For those attempting to figure out what is in the Senate ObamaCare bill, you are in the company of 99 U.S. Senators who have not seen the bill. At least that is what today’s New York Times is reporting:
“frustration has been growing among some lawmakers over the delay, especially as they are asked repeated questions about a bill they have not yet seen.
“I don’t think the bill text is being shown to anybody,” Mr. [Senator] Nelson said last week.”
According to CNN: “In fact, no one has seen the Senate bill.”
They a have a phrase out West for this — all hat, no cattle.
I call it a vapor bill — all hype, no bill.
What about the bills that passed the U.S. Senate Finance Committee and the Health. Education, Labor and Pension Committees? Well, they are merely guideposts, not actually what the Senate will attempt to vote on — Senator Reid is changing both Committee’s bills in his own image, and has been since October 13th when the Senate Finance Committee passed its bill — more than one month ago.
So where is the Senate bill? According to Senator Reid and everyone else, it is still being worked on. Under construction, with parts of the bill being changed and dropped, new ones added, to accommodate the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the bill’s cost.
Senator Reid has been getting such bad news from the Congressional Budget Office that he floated a increase in the Medicare payroll tax last week.
Senator McConnell, the Republican Leader in the Senate, said that 99 U.S. Senators have not seen the bill. How much does the bill cost — good question. How much in new taxes does the bill levy — good question.
And Senator Reid needs 60 votes on the motion to proceed to the House bill, so Senator Reid can strike and insert a bill no Senator has seen — and Senator Reid says he is bringing before the Senate this week. Uh, huh.
But according to reports by CNN and Reuters, Senator Reid does not have 60 votes, he has 57 votes. If Senator Reid loses one of the 60 votes he needs on the motion to proceed, the entire bill fails, and does not come up before the U.S. Senate.
And Senator Reid expects his party’s Senators to vote for a bill they have not had time to study, or adequately review the score? Apparently he does. Or perhaps he wants the bill to fail so he can stop the political bleeding that this toxic bill is causing the Dems, the White House’s irrational focus on health care notwithstanding.
There is so much that is so wrong with this picture. Does this all strike you as the workings of a banana republic?
Is it any wonder the independent voters are bolting from the Democrats? Do they have any idea how silly they look? They have been working since January on health care, and still they do not have a bill and still they do not know how much it costs. But they are pushing higher taxes, and half a trillion in Medicare cuts. No surprise that the world is losing faith in the U.S. dollar and fleeing it: (Dollar falls, sending gold to a record high.)
Senator Reid’s bill is a truly vaporous — shape-shifting in content and cost and taxes — with Senator Reid and CBO trying to conduct this floating mass into something appealing that can be agreed upon by 60 U.S. Senators. But the vapor bill keeps being buffeted by the shifting winds of politics.
And then there are other show stopper issues. One of which, CNN explains, could deny Senator Reid his 60 votes:
“To secure the votes of anti-abortion Democrats, House Democratic leaders passed a health care bill that prohibits abortion coverage in a government-sponsored plan and in private plans that accept anyone using government subsidies to buy insurance coverage.
In the Senate, Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska, said he would vote against any bill without those restrictions. But abortion rights Democrats, including many of the 17 Senate women, may object.”
And the pro-life, pro-abortion fight inside the Democratic party has nothing to do with CBO — so perhaps Senator Reid’s the-CBO-ate-my-homework excuse is true, but it may be that politically irreconcilable differences are the real problem with revealing the text of the bill.

Obviously there is a problem
10ksnooker Monday, November 16th at 7:39PM EST (link)With enough stooge Senators who will vote for this travesty of serfdom.
Is it because...
lurker9876 Monday, November 16th at 7:45PM EST (link)Reid does not want Coburn to read the bill?
LOL
Dan Perrin Monday, November 16th at 7:50PM EST (link)pretty funny
"Bill, we don't need no stinkin' Bill" - Harry Reid
JLenardDetroit Monday, November 16th at 8:27PM EST (link)Nickename for Harry in any upcoming Campaign commercials for NV:
Harry [won't] Reid [the Bill] — The blank Bill pages poker-faced Senator
in the words of my favorite Claire McCACKLE (D-MO):
“Don’t you Trust Me?”
and to think she was surprised at the laugh riot erruption she got!
(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (Reco) (Quotes) (removeRINOs.com) (RSmas)
+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)
all hat
tahoblue Monday, November 16th at 7:45PM EST (link)how could Reid have 57 votes for a bill that is not written?
WE need a total enema in the Senate
Absolutely disgusting.
One from each state. nt
Tbone Monday, November 16th at 8:06PM EST (link)Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
They are making fools of themselves
Dan Perrin Monday, November 16th at 7:51PM EST (link)and they cannot stop themselves from making fools of themselves.
If they look like fools,
If they act like fools,
If they sound like fools,
uh,
they must be fools.
Even God had to say something to create
Tbone Monday, November 16th at 8:11PM EST (link)stuff.
Maybe it is just written on a post-it right under “Pick up Milk”.
“Pass Government Healthcare”
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
lol
Dan Perrin Monday, November 16th at 8:12PM EST (link)Senator Reid reminds me of an undertaker
throwback59 Monday, November 16th at 10:14PM EST (link)So it is no surprise that Harry “The Undertaker” Reid would be trying to dress up this corpse of a bill before its viewing.
But no matter what he does this zombie won’t look natural ( the bill, not Harry).
-well, both.
ObamaCare, the Night of the Living Dead...
Dan Perrin Tuesday, November 17th at 7:45AM EST (link)n/t
They think they will be able to recover
countessolenska Monday, November 16th at 11:22PM EST (link)Democrats must think that they will be able to recover from the unpopularity surrounding health care reform before the 2010 election. They’re counting on the economy improving and the jobs outlook to be improved by election time. By that time, they think, people won’t think Democrats are totally insane for trying to pass major health care reform in the middle of a recession because the economy will be better.
I read somewhere that this bill’s poll numbers have to decline by about 5 points in order for this bill to die. Why aren’t the Republicans seriously explaining to the American people what actually is in this bill? The fact that only 10% of Americans would be eligible for the public option - the Holy Grail for liberal Democrats in health care reform - is not known even by supporters of these reform bills!!
Then again, I don’t trust the American public. They seem to always be asking what the government can do for them. I guess Democrats are answering their requests.
In theory, a decline of 5% of the poll numbers
Dan Perrin Tuesday, November 17th at 7:50AM EST (link)in support of the bill will have no direct effect on the vote of the Senators.
Each Senator can make up their mind, regardless of the polls, as we saw in the U.S. House.
But it takes only one Democratic Senator to vote against the motion to proceed to kill this bill, and if one U.S. Senator votes against the motion to proceed, many others will as well since there voting for it will do not good at all.
Health care poll numbers
countessolenska Tuesday, November 17th at 12:08PM EST (link)The Washington Post had an article today that said that support for health care reform has remained unchanged since before August.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/political-browser/2009/11/rundown_-_111709.html#more
Although support for reform hasn’t increased, it hasn’t gone down either (despite the August town halls and the November 3 election results), so the risk to Democrats for supporting reform hasn’t increased all that much. We are hearing more grumbling from moderate Dems like Mark Warner, but the risk needs to be higher. The message has to be clearer.
I think if the Republicans had a serious, charismatic and effective spokesperson out there talking against the Dems’ reform proposals, support could drop below the current even split, and it would be extremely difficult for the Dems to vote for the current bills or “vapor” bill, when it materializes,
Mitch McConnell just isn’t very effective. Why don’t they get the two doctors out there? Barrasso from Wyoming is extremely likable and believable.
Explain
Mayhem Monday, November 16th at 11:24PM EST (link)I assume that Reid would (ideally) like to vote on the House bill, then replace it with one whopping amendment. Then, send it back to the House for rubber stamping, and to the President the next day, so they can all go home to eat turkey by Thanksgiving next week.
So, if the House bill fails on the motion to proceed or on cloture, does that kill this thing? Or does that just mean the House bill fails in the Senate and now the Senate has to make up its own thing? Will they vote again on a healthcare bill after a bill has already failed? Will they just keep voting until something is passed?
“I reject your reality and substitute my own.”
Yes, ideally, Reid
Dan Perrin Tuesday, November 17th at 7:56AM EST (link)wants to bring up the House bill and strike it and replace it with the Senate version.
But the Senate version will be substantially different than the House version, and it cannot be passed and sent to the House as the same bill. The House bill would never get 60 votes in the Senate.
Yes, failure on the cloture vote on the motion to proceed will kill this bill. Now, there will be a whole lot of chest beating about how Sen. Reid needed the bill to fail to give him some negotiating room with the progressives, and hard core leftists, and that Reid can bring up a revised bill at any time, but, in my view, he will not try until well after Thanksgiving, if he tries again.
We have phrases for that in the Mid-Atlantic states too.
The_Gadfly Tuesday, November 17th at 12:25AM EST (link)Dozens of them in fact. Moe set the precedent and banned all of them ages ago.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
What If...
danielbdp Tuesday, November 17th at 11:15PM EST (link)Hoffman wins on absentee ballots? Does the House Bill get voted on again, since the Dem vote for NY23 would have been illegally cast? Maybe the token Rep from Louisiana would then see more clearly, that his promised payoff (Feds to help with his state’s Medicaid expansion) was just another lie and would reverse himself…then would just need one more vote going against it…nice dream, I know…
I took Pelosi at her (twisted) word, when she said her focus had been on winning NY23rd…someone should look into whether the NY Rep party bosses were paid off by Pelosi to elect Scozzafava…maybe their plan was to have that token Rep vote “yes” on Pelosicare?
Can we dig up enough dirt on swing vote (pro-life and/or fiscal conservative) Dem (and Rep) Senators, to ensure they are not bought off by Reid with more of our tax dollars, e.g., special treats for their states? No need to worry about the pro-choice zealots changing their vote…just saying…rationality and good conscience (i.e., to represent their constituents)doesn’t seem to work on most of them anymore.