But Dan, without question, most times less is more.

Great post. I’m new here and still don’t understand why there’s no “recommend” button on your post but, back to the rules I go.

and I’m from Chicago and even the liberals here do not like this illegitimate, Blago appointed, “Winnie the Pooh voiced” Senator.

Whew, it felt good saying that. As for Bayh and Carper I’m skeptical of them and fear they can sell out their vote for the right price. Lieberman I do have some respect for and I think he’s our best bet to give these gutless Dems cover to vote against Obamacare. Remember there are no moderate Dem Senators, that is my opinion anyway.

If this somehow comes true, I’m putting that in my sig.

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I am very pessamistic. I think this is all bluster by the liberals . . . I am not even sure they will need Lieberman. There is a very good chance they may be able to get Collins or Snowe on board. If they come up with something that one or both of the of the Maine sisters will sign on to, then they will get Burris and Sanders. They will show Burris and Sanders the gazillion new government bureaucracies that will be created, all of the new taxes, and they will tell them that this puts the framework in place for a PO (or even full single payer)–that it is only a babystep away, Burris and Sanders will fold like a house of cards if they are the only 2 votes needed to get this monstrosity passed.

Oh, Dan, how I pray that the scenario you have described will come to pass and the Senate will reach a stalemate and the D’s proposed HC Reform will never see the light of day.

lol

…she’ll HAVE to vote for the final bill, ’cause that’s where the $300 million in lard is. It’s a tossup down here over what we feel more strongly about: anger over ObamaCare, or an almost primal urge to lap up every last federal cent we can get. Mary’s going to cast her lot with the porker-impulse of the Louisiana electorate, and it might just work for her.

I could’ve worded that a little better. Do you think he will vote against cloture? He doesn’t seem to me like a very principled man. I could see him voting for cloture then against the bill when his vote isn’t really needed. Lieberman seems pretty firm in his stance that he will do anything in his power to not let a bill WITH the public option get through. I pretty much trust that he will stick to that. If Burris holds just as strong to his convictions that he will do everything in his power to not let a bill WITHOUT the public option get through, then the bill is almost certainly dead. I just don’t see Burris being that strong…

If yes, then they CAN use it. I’m pretty sure that’s right.

However, your second point is the key. The dollars have to match. That is a FAR more impossible feat than even reconciling the public option differences.

It’s something isn’t it; for literally the entire first year of 44′s Presidency we’ve talked about, more or less, one thing and one thing only whose passage hinges on a relatively obscure budget accelerant process that in the end has very, VERY little chance of ever happening.

Epic. Fail.

If you assume that this bill will pass anyway (and I know you don’t, Dan) then the GOP should actually force them to use reconciliation to pass it.

Why? Because it’ll actually be much easier to repeal (or allow to expire) if it passes that way.

As a tactical matter, if it’s starting like this thing will pass, we should probably try to force them into to doing it by reconciliation…