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Neither Reid nor Pelosi have the Votes

Like robots programed to march until they find a cliff and can march no longer, U.S. Senate Majority Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi have been forced into the most contorted public position on any legislation — perhaps ever.

Senator Durbin (D-IL), the U.S. Senate Majority Whip said yesterday that the left forced the Democrat’s hand, and we’ll “see where we come out.” (H/T Huffington Post.) Sen. Durbin did not say: we have the votes, we will win, but he said, we’ll see — read: we do not have the votes and don’t know if we will get the votes because we have not written the bill yet, nor have we scored it.

If either the Speaker or the Senate Majority Leader had the votes, they would be voting on the bill now.

Here is what Pelosi’s public-facing contortion looks like:

a) We must have a public option;

b) we will have a public option; and,

c) the royal we, have the votes for a public option.

But the reality for Speaker Pelosi, who tried the group-peer-pressure-routine on non-compliant House members on Friday in an emergency all-Dem House caucus meeting, is actually inverted:

a) the royal we, do not have the votes for a public option; and, therefore,

b) we may not have a public option; and,

c) the left will be disappointed but the votes are not there so we will just keep our base happy and tell them we tried.

This reality is too real, too hard, too unthinkable. But the unthinkable is being thunk (ok, so it’s a fun word): the auto-insistence that “we have the votes” masks a reality too difficult to thunk — so let’s all in the Leadership not think about it and insist that the night is day. Much better, don’t you think?

For the U.S. Majority Leader Harry Reid, his contortion looks like this, as described by the invaluable-bio-intel-collection-system known as Milbank (who writes for WaPo):

“What Harry Reid did Monday afternoon gave new meaning to the phrase “public option.”

The Senate majority leader, after haggling behind closed doors with members of his Democratic caucus, realized that he couldn’t cobble together the 60 votes he needed to pass health-care legislation with a government-run health plan. So Reid chose another option: He shut down the private talks, booked the Senate TV studio and went public with his own proposal.

“I’ve concluded,” he told the roomful of cameras and reporters, “that the best way to move forward is to include a public option.”

For Reid, it was an admission of the formidable power of liberal interest groups. He had been the target of a petition drive and other forms of pressure to bring the public option to the floor, and Monday’s move made him an instant hero on the left. Americans United for Change hailed him for refusing “to buckle in the face of withering pressure from the big insurance companies.” MoveOn.org admired his “leadership in standing up to the special interests.”

Reid, facing a difficult reelection contest next year at home in Nevada, will need such groups to bring Democrats to the polls if he is to survive. But there were a few problems with the leader’s solo move. He shifted the public pressure from himself to half a dozen moderates in his caucus. And he defied the Obama White House, which had hoped to keep a bipartisan patina on health-care reform by maintaining the support of Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine).

Then there was the small matter of lacking the votes to pass the public option. “Do you feel 100 percent sure right now that you have the 60 votes?” CNN’s Dana Bash inquired. Reid looked down at the lectern. He looked up at the ceiling. He chuckled. He put his palms together as if in prayer. Then he spoke. “My caucus believes strongly there should be health-care reform” was the non sequitur he offered.

Bash reminded the leader that she had asked him “particularly on this idea of a public option.”

Instead of answering, Reid, with a Zen expression, looked to the back of the room to solicit a question from somebody else. But Bash piped up again. “Senator Reid, with all due respect, is it possible to answer the question on whether or not you have the votes?”

“I believe we clearly will have the support of my caucus to move to this bill and start legislating,” he replied, which also didn’t answer the question.”

The quote above about Senator Reid is taken from Dana Milbank’s column today in the Washington Post titled “Harry Reid, shopping for reelection insurance.”

Senator Reid has a consensus for discovering on the Senate floor, what the consensus really is — and it may just be that the consensus is that Senators would rather not take a series of tough votes on taxes, spending, the deficit, abortion, illegal immigration, guns, Medicare cuts, the public option and an increase of government control and interference in daily American life.

Ultimately, for U.S. Senators’ whose prime directive is to stay in the U.S. Senate, health care reform on the Senate floor is beginning to look like a no-win-electoral-strength-sapping-exercise, which can be ended quickly, with a handful of Democrats voting not to end the 100% certain filibuster.

Why take dozens of tough votes, which touch on every thermonuclear political issue in the United States, when you can, instead, take only one vote that spin up the uber-left but keep every other nterest group known to man not angry at you, and make a majority of independents happy too?

The political calculation leans heavily in favor of, you know, come to mention it, I’d, uh, rather not. Unless everyone is acting irrationally, i.e., not acting in their own interest, I expect this calculation to be the dominant one.

And note to historians, this political calculation has nothing to do with health policy, which everyone will continue to say needs reform. The foregoing is why Democrats and Republicans would rather talk about reforming health care, rather than doing health care reform. Over-reaching is endemic and politically lethal in health care reform, but the reform illusion is sure fun to live in.

COMMENTS

  • IJB

    These guys have no idea what’s coming – reality is about to slap them in the face, and punch them in the kidneys, and the self-proclaimed ‘Progressives’ don’t even see it coming.

    This will be fun.
    Get popcorn… :)

    (And added slap will be the Nov. 3 election results – the Left looks likely to lose 3 out of 4, and may even lose all 4 if CA-10 keeps going the way it looks like it’s going.)

  • bk

    Don’t forget, Obama has around $600,000,000,000 of taxpayer dough sitting around just looking for somewhere to “stimulate”. Lincoln and Landrieu can be bought off. I can’t imagine Ben Nelson would vote no if the other 59 Ds vote yes. The only one who couldn’t be bought off is Robert Byrd, but I’m assuming he’s on board else it would be DOA since they’ve thrown Snowe under the bus.

    • IJB

      And DaveInFL (where *is* DaveInFL?!).

      The Dems don’t have the votes. They *never* had the votes.

      This is truly “Checkmate in 10 moves” about 8 moves ago.

      The rest of this is all Kabuki theater so that the Progressives don’t all commit mass-suicide when the Dem political class sells them out (*again*!).

      ObamaCare has been zombie-dead for months. The Dems just don’t have the b***s to shoot it in the head, and put it down.

      Doesn’t matter – this still will lead them to lose next year. But all the Dems are doing now is trying to minimize the electoral damage by keeping their Base on board.

      The rest, as they say, signifies nothing.

      • bk

        Now Reid is saying maybe it will be an “opt-in” plan if that’s what it takes to get the “consumer option” (or is it the “competition option”?) passed.

        He and Pelosi are playing word games. Recall that after he and Nan had that meeting with Obama several weeks ago that Reid came out and said that the final Senate bill will include “a public option or something like a public option”. IOW he doesn’t care what you call it, as long as it’s done in a way that it eventually becomes the public option that Obama and Pelosi want.

        As numerous people have said, everyone on the left who’s blubbering about it “needing” this or that is purely posturing. Every person on the hard left will vote for whatever the bill is no matter what it says. All they need is a Republican here or there or to make sure any supposedly “moderate” Democrats have caved. They may not get any Republicans, but I bet they get every Democrat to cave in the Senate and virtually every one in the House.

      • Dan Perrin

        what wager are you comfortable with?

        • bk

          But I do think “something” will pass, and that it will include “something” that becomes a public option, be it a trigger or an opt-out or an opt-in or whatever name they come up with after rigorous focus group testing of a smorgasbord of terms.

          • Scope

            and as to a bet bet. Is that the same thing as it’s not rape rape?

          • bk

            but I see three possibilities:
            1) There is no health care reform bill passed at all.
            2) There is one passed that includes a public option in some form or fashion.
            3) There is one passed that does include anything that can be twisted into a public option.

            I can’t imagine the Dems will let #1 happen. If you feel that’s a fair assumption, then the question is whether #3 is more likely than #2. I believe #2 is more likely than #3, but others obviously feel the opposite.

          • bs

            right, EPU? ;-)

            I’m in bk’s corner on it (and no, we aren’t sock puppets, despite the similarity in our handles). I am more convinced of it on the Senate side than the House. Reid will find a way to get 60 votes. I think the House is a little more tenuous – the “constituent touch” for those folks is a little more personal, so the House members may be a little more sensitive to what the folks back home are saying. But as I have contended repeatedly, I think Senators and House members forget about things like hostile town hall meetings once back in the cocoon of DC.

            (And I don’t bet).

      • farstar99

        This crop of Democrats is the most arrogant ever.

        They truly believe they can ram this down our throats AND get re-elected.

        The ones who aren’t fooled, the ideologues, are so communist in their training that they will sacrifice themselves to bring America down, like the homicide bombers they so admire.

        Government-run health care gets them their communist America. It worked everywhere else the communists have used it, so they’re convinced it will work here, and they’re right.

        This issue is the pyre.
        There are three possible outcomes:
        1. The flames keep the enemy out and we’re saved;
        2. The enemy burns on it, we’re doomed and they eventually gain permanent power, or;
        3. The enemy burns on the pyre to no avail. They and their socialist power grab fail completely and they fall from power, exposed for what they are.

        I don’t think they’re smart enough to choke at this late date, so they’re throwing themselves on the fire. They’re going to do everything and anything to force this fascist scheme on us.

        • Scope

          You have joined the ranks of the “why fight it, we can’t do anything about it crowd.” Do you really not believe that should this be passed, the American people will lay down and just accept it? I don’t think so. Actually, I do believe that the Communists will do all they can to foist this upon us, but, that will unfortunately be the real tipping point with those that will never accept communism in America. I really really do believe that not enough have been dumded down enough to wear the uniform, sing praises to a communit ruler, and will give everything they have to the government. No way, no how. The communists will not succeed now or ever in America.

  • bobojake

    more about the healthcare bill then reid was telling. reid says where did you get that information. I thought reid is developing a stutter like Balloon Boy when trying to dodge the media questions.

    • Paul_In_Houston

      That reporter probably knew more about the bill than Reid KNEW?

      -

  • Illinicon

    The reason that the public option is in the Senate bill is because all 3 members of the trifecta need it. Obama is already going to upset his base because it looks like he will atleast send 10k more troops into Afghanastan and will have futher issues if gives up the public option without a fight and in the Senate he can blame a GOP fillibuster for the defeat and not the mismangement by the dems. Pelosi will face a rebellion within the party for Speaker if the Dems still hold the house in 2011 if the bluedogs cause the defeat of the public option in the House, so again try to shift the blame to the Senate GOP, Lieberman and moderate sen Dems up for re-election than herself. Reid gets to look the hero for the Dems who atleast tried to get the public option to boost his support in his Senate race.

  • RealQuiet

    Just wondering ya know ;)

    • roscopico

      Or is it the “Global Warming?”?

      :)

  • itrytobenice

    Last night on Hannity, he asked Bob Beckel why they weren’t putting the bill(s) out so that people had a chance to look at them before the vote.

    Beckel said (and I’m not kidding about this) – Well they can’t or people like you would start tearing them apart.

    No joke.

    And when I translate that, I get this: Because when people find out what’s in them, they start raising he!!.

    If those morons in our Congress think that getting this thing passed is their biggest problem, they’ve got another think coming. Keeping their jobs after it passes will be impossible.

    The reason we are opposed to it is that it’s an unmitigated disaster. That won’t stop being true just because it’s the law. The morons had better stop and listen and think about this before they turn their little “free health care for all” crusade into a death march.

    • earlgrey

      He said the deals have already been made, and that their would be an amendment on the floor to move to a trigger from the opt-out option. This is a really meaniingless change to just delay the process.

      I don’t know how that would work. Once on the floor how could they get the votes to change it to a trigger?

      • itrytobenice

        is to get the camel’s nose under the tent.

        The full monty would *never* and I mean absolutely *[i]never[/i]* pass. But if they can get [i]any[/i] level of gov’t control over health care for the non-poor, non-old they can expand it in the future the way that they have done in so many areas.

        That’s what I really dread. I don’t want *any* bill to pass. Nothing.

        Not that I don’t think we need some changes, just that there is nothing that they would be willing to pass that won’t be a disaster in the making.

        They have no interest in passing a law protecting interstate commerce by allowing us to purchase health insurance over state lines. Their only interest is in controlling our lives.

        I hope they fail. (and I’m rooting for injuries.) :)

  • Xasteius

    a public option plan ?even with an opt-out because it still creates a whole new government entitlement program for which taxpayers will be on the line.”

    h/t Politico

    • Dan Perrin

      n/t

    • Illinicon

      And I am sure Lincoln for electoral survival and Bayh to prevent his race from getting competitive will join us soon.

      • Dan Perrin

        but there are other possibles too on the Dem side to vote against cloture.

        • Scope

          Most of them got beaten bloody when they had their town halls in August. They can’t dismiss the size of the crowds attending Tea Parties, as much as the Madam says they were nothing, and the polls that keep dropping in support for Government Run Healthcare. The latest poll showing that only 20% consider themselves Liberal, as opposed to 40% who call themselves conservative was significant. If we can get Republican/Conservative wins in the races coming next week, the hand writing is on the wall for Obamacare. Not all Dems are willing to commit political suicide. They either take their chances of winning re-election, because they voted as their constituients desired, despite Pelosi & Reid threats that they won’t have DNC support, or they genuflect at the Pelosi and Reid alter. In that case, they might as well just buy the rope, tie the knot in the noose, and wait for the election day shove. Not a good time to be a Democrat, as if there ever was one.

          • Richard Mullins

            so we want them to turn on each other. It’s sort of a forgone conclusion.

          • Dan Perrin

            – fun to watch

    • Third Street

      That doesn’t leave much room for Lieberman supporting “health reform” no matter how it’s packaged.

  • Paul_In_Houston

    Hey! I’m cool with it.
    English IS an evolving language, after all.

    Just look at what liberals do with it. :-)

    -

  • pythandmoan

    when one Charles E. Schumer, as newly minted head of the DSCC, was on the entire Sunday morning circuit high-fiving himself for the coalition he built into a majority. Look at ‘em now. Moderates actually acting…moderate, and gumming up the whole machine.

    • Dan Perrin

      Keep silent, as he has — ever since Rio?

  • crosley

    My worry in the Senate is all the parliamentry tricks that can be played.

    I could see ALL the Dems in the Senate vote to end cloture in order to get over the 60 mark, then the leadership allows 10 to vote against the actual bill. The Senators then get to tell their constituents that they voted against ObamaCare. The problem is, there’s more than 10 Democrat Senators who’s career would likely end with a vote like that.

    I I were a career politician, I wouldn’t want my name anywhere near whatever ObamaCare ends up being, especially if I were from a state that McCain won by 20 points. (and that’s when Obama was a lot more popular than he is right now)

    I have a hard time believing the Dems don’t pass some health care bill, like a Medicaid on steroids, but the left-wing’s insistence on a public option could mean they end up passing absolutely nothing.

  • bs

    The easy answer is “reconciliation”. I’ve yet to see a compelling case against it.

    And lest you think they wouldn’t dare try it because of retribution from the GOP, don’t believe it. The Republicans don’t have the balls to fight back, and the Dems know it.

    • proudgop

      Serious, tomorrow Pelosi is going to unveil the House version of the health bill and you have to think she has the votes so what do House Republicans do to stop this? Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D- Nev. , is pushing a government health insurance plan that would allow states to “opt out.” Pelosi, D- Calif. , is expected to support a public option with no such escape hatch.

      For all the talk of using complaining I have yet to hear what House or Senate Republicans plan to do STOP this! What if Senate Dems use reconciliation which only requires 50 votes what do we do? Is there anything we can do?

  • redpens

    and I like it. The repressives(progressives) want a public option, the moderates don’t, and they’re fighting each other. I hope their party fails.