the moderates to get the bill passed, such efforts could delay a final vote further by a few weeks at least.

    ?Whether or not our constituents agree with the direction of the debate, many are frustrated and lacking accurate information on the emerging proposals in Congress,? the senators wrote.

    ?Without a doubt, reforming health care in America is one of the most monumental and far-reaching undertakings considered by this body in decades. We believe the American public’s participation in this process is critical to our overall success of creating a bill that lowers healthcare costs and offers access to quality and affordable health care for all Americans.?? [Congress Daily, 10/7/09]

  • engineer4america

    I hope the general voting public sees this for the horrid folly it is.
    But alas I am so pessimistic I am afraid that they wont understand, wont care and wont act. Instead by the time 2010 comes it will be old news forgotten and the more important thing will be the next sports championship. My pessimism comes from the fact it took near all of heaven to pass Prop 8 in CA when it should have passed by a 90 to 10 margin.
    There is little understanding of the governmental and moral consequences of what is happening. Last night on CBS the show Medium the story dealt with a doctor that was killing his cancer patients. The argument he presented showed the arrogance of the intellectuals like the bulk of the Obama government.
    This is how they see themselves as superior to all other humans and so have the right to decide for those that are sick whether to die or not. They base their decisions on their superior knowledge, the cost of care and the impact on others. It didn’t matter whether or not the patient wanted to live. This is not just theater it is theater reflecting real life.
    The Obama administration and the current Democratic Congress and leadership think this way. They are condescending, elitist and dismissive of all who think differently. This will not change even if they are thrown from office which I pray they will be.

    • bs
    • nessa
  • Hoosier Economist

    However, the call to arms by some leads to a very dark place. The conservative movement has so much to offer the American people if its ideals are explicated clearly and consistently. The proposal of armed opposition threatens to damage the potential for a political comeback by marginalizing conservatism as some sort of lunatic fringe.

    Stay the course and stay strong. The country will be ready for the reemergence of conservatism sooner than you may believe.

  • rrlandis

    I wonder how far fetched it is to think that maybe the only way this will pass is through or with the push of his health czar.

  • whodare

    I can’t afford healthcare but I would rather die than have the government provide it. I will hope to live until I can get medicare.

    • rrlandis

      Don’t count on the stability of medicare or any other government health program. The talk about weakening medicare already exists. I strongly suggest you do what you can support your own good health, and that includes homeopathic treatments and supplements.

      One more thing, you might want to think about having food storage for you and your family (A YEAR’S SUPPLY IF POSSIBLE), a short wave and/or emergency radio, extra clothing and medicine, and anything else to sustain your life for a long period of time. There are companies that can help with this, also check out providentliving.org.

      Is this crazy? Well, think about what you need if you’re faced with no income, gas prices are to high, total government control, etc.

      • ajl_mo

        Patrick Swayze would be proud.

      • mom2oneson

        I’m not a member and have never been to one but I know the lds canneries have very low prices. If you are within driving distance see if you can make an appointment. Some may require you go with a member but they should be able to arrange that if you ask.
        http://www.providentliving.org/location/map/0,12566,2026-1-4,00.html

    • ajl_mo

      awesome

  • http://www.incredibleco.ning.com Incredible

    I think that you’re funny. Redstate doesn’t tolerate trolls, though. See ya at Kos! (I go for the schadenfreude.)

  • davecatbone

    stand up in Washington and announce to the country and the Democrat party, that the GOP will use every single tactic against the Democrat Progressives that are being used against us? The Right will push through all their agenda with 51 votes, and will initiate criminal investigations of all former Democrat administrations and congressmen. Think that’ll get anybody’s attention?