Dana Milbank of the Washington Post is funny, in his rendition of Majority Leader Reid and his quest to put $250 billion in ObamaCare off-budget, adding it to the deficit. It really is worth the read, here are his first paragraphs:
“I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future — period,” President Obama told Congress in a health-care address last month.
Well, that depends on what the meaning of “plan” is….So Democrats hatched a novel scheme: They would pass the legislation separately, so the $250 billion cost wouldn’t be part of the main reform “plan,” thereby allowing the president to claim that that bill wouldn’t increase the deficit.
Or this: “Finally we’re coming to the first vote on health-care reform, and what do the Democrats propose to do?” Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) asked at the microphones. “They propose to raise the national debt by . . . a quarter of a trillion dollars, plus $50 billion interest.”
There is plenty of good stuff in the piece, especially the quote by Senator Reid who essentially said — I did it because the White House told me to do it (he lost the cloture vote on the motion to proceed 47 to 53, Reid needs 60 votes to shut down a filibuster.)
OK, I cannot resist to quote Milbank’s Senator Stabenow stuff:
“The sponsor of the doc fix, Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), seemed unconcerned that the fix had put the party in one. “It really is about honest budgeting,” she said at a news conference Tuesday morning. On one side of her stood the AMA president. On the other side was a poster framed by a flag. One of its bullet points: “Honest budgeting.”
Honestly? A decade ago, Congress passed legislation designed to limit health-care costs by slowing the growth of Medicare payments to doctors. Each year, Congress passes a “patch” to prevent the cuts from taking effect. Stabenow proposed to make this system “honest” by eliminating the cuts permanently.
Medicare is hurtling toward insolvency, but Stabenow would essentially repeal past cost-cutting efforts. And even granting that it’s a good idea not to cut Medicare payments to doctors, it’s a strange interpretation of honesty to separate this $250 billion cost from the health-care bill and then claim that the other bill doesn’t raise the deficit.”
Stabenow an Embarassment to Michigan
Spartan4Life Wednesday, October 21st at 6:58PM EDT (link)One of my proudest moments politically was voting against her in her first run for the Senate. I think she has put on a hundred pounds since then.
I don’t live there any more so they are stuck with her now. How the once proud state of my youth keeps voting for these same tired ideas is a mystery to me. I think it is because most people with any sense have already bailed on the state.
Senator Stab-me-now
WarEagle01 Wednesday, October 21st at 7:24PM EDT (link)is a remarkable piece of work. I saw her performance with the chart on CSPAN today. It was comedy gold.
“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg
it appears to be a trend...
Dan Perrin Wednesday, October 21st at 9:49PM EDT (link)about the view of Senator Stabenow
Zero didn't say "by one dime or more"
6eorge Jetson Wednesday, October 21st at 7:30PM EDT (link)and since the doc fix will add 2.5 trillion dimes to the national debt, INoAmBush aka BsCare* can claim he’s just delievering what he promised.
The next time he chooses a single point number to avoid, INoAmBush aka BsCare should pick $516.32**.
* The letters in INoAmBush aka BsCare can be rearranged to form the name of a certain Democratic politican.
** The winning prize on the Gong Show.
Hold off on that Mammogram for 10 years
Perhaps his "not one dime" thing
Dan Perrin Wednesday, October 21st at 9:48PM EDT (link)will end up being the equivalent of President Clinton holding up his pen at the joint session of Congress — you know, his I will veto it speech
Is S. 1776 dead?
DerKrieger Wednesday, October 21st at 9:02PM EDT (link)Is that how I should read this “…he lost the cloture vote on the motion to proceed 47 to 53, Reid needs 60 votes to shut down a filibuster.”
I called both my Dem senators for what it was worth.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
yes, S. 1776 is dead
Dan Perrin Wednesday, October 21st at 9:45PM EDT (link)and thanks for calling!
Don't know if your senator is a blue or yellow dog, but yes, yes, yes on
The_Gadfly Wednesday, October 21st at 10:08PM EDT (link)the big THANK YOU for calling.
Technically they could call the bill up at any point or vote on another cloture motion, but Reid was doing a very very impressive imitation of Baghdad Bob today. News clip I saw said he only brought it to the floor because the AMA had assured him of a number of Republican votes for the bill and he was sure he’d win the vote. Instead he not only had unified opposition, he had 3 of “his” people voting against it. If this had been the actual Senate healthcare bill, it would have been defeated for the congressional calendar year. This was a huge victory. The AMA won’t support the unified healthcare reform proposal unless the Medicare reimbursement rates are set high enough so doctors aren’t losing money on the procedures. Putting those changes into the bill breaks it. They either wind up explicitly making even bigger tax increases or the CBO scores it as a budget buster.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
Well Obamais right
antisocial Wednesday, October 21st at 9:25PM EDT (link)His reform would not add “one dime” to our deficits either now or in future. 250 Billion is not a dime. Don’t try to indulge in mathematical trickery.
No you can’t - Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
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Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Chris Smith (NJ-04)
Leonard Lance (NJ-07)
John M. McHugh (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-08)
witty
Dan Perrin Wednesday, October 21st at 9:45PM EDT (link)n/t
She's kind of an idiot
saterp Wednesday, October 21st at 9:27PM EDT (link)I met Sen Stabenow 10 years ago in DC. She struck me as being not very intelligent. Apparently I was a good judge of intellect.
Not the sharpest tool
Dan Perrin Wednesday, October 21st at 9:46PM EDT (link)in the shed
Hmmmmmm
banzaibob Wednesday, October 21st at 10:16PM EDT (link)What does that say about the people who keep on voting for her?
Pax Per Vis Tacita
The problem is not with people
antisocial Wednesday, October 21st at 10:27PM EDT (link)The problem is with people who challenge her politically. The perception is the key. Perhaps her challengers can’t get their message out effectively.
Maybe I am wrong but I refuse to believe most people are stupid. It’s just that not everybody is as involved in politics as some are. They are so busy in their daily lives that they don’t pay enough attention. They base their judgment on the limited knowledge that they get during campaigns.
If you were not so involved would you be as informed?
No you can’t - Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
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Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Chris Smith (NJ-04)
Leonard Lance (NJ-07)
John M. McHugh (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-08)
Stabenow is a cow
makemyday Wednesday, October 21st at 9:51PM EDT (link)I’m from Michigan and she is on my list. I send emails to her weekly and get her boiler plate answers to everything. I vote against her, I communicate with her and I am done with being passive and want to go viral. Somebody in the SW Oakland county contact me so that I can assist in her demise.
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)
“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777
My dad used to say
DerKrieger Wednesday, October 21st at 10:03PM EDT (link)…that many elites were educated beyond their intelligence.
Stabenow is empowered beyond her competence.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Who Voted For Anybody Named "Debbie" To Begin WIth?
Ausonius Wednesday, October 21st at 10:09PM EDT (link)Who was her Republican opponent?
I lived in Toledo right across the border for 30 years and heard the gruesome nature of Michigan politics very often: To call Stabenow a cow, however, is an insult to our bovine friends!
They at least are useful!
Spencer Abraham
makemyday Wednesday, October 21st at 10:31PM EDT (link)is who she beat, a pretty good conservative:
Abraham, Edward Spencer (b. 1952) — also known as Spencer Abraham — of East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich.; Auburn Hills, Oakland County, Mich. Born in East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich., June 12, 1952. Son of Juliette Elizabeth Abraham and Eddie Joseph Abraham. Republican. Lawyer; Michigan Republican state chair, 1983-90; deputy chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle, 1990-91; U.S. Senator from Michigan, 1995-2001; defeated, 2000; delegate to Republican National Convention from Michigan, 2000; candidate for Presidential Elector for Michigan, 2000; U.S. Secretary of Energy, 2001-. Lebanese ancestry. Member, Federalist Society. Still living as of 2009.
See also: congressional biography; votes in Congress from the Washington Post; Wikipedia article; NNDB dossier; Internet Movie Database profile.
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)
“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777
Debbie Stabenow
makemyday Wednesday, October 21st at 10:38PM EDT (link)Here is her work history:
Stabenow, Debbie See Deborah Ann Stabenow
Stabenow, Deborah Ann (b. 1950) — also known as Debbie Stabenow — of Lansing, Ingham County, Mich.; East Lansing, Ingham County, Mich. Born in Gladwin, Gladwin County, Mich., April 29, 1950. Democrat. Social worker; member of Michigan state house of representatives 58th District, 1979-90; member of Michigan state senate 24th District, 1991-94; candidate in primary for Governor of Michigan, 1994; candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Michigan, 1994; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Michigan, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008; U.S. Representative from Michigan 8th District, 1997-2001; U.S. Senator from Michigan, 2001-; member of Democratic National Committee from Michigan, 2008. Female. Methodist. Still living as of 2009.
See also: congressional biography; votes in Congress from the Washington Post; NNDB dossier; Internet Movie Database profile.
Both histories were from Politicalgraveyard.com
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)
“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777
She endeared me to her with the line:
gekster Wednesday, October 21st at 10:47PM EDT (link)I am proud to announce that we have banned drilling in the Great Lakes for ever.
A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
Ronald Reagan
Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, or even a troll every now and then.
kowalski: that was drilling for oil. <nt>
gekster Wednesday, October 21st at 10:48PM EDT (link)A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
Ronald Reagan
Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, or even a troll every now and then.
Funny, kowalski
Dan Perrin Wednesday, October 21st at 11:53PM EDT (link)lol
Don't even get me started..
makemyday Thursday, October 22nd at 9:44AM EDT (link)on Detroit, once the Arsenal of Democracy and now an empty shell of itself. I use Detoirt as a example in discussions with lefties as a model “Democrat run entity”. Hard to argue the point that we are better off with democrats in charge with that vision. Michigan un-employment is near 16% and climbing and Detroit is a huge chunk of that number. Republicans and conservatives (I keep the two separate) have a great opportunity in Michigan in 2010 starting with the governor where two Republicans are polling near double digit leads over the leading democrat, Cherry.
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)
“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777
The Danger of Democracy
Ausonius Thursday, October 22nd at 7:32AM EDT (link)“Spencer Abraham is who she beat, a pretty good conservative.”
The danger of democracy is that sometimes it is dumb.
Like last year.
Of course, maybe many of the conservatives have left Michigan, so only Dems are left to fight among themselves for the few remaining entrails.
Like in Detroit.
Another case for eliminating the direct election of senators, but we all have our fantasies!
Stabenow is a joke
Republican_Michigander Wednesday, October 21st at 11:26PM EDT (link)My very first non-primary election, I voted against her for Congress. Then I voted against her for Senate after than. Then six years later I did the same thing, and I plan on voting against her in 2012 as well.
She’s an idiot. The only good thing was that Mike Rogers took her spot in Congress.
Less Government, More Freedom
http://republicanmichigander.blogspot.com
Not One Dime!
illinoisconservative Thursday, October 22nd at 5:48AM EDT (link)Does anyone else besides me think we have hit upon a really great rallying cry to oppose this government boondoggle they call health care reform?
Not One Dime!
Not One Dime!
I can hear it now.. being shouted at town halls throughout the nation.
We need to really hit them hard on this. We have to show how duplicitous Obama is. He likes to pretend he’s all hands-off on health care, but he’s behind this.. make no mistake. They simply cannot fund healthcare without increasing the debt massively. We cannot let them pull this crap.. everything needs to be on the table as part of one healthcare plan and let the CBO rate that!
Not One Dime!
Not One Dime!
Not One Dime!
Not One Dime!