Really, there isn’t anything that could change is mind. This whole BRAC Offult is a stupid idea for Obama to use as a threat. The best thing that could ever happen is for Offult to get BRAC’d and become a job increase for Nebraska. Former SAC bases are working as job creators for cities. Bergstrom is the new airport for Austin,Kelly is a great boom in business for West San Antonio,England in Alexandria,LA is an Airport their. None of those SAC bases kill the place when they closed, in fact it’s quite the opposite.

He’s bought.

They’ve already said that the entire cost of the Senate bill is in the $800 billion range. There’s no way that they’d give one Senator $500 billion dollars of play money. He must have meant $300-500 million. And Nelson then would become a whore just like Landreu.

What’s a couple of letter between friends?

The idiots running the show in DC are so disconnected from reality they wouldn’t know the difference anyway. To them it is all just words on a page.

why other dems don’t just suddenly decide “I’m not for it without a similar buyoff.” I know it isn’t that they have a moral aversion to it so why not?

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the process isn’t over yet… they could all still do it… after which, at a minimum, they all need to be voted out…

is “message” amendments

He knows not what to do to OBJECT, and he is rolling over and playing dead and telling his caucus to as well.

no matter what the R’s do they must rely on at least one Dem to not vote to shut off debate and vote or otherwise bypass obstacles.

The 40 vote block of the R’s means nothing if the Dems manage to unite the other 60 against them.

The other interesting dynamic at work is that a lot of Dems know that passing this monstrosity will be either political or national suicide (if not both) and are in no hurry to pass it-except the Dem leadership that wants to press through no matter what beat downs, arm twisting and bribes it takes to kill the country.

This bill is treason in action against the nation.

This is war and you have to use EVERY weapon available…..

Love your blog BTW!!

McConnell does not have the guts to do this. He’s already demonstrated that.

Had it not been for her, we wouldn’t even be talking about this right now.

You already know this, of course, Art… I wonder if we’ve all learned our lesson yet.

We are just printing our future away…

It really makes me sick

that’s a big no

there was an amendment idea floated to require any formerly elected member of the house or senate to abide by a 10 year waiting period to be able to hold any paid position created by this bill, including lobbyist.

“Bush lets his rich pharma friends get away with murder — literally.”

“H1aN1 shortage proves Bush doesn’t care and HHS is worried more about politics and not protecting people’s lives”

Where will this money come from when the US is insolvent?
The NEW Great Depression will clear the decks of most US taxpayers.

The Chinese will tell Obama to take a flying leap.

But hey - we have Universal HealthCare!!!!!!
Too bad the doctors & nurses all quit.

Collins says “”It’s still too deeply flawed for me to support it.”"

For now.

Really, they still have Single Payer on the table and the Vapor bill isn’t even up. Today is 15th Day of the month of December and I’m sure that nothing is going anywhere before Christmas. Heck, not even before New Year’s Day.

in fact we should guarantee it happens.

I agree that the game isn’t over. Finding a single bill that can pass both houses (in a politically timely fashion) may prove to be a bridge too far. We’ll have to wait and see.

But I disagree about the Senate calculus right now. With folks like Harkin, Brown, Rockefeller, etal saying that they’ll vote for the bill without the PO, without the Medicare buy-in, and probably even without the 90% “Medical Loss ratio”, I’d say that they’ve got the numbers they’ll need.

Keep in mind, they’ve always got Snowe and Collins if they need them. So far as I can tell, the only two possible defections from the left are Burris and Sanders. And, even if they defect, they don’t necessarily have to vote against cloture (that’s important to remember….a Senator can vote against the bill without holding it up by way of cloture).

So the bill’s fate is probably on its way to the other side of the Capitol. Whether or not Pelosi can cobble together the votes there remains to be seen. I’m pretty skeptical, given how the earlier vote turned out. The left has more collective power in the House than it does in the Senate — and the grassroots left is apoplectic about this compromise (or capitulation, as they’d call it).

But maybe she can win over enough Blue Dogs who voted against the House version to render the Weiners and Franks of the world powerless.

Thing is: from a policy standpoint, the bill is still a bleepin’ disaster.

But, from a political standpoint, I think the successful passage of this kind of bill is actually the best result for our future prospects.

The left hates it, so they’re not going to gain any political energy from it. And I think the Dems long ago lost any hope of having independents on-board with the reform — with or without the public option.

They’re going to enact a bill that almost no broad constituency likes very much. I suspect we’re going to see support numbers for the legislation plummet in the near future — as the remaining holdouts on the left throw in the towel.

to trust Obama. He lies….he manipulates….and will say or do anything to get something passed. Something that will be changed later - in the dead of night and then signed into law while the American people are caught up in the Christmas holiday…..

“I have some concerns with the bill and after much consideration have decided that I will vote against it, but this is an important enough issue that I believe it deserves a fair up or down vote and we’ll let the chips fall where they may.”

to believe anything else is fantasy land.

Democrats, Republicans, Socialists, Communists. whatever you are.

The purpose of this bill is too take control of 1/6 more of the American economy. Americans that still have jobs will be taxed into oblivion.
I just wonder how long this statist government - run by thungs can keep grabbing before their hands get cut off?

You’re being awfully optimistic here.

and historical revisionism. No way the Republican can get 67 Senate votes and 2/3rds in the House. Especially with Snowe and Collins waiting to sign on.

Anybody who thinks this toothpaste can be put back in the tube is deluded and by November ‘10, only people like us will even remember this. National Health Care will just be an accepted part of life.

And you’ve pinpointed the worst of it. What began as cultural degradation is ending in infamy.

YESTERDAY?

They deserve their fate.

I agree that politically the best thing is for this bill to pass, but it is a total disaster for the country.

I still do not believe it will pass, however.

I just can not believe the left will roll over, and I seriously doubt Collins and Snowe will vote for it.

The hard Left hates this, conservaives hate it, and the moderates and independents don’t really like it either. But the talking heads in the MSM will trumpet that Obama had a big “win”.

That’s really all this bill has become, to give Obama a “win” so as not to embarrass the Messiah.

When people learn of the details, this legislation will be a drag on Obama’s and Democrats’ reelection efforts, but it will all be worth it for a few favorable news cycles on Obama’s huge victory. Right?

…it’s government provided, taxpayer funded health insurance. What the details would be are constantly changing depending on the current compromise. In addition to the taxpayer expense, the public option also includes plans and mandates to increase the number of citizens who are forced into the public option as they lose insurance, fail to purchase their own, the insurance they have doesn’t meet gov’t minimum mandatory requirements, or if they are unfortunate enough to have earned Tri-care through a lifetime of service to this country.

It’s a large stepping stone to a single payer system, once private insurance companies can no longer afford to compete with the post office version of govt healthcare insurance and they all go out of business, we’re in a single payer system. Which is what the progressives have wanted all along.

It is that simple…. It will be a GSE like Fannie/Freddie being created to try and PRETEND to be independent and “private” competition (ALL BS, of cousre) that will be mostly subsidized by Taxpayer money in order to undercut and put Private HC Insurance out of business to get the country to Single-Payer.

CALL IT Freddie-HaC HC, of course, for Health Care

The idea there is that all payments for health care come from the government. That’s the holy grail for them - it gives the government complete control when you can’t walk into your own doctor and write him a check for treatment.

I am a Nurse in a clinic with 50 doctors and 7 specalities; I work in the G.I. dept we have our own radiology dept in the building including CT and MRI, part of my job is to get procedures approved through insurance companies, most of the time known as a pre-cert.

A pre-cert for most things follows a pretty standard procedure. Lets use a CT scan.
Step 1) I take a deep breath and get ready to waste 15 to 45 minutes of my life making a phone call to an insurance company.

Step 2) I call the insurance company and listen to the same recorded message that tells me that even though I am doing this pre-cert they resever the right not to pay for a damn thing if they find it was “unjustified”. (Actually very rarely happens)

Step 3) If/when I finally get a human, or more likely a really well written computerr program with voice recognition, I give them/it the patients information and when we agree that its the correct patient I inform the entity on the other end of the phone what procedure is and why we want to do it.

Step 4) The entity on the phone then checks this information againist a list of approved reasons and if I have given them the correct answers they give me an approval number; OR go to Step 5.

Step 5) After part of the headache subsides; I have to give the insurance company further information. Now this is the first time I might actually get to speak to another Medical Professional, usually a Nurse or Physician. If I do get to actually speak to them then we can discuss the case I can actually use the medical vocabulary that I have spent most of my life learning and if I get a reasonable person then they approve the procedure and I get an approval number.

Now sometimes we get to skip all of the above and the insurance company Medical Professional wants to speak directly to the physician for whom I work, I am sure you can imagin how much he enjoys that, and they have the same discussion I would have had as above, but they get to rub their MD’s together.

The other alternative is that they request “clinical data”, i.e. anywhere from a few pages of notes to the entire freaking chart, which is faxed to them so that they can review the data and see if the procedure is justified. Which they usually give themselves up to 72 hours to complete. Then hopefully I get an approval number.

Then I get to listen to the final disclaimer that informes me again that all the work I have just done is not a gaurentee (sp?) of payment and that if someone forgets to attach the approval number to the bill that is sent to the insurance company they will not pay and that they reasons for the procedure will be reviewed again before they pay and if found wanting the work I just did is once again wasted, cause they won’t pay.

In all honesty 85% of the time I never have to go through step 5 that 15% more than makes up for the 85%.

Now keep in mind that what i just discribed is just the interaction with the insurance company for a single CT scan on one patient, it has nothing to do witth the actual medical part of my job or the scheduling; that is just to get an ok to preform the procedure so that the insurance company will actually consider paying for it. I sitll have to do all the nursey stuff like explain it to the pt, ask them the medical questions, etc…etc.

Now that you have all of that in your mind, take a napkin and wipe the blood that is trickeling from your nose, and imagin the United States Government agency running it and making up the lists of what is acceptable.

I apologize to anyone who suffered any adverse effects from the post, like brain melt and the like.

Is it possible that the Republicans are sitting back and letting this pass because they know that odds are they they will be in control after next year and then they will have this power for themselves? I hate to think that this may be true and I really don’t believe it, but I still felt I had to ask.
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The GOP has no power they do not have the ability to stop any of Obama’s actions

The only group holding up a vote at this point is Democrats

and it really is a question that needs to be asked.

They are convinced it is incompetence on McConnell’s part.

I am not.

http://patriotroom.com/article/lefties-to-reid-kill-the-bill–is-it-over-

Which dem will be the first to demand a billion dollars for his or her vote? We’re getting threre … $300M, then $500M, next ….

Than waiting to die a slow death under “Universal Healthcare”