It is so important, it bears repeating:
“I’ll vote against any bill without a public option,” said Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill.
The quote is from ABC News, and right before the Burris-bomb, is this little ticking surprise for Reid:
“There are at least two Democrats who say they’ll vote against any bill that does not include a public option, and there may be many more.”
Perhaps Senator Lieberman’s courage is contagious.
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That's what I want to hear pal! (nt)
thatsright Tuesday, November 24th at 11:19PM EST (link)Russ Cote
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I'm so glad RedState readers get this
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:37AM EST (link)I was worried that there was not enough explaination
There wasn't...
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 1:04AM EST (link)But Dan, without question, most times less is more.
Great post. I’m new here and still don’t understand why there’s no “recommend” button on your post but, back to the rules I go.
Russ Cote
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This is hopeful news, thanks for the update (nt)
RSSS Tuesday, November 24th at 11:20PM EST (link)no worries
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:37AM EST (link)Dan why is this good news?
erod Tuesday, November 24th at 11:25PM EST (link)I thought every Dem thinks that way?
Think: unbridgeable divide. nt
redneck_hippie Tuesday, November 24th at 11:30PM EST (link)“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
Got ya...
erod Tuesday, November 24th at 11:38PM EST (link)and I’m from Chicago and even the liberals here do not like this illegitimate, Blago appointed, “Winnie the Pooh voiced” Senator.
I'm one county west o' ya. We're rednecks out here. nt
redneck_hippie Tuesday, November 24th at 11:42PM EST (link)“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
It's ok aside from my family and friends we're probably the only conservatives in this town. :) (nt)
erod Tuesday, November 24th at 11:55PM EST (link)Because
thatsright Tuesday, November 24th at 11:35PM EST (link)Not every Dem thinks this way, or at least that’s what we’re hoping.
Obviously Lieberman, but also Landrieu, Lincoln, Bayh, Carper and a couple others are wary of the public option, most likely because they fear for their jobs.
The greater the schism Republicans can create and/or exploit in the Democratic caucus on the public option issue the greater the chance we have of killing the bill entirely, which is why it’s encouraging on the other side to hear hardcore Dems say they won’t vote for a bill without it.
The question then becomes one of strategy. We screwed up the Stupak amendment vote in the House on strategy. Who is more serious in the Senate; those who demand the public option or those who don’t want it.
We’ll see.
Russ Cote
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Landrieau is an expensive whore and should not be trusted...
erod Tuesday, November 24th at 11:42PM EST (link)Whew, it felt good saying that. As for Bayh and Carper I’m skeptical of them and fear they can sell out their vote for the right price. Lieberman I do have some respect for and I think he’s our best bet to give these gutless Dems cover to vote against Obamacare. Remember there are no moderate Dem Senators, that is my opinion anyway.
The Great One agrees no such thing as mod Dem. nt
redneck_hippie Tuesday, November 24th at 11:44PM EST (link)“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
I went ballistic
thatsright Tuesday, November 24th at 11:46PM EST (link)using that word on twitter and my own blog when I was listening to her try and justify her vote to open knowing full well she did nothing but whore herself out to the highest bidder.
No I don’t think there are any “moderate” Dem Senators either. That word is meaningless in my opinion. But, there are Dem Senators who may very realistically fear for their jobs. It is those schisms that we need to unabashedly exploit to kill this thing dead.
Russ Cote
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That is true...
erod Tuesday, November 24th at 11:52PM EST (link)I suspected you felt the same way and that is why they will vote against it, ONLY IF Lieberman or Sanders or better yet, Lieberman and Sanders vote against it. Right now, Joe claims he isn’t for it in any form, if this happens, and he doesn’t cave, grab some popcorn it’s going to be a fun time.
Can you say C-O-M-P-R-O-M-I-S-E? 
In Joe I trust
thatsright Tuesday, November 24th at 11:57PM EST (link)small ‘t’ trust for the moment, but I’ll hang my hat on whatever on whatever hook I can find right now.
Russ Cote
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Personally, a bill that kills AETNA is DOA
Richard Mullins Wednesday, November 25th at 12:03AM EST (link)and so being, this bill is dead. All the other Dems don’t have insurance companies in their states, so they can vote almost any way they want to. Not so for CT(I hope the Dumb Dodd gets message on this because this will be used against him big).
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It is not in Lieberman's political interest to
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:53AM EST (link)compromise.
With one vote, he can lock up the independents at 2:1, plus the Dems who oppose ObamaCare, and lock in the GOP vote by being their hero.
Why would he throw all that away and CAVE?
It's not Lieberman I'm worried about.
The_Gadfly Wednesday, November 25th at 7:17AM EST (link)He’s finally acting the way I expect a politician to behave: protecting his own best real interest and the interests of his state. While that doesn’t necessarily yield the results I want, it is at least a behavior with which I can sympathize and one that is predictable.
I’m worried about Snowe, Collins, et al. Burris is a bald faced liar who is beating the drums of public support while the fight occurs. His job is to keep the nutroots from blowing this thing up while they do the sausage making. Once the sausage is made, he’ll fall into line for the same reason all the other twits claiming they won’t support the bill if it doesn’t have a public option will: they all know it is the closest they will come to implementing their socialist health care system for 50 years on either side of this debate. If they pass it, they may only be 75% of the way there today, but the rest will follow within 20 and possibly before The Big 0 is out of office. If they don’t pass it, the threat goes away forever. They did get one thing right about the current situation: there are critical elements of the health care delivery system that are broken and the current system can’t continue. So changes will be made to fix those breakages. They just decided that instead of giving the patient two aspirin for his headache, the best solution was to shoot him where the pain was.
But Snowe, Collins, et al are just such roulette wheels. Some days they vote their real self-interest and those of their constituents, other days they vote for some perceived historical self-interest that has no basis in reality. The only thing they are mostly consistent about is loving the art of the deal; being the savior of bipartisanship who ride in at the last moment to save the day for legislative progress toward a new tomorrow.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
The moderate Dems have lost their image
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:51AM EST (link)as moderates and will have to work twice as hard to get it back
Because in order to get Lieberman's vote
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:44AM EST (link)on the cloture motion on the bill, they have to take out the public option.
But if they take out the public option they lose Burris (and others like Sanders).
So without Lieberman they do not have 60 votes.
To get Lieberman they do not have 60 votes.
Either way, they lose.
See: http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/11/23/it-doesnt-feel-like-it-but-we-are-winning-the-fight-against-obamacare/
Divide et impera
redneck_hippie Wednesday, November 25th at 12:58AM EST (link)If this somehow comes true, I’m putting that in my sig.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
You Latin Slinging SOB
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 1:11AM EST (link)Terrific.
Allow me to show my total analness though and suggest that the better phrasing is “Tribuo et Victum”
Sometimes I think I’m a redneck trapped in a Jersey boy’s body.
Russ Cote
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Rednecks only talk pig latin.
redneck_hippie Wednesday, November 25th at 1:55AM EST (link)So is that the real latin phrase? I like the sound and rhythm of yours better than the one I found in google. That’s how much I know about latin.
What do you think of tribuo quod victum? It was in a machine translator. Probably incorrect?
I hear you on the trapped redneck. Mine keeps punching my inner hippie and it’s hard to get to sleep.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
Im'a Deadhead Jersey Conservative
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 2:07AM EST (link)May as well be an honest, freedom-loving Marxist.
Quod doesn’t work. Think ‘quid’ in the ‘quid pro quo’, (something for something)
It means “which” as closely as I can see it translated.
Part of my goal in life is to make us Jersey Republicans less the walking contradictions that we are.
We are, and always will be, the thirteenth stripe on the flag.
And it’s a red stripe.
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I don't think they will lose these liberal Senators w/out PO
reallyfive Wednesday, November 25th at 2:54AM EST (link)I am very pessamistic. I think this is all bluster by the liberals . . . I am not even sure they will need Lieberman. There is a very good chance they may be able to get Collins or Snowe on board. If they come up with something that one or both of the of the Maine sisters will sign on to, then they will get Burris and Sanders. They will show Burris and Sanders the gazillion new government bureaucracies that will be created, all of the new taxes, and they will tell them that this puts the framework in place for a PO (or even full single payer)–that it is only a babystep away, Burris and Sanders will fold like a house of cards if they are the only 2 votes needed to get this monstrosity passed.
Oh, Dan, how I pray that the scenario you have described will come to pass and the Senate will reach a stalemate and the D’s proposed HC Reform will never see the light of day.
It can't be that simple, Dan!
Mayhem Wednesday, November 25th at 9:53AM EST (link)lol
“Are you a Rubio Republican?” Heck yes!
I don't like feeling cynical, but
graceia Tuesday, November 24th at 11:30PM EST (link)I am just waiting to find out how much this little rebellion will cost the American taxpayers - Mary Landreau did not come in cheap - what will the payment be to Burris to change his mind?
Any cost of the rebellion
thatsright Tuesday, November 24th at 11:37PM EST (link)will be cheaper than ObamaCare, so in my opinion, it’s worth it.
But I think you’re looking at it backwards. Landrieu was bought to bring it to debate. She sold out. We’re hoping she doesn’t take another bribe to ultimately vote for the bill.
Russ Cote
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Well, if Sister Mary is to bring home this particular bacon...
Third Street Tuesday, November 24th at 11:46PM EST (link)…she’ll HAVE to vote for the final bill, ’cause that’s where the $300 million in lard is. It’s a tossup down here over what we feel more strongly about: anger over ObamaCare, or an almost primal urge to lap up every last federal cent we can get. Mary’s going to cast her lot with the porker-impulse of the Louisiana electorate, and it might just work for her.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Then again, the conference bill
GregInFla Wednesday, November 25th at 12:06AM EST (link)will most likely NOT include these individual bribes and other things like Stupak.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
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There will likely be no conference
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:50AM EST (link)since it will never get there
There will be no conference
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:56AM EST (link)because it will die in the Senate, or any conference will be objected to and the bill will be sent back to the House — but I do not think it will ever pass the Senate floor.
Does Louisiana need the $300 million?
SoFiMil Wednesday, November 25th at 12:18AM EST (link)I haven’t studied the substance of the issue (the non-cynical interpretation of reason the state needs $300 million.) If it really does need the money because of population displacement and how money is allocated based on population, (or even if it only needs $200 million), should the Republicans sponsor a separate bill for a floor vote next week–the only thing in the bill being the 2-page definition of Louisiana and then the budget language.
It would take away any carrot for Landrieu to vote for the health care bill. Of course, it will also give Reid another opportunity to temp Landrieu with a different bribe. In addition, it would also take away a great talking point for the Republicans on the depths this Administration will go to to get this bill passed. And if the state really needed this money, why wasn’t a separate bill proposed months ago?
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Now you're thinking
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 12:25AM EST (link)That’s exactly the kind of thing Republicans need to do.
Take the bribes out of the, well they’re not even in the shadows anymore, but, take the hand we’re dealt and exploit it.
That’s a great idea. I’ve been trying to think of ways to do so in the same vein.
One meme I haven’t heard enough of is ‘why can’t we just solve the more pressing problems with health care piece by piece instead of completely overhauling the system?’
Now, I don’t believe that, but that’s the kind of strategy the Republicans need to explore, and fast.
If I steal that idea for a post in the future SoFiMil, I promise to give credit where it’s due and link back to your page here at RS.
Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
Key thing would be to keep in the 2-page definition of Louisiana - n/t
SoFiMil Wednesday, November 25th at 12:45AM EST (link).
http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Look forward to your diary, LR.
SoFiMil Wednesday, November 25th at 7:18AM EST (link)I won’t be able to rec it because of a conflict of interest, but will definitely read it with interest.
http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Kolawski to TR, not LR - n/t
SoFiMil Wednesday, November 25th at 7:20AM EST (link)..
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Your last question is purely rhetorical, of course...
Third Street Wednesday, November 25th at 12:31AM EST (link)…but as for whether we need the $300 mil, of course we do! Our politicians took the countless millions of federal tax dollars for levee maintenance that flowed down here over the decades and used it to fund stuff like hideous modern art sculptures on the UNO campus, so now we need $300 million more to clean up the mess! Come on, America, cough it up!
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Ha?
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 12:53AM EST (link)The smiley face made me smile so I’ll leave it at that.
“Got what it takes to make a Mountain Man leave his home”
Russ Cote
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Should've used the </sarc> tag about "needing" the $300 mil
Third Street Wednesday, November 25th at 12:55AM EST (link)but the rest of it is absolutely true. This was when they weren’t just pocketing it outright.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
You ain't special
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 1:14AM EST (link)My State sucks worse than yours.
Actually, who’s the most corrupt State ever comes down to LA v. NJ.
You may, MAY, have set the bar but don’t ever forget that we invented it.
Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
Oh, it's ON now!
Third Street Wednesday, November 25th at 1:27AM EST (link)Think New Jersey sucks? The Wall Street Journal agrees, but just look at how they chose to illustrate how bad it is!
My state’s so bad, we’ve got one Senator who admitted to using prostitutes, and another Senator who just admitted to being one.
My state’s so bad it’s literally being eaten away by wild animals.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
In fact, La's so bad the HTML tags don't even work here.
Third Street Wednesday, November 25th at 1:30AM EST (link)As I was saying, this is how the WSJ chose to illustrate the badness of New Jersey.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Dude.
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 1:38AM EST (link)One of our Senators would pay to have illegals in his Cabinet and the other one’s already dea.
Never mind the gay Governor scandal, one of our girls brought down New York’s Governor.
Our, finally, ousted current Governor is Jon Corzine. Enough said.
But the proof is in the pudding. I lived in Jersey City, Hudson County, for 8 years. We took whatever corruption anyone else thought they had and made it de facto requisite to even get a call back.
Our governor-elect rounded up like what, off the top of my head, 30 mayors and other elected officials before he took his first spoonful of cereal in the morning.
Your corruption is centralized to New Orleans, from what I know. Mine is rampant in every obscure nook and cranny of the entire State, and I haven’t even begun to talk about the Philly Mob connection.
It’s not on.
We win.
Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
No, our corruption is state-level and statewide. N.O. just makes it look more fun.
Third Street Wednesday, November 25th at 2:05AM EST (link)We’ve got a former governor who’s been cooling his heels in federal prison for eight years. His last opponent (that would be the Klansman) was serving a sentence in the federal pen at the same time, and only recently got out.
All of our insurance commissioners over the last 25 years have gone to prison after leaving office. All of ‘em. Okay, maybe there was one who didn’t, but I doubt it. It practically comes with the job.
And then there’s William Jefferson. ‘Nuff said.
Everything from the JFK assassination to the Beltway Snipers to this hateful health care bill has a direct and notorious Louisiana connection.
None of this even gets into what went on here during the Huey Long years.
And to top it all off, we’re so damn proud of our corruption we just wouldn’t have it any other way. That’s why the odds are that not only will Mary Landrieu coast right back into office in five years, but we’ll also make her brother the next governor.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Dude...
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 2:14AM EST (link)That’s some serious corruption. Touche’, as we used to say back in merry ‘ol.
As far as “fun” corruption is concerned, I have no retort.
Atlantic City’s a good time, and it’s chock-full of the usual including the Philly element, but we can’t light a candle to Mardi Gras-style corruption on our best day.
Don’t get lost on the Black Horse Pike though…the Camden Aquarium ain’t what it seems.
Russ Cote
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Progressives don't get bought
Richard Mullins Tuesday, November 24th at 11:41PM EST (link)they put up money in the hopes of buying moderates. Really, Progressives are the my way or the highway kind of people and Roland Burris is no exception to the rule.
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Senator Burris, you recall,
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:49AM EST (link)was treated very badly by both the White House and Senator Reid — remember they would not seat him?
Do you think he remembers having his name splashed nationwide because of Obama and Reid?
Served Ice Cold? (nt)
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 12:54AM EST (link)Russ Cote
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How sweet would it be if the final fracturing of the health-care bill could be traced to the guy in OBAMA'S OLD SEAT?
Third Street Tuesday, November 24th at 11:38PM EST (link)(Pretty damned sweet, I’d say.)
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
Sweeter than Sugar (nt)
thatsright Tuesday, November 24th at 11:39PM EST (link)Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
Is it sweeter than Honey in Coffee? -nt-
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Sweeter than Tennessee Whiskey in Coffee (nt)
thatsright Tuesday, November 24th at 11:48PM EST (link)Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
Fine and Dandy Like Sour Candy (nt)
erod Tuesday, November 24th at 11:44PM EST (link)Sweeter than the SNL Skits on Obama? (nt)
erod Tuesday, November 24th at 11:54PM EST (link)He may vote against the bill....
discerningconservative Tuesday, November 24th at 11:43PM EST (link)but I don’t see him participating in a filibuster. If the bill doesn’t contain a public option, he will still vote for cloture, and vote no on the bill when his vote isn’t needed for 51. I don’t put much faith in any Dem participating in a filibuster for the bill not having a public option.
Fine, if he does not participate in the filibuster
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:58AM EST (link)as long as he votes not to end it — in Senate speak: he votes against cloture on the bill.
Yeah, I guess...
discerningconservative Wednesday, November 25th at 1:38AM EST (link)I could’ve worded that a little better. Do you think he will vote against cloture? He doesn’t seem to me like a very principled man. I could see him voting for cloture then against the bill when his vote isn’t really needed. Lieberman seems pretty firm in his stance that he will do anything in his power to not let a bill WITH the public option get through. I pretty much trust that he will stick to that. If Burris holds just as strong to his convictions that he will do everything in his power to not let a bill WITHOUT the public option get through, then the bill is almost certainly dead. I just don’t see Burris being that strong…
Burris Has Nothing To Lose
IJB Wednesday, November 25th at 2:10AM EST (link)That’s the most dangerous man there is.
The Dem Establishment in both DC and IL have already turned their backs on him.
Because of that, Burris has nothing to lose. He might as well follow his conscience - heck, it may just endear him the the nutroots, which could allow him to run for another office (maybe the House?…) down the line.
Burris has got nothing to lose - of all the Dems who have made “I will not vote for!…” pronouncements, Burris is the one guy who I might actually take seriously about it, and believe.
Very true...
discerningconservative Wednesday, November 25th at 2:18AM EST (link)I strongly hope he holds to his beliefs. I think we can pretty much count on Lieberman holding to his, and that split there is about all it will take to kill this bill. The chances are looking better and better by the day.
Well
jeffreywturner Wednesday, November 25th at 10:48AM EST (link)Assuming Lieberman and the ladies from Maine will not get suckered into supporting whatever new name Reid comes up with for the public option in order to trick them into believing that the bill does not contain a public option.
That is a major assumption, and may end doing what assumptions often do, but if it holds, then we can stick a fork in Obamacare because it is done.
They would probably still pass something just to give the media an excuse to say that it is a victory for Obama, but it would really just be symbolic because it would have to be gutted so much to make it through.
“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”
he'll vote for it-he has no place to go...
larryp Wednesday, November 25th at 12:08AM EST (link)So will Lieberrman-remember with Lieberman it is ‘Lucy and the footbal”l We get fooled every time by him. He has a ACU rating of 8 It is amost the very lowest in the Senate..Only Ted K is lower. Lieberman is way left and believes nothing that we think here.
Now that Lieberman is a indy
Illinicon Wednesday, November 25th at 12:20AM EST (link)he needs to pick off conservatives, he got them in 06 because of the war and in 12 he will need a new issue to get conservative votes and he figuers that is fiscal sanity. Honestly, I trust him to stand up to libtards because he has done this before on the war. This is CT so its either Lieberman as an I or someone like Chris Shays as a R and I will take Lieberman every time.
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see comment above about why it is not in
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 12:59AM EST (link)Lieberman’s interest to cave and allow the bill to pass
Great news...
smitch61 Wednesday, November 25th at 12:42AM EST (link)Whatever it takes to kill it… perfect!
Whatever it takes indeed. (nt)
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Good, as long as reconciliation isn't used...
clement Wednesday, November 25th at 1:07AM EST (link)I dunno, call me whatever you want but I suspect the dems feel they are so close they can taste it. I’m not going to put it past them to try whatever dirty trick they can to get it passed.
They can't use reconcilation, they don't have the
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 1:12AM EST (link)votes.
Plus, they can only raise or decrease taxes and spending by equal amounts, they would not be able to impose their government take-over in the reconciliation bill.
It won’t work.
Dan, they only need 51 for Recon right?
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 1:24AM EST (link)If yes, then they CAN use it. I’m pretty sure that’s right.
However, your second point is the key. The dollars have to match. That is a FAR more impossible feat than even reconciling the public option differences.
It’s something isn’t it; for literally the entire first year of 44’s Presidency we’ve talked about, more or less, one thing and one thing only whose passage hinges on a relatively obscure budget accelerant process that in the end has very, VERY little chance of ever happening.
Epic. Fail.
Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
Actually they only need 50.
jeffreywturner Wednesday, November 25th at 10:50AM EST (link)Assuming the VP is on board.
“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”
I've Decided That We Should Want Them To Use Reconciliation
IJB Wednesday, November 25th at 2:01AM EST (link)If you assume that this bill will pass anyway (and I know you don’t, Dan) then the GOP should actually force them to use reconciliation to pass it.
Why? Because it’ll actually be much easier to repeal (or allow to expire) if it passes that way.
As a tactical matter, if it’s starting like this thing will pass, we should probably try to force them into to doing it by reconciliation…
This healthcare bill is gonna implode
redpens Wednesday, November 25th at 1:39AM EST (link)it’ll be fun to watch. Let’s all grab some popcorn
Here come the nattering nabobs of negativism
Neil Stevens Wednesday, November 25th at 2:02AM EST (link)Some people have to take any positive development and try to shred it into dust with pessimism.
I say this is great. Let the Democrats divide.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
I’d rather everyone get along, but I’ll settle for everyone united in hating me for being a jerky moderator.
Which people...Is Frum here? (nt)
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 2:20AM EST (link)Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
There are a few upthread (nt)
Neil Stevens Wednesday, November 25th at 2:23AM EST (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
I’d rather everyone get along, but I’ll settle for everyone united in hating me for being a jerky moderator.
Let them divide, Neil. And vote no confidence.
redneck_hippie Wednesday, November 25th at 2:28AM EST (link)Does Obama have the mojo to pass his signature agenda item or not. That is what it is about.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
Is Burris An Honorable Man?
DavidSage Wednesday, November 25th at 2:17AM EST (link)When an honorable man like Lieberman says something, I expect him to keep his word. A politician like Burris, however, it means nothing. I can guarantee you the man can be bought.
Rahm Emmanuel will make a few calls and get him some plumb job for his vote if it really came down to Burris. In fact, I’m willing to bet that’s why Burris is out front making these declarations, to see what he can get out of it. Every Democrat is a king right now (or a whore).
I think the bill is going to die in the Senate (at least the public option), but I don’t trust ANY Democrat. I really think that if Lieberman hadn’t drawn a line in the sand, ALL the Democrats would have voted for cloture, regardless of what they said on the record.
Is Rahm a good guy? /sacr (nt)
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 2:24AM EST (link)Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
Sarc/ sorry. (nt)
thatsright Wednesday, November 25th at 2:24AM EST (link)Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
The natering nabobs of negativism is a great
Dan Perrin Wednesday, November 25th at 11:40PM EST (link)line, I know the guy who wrote it.
Dan....
discerningconservative Wednesday, November 25th at 11:48PM EST (link)Since tomorrow is Thanksgiving, I want you to know that I and many others here are very thankful for all of the hard work you have been doing. Enjoy your holiday, and know that what you do has been much appreciated.
Burris Is An Idiot
OccamsRazor Wednesday, November 25th at 11:51PM EST (link)Those who know his career, know him. He’s a power hungry racist. That’s it. What’s dangerous about him is that he has a senate seat. It’s analogous to the guy who steals a bubble gum off the grocery rack, goes to jail for 6 months and learns from the real criminals.
I take some comfort in knowing he isn’t bright enough to navigate those waters, yet I take great fear in the reality that he’s there at all.
You're 0 for 2 Dan on the Ones that Matter
OccamsRazor Thursday, November 26th at 12:01AM EST (link)Either work harder to get the job done on the hill, or stop blowing sunshine up our democrats-I apologize for the language RedState.
Personally, I look forward to your reads. The bigger picture DOES need to be summarized, but I’m not one for margins anymore.
My opinion, is that the Dems, despite their falling on their sword and despite their dumbass collective thinking combined, have enough sense to vote ‘no’ here.
My suggestion is this: Once this house of cards fails, let’s prepare to push them into oblivion-Hookes Law.
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The Time Is Ripe To Reap What Has Been Sowed -nt
OccamsRazor Thursday, November 26th at 12:49AM EST (link).
My Personal Opinion Is This
OccamsRazor Thursday, November 26th at 1:38AM EST (link)Dan Is Correct.
The orchestrator of this bill is pronounced ‘REEED’ In Deutschlander jargon, the second vowel is pronounced versus the first. Take your time.
Please be carefule, Alles.
Senators Who Vote 'Yay'
OccamsRazor Thursday, November 26th at 2:14AM EST (link)Complete mindless disregard of REASON and soul.
I am an imp by nature….
And the fact that so many ‘relatively’ intelligent souls ponder the ebb and flow of the Universe itself amuses me personally.
I’m not pagan by any means, but I do see their ingrained nature as such.
Divide and Conquer the mind for the greater good?
I type-Nonesense.
Burn in Hell Healthcare.