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The Stupak Double Cross

By: Dan Perrin (Diary)  |  March 22nd, 2010 at 11:07 AM  | 

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Late Saturday night I began to get “a bad feeling” about Stupak. As of Sunday morning, none of the GOP staff on Capitol Hill in pro-life offices that I talked to had any idea about any possible Stupak Executive Order, or where the pro-life groups stood on that question. No one had heard anything. (The distribution process of the position of the pro-life groups had failed.)

Further, the threat-perception was low because Stupak himself kept convincingly and repeatedly denying any deal had or was going to struck. Throughout the course of Sunday morning and afternoon, I had various intermediaries go directly to Stupak, and face-to-face asked him if there was a deal. These included reporters, staff and other Members of Congress.

He lied to all of them.


Further, the Catholic Church had been cut out and cut off by Stupak towards the end of last week — they realized as they could not reach him.

Rep. Stupak traded his and his followers’ vote for a piece of paper that will be shredded by the first judge to decide between the law and the Stupak Executive Order.

The law Stupak voted for will win the coming lawsuit by pro-abortion groups over the differences between the law and the Executive Order, obviously. Then, thanks to Rep. Stupak, taxpayer funded abortions will be legal and underway.

Stupak’s claim that he and his folks was willing to be responsible for killing ObamaCare, was a lie.

Stupak not only double crossed his allies and his colleagues, he double crossed the innocents.

But for the Stupak double cross, it was clear that the Dems would have lost the vote, and ObamaCare would have been dead.

I did my best to stop this bill, and accurately reported the vote count, and as the vote approached Sunday afternoon, it was clear to everyone that the Red Queen did not have the votes — until the Stupak double cross.

Now, it is time to make the Dems to feel the same political pain they have inflicted on us. This is not a matter of revenge, it is a matter of principle. They have ignored the public and betrayed their word — they must be unelected.

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  • paulnashtn

    Did you REALLY believe Stupak was going to vote against this bill if his vote was needed????
    He told his constituents in october that he would vote for the bill regardless of whether the “no abortion” clause was there or not

    • JSobieski

      So don’t pretend that people like Dan knew about the video, and still thought Stupak was playing it straight up.

      We definitely would have had a different whip count and a different tact on Stupak had someone brought attention to the video beforehand.

      • Jack_Savage

        To avoid embarrassing Stupak in case he was being truthful about his “principles”.

        • WarEagle01

          on that video and why it wasn’t made public before?

        • WarEagle01

          on that video and why it wasn’t made public before?

      • weatherford

        probably matched Pelosi’s. She and the Pres realized they had to give Stupak cover. No one in their right mind would have believed he would have been either stupid enough or duplicitous enough to buy into the EO garbage. I beleve it was duplicity rather than stupidy.

        Anyhow, the result is the same. It was a monumental selllout that even today is rare in politics and virtually impossible to foresee.

        Dan is going to be the best we have in implimenting our best plan, which is to stop the goverment dead in its tracks with apology to no one. That goal is best achieved by the slow roll in the Senate. One Senator is all Dan needs, and the Senate tempo can change from jazz to a lulaby.

        ALL business needs to stopped our be radically slowed. Every functiof the Senate: there are three a) legislative (laws), b) executive (nominations and treaties), and judicial (trials of impeachment) can all be halted entirely or slowed to imperceptable movement. It can not be done in the House.

        The Senate can be forced to follow the role the framers envisaged for it. An equal voice for each State and a check on the ignorance, folly, and passions of the lower body. Again, one Senator from one state can do it. Two senators from two states is only a marginally better combination.

        We got as far as we did because Dan got ONE SENATOR to say “I object.”
        The leadership needs to be stroked a bit but basically ignored. NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEEDS TO BE ‘cleared” with the leadership. That is crap.

        I am new here, but it is evident to me that the folks on this site are the country’s best hope. The very best thing that can be done is to help DAN find that ONE SENATOR, or if he has been found already, either way, GIVE THAT SENATOR EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING HE NEEDS IN SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT.

        Dont worry too much about the elections. Our role is to get to them without further major damage and particularly without a fatal blow, like enfranchising illegals.

        The main battle is on the floor of the United States Senate. If we win there we win everywhere. The People WANT a party that obstructs. Let us show them how it is done.

    • Dan Perrin

      if the abortion language was not changed, and as far as October, that is ancient history compared to hours before the vote.

    • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

      They thought they had reason to believe.

      Mr. Perrin is not the only one who has had to regret since the double cross. I tried real hard to believe because I respect Mr. Perrin and others on here even though I knew Democrats lie and have no principles. They have proven once again that something they claim as a mantle is but a myth.

      Learn from it but don’t spend time beating up on anyone who was fooled by it. Nobody’s perfect.

      We’re got more important work to do.

      • Return to Revolution

        Granted, I never heard of the guy before all this; maybe I would’ve thought different had I known more about him. Obviously, had I seen that video I wouldn’t have believed any of it.

        • cari

          As an optimist, I’m prone to believe the best about people until proven otherwise. He definitely proved otherwise, and after what happened to Ben Nelson and his family in Nebraska, I really didn’t think he’d do what he did.

    • The_Gadfly

      I DID figure a couple of his minions would fold. Stupak played the game almost as well as Nelson did. He should reap the same reward.

      It has been said in other places, and apparently we will need to keep repeating it:

      There are no pro-life Democrats running for office, only enablers of more abortion.

  • bk

    Like you said, without Stupak plus a couple of others, this might have failed. Then again, a couple of the ones Madame Nancy allowed to vote no might have voted yes if it had been needed. It’s disgusting.

    Landrieu held out for some cash; Lieberman held out on principle; Stupak made a lot of noise and got nothing, except that now people on both sides of the debate are teed off at him.

    • JSobieski

      nt

      • bk
  • earlgrey

    I don’t remember, the post the comments were on, and I don’t want to double post.

    Essentially, you kept us fired up, and because of that we have momentum.

    • The_Gadfly

      I was truly hoping you were correct and I was wrong.

  • wilfranc

    While tempting to throw the major amount of blame on Stupak, which he well deserves first as a person, then as a representative, there are 218 in the house that were also the deciding factor.

    Stupak is an example of Hayek’s reasoning of why the bad rise to the top. If you are willing to compromise your principles in public that you would not do in private, you would be a corruptable person. If you are willing to say one thing and do another, it cannot be attributed to your integrity.

    Stupak was looking for and found 15 minutes of fame. It seems for the Dems all the world is a stage, and we are being played. The chorography (Major Garrett’s words) is still going on in Washington.

    Mr. Smith, as some of the more hopeful watchers claimed he was, has evidently left the building.

    • JSobieski

      His block was the deciding vote. Stupak and his block deserve special attention.

      • bk

        It’s easier to deal with someone who has no principles than someone who pretends to have some.

        • cari

          according to a friend of mine in his district wouldn’t have taken a lot of digging. As a police officer, he accidentally shot himself in the foot and then went to law school, on the tax payer’s dime, and has lived off the state ever since.

          Also, he and his wife have evidentially not taken their marriage vows very seriously and haven’t exactly been secretive about it. It’s not hard to imagine some incriminating photos being slapped on the table just before Stupak caved.

          What was Reagan’s line? Trust but verify? Good advice.

    • azaeroprof

      Stupak has a *special* kind of guilt in this. Since it is our kids and grandkids that will suffer if this is not repealed, this is personal now.

      We need to make darn sure that Stupak does NOT enjoy being a Congressman for the short remainder of his term!

      • littlehouse18

        Stupak’s possible Republican opponent, Benishek, has a facebook page and the followers were coming in fast and furious last night. I wonder how much he took in in contributions?

  • penguin2

    bill are appreciated. No one could control the outcome of the vote, except the Democrats, and Stupak in particular. Until yesterday, I believed that Stupak and his group really were pro-life. I saw them that way first, and as Democrats, second. Of course, now we know that is not true, and yesterday for the first time, I saw that video of Stupak from Nov. which clearly indicated he had no principles in the pro-life fight.

    The Democrats had to scheme, obfuscate, lie and distort to get this monstrous bill passed.

    The passage of the bill was in their hands; the outcome and consequences of their action is now in ours.

    • joayn

      You did a great job and you were absolutely correct in stating that they didn’t have the votes. Penguin is absolutely correct in stating that they had to lie, scheme, and obfuscate to get this deal done.

      We all wanted to believe that Stupak was a man of principle. After all that face-time on Fox and a gazillion interviews, he never wavered from his position. Until last Friday.

      That was the tell for me. When he was on Greta, at the end of their interview, Stupak started talking about how much he wanted the bill to pass which he hadn’t done before. That was the danger-will-robinson moment for me.

      All things considered, the saying of “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,” certainly should be applied in the future.

    • eburke

      and pro-life second, all you had to do was catch his ‘performance’ during the motion to recommit debate. His first whopper?

      “The motion to recommit purports to be the Stupak ammendment and be pro-life” Ummm….Bart…it WAS the Stupak ammendment, word for word.

      But the bigger whopper was yet to come:

      “It has been the Democratic Party that has been the pro-life party from conception to natural death”

      You keep telling yourself that, Bart, both when you meet with your priest and when you meet your Maker.

      • grandma

        His ltirade during his speech was extremely revealing.

        He manifested the “justifiable” anger and defensiveness of a betrayer.

        I have seen this behavior many times while sidewalk counseling in front of PP, whether just praying without any intervention work, or doing intervention with the woman being dragged into the abortuary by the man. I’ve experienced it from a policeman who tried to intimidate me with this same demeanor while putting his hand on his sidearm.

        Very telling about Stupak. He will just get more defensive and viscous now, unless he hits rock bottom and the state of grace.

        • redneck_hippie
  • ocleverone

    I appreciate every moment of your energy and work.

    • azaeroprof

      Dan, your reporting was a beacon of sanity and accuracy throughout. Much appreciated!

    • http://barnettlaw.org Frozen_Man

      I really appreciate all the hard work that you did in order get us information. There was no way to know Stupak would do what he did. Again, thanks for all the work.

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      • treeofliberty

        You have done yeomen’s work on this issue and I’m sure all of us appreciate your tireless efforts here.

        I have no doubt you reported the vote totals as best you could and I had begun to believe myself that we had a decent shot of stopping this disgrace of a bill from being passed.

        Now that it’s over, it’s time to double down our efforts and ensure the Rats like Stupak are buried (poltically speaking) once and for all.

    • E Pluribus Unum

      But like you say here, it’s a new war on new fronts.

      I am all about retribution.

  • tngal

    Pelosi had a few pocket votes as well, even before Stupad did his thing. I heard rumors one TN congressman would vote w/ red queen, if she absolutely needed him but he preferred not to because he didn’t want to come back to angry constituents. Im wondering how many others she had tucked away just in case Stupad didn’t pull through for him.

    (darn, keep misspelling his name. gotta get a new keyboard)

  • Woo_girl

    It was just all for show. The Great Pelosi worked so hard for this, pulling off the most amazing feat of her political life. I call BS. It’s all been orchestrated from the beginning so that they could hide this, move that, make it harder to find. Now the CBO wasn’t an easy deal to pull off, that they did have to work hard for. They overworked those poor bastards until they couldn’t see straight then sent in the worst garbage on earth and got the worst garbage on earth out. Then when the true numbers came out, well, now, we have this preliminary and that’s all we need to show. And with the lame stream media’s support that’s all anyone heard. THE NUMBERS FIT, WE MUST COMMIT!

    With this Stupak deal the pro-choicers should have walked right out of the vote… but they didn’t. Oh yeah, they moaned and groaned, great show wasn’t it?

    And here is the true kicker… they know the Senate isn’t going to accept the reconcillation bill sent to them. The senate wouldn’t even attempt to speak to the pubs till the vote was over. We all know the writing on the wall and if those who passed this bill didn’t know they must all be brain dead.

    No the deal has all along been to accept the Senate BILL. All of them knew it, we were just forced to watch the childish pageant.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      By dragging it out they gave us more time to find bad stuff.

      The easiest way to hide what you’re doing is to pass quickly.

      Your theory doesn’t hold water.

      • Jack_Savage

        You need to break it down into a sound bite for those in the House who voted for the Senate bill:

        “We had a deal with the Senate to pass the reconciliation bill, but the obstructionist Republicans filled it full of terrible amendments, so it couldn’t pass the House again. The Senate bill isn’t perfect, but at least it guarantees all Americans health coverage, and that is what is important. Why do Republicans want to take health care away from children? Why? Why?”

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          Are we talking about whether Pelosi had to struggle to get the votes, thanks to GOP unity, or are we talking about how we’ll campaign on it?

          • Jack_Savage

            Sure Pelosi had to struggle a little bit to get the votes, but the votes were there the whole time, as woo_girl suggests. A tweak on page 1847, one here on page 2420, then they’re good. Pelosi was intially counting on RINO Republicans, and when they weren’t there it simply took a little longer to bribe her caucus. It was always just a matter of time.

            The votes were always there. They were just polishing things up for political purposes, with Stupak just being a little late to the party. The fact that he “changed” his vote over a receipt signed by Obama, plus the little video that is circling, prove his true intentions.

            As for how they are going to campaign on it – that is intertwined with voting for the Senate bill. They held up their end of the bargain, R’s in the Senate are obstructionist, it’s not their fault, we did what we could. No one voted in the House until the answer to that question was formed.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            We can analyze the sitaution in depth any way we please.

            How to distill it for the voters is something we decide come June and July.

          • Jack_Savage

            I am saying they decided how to distill it for voters before it came to the floor, and that is what led to passage.

      • Woo_girl

        Just an opinion, dear, we still, thank god are still entitled to them.

      • Dave_in_Fla

        But there is some validity to the idea. On some level they knew they had to pass the Senate bill, it was the only option. But no one in the rank and file was ready to just do it.

        Enter weeks of kabuki to distort the issue, and give the members a fig leaf to say, “I worked hard to change it, but those damn Senators double crossed us!”

        Sure we find lots of bad stuff in the reconciliation, but who cares? The Senate bill is the only bill, and was always going to be such. We already knew how bad the Senate bill is, nothing new there.

      • cari

        He’s saying now that the Dems did not have the votes until Stupak caved late yesterday afternoon.

        Saying they had the votes all along gives them WAY too much credit. Watching this process highlighted the sheer incompetence of the leadership. The only way they pulled this off, is because their party is full of clueless, spineless sheep.

        • eburke

          votes, she wouldn’t have given Bart the time of day. The only reason she didn’t give him what he wanted was because she’d have lost a huge chunk of the pro-abortion caucus and all hell was breaking loose from everyone else who wanted their own little deal.

          Bart just did the best job of bluffing and in the end Nancy called his bluff, and Stupak revealed himself (as is shown on the video now circulating) to be the cold, calculating socialist that he is who cares more about socialism then he does innocent life.

          There’s a special place in hell for people like that.

          • Jack_Savage

            “Stupak revealed himself (as is shown on the video now circulating) to be the cold, calculating socialist that he is who cares more about socialism then he does innocent life.”

            Nancy knew that all along, and when it came time to fish or cut bait Stupak got his little EO, and the abortion advocates got federal funding for abortion.

            Did anyone really think that the Party of Death would write abortion funding out of this bill?

          • aesthete

            The Dems didn’t have the votes without Stupak, and Stupak intended all along to join with the Dems in voting for this crapfest. The Dems, however didn’t know this, because Stupak’s kabuki theatre was him throwing his weight around and building a power base. Ironically enough, now that Stupak has zero credibility on the issue, I’m guessing that said power is going to evaporate more quickly than he might think.

            I think he was expecting more of a concession from the Dems, but that when he didn’t get it, he settled and decided to become a good little Democrat.

  • Woo_girl

    Dan thank you so much for all of your hard work. I depended on your posts so much to help keep me focused and level.

  • Section9

    The Progressives are feeling full of themselves this morning. They shouldn’t be. This seems all like a great idea to them today.

    Invading Russia seemed like the right thing to do in June of 1941, too. Too bad for the Germans it didn’t turn out that way.

    There are hideous unintended consequences buried in this ambitious overreach of a bill for the Democrats. Matters are worse for the country, as the bill comes due for other things.

    You did your best to try and save the country, Dan. Tip of the hat to you sir. As Reagan remarked after losing in 1976, “I lay me down and bleed a while, then get up to fight again.”

  • antisocial

    I also think NRLC failed in a big way in this fight. They essentially lost without fighting.

  • hillcountryx3

    …lies and deceptions cut from the same soul bank..

  • usedtobelib

    Surely Greta seemed not to know about it. Seems odd to think it was out there all along, yet no one knew about it. Wonder if a health care supporter captured Stupak’s performance at a town hall and didn’t put this up until after his “victory,” To rub it in?

    BTW, Dan, you did a great job. Thanks for your work on this issue and for your contributions to this site, a site I’ve only recently discovered.

  • Jack_Savage

    Thanks for all your hard work, and for keeping us informed. Rest, then let’s fight again.

    I had a “bad” feeling about Stupak when I saw a “D” after his name…

  • teresakoch

    As to the “15 minutes of fame” that these turncoats are getting, I think we should be putting pressure on the Conservative news outlets to shun them if they went back on their word.

    If FOX News truly wants to be the media outlet of the future, they are going to have to stop caving to the Socialists on the left. If someone says they are going to do something, and they lie about it, then their megaphone needs to be turned off then and there, and they need to suffer the consequences of their actions.

    We’re ready to get after it – let’s roll…..

    • joayn

      that Fox should refer to the Stupak deal (and don’t forget Kucinich) as a reminder if similar circumstances arise. “Congressman/Senator Democrat says x, but you never can tell what will happen, just remember the Kucinich/Stupak deals.”

      And I don’t think the major interview shows on Fox will fall for this again. There will always be doubt in the future thanks to Stupak and Kucinich. Always.

      • The_Gadfly

        Fictional character talking about a victory instead of a defeat, but the last line is one of the truest ever spoken.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzpzELgcijU

  • miconservative

    Dan you were awesome. I think you were right on with the count and the Stupak doublecross put it over the top. I keep hearing that a strong candidate will emerge very soon. Conservative legislator who will take Stupak out. Everyone needs to get ready to help this guy as soon as its public. Give him the Joe Wilson, Scott Brown, Marco Rubio treatment.

    • Dan Perrin

      and I am waiting with baited breath for the candidate we can money bomb to defeat Stupak

      • tngal

        Last night the guy was an unknown w/out a wesbite. Just facebook and a 1000 friends. 5 minutes ago he was over 13,500 friends and has money to build a site.

        But is WI-1 winable? Is it a hard or soft dem district? Cooks just has it as blue.

        Can we bank on him now?

        There’s another challenger, but an RP supporter.

        • eburke

          union but heavily Catholic and pro-life. Thus his need to keep the fig leaf.

          He’s my #1 target but I will not forget about the rest of his block plus the “Blue Dog’s” who voted ‘no’ the first time but ‘yes’ this time.

          Diary outlining all this is swimming around in my fertile brain as we speak.

          • Scope

            Dr. Dan Benishek?

          • eburke

            so he’s not up to speed yet, especially not for the avalanche of calls I’m sure he’s receiving. His website is certainly in need of updating, including get online donation capability, but something tells me he’s got no shortage of folks available to help him out.

            Basically, he was a ‘I’ll run because no one else will’ candidate ’cause Stupak was considered a ‘safe’ Dem seat.

            As far as the issues, Dr. Dan is right down the line a conservative so he’ll absolutely be worth supporting if/when he can get himself situated for the type of race for which I’m sure he *never* anticipated when he got in. Hopefully that’ll be in the next 24-48 hours so he can capitalize on a whole bunch of PO’d people.

          • JSobieski

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan’s_1st_congressional_district

      • Scope

        for all that you have done to keep us up to date with the shenanigans. As you said, Stupak is a liar, and, no one could have known that he would sell his soul to the devil.

        I had posted, earlier today about Dr. Dan Benishek, a Republican running against Stupak. He just announced on March 15, 2010. His website is in the process. You can donate to him through paypal. Please read my post about him on this morning’s roundup diary from Erick. He needs a major money bomb, and our support.

        Please, if there is anyone here from Michigan that knows anything more about this guy, please do a diary on him.

  • tngal

    Cook Political has has district as a blue. But hard blue with no chance, or blue dog demo? Anyone in WI 1 got details of your district? If Benishek is the one to get stupak out, can we get an interview with this guy. ? Stupak helped cause this mess he should see how we “slaughter”.

    • miconservative

      nobody knows anything about this guy. There is going to be another candidate emerge quickly who is a proven conservative and strong vote getter.

      • tngal

        from the GOP. But the reason know one knows about him is because he has never run before. For anything from what I see. Heck the GOP is lining up people here to run for office that have never run before.

        I’m not saying he’s the one. I’m asking. Do we take embrace his momentum, scrub his background and see if he’s candidate worthy.

      • Scope

        and behind Crist by 30 points. I actually now prefer unknowns that have not been politicians before. They have not been corrupted. I’m sure if Dr. Dan has skeletons, they will quickly come to light. I resent people who throw potential strong candidates under the bus because “nobody knows anything about them.” I much prefer candidates who have strong principals, and can prove that by their reputation in their communities. Please don’t trash this man that you yourself say you know nothing about.

        • tngal

          “Please don?t trash this man that you yourself say you know nothing about.”

          What in the ___ did I say to trash? I updated his facebook hits several times here last night so all could see. This morning too. I’m championing him. I’ve just asked people from his district to tell us more about him. We know his info from facebook. And suggested he needs to be vetted early. Find out his affiliations and friends. (the other candidate has a picture up with RP, so we know where they’re coming from)

          I said there’s momentum for this guy. I say use it but, if we follow that momentum by sending cash, etc.lets scrub the background now while its early. This way we don’t have to rely on the GOP’s fav pick.

          BTW- I have 3 candidates I’m supporting w/no political background. . So that doesn’t square with your anger at me either.

          I dig long, hard and deep on someone before I support. There’s nothing wrong with it and it certainly isn’t “trashing” . its called being informed.

          • Scope

            I even titled my reply starting with his/her name. I love your support for Dr. Dan. I haven’t seen anything to not like, so far.

          • tngal

            Trult am sorry. Saw it as a link to mine. I do hope he (Dr Dan) makes it. He seems to have his head on straight.

            Can you tell me anything about FL-19. A special election next month in florida. heavy democratic, but lynch might be able to pull it off if enough seniors are mad at obama care.

            I was thinking about making a run down there on some weekends since its only about four hours away. I could do door to door.

          • Scope

            FL-19. While anyone with a D after their name must be kicked to the curb, I agree with Dan P., Stupak must be on top of the list. I just started reading about Dr. Dan at 5 this morning. Apparently there are alot of others in his court, with his facebook friends now close to 15,000. Yes, for sure, he needs a very quick vetting. It could be his best friend that posted that he is the real deal, and, that he will surely stick to the Constitution. I want to see more of that.

            I’m also currently busy trying to unseat Tommy Perriello, VA-5. He also lied and said that he would not support federal funding for abortion. A couple busloads left here to meet with him at his Wash. office. When they arrived his staff closed the door, and he refused to speak with any of them. Shortly after they left, he announced that he would be a yes. He said that the Senate bill language on abortions satisfied him as to his pledge.

          • tngal

            Man, looks like nothing but fresh faces in congress within 3 years. Ah hhh, breathing clear air again. Refreshing.

          • tngal

            Remember the fb picture. Hugging his wife(?) like they were out camping or something. Today he’s in a suit coat on fb. And a flag on the lapel. This after I said he looked down home yesterday,because in his video where he announced candidacy he was in ” regular clothes”. He doesn’t look bad today. Looks almost Texan if he had a cowboy had on. Really looks like he wants to take on The Stupid One. Not sure anyone else is out to campaign against Stupak.

            facebook still at 17,000 + but hasn’t cracked 18k yet. I think initial exhuberance has waned. From here on out I think he’s going to have to earn the followers. He may be able to pull it off.

          • Scope

            looking for more info on Dr. Dan. He is almost at 18,000 on fb. His new picture is great. Yes, he looks like, come and get me Obama. On his website, he now has a direct link for credit card donations. Reading the comments on fb is very encouraging. One said that doctors and nurses are signing up on fb by the dozens. That should help with getting donations up. I noticed on Redhot, Moe has a message that Benishek has a real donation link now.

            If I find anything else, I’ll let you know. Please do the same.

          • Scope

            http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/22/meet-bart-stupaks-republican-challenger/

            You’ve got to read the comments. Benishek has some people very excited. Those from North Mich. are saying that suits will not cut it in that neck of the woods. Most are willing to give him some time to get up to speed.

            One of the commentors said- they hoped that the same mistake is not done here with Benishek, that was done with Doug Hoffman in NY. He wasn’t supported until it was too late.

            Another comment that I loved- Ask him if he surgically removed tonsils, or cut off feet for profit? If he answers No- Write him a check.

          • tngal

            Caught that this morning. But hey, he got some publicity. They really did make fun of him not having a staff and his wife having to answer phones because of media. I actually found it refreshing that he’s not a political hack. Oh well, maybe rnc will make sure he’s squeaky clean and throw him a few bucks.. Anything to get Stupak out.

            Plus working on 2 special elections which are looking better for republicans. One in Hawaii-01 and one in FL-19. They are the soonest. BOth were longshots before but healthcare has people really upset. Go figure. PLus there’s a heavy Jewish populace in the FL race. Obama going against Israel didn’t help there either.

          • Scope

            She said the amount of phone calls have been incredible. She really could use some help at this time. Anyone living in that area, that could help answer phones until they get set up? She hoped the website will be up tonight or tomorrow. Very very sweet down to earth lady. She appreciated the help with getting his name out there everywhere possible. I told her that I was very enthusiastic about Dr. Dan’s candidacy, and, she said after starting to feel overwhelmed as she was with all the phone calls, that made her day. She said she felt re-energized. I suggested that Dr. Dan post a diary on Redstate to introduce himself, and, to list his positions on the issues here. She said that the donations are coming in very well.

            Tomorrow Dr. Dan is going to be on FOX. First with Meghan Kelly in her segment. She wasn’t sure of the time. Then he is going to be on with Cavuto, via phone. Again, she wasn’t sure of the time.

            Are you ready for the best one- Meghan Kelly wanted him on her show today, but, he had to refuse because he had a prior committment in his district that he wouldn’t break, not even for FOX. So Kelly scheduled it for tomorrow. As much as he knows FOX will be a good thing for his campaign, he held true to his word. How often has anyone seen that?

    • rabidf16

      Noticed what Stupak is backwards?

      Kaputs.

      Make it happen Michigan!

      • tngal

        I keep writing WI stead of MI. ( My brotheri n law lives in Wisconsin, maybe that’s why I confuse them. He’s a lib too.)

    • JSobieski

      MI-1 is very pro-life, pro-gun, and pro-America.

      Lots of union types and retired union types, so free trade is probably the toughtest conservative position. Of course, all of Michigan seems to be higher on the protectionist scale than the country as a whole.

  • obladioblada

    their charade was pretty slick. Ole Bart thought he’d get to have it both ways, protect the statist monster and maintain his pro-life creds. His weasel maneuvers are creating all sorts of political backfiring.

    1. He made the taxpayer-funded abortions a very real and apparent issue. Now everyone knows that Obamacare forces taxpayers to fund abortions. Shortly, it will also become apparent that it offers no conscience protections for hospitals and health-care workers who refuse to perform them.

    2. He’s awakened and rallied pro-lifers. After years of defeats in the courts and legislatures, pro-life activism had died down. The nation has become more pro-life in the years and now we have targets.

    3. He made it apparent that there is no such thing as a pro-life Democrat. No one will ever trust the pro-life assurances of any Dem candidate again. Ever. (In the same way, the Myth of the Blue Dog has been exposed as well, but that was a large group effort.)

    True pro-lifers who have supported the Dems up til now have some serious soul-searching to do.

    4. He made himself and his alleged Stupak pro-life gang highly visible targets.

    5. He nationalized his own congressional race. Yesterday afternoon Dr. Dan Benishek was an unknown with 400 FaceBook members– he had no website and no means of accepting online contributions. In 18 hours he’s skyrocketed to close to 14,000 members and is the talk of the internet.

    Had Stupak and his Judases folded early there would have been an outcry, but it would never have matched this. Instead he held out hope, created drama, made himself and his cohort the center of attention at a critical time then very publicly sold out without even the semblance of a fig leaf. For this, he’s unleashed a massive outpouring of anger, not only from pro-lifers, but from every Obamacare opponent who dared to hope.

    Nicely played Bart, nicely played.

    • azaeroprof

      For all Nancy Pelosi’s cunning and gangster-style success at vote-getting, Stupak has presented an excellent example of political self-destruction. Wonder what skeleton in his closet Obamamanuel knew about to leverage his complete cave? Hmmmm….might be worth looking into.

      • Scope

        by a pro-abortion, pro Obamacare candidate, because of what he claimed his position was on pro-life. The machine was already after him, and, they were proving they were serious. The Dems thought they were going to get rid of him. They can save their money, because the people will serve him a pink slip, and make sure his reputation stays destroyed.

        He didn’t get nothing. He got 3/4 of a million bucks for 3 airports in his district.

        • cari

          is a house representative that voted no but still needs to go. He was “allowed” to vote no because he represents a conservative district. He had 5 Repub. challengers March 2, two of which are in a run off on April 13.

          • obladioblada

            And who are the Reps in the run-off? Would love to contribute to Edwards’ demise.

            All Dems who voted no should be assumed to have placed camouflage votes with Nancy’s special dispensation. It’s apparent that pro-life and Blue Dog Dems are a thing of myth.

          • texasgalt

            Please support one of these two candidates so we can kick Edwards to the curb.

            http://www.redstate.com/texasgalt/2010/03/04/tx-cd-17-adios-to-a-blue-dog/

          • JSobieski

            And even those three should be invited to compete in the Republican primary process for face anihilation

  • davidabippus

    I would like to join in with others and say ‘thank you’, Dan. I appreciate all of your efforts and all of your reporting throughout the debacle. You did a wonderful job and kept us all informed and aware of what was transpiring. As a Texan, I look at yesterday as the Alamo and the Battle of San Jacinto has yet to be fought. We will prevail!

    Thanks again, Dan.

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    should never been trusted. Any conservative voting for these people deserve what they get.

    And Stupak was honest…he was ALWAYS going to vote for this thing, if he got cover on abortion. People in his district should have known better.

    http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=10474

    • The_Gadfly
  • wolfster38

    Stupak = The nations number one baby killer

    Bart, you will never win another election.

    • azaeroprof

      I watched the video of the person yell “baby killer” at Stupak. Yes, you hear one person very loudly, but it really sounds like there were a dozen or two other people yelling it not quite as loudly.

    • The_Gadfly

      “Ambassador Mollari, it was a prediction you wanted. Here it is. I hear billions of voices crying your name,” said the technomage.

      “My admirers?” asked Mollari.

      “Your victims,” he answered.

  • caboose

    Thing as a “Moderate Democrat.” or for that matter, a Prolife Democrat. Stupak did exactly what conservatives predicted he would do and that was to lie and connive to his constitutents, and then fine some lame excuse to sell out. This low life hypocrite must be voted out of office, along with his socialist democrats including old tired a$$, Rep. Dale Kildee. Don’t lose hope no matter that the socialist and baby killers has won the first battle. The war has just begun. Renowned Attorney, Jay Sekulow, appeared on FOX and was ask if a court challenge “Had Legs,” Jay replyed and predicted, that not only does it have legs, but that the Supreme Court will rule the bill unconstitutional. Article lll, Section 2, Clause 2, states in part: “In all cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be a Party, the supreme Court shall have Orginal Jurisdiction.” This means that the States can go directly to the Supreme Court with their case and and not be burdened with going to the inferior Federal Courts with their leftist liberal BO Judges.

  • chbroussard

    for all the hard work you did keeping us informed and up-to-date on this issue. This was no small feat in the face of the minute-to-minute updates required as more and more bribes were exposed. And I firmly believe that more and more of these bribes will be exposed in the near future.

    I agree that by dragging this thing out we learned a lot about the Democrats. Bribes, backroom deals, and my favorite, Mr. Clyburn saying they were just making up the rules as they went along.

    While we would like to think that our elected officials are honorable and ethical, we have seen that the Democrats actually have the morals of a bunch of alley cats.

    So to Mr. Stupak I say…..”Here kitty kitty. I have something special waiting for you in November.”

    • eburke

      and removed from the bench Judge.

      Class guy, eh?

      • chbroussard

        I got my liars mixed up.

        • eburke
  • charpaddy

    The blood of the aborted babies paid for by our tax dollars is on stupid stupak’s hands…when he sleeps at night I hope he is haunted by dreams of the babies he PROFESSED to protect, but instead, sold out for a worthless piece of paper from the Liar in Chief.

    Stupid stupak is TOAST. He will never be re-elected in our lifetimes. Hope it was worth it for your pieces of silver.

    Healthcare is NOT a right. Socialism sucks.

  • Mortimus_Squid

    I’m sure Stupak’s chief of staff would appreciate hearing from you.

    scott.schloegel@mail.house.gov

    • joayn

      At: stupak@mail.house.gov

      You can email any congressman using that address. Much easier than going through websites.

      • Mortimus_Squid

        … I kind of enjoy tormenting chiefs of staff, since they are marginally more likely to actually read my email than the congressman himself.

        But it’s nice to know there’s a way to at least theoretically reach the big guy.

        • weatherford

          Back when Senators exercised their own power and ran their own office, the top clerk was the Administrative Assistant. Chief of Staff? No wonder Senators are like puppies. They were Gorillas and each ran his own show.

          Anybody not in the armed forces who is styled Chief of Staff needs tormenting.
          Where did these posturing fops come from?

  • conservos

    this EO was meant for political cover.

    Stupak and any legislator with a heartbeat should know that EOs can be amended and recinded with a secondary EO and that this one essentially means nothing .. aside from law taking precedence over EOs.

    This is political cover for the folks at home who aren’t watching analysis or the blogosphere and get their news from word of mouth, maybe.

    Cover, cover, cover. Stupak and his stupid block know this. I disagree on the point that they traded their vote for a piece of paper. They know it’s worthless.

    Dan and everyone else watching, monitoring and reporting on Stupak and his block could not have done anything different, I think, and they deserve our praise and gratitude.

    Now we can simply consider all Dems are liars, even the “pro-life” ones who claim to be” principled.”

    It’s a very simple lesson we’ve learned: never, ever, EVER trust a dem.

    I’m very angry.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dan, for everything.

    They’re the bad guys and you did not fail us, in ANY measure.

    Thanks, Redstate.

  • dio55

    not just 220 . remember scot brown was a 35 point underdog, that puts even pelosi in the crosshairs and now that mc cain finegold is dead here’s an idea why not incorporate REDSTATE as a limited liability company so they can raise and spend as much as they like to run ads in every single district and state.. MONEYBOMB anyone?

    • Return to Revolution

      and it should be understood that in reality there was not a single Democrat NO vote – they were merely permitted by Pelosi and not a one was truly against the bill.

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  • TxCon

    switch parties in Idaho?

  • Hugh_Taylor

    Dan
    Will the next double croos be that the reconciliation bill will die on the vine?
    Thanks for your hard work in a tough fight. It’s not over either. It will never be over. You give us courage to continue.

  • skat

    A great idea from the “hillbuzz” guys!

    Our idea, initially, was to coin ?stupak? as either a noun or a verb to describe an act of betrayal, Benedict Arnold style.

    But, on reflection, we think ?stupak? should become a euphemism for ?abortion?.

    ?Stupak Clinics?.

    ?Teen pregnancies ending in stupaks?.

    ?Stupaks being performed on millions of the unborn?.

    If the conservative/moderate/independent community started using ?stupak? to replace the word ?abortion?, it would catch on. At least to the degree ?santorum? did.

    Every day should be a reminder to Bart Stupak what he did, and the principles he betrayed. Whenever he looks his name up on Bing ? and we have a feeling he?s the type who Bings himself every day, to see how popular he is and admire goofy pictures of himself looking as ugly as he does, because, wow, is that guy ever ugly ? he needs to see clearly how his name will forever be associated with what the Democrats did yesterday, in moving to federally fund abortions.

    • chipbennett

      A late-term stupak of his political career?

      • skat

        chipbennett, I wish I’d thought of that !

        • chipbennett

          Well, it’s only fitting, isn’t it? He and all of his now-exposed “pro-life” double-crossers are, effectively, aborting their political careers.

          And they’re doing it mere months before the end of their term of office.

          I think the term fits for any Democrat who runs as a “moderate”, or “pro-life”, or “fiscally conservative” (“blue dog”), and then proceeds to vote the extreme-liberal party line, as yet another Pelosi lap dog.

          All such Democrats effectively stupak themselves, especially in an environment of an extremely motivated and informed electorate.

  • redneck_hippie
    • tritonspolartiger

      Standing w/you, Dan.

      We must keep our wits.

      Triton

  • audax

    Looking forward to what comes next in Senate. It is going back to Senate right?Can this somehow die there or is it the law of the land after O signs it?

    • cari

      nt

      • erod

        and it sucks major, well you know. But, I have been hearing this line over and over again, “We can’t repeal ObamaCare that’s impossible.” If there’s anyone that can rally the troops and tell us why that is BS it’s the great Dan Perrin. If I were Dan I would write an article on why we will be able to repeal this thing, it would most certainly lift our spirits.

  • Flagstaff

    He was a Democrat before Sunday.

    From now on, the word for a dissembling, sneaky, snake-in-the-grass should be a “Stupak.”

    Congratulations to the Susan B. Anthony Fund for dismissing him.

  • erod

    What’s the next course of action now? Do you believe that this will be the law of the land or do you believe we can work hard to repeal it?

  • http://www.sheetanchor.org Sheet Anchor

    throughout the entire process, Dan. Thank you for your very hard work. Only God knows the hearts of men, and you could only base your assessment on his (Stupak’s) recent words and actions.

  • tngal

    Well, its been buggin dems all morning. Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas) admitted he was the one who shouted “baby killer” at Stupak.

    Today he apologized .

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88331-neugebauer-admits-baby-killer-exclamation

    • Menlo

      Apologizing was not right. They all should have been and continue to be called baby killers!

      • tngal

        I don’t see it as a slur or attack or any of that. Just a statement of his belief. Much like WIlson with you lie. Boy these dems really get touchy when you hit them with the truth.

        • texasgalt

          from west Texas, CD-19 (Abilene, Big Spring, Lubbock). He replaced the blue dog Charlie Stenholm, a task many thought was not likely. He is a solid conservative.

          He may be feeling a little low about this right now but he will be around when the Republicans reclaim the prime offices.

          http://randy.house.gov/

  • chabsentia

    I have told people since last year that this was a done deal.The Democrats have been the majority party since January 20 2007 when they had 230 members in the House and a majority in the Senate. Many of the voters bought the “last eight years” nonsense in 2008 because amny are gullible , mis-informed and un-informed. They now have 253 members. They had had at least 216 all along and the only question was which ones of the other thirty seven in vulnerable districts would be allowed to vote “NO”.

    I saw an interview with Stupak at 1pm today. He seemed visibly nervous in comparison to his earlier appearances. Stupak admitted that the executive order could be repealed anytime. Stupak was asked why he caved and stated that his coaliation had fallen apart. The interviewer than mentioned that there were still four of them and that four could have stopped it. Stupak then answered that he made the best deal possible and the Bill needed to be passed. The interviewer then read a statement by a Pro choice group that thanked Stupak for his vote and said that left a loophole for them. So what did Stupak get for his vote?

    This was not a Health care Bill. It is an Insurance reform Bill. Look at the Stock market today. All the Health Care stocks are up.They wouldbe down if the News was adverse. The AARP is a big sponsor of thsi Bill. They are all salivating over the thirty two miilion new prospects for their Health Care divisions.

  • chabsentia

    I have seen several Constitutional Professors on T.V. and most of them say a Constitutional challenge by the States is slim and none becaause historically the U.S. Supreme court is hesitant to interfere with an Equal Branch of Government and could refuse to hear it.Even if they do ti could be three or four years.

    • weatherford

      with another branch of the Federal Goverment and declaring an existing law unconstitution. Why do we have a constitutional amendment to authorize a federal income tax. Answer because the first income tax attempt was blasted out of exiestence by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.

      There is a large repository of dead law to which the Supreme Court applied this rubric “unconstitutional, hence void.”

      It is not a political question once there is a statute in fact rather than in the making. Also included are joint resolutions under the Budget Act. Once the president signs, they too must meet constitutional standards.

      The three year estimate is absurd. How long did it take for the Court to hear Bush v. Gore? About two weeks.

    • Menlo

      For starters, the Supreme Court is hesitant to interfere with anything. It’s little more than a figurehead institution that has deny certed itself out of relevance. People would do well to pretend the court no longer existed.

      Second, courts don’t interfere with an “equal branch” of government only if it goes against the judges’ preferred outcome, having formed the very bases of the platforms for today’s two political parties. Now they all tend to just favor the Democrats because Democrats are the only people who appear to take their arguments seriously.

      Third, I’d say it’s the job of any executive to refuse to allow enforcement of any statute that is unconstitutional. Obviously, that’s not happening under Obama. However, it is not a distinct or defining duty of a court to determine if a statute is unconstitutional. If it is not constitutional, it is not law; and it should not be treated as such by anyone who took an oath to it.

      Fourth, a challenge to this bill will be laughed out of court by anyone who has managed to be taken seriously enough by the “law” establishment to get on a federal court. No judge will give it the time of day.

  • caboose

    stupak@mail.house.gov If you want to get through, Be sure to use one of the ZIP Codes listed below as your ZIP Code. You can use your own City and State if an address is needed or any address you can think of in one of the cities listed below. Stupak represents these Citys as follows:

    Alpena, Zip 49707 Escanaba Zip 49829
    Houghton, Zip 49931 Sault Saint Marie Zip 49783
    Marquette Zip 49855
    Petoskey Zip 49770 If needed the last four Any four numbers
    Ishpeming Zip 49849 Think of ie; 0123 Do It!!!!
    Iron Mountain Zip 49801
    Ironwood Zip 49938

  • hillcountryx3

    bribe or something. I never saw it coming, thought he was really against abortion…well he did sell for 726,409 fetus….
    God Help Him

  • rbdwiggins

    play in convincing Stupak to accept President Obama’s secretive EO deal?

    This whole deal smells of thuggery…

  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    I appreciate all your time and effort into this most worthy cause. It is not wasted. We will build on it and win next time. Thank you also for patiently responding to our questions (and pages). : )

  • richardcarlson

    Tom Stillings is the viable candidate vs Stupak, visit www.stillingsforcongress.com and on facebook “stillings for congress” , add as a friend and share.

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      Yet. I don’t have a particular dog in the MI-01 fight, but I’d appreciate it a lot more if your campaign’s contribution to RS did not end up solely consisting of manually entered spam links to your website.

      Seriously. It’s OK to be openly associated with a campaign here. It’s OK to people to get accounts and cross-post their blog entries here, as long as they reprint in full and give a link back to the original post. It’s OK to put a link in your .sig file back to your website. We want to hear from campaigns. We want to give them a forum. This is an activist site, after all.

      Good luck with your guy.