Sen. Lieberman “will oppose cloture on a final bill,” as Pelosi Forces Her Members to Walk the Plank


While Senator Reid admitted in a letter sent to every Republican Senator that his merged bill between the Senate Finance and Senate HELP Committee versions is a vapor bill and “does not exist,” the Speaker is forcing her House Members to walk the plank and vote.

Senator Reid says he is waiting for various scores to come back from the Congressional Budget Office, but you have to wonder why the Speaker is forcing her membership to walk the plank on a much more thermonuclear subject than cap-and-trade — the health bill, which is really the biggest vote of the year on spending, abortion, taxes, immigration, the deficit, and government control of the lives of Americans?

As the Speaker forces House Members to walk through that minefield, ABC NEWS is reporting no health care until next year:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has yet to release the bill he eventually plans to bring to the Senate floor. Reid is still waiting for the Congressional Budget Office to come up with an estimated cost of several possible variations of his bill before deciding which one to introduce in the Senate.

That cost estimate, Democrats tell ABC News, is not expected until next week.

Asked directly by ABC News, “Will you pass health care reform this year?” Reid pointedly did not answer “yes.”

Instead, he replied, “We are not going to be bound by any timetables,” adding, “We are going to do this as quickly as we can.”

Perhaps the ignorance of Senate procedure on the House side is playing to Speaker Pelosi’s advantage. Since Senator Reid rejected Sen. Snowe’s trigger in favor for a public option, it takes but one single Senator — either a Democratic or Independent Senator — to cause the entire bill to fail on either the cloture vote on the motion to proceed or on the cloture vote on the bill.

What if the House votes and the bill dies in the Senate? How will the vulnerable, behind in the polls Democrats in the House feel then?

Some are pointing to The Hill article today that cites liberals who have been repeating promises that Senator Reid has said Lieberman has made, not kill the bill.

On the other hand, Senator Lieberman’s spokesperson has been clear on this point, as The Hill article states:

“Lieberman’s spokesman said Monday that nothing has changed from last week, when the senator said he would support calling up the bill but would block a final vote.

“Sen. Lieberman has made it clear that he will vote for the motion to proceed to the healthcare bill but will oppose cloture on a final bill if it contains a public option because he believes that it would worsen our national debt problem,” said Lieberman aide Marshall Wittmann.”

Do House Members really want to put their faith in Senator Reid’s ability to deliver?

Or perhaps Senator Reid is going to disappoint the left by telling them he must drop the public option to pass the bill in the Senate?

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If Pelosi Forces a Vote On This, Under These Circumstances, It Will Be Defeated In The House

IJB Wednesday, November 4th at 12:17PM EST (link)

Bank on it.

There is now *no* reason for any Dem to walk the plank on Public Option, Medicare cuts, tax increases, and (most of all for some Dems) gov’t funding of abortion.

But, if Pelosi is this dumb, she deserves to lose this vote.

(I wonder, however, if the ultimate defeat will be procedural - A Motion To Recommit the Bill to committee…)

What if...

writeblock Wednesday, November 4th at 12:52PM EST (link)

defeat is what she wants? I’m beginning to suspect she not only doesn’t have the votes, but she wants to ditch the bill. The longer she and Reid drag it out, the worse it is for dems politically. I suspect Reid feels the same way.

 

How would you want to be Bill Owens right now?

Illinicon Wednesday, November 4th at 1:04PM EST (link)

You campaign against the Government option and your 1st vote as a Congressmen is on this healthcare bill. I wonder if he will side with his consituents or Queen Pelosi. My guess is he will either vote no or present (which might as will be no).

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This Is Just One Reason Why I Doubt Owens Will Lose Next Year

IJB Wednesday, November 4th at 1:11PM EST (link)

But it will be real easy for him to vote “No” on Obamacare, and use that to rally his reelection chances next year.

But as goes Owens, so will for about 50-70 other House Dems…

So writeblock may be on to something - Pelosi may indeed be calling this vote because she expects to lose it, and just wants the whole issue off her plate A.S.A.P.

If she wanted the bill to go down

Illinicon Wednesday, November 4th at 1:37PM EST (link)

She would let it die in the Senate and blame Republicans, Lieberman and any Dem moderates up for re-election in 2010 who join into the fillibuster. If she loses this vote with a 81 seat majority it will look very bad for her and likely seal the deal in terms of her not being Speaker come Jan. 3, 2011 regardless of which part has the majority.

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Pelosi's going first...

writeblock Wednesday, November 4th at 1:51PM EST (link)

because the Senate is a slower process and would possibly drag the issue into the next year. Better to kill it and be done with it. She has got to have known how devastating this election would be for the bill–yet she agreed to bring it up right afterward. I think they both want to kill the thing.

Besides, Reid doesn't even have a bill...

writeblock Wednesday, November 4th at 1:57PM EST (link)

it’s a phantom bill…Nor do I think he intends to have something any time soon since he knows he doesn’t have the votes. I think he wants Pelosi to go first to resolve the issue get him off the hook.

 
 
 

I disagree

DavidS1787 Wednesday, November 4th at 1:54PM EST (link)

What if Owens votes yes on Obama care? His Seat will go back to the Conservative Republican side..

Second : What if Owens votes yes on Cap and trade and it passes? His Seat will go back to the conservative Republican once they see their energy bills go up……….

I believe any way you put it I believe that this seat will go to a conservative republican once the Obama tax hikes start hitting the wallets of the 23 CD of NY.

 
 
 
 

Go ahead Congressman and vote for pelosi abortion

bobojake Wednesday, November 4th at 12:31PM EST (link)

and you will be unemployed in 2010

 

Just like with Cap & Tax, Pelosi puts House members out front for the beatings.

DamnCat Wednesday, November 4th at 12:52PM EST (link)

Why she would want to do that is a mystery.

Maybe she just wants to beat Reid to the punch so she can claim the title of “Number One Obama Toady”. Nothing else makes sense to me.

The health bill is killing dems...

writeblock Wednesday, November 4th at 2:08PM EST (link)

…bleeding them dry and dividing them. I can’t believe Pelosi doesn’t realize this. Nor do I believe she didn’t realize calling for a vote right after this election would work against the bill. She knew it would hurt the bill–but she’s still calling for a vote.

 
 

I Hope It Drags Into Next Year

crosley Wednesday, November 4th at 2:42PM EST (link)

There’s no question that the health care debate has completely deflated the Democrats, and put wind in the sails of Republicans. I’m astonished at how quickly Democrats have fallen, I thought Republicans would be in the wilderness for a long time.

There are other issues the Democrats could tackle that are (unfortunately) much popular with a majority of Americans. The longer the Democrats get bogged down in this fiasco, the better.

And the longer they delay...

writeblock Wednesday, November 4th at 3:13PM EST (link)

…the less likely they’ll prevail. The last thing they want is to carry this over to 2010. It’s now or never. My guess is neither Reid nor Pelosi know if they have the votes–but are on the one hand hoping for the best and on the other ready to call it quits. This thing is wearing them down big time. They’ve tried threats, they’ve tried bluffing, they’ve tried fiscal sleight-of-hands. Nothing is working.

 
 

Maybe Nancy should just kill one of them...

jeannieology Wednesday, November 4th at 7:50PM EST (link)

You know hang one and then string them up in the House chamber to rot and stink– for all the other members to see…this way they will be motivated to vote her way.

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