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Sen. Nelson (D-NE) Rejects Abortion “Compromise” — Not at Yes is the New No

By: Dan Perrin (Diary)  |  December 17th, 2009 at 07:07 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

The left-right-center squeeze is on. (See this post for the latest parade of liberal attacks on the bill.)

Now, Senator Ben Nelson has rejected the abortion “compromise” language. It’s not just abortion either, Senator Nelson also cited other concerns he had with the legislation.

So, if you are counting Senators who are not YES votes, that count would be:

1. Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE)
2. Senator Burris (D-IL)
3. Senator Sanders (I-VT)
4. Senator Feingold (D-WI) — from The Hill: The Wisconsin senator said he has not yet made a decision on whether to support the legislation. “I am not making a judgment until I see the CBO numbers and that’s only the beginning.”
5. Senator Webb (D-VA) — “Webb wrote in an op-ed published in the Winchester Star on Wednesday that “I have yet to decide whether I will support final passage of the bill.”

Who knows where Senator McCaskill (D-MO) is, she says she will decide based on the CBO score. Gee, I wonder how that will turn out? Senators Landrieu (D-LA) and Lincoln (D-AR) are both at Yes — according to A1 Senate sources. The same sources say Senators Snowe and Collins are at No, a firm No.

However, the bottom line is this, Senator Reid does not have 60 votes. He cannot, therefore, have a vote on his hidden-not-yet-released-vapor-bill.

Senators Not-at-Yes matters because what the Senate ObamaCare bill has been doing for weeks is spinning-in-place.

And support has eroded, not strengthened as Senator Reid keeps trying new formulations to get to 60 votes. He never has had 60 votes for the bill (only 60 to proceed to consideration of it) and he may never get to 60 votes. I do not think he will ever have 60 votes.

So if you are Senator Reid, why have a vote just to lose it?

Especially when other No votes will start to show up on the floor once it is clear that 60 votes will not be achieved, since Senators know that Senator Reid and the President will not need their vote. These Senators would rather not get the earache (as in you are yelling in my ear) in their home state, so they would just vote No. It is the smart vote, since those voters who feel most passionately — on the left and the right — are at No, and so is the general public.

In short, not at Yes is the new No.

Here is how the Associated Press is reporting the not at Yes statement by Senator Ben Nelson: Associated Press:

“As it is, without modifications, the language concerning abortion is not sufficient,” Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson, a key holdout on the health care bill, said in a statement after first making his concerns known to Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

“Nelson said there were positive improvements dealing with teen pregnancy and adoption, and that he was open to further negotiations. But in a radio interview earlier in the day with KLIN in Lincoln, Nebraska, Nelson also said that abortion wasn’t his only concern and he didn’t see how the Christmas deadline was achievable.

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  • Jesse V

    Like he’s really gonna go against his lord and master. Don’t make me wanna puke. The republican party is done! Republicans are spineless, weak, non-entity’s who don’t have the huevos to stand up and fight the socialists. The repubs are trying to convince us the are playing the game and now look whats they’ve allowed to happen. You spineless wimps have allowed this bill to get this far. You sold out America you worthless piece’s of horse squeeze!

    • Leopard1996

      They could have called for reading the bill from the jump, but other than that, they never had the filibuster to not have the bill brought to the floor. At least with Sander’s amendment, they called for the reading, and it got pulled. I think any action before this would have galvanized the Dems because it would have been more about screwing Repubs and putting them in their place instead of having the Dem civil war we are seeing now.

    • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

      Putting the same basic rant on multiple sites is not cool. Attacking Republicans as spineless and assuming defeat is double not cool.

      • hickorystick

        police officer that would show up with his partner at Sanford (Sanford and sons) and say things like far-in, that’s really elbow, hot man. Just doesn’t quite sound right.

    • JadedByPolitics

      when WE have +80 in the House and it will be back to 50-50 in the Senate so that WE may enjoy your head exploding. The Republicans along with the 40% of us who are Conservatives make up 61% of the vote and WE WILL DESTROY the leftists in both Houses with unmitigated GLEE! I know you must act the tool to soothe your pain but the ANIMALS including yourself will be CAGED once again for many decades to come.

      The American public when given a view of the left up front and personal REJECTS you and WE benefit and WE shall mow you all down!

      • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

        that the Republicans will get 80+ in the House and will also retake the Senate. He said his reading of the trends data is (and I’m paraphrasing) that a sea-change is taking place among the voting Americans — the unemployment, the deficit spending, the bail outs, the incompetence, Cap&Tax, etc., have finally caused vast numbers of Americans to realize that Obummer and his Debtocrat cabal are dangerous incompetents and must be tossed out of office.

        It was music to my ears.

        But I won’t hang my hopes on Dick Morris’s predictions — I’ll just keep urging all conservatives I can to come into the Party as precinct committeemen so we can ensure as many conservative candidates as possible win the all-important primary elections.

        I want the Republican Party at the grass roots level to be at 100 per cent strength rather than the half-strength it was at on Election Day in 2008.

        Thank you.
        ColdWarrior
        No More Scozzafavas!

        • $peciallist

          80+…..your frickin psychic

    • lurker9876

      What I read about his tactics (think over at NRO) that one of the procedures to slow down the bill is that he can have 30 hours to read the bill. Perhaps he is waiting until Christmas eve to request a 30 hour period to read the bill without interruption and pull back?

      • lurker9876

        IF the bill ends up dying, that would be a good opportunity for the Republicans to come forward with their own proposals.

        And when they do get the majority back, that should be one of their first steps…push for true health care reform based on free market economics.

  • Jesse V

    Where’s the Tylenol?

    • conservativemusician

      Agree with civil_truth. Troll somewhere else please.

  • Jesse V

    Afraid to post my comments. Of course it really is all about the Benjamins. It’s time for a revolution people. If you got the cohones stand up and revolt! Vote all these spineless jerks out of office in 2010.

    Its time for the conservatives of this once great nation to wrest back control of our government and our country from the dingy harry reids, the idiot Pelosi and the always awful chucky “piece o’ dung” schumer!

    • JadedByPolitics

      I read your first response about the “repubs” and I know for a FACT that is exactly the way the LEFT talks about Republicans and then I read the rest of your comments and you ACT like you are a Conservative who just hates the elites in the party WELL Jesse buy a clue because WE Conservatives of which you are NOT and that is apparent even though you TRIED to save yourself down thread but it was TOO LATE do NOT call the party apparatus from which WE will SLAUGHTER the Democrat party in November “repubs” .

      I suggest you calm your pathetic self down and find somewhere else to SPEW your HATE because while WE might get angry and frustrated WE don’t do HATE (sometimes but not for long) here! WE leave that emotion to the LEFT because they revel in so well!

    • edniceville

      The correct spelling is juevos and cajones. We are intelligent enough here to recognize when someone throws in a “little spanish lingo”, and to know if it is spelled correctly.

  • fenriswolfkpc

    I have been calling and emailing Webb (NoVA resident). Thank you, Dan for your regular and excellent reporting on this.

    God is Sovereign, folks. Keep the faith and keep fighting the good fight.

    • http://fairfaxgardener.blogspot.com ddstrain

      Staffer said Warner would make no statemen until a bill was completed. I take that to have meant he would make so statement, vote for it, them issue a statement saying he did what he thought was right.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    n/t

    • Leopard1996
      • The_Gadfly

        I sent a note via the Contact form.

        • Leopard1996

          From this jackass on about 4 other posts. I hinz ruled him as well.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    He seems to be trying to instigate a vitriol not caalled for in this diary.

    • Jesse V

      So compromise is ok? So playing the political game is ok? Just let the dems fight the RINO’s battles for us? that’s ok? Me thinks not!

      NO! Its time for the real patriots of America to stand up and fight! We have sat silently by while we thought others would fight our battles for us. Now look what has happened! This great nation is doomed unless real American Patriots stand up and fight against the socialist take over of America.

      I guess that’s ok with you? LMFAO

      Yes I got nerve because I don’t want to see America destroyed!

      Its time we actually said what needs to be said! The American people are tired of the mamby pamby wimp way of doing things. Dang, We’ve had 8 years or more of the cow towing to the libs. Its time we took the fight to those bast*@ds.

      No man has ever won a war by dying for his country! – Gen., George Patton. Cleaned up for this post!

  • penguin2

    Jesse V seems to have a lot of nerve.

    And on Senator Webb, while we are not overly fond of him, he did send us an interesting email response, that indicates, he will not always do the party line. There is just enough of a renegade in him, that he could surprise us all.

    • lurker9876

      Think I will bow out on this troll line.

  • davidstone

    Question: if Reid gets his 60 votes, probably 9 Democratic Senators will vote against it to pass it 51-49. Will those 9 be protected by voting against it even though they voted for cloture? The could make the argument that a reform bill like this deserves an up or down vote. “I was not voting for it when I voted for cloture, I just wanted it to come to a vote and then I voted against it.”

    Mara Liasson was making that argument today on Fox News. She said it would be comparable to the argument made by Republicans over judicial appointments (“everyone should be allowed an up or down vote, no filibustering”). I don’t think voters will look at it that way, what do you think?ll

    • Composer_Man

      The percentage of the populace that stays politically “informed” will know what happened. Those who take only a casual or passing interest in matters of government will be fooled by the “I didn’t vote for it” canard.

      • davidstone

        The good thing is that in the mid-term elections, the latter voters you point out in your post constitute a much smaller percent of the voting public than in general elections.

    • Dan Perrin

      if Reid gets his 60 votes…

      He’s been trying…

      • countessolenska

        As of now, I don’t know that the Senate knows what the cost is, what the details are, what Lieberman has taken out, if there’s other stuff that’s been put in, etc. Do you think this “waiting for the CBO” is just a cover?

    • writeblock

      …sort of situation where the majority completely ignores the intensity of the opposition. It’s those strong feelings that need to be cooled for a reasonable peace to prevail in the body politic. As it is now the public is furious and a storm is gathering.

  • Jesse V

    as heck and I ain’t gonna take it anymore! ‘m going to march into the voting booth and vote against every repub and dem on the ballot!

    I will vote for the Conservative and I don’t give a rats behind if they are libertarian of independent as long as they oppose the socialist take over of America!

    TEA Party is the new Party of America!

    Smoke that you dems and repubs!

    Cowards!

    • VizBiz

      Any educated conservatve knows that a third party will only get Democrats elected.

      Of course you could be a troll and are attempting to change minds in this forum. Trust me, you won’t.

    • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

      This is Republican and conservative site.

      You’ve set yourself against the first, and there’s no evidence that you’re the second.

      You’d better hope you don’t wake the bunny first.

    • Power_Pro

      Voting 3rd party is the surest way to lose.

      I do support Tea Party folks challenging GOP incumbents in the primaries…but when push comes to shove, we need to vote for the most conservative WINNABLE candidate…and that person is going to be in the GOP.

      Anything else is a de facto half vote for the Democrats.

    • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim
  • Jesse V

    I hope not otherwise think again!

    Obviously you’ve never read one of my previous posts or my blogs!

    Cowards! Thats right! Some of you are the exact reason we’re in this mess!

    Hope and change, hows that working out for you RINO’s?

    What a bunch of maroons! Don’t even recognize a true patriot when you see one!

    http://americapatriot.blogtownhall.com/

    • JadedByPolitics

      American Patriot my A@@ you are one fry short of a happy meal and need to go hang on some Ron Paul sites because WE don’t do CRAZY here!

    • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

      newly established and existing conservative community over the last year.. I actually have to retrace, now I believe your nothing but a AlGore worshipping 38 year old, living in your mother’s basement, working on a stipend from George Soros tryingt to start trouble among conservatives.

      If you do not have something positive to contribute, like I said, Arriana is recruiting.

      • Jesse V

        did you a holes read my blog? NO@! assholes!

        • JadedByPolitics

          NASTY HATEFUL DISGUSTING attitude? dream on! I would rather burn my eyes reading kos before I would hit your link you idiot!

          “butt munch” your illustrative use of the English language is…what is the word….oh yeah PATHETIC! Grow up tool!

        • Vegas_Rick

          Before he hurts himself?

        • Jesse V

          Butch!

    • Third Street

      One of the things I like about RS is that unlike many other conservative sites, it categorically rejects any notion of a third-party movement and shuts down any attempt to boost one. These guys are all about the practical advancement of conservatism, not ideological spitting into the wind.

      People who vote against Republicans, as you’ve vowed to do, have no business complaining about “RINOs”. You’re not even in the game.

    • joayn

      “maroon”. Get a clue, sparky. your boring rant is just that. Adult minds at work here.

      • Third Street

        • Jesse V

          Kiss my ass you mf’ers!

          And with that Moe can ban me forever, You pieces of dung make me sick!

          • SteveLA

            Nice picture of you though.

          • gekster

            On one of his first post ‘s today, a Hinze Rule was called.
            In reverence and Respect to David., Yes.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

            Please do not give this guy the satisfaction.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

            http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=8252259&page=1

          • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

            http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66353

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • Jesse V

            yeah, but your little chuckle over the photo shows you and your minions to be that they truly are. RINO’s and progressive.

            If you had any guts you’d white out his photo as well!

            Coward.

            Although I will admit its a very good likeness of me.

            Wuite striking and handsome don’t you losers think?

          • Third Street
          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • bs
          • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

            before your head explodes and you pollute our house.

        • hickorystick

          had me laughing so hard I woke up my couch-napping wife

  • Jesse V

    This once great nation is doomed you maroons!

    Eric, thanks for your site! its been a joy to post here.

    however, this site has been taken over by a bunch of maby pamby wimps! I’ve been away due to work and other commitments. However those that think I’m anything other then a true patriot can kiss my fat white ass!

    calling me a troll! Screw you! Assholes! You belong with Chucky ?itch Schumer!

  • Jesse V

    This is our time!
    Posted by American Patriot on Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:18:14 PM

    THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. ” – (Thomas Paine, Crisis in America, 1776)

    As Paine states, ?These are the times?! These words written over 200 years ago are just as true today as they were when first penned in December of 1776, at one of the darkest points of the American Revolution.

    American patriots starving and freezing at Valley Forge. Washington?s Army crumbling before his eyes, the Revolution might have died that winter had it not been for the resolve of men like General George Washington, Thomas Paine, the roughly 2500 patriots who remained in camp with Washington, and of course all of our founding fathers.

    Please remember how Washington and his soldiers crossed the Delaware river, freezing, starving, some with no boots, slogging through snow and mud to finally arrive at Trenton, New Jersey to engage and defeat the Hessians, our poorly trained ragtag army versus a professional army, and with that victory the American patriot’s guaranteed that the Revolution would not die that winter and provided the momentum that would provide us with the America we love.

    Do we not owe it to them, ourselves, our children and our country to give our all, to resolve to give our best just as they did over 200 years ago?

    We cannot shrink from OUR duty to protect and defend our country and Constitution. Now is our time to be heard, now is our time to continue the revolution to reclaim America and to bring it back to what our founding fathers first envisioned, when they too had to fight for their freedoms!

    Now is the time to rebuild the America that we all grew up in, the America we love, the America that as Ronald Reagan says ?Is a shining city?, the ?America that stands as a beacon of freedom? for all free people on this planet! The America ?whose best days are still ahead and not behind!?

    We must stand with our brothers and sisters who are organizing, fighting, voting, and striving with all their heart and strength to save this great country from the looters in Congress.

    We must stand with them, we must hit the phones to call, and we must email everyone that we can. We must make our voices heard in congress and across the land!

    Again I quote Thomas Paine – ?The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.? (These words bring tears to my eyes!)

    I know we are tired, I know that it seems like an uphill battle, yet, we are making a difference and we cannot shrink from our duty, not only to ourselves, but to our children and to every American living and dead who fought and died so that we may enjoy the freedoms we have today!

    ?Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.? – Thomas Paine

    • VizBiz

      I believe that the Republican party is the conservative party. I’m frustrated too, but calling fellow patriots idiots ain’t gonna get you far. Take back the party.

      • Jesse V

        As it stands today is not our friend! My goodness folks, do you truly beleive that the repubs are our friends?

        Yes, I’m angry that helath care is about to pass and until yesterday the republican party has done nothing to stand in its way. Nme me one thing they did other then pass amendments to try and make the bill better?

        Did any of you read Eric’s blog? h ttp://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/12/fight/

        I’m so frustrated. But calling me a troll, especially if you don’t know me is to me, akin to calling me the worst thing you can think of. So yes, I took that personally and it pissed me off. And I’m not scared, theres nothing that can be done to me that hasn’t already been done. Still I stand up and I fight for this country, and I ain’t no troll! And to call me crazy or whatever is your shortcoming not mine.

        Still if you’re content to sit idly by while America is destroyed thats your perogative. I just feel its time we fight back! And sometimes harsh words are needed to wake some people up. If thats not you, keep your mouth shut! And yes I am a little more firey then some of the rest of you, still I don’t call people trolls without proof!

        • penguin2

          to do so, but there is a way to do it. People are calling troll on you because you sound like you are ranting and saying things real trolls come here and do. Act like they are crazy for our side, but really want to see if they can elicit same response. What you are saying makes you suspect. Especially, the third party quest, that is a no, no here. We will work from inside the GOP, to turn out those that we need to, but that is only way to succeed.

        • Putter

          It is as though you have been to your first Bar Mitzvah and you are preaching purity to people that had their skin used for lamp shades. We have been fighting this battle for quite a while. Third party = loser.
          Tone it down or you will be considered a concern troll.

      • Jesse V

        tone it down. Is this how repubs treat real patriots. You bunch of 60′s radical hippies make me sick!

    • Taniwha

      “He’s too angry in a small local area. He sounds like someone who just went nuts all of a sudden…”

      That, or he’s a plant; Either way, he’s stinking up the place.

    • gekster

      I’m just saying how long he’s been here. Letting others know he is
      relatively new.
      Also to indicate to him that if he stays on this course he has chosen,
      it may have undue consequences.
      I’ve read most of his posts.
      And after the last few, wellllll,
      its up to him.

      • Jesse V

        And if my word scare you then so be it!

        I know you feel that you have to be politically correct and not rock the boat! How lame! I don’t feel that way and I won’t mince words! I’m not as eloquent as Eric or Thomas Paine, still my words are no more controversial then theirs.

        You all need to stand up and fight! or are you all Lindsey Graham, John McCain wannabes? Do any of you have the huevos to save this great nation? Not many other then Eric or Moe from waht I can see. I’m scared, I can’t speak out!

        If you’ve read any of my previous posts then you know when I say I’m not a troll its true, still you indict without evidence! Just like real trolls!

        But if you want to play the republican political game then you and this site is not for me.

        And yes, a third party will only hurt the all of us. Still, how many dede scozzafava’s can we allow to be elected? How many Newt’s can we elect, only to have them turn tail and run at the first inkling of trouble? To have them all cow tow to the dems?

        And with that I bid all you repubs adieu, as I go to seek a site of true Patriots who will stand and fight. Not play the repub game. Shoot, thats what got us in to this mess to begin with!

        • gekster

          But the way you are doing it is by running aroungd the room,
          yelling and cussing at everybody.

          • Jesse V

            I’m just mad at whats happening in Washington. But to call me a troll without proof or evidence ain’t right!

            Thats when I got really angry. Some of the comments made about me were worse then my comments. I was personally attacked. So I lashed out against those who would attack me.

            Some here act just like good liberals. Attack someone without knowing the truth!

            And yes that made me angry.

            So to all who were offended I apologize. I’m sorry! Mea Culpa

            Now who among you will apologize for the nasty things you said about me?

          • Richard Mullins

            and furthermore I hope get the H@ll out of here before I wack you upside the head so hard it’s going to hurt. I think you might want to reconsider your shictk right now. If you call me anything other than Sir, I’m going beat you senseless. Better yet, I’ll do it anyways. No one here really needs to hear what you think, because it’s just stupid.

        • http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

          you are saying we are the problem, in fact it is people like you that vote 3rd party that gives us the Dems and the Leftward turn. Thanks for getting Reid and Pelosi in power in 2006 and Obama elected. You really did a whole lot for the Conservative Cause, Congratulations

          • Jesse V

            Some of “US” are the problem. Some of us didn’t even vote! Or we voted for Mickey Mouse or whomever.

            We have to take responsibility now. We are the ones who have to take back this country. and if what I just said hurts then I’m sorry. But I only want to fire up those who sit idly by and do nothing. If thats not you then know its not you of whom I speak!

          • http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

            tell me what I do not get???? Please I wouold really like to know waht i do nto get????

            Is it that people like you have voted in the most Liberal President.

            Or are you just a Moby acting like a Conservative but just in reality a total idiot.

          • gekster
  • Mayhem

    Do you think Reid will even schedule the cloture vote this weekend, then? If he doesn’t have 60, then filing for cloture will just be an official stamp of defeat on an already failed process. Would he let the vote happen if he knew it was going to fail?

    I don’t think he would myself. If he did file cloture knowing he didn’t have 60, you’d have to assume then that he just wants this to be over and done.

    • Power_Pro

      It could be that he’ll do it so that the process starts and in his mind, add pressure to the hold outs.

      I’m still thinking though that if he tries for a vote on Christmas Eve, he’ll hit a brick wall in the way of Sens. DeMint and Coburn…who I think will require a full reading of the bill.

      http://www.jimdemint.com/blog/2009/12/read-every-page/

    • IJB

      Which is roundabout way of saying Reid will *not* file for cloture this weekend.

      As Dan said, he doesn’t have 60 votes – Nelson is basically a firm No, and I don’t think they can really count on Lieberman until he sees a “final” deal with all the i’s dotted and the t’s crossed. And if they don’t have 60, they won’t have 45 on the cloture vote.

      So I don’t see how this doesn’t go past New Years.

      My guess is they may use the “excuse” of the “problems” with the military funding bill to push the schedule back.

      The real question is – will they even bother to take it back up again after New Year’s?! I have my doubts, but we’ll see…

      • Power_Pro

        …such as Warner, it might be that they see how the political winds are blowing and they don’t want to commit themselves to a politically suicidal path.

        As things seem to continue to spin out of control, we could see people like Webb and Warner “vote their conscience” against this bill (aka save their butts).

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        If the GOP make a firm commitment and promise to have a GO SLOW and READ THE BILL approach, then Sen Reid CANT make it to a Christmas vote … HE CANT.

        The time is already up.

        Another thing – if Ried DID have the votes, why can’t he wait for Jan 5th to have the vote? 2 1/2 short weeks? … THE RUSH TO PASSAGE SINCE SUMMER WAS ABOUT GETTING IT DONE BEFORE THE THING WENT OUT OF CONTROL… WELL GUESS WHAT? IT’S ALREADY GOTTEN OUT OF THE CONTROL.

        The Democrats are now in a deathmarch mode, with a very unpopular bill and the inability to craft a bill that will satisfy enough people on all sides.

        They do not have 60 votes for public option and never will get it. They do not have 60 votes for a ‘non-public opion mandates’ bill and never will get it.

        It’s possible that Reid will forge ahead just to show how much he tried, so the left will accept the half-loaf measure.

    • Dan Perrin

      is if he did not believe a Sanders or a Burris or a Webb or a Feingold or a Nelson would actually vote NO, that is, he is calling their bluff.

      The downside is that if he loses only one vote, the loses lots of votes, because the stampede to get out of the way of the toxic ObamaCare will run Reid over.

  • clintonformccain

    The Christmas Eve vote makes no sense. Even US Senators can’t be clueless enough to think they can pass this piece of legislation in the middle of the night and nobody will notice.

    • Dan Perrin

      Christmas vote because the tea-partiers would be celebrating Christmas and not going to town hall meetings or calling.

      Really. Even back then, they had a whiff of desperation.

      Now, they are fully desperate.

  • popdaddy

    Other than the “read the Bill” strategy finally implemented late, What have the GOP Senators really done to stop this abortion of America’s soul?

    If all the GOP Senators just packed up and left Friday for the Christmas break, would the socialist democrats stay to vote the 60 number they already have?

    Reading aloud every bill prior to a vote is a good thing, get’s America to November 2010.

  • countessolenska

    I understand Nelson, but where are you getting the information that the others plan to vote no?

    I believe Nelson has some legitimate issues with the bill, although he has equivocated for a while now over various elements. The others have problems too, but I believe they will vote for the bill. They just need to see it. Reid hasn’t gotten the scoring from the CBO yet.

    • Dan Perrin

      and the representations are current.

    • Dan Perrin

      see above the More jump in this post, just added some links

  • Dan Perrin

    http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/12/17/wait-roland-burris-to-withhold-vote-until-he-gets-what-he-wants-too.aspx

  • Dan Perrin

    Senators are saying, but what they say.

  • Dan Perrin

    Senators are saying.

    • Dan Perrin

      n/t

  • DefendUSA

    I, for one, would call all damn day long if I thought it would help…and even drive to DC. It’s too important not to bombard them when they think we won’t. We can all forgo thirty seconds to phone….

    • janis

      60 seconds of unbridled fury if they do this. Nothing says “Christmas” like telling the Senate that they have hearts two sizes too small and souls that are shriveled like raisins.

      And jobs that are looking increasingly less stable…..

  • http://www.theamericanmind.com Sean Hackbarth

    On yesterday’s?Senate Doctors Show? Sen. Tom Coburn, M.D., and Sen. John Barrasso, M.D., discuss an op-ed Sen. Coburn wrote for the Wall Street Journal and all the problems the doctors have with the Democrats? Washington takeover of health care.

    You can watch the show here:

    http://republican.senate.gov/doctors/

    Check it out.

    Sean