We got the results I feared. I was hoping for a different result, but in the end the pollsters were again correct and it was a 5 point win for Obama, with a devastating down ballot result. When you end the night being glad that Ted Stevens might eek out a victory, that is a bad sign.
So here are some things that I think we now know for the future. If we want to get this country back on the right track, we better learn these and act on them:
1) People are not afraid of Socialism, it is an acceptable political outcome. I’m going to be thinking a long time on why this is, but I think that it is a combination of lack of education within the electorate, a generation has passed since Carter, and the illusionary success of European socialism in our globalized economy.
2) Bi-partisanship is a waste of time. You can’t make nice with the political enemy and expect them to play fair or support you in any meaningful way. The PUMAs were interesting to listen to, but they weren’t a political factor. The fact that McCain and Hillary are friends means nothing, and just serves to cheapen our positions. By the same token, mavericks should be marginalized, not given our nomination.
3) Image, charisma, and articulation matters. If our candidate doesn’t make the people who watch Access Hollywood say, “Hey! He/She is really hip and cool!”, then we are toast. This goes for ALL of our leaders, not just our presidential candidate. We need people who can articulate our positions in terms that the voters can understand and resonate with. It took an Ohio plumber to put in simple words what was wrong with Obama’s tax plan, and it came too late. At the end of the day, none of our candidates really stood a chance with this dynamic.
4) You have to fight everyday if you want to win. When the opposition makes a mistake, you have to publicize it everyday and never ever let them walk away from it. When the Dems blocked reform of Fannie/Freddie, we should have been pounding home the message that the Dems were heading us toward a disaster. In the future, we have to loudly disagree with their socialist agenda, and when they inevitably fail, loudly condemn them for their failures. Their social safety net should be daily criticized for the failure that it is.
5) Social conservatism does not trump financial conservatism. As much as it pains me to say this, abortion is not an issue that the majority of the electorate cares about, and frankly we have now lost on Roe v. Wade. The courts are lost for a generation, and there will be no turning back the clock. Social conservatism works for ballot initiatives, like Amendment 2 in Florida and Prop 8 in California. But the best we can hope for is state initiatives to enhance right to life issues on the edges. This was probably our biggest loss yesterday, and it is probably permanent.
6) The education system and the media are devastating losses for us. With no mechanism to publicize our positions fairly, the new voters are being taught lies as truths, and we lose the propaganda war. If we can’t find a way to get around this problem, we will be a political minority for a very very long time. The reinstitution of the fairness doctrine must be defeated, or we will lose even that small voice.
7) Trying to fight fair, when the opposition refuses to do so, is foolish. Campaign finance reform is a crock, and using public financing is moronic. Until real reform occurs to stop voter fraud, we can’t be left defenseless. In the meantime, we can either fight in the gutter, or we can lose.
Similar to the social conservatism, 2nd amendment rights is not a political winner. Not enough of the voters really give a damn.
So what do I think can work in the future for us?
1) A reform agenda – Palin has set the right “outside Washington” tone to benefit from the inevitable mistakes that the Dems are going to make now that they fully control all branches of government. Our congressional members need to enforce party discipline and eschew fiscal stupidity like earmarks. Then people from outside DC need to run on permanently changing the culture.
2) Fiscal education – Strong leadership in teaching the voters the truth about tax policies. We don’t have to get into what the money in the treasury is going to be used FOR, as long as we teach them why lower taxes result in increased revenues. If they think giving it to the UN is the best thing to do with it, then fine. But getting people to understand what is needed for a sound economy is critical.
3) Media – We need to destroy the current media. They must be punished for their abdication of their duties within a free society. Establish alternative sources to reach the voters with our message. Financially ruin the mouthpieces of the Democrats. Buy the New York Times and fire their editorial board, replacing it with one leaning right.
4) Grassroots – Establish a permanent and effective local political apparatus that can mutually support between states and districts. Share best practices, and provide technical and financial support between organizations.
5) Win the hearts and minds – Low level voter education to target the youth and independents to teach them the core principles. Work outside of the liberal school indoctrination, or better yet, force the schools to give us equal time. We have to get past ceding political education to the NEA. We need to stop mind numbed robot Democrats from just showing up at the polls and blindly pulling the lever for the D.
6) National level branding – Now is the time to begin an advertising campaign to dispel the myths about Republicans. We aren’t racists, we aren’t homophobes, we aren’t war mongers. We need to change our public image, and that has to be done through a public relations effort. Pick a few core messages, and put them out in opposition to the socialism that Obama will be trying to push through.
7) Leadership – Finally, we need leadership, probably as the head of the RNC. Congressional leaders are fine, but a strong RNC chairman that focuses on the Republican brand is critical for success.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
Caleb Howe
Daniel Horowitz
Well...
zroxx (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:06AM EDT (link)1) People are not afraid of Socialism, it is an acceptable political outcome.
While there may be an education issue here – I never heard any (R) really explain what socialism is or why they think it is undesirable, the word was merely used as a generic derogatory – the problem here is that (R)’s, by their own actions, have failed to differentiate themselves from socialists. So when they go on the offensive against, for example, earmarks and subsidies as unjust redistribution of taxpayer funds and then turn around and do the exact same thing, citizens not surprisingly question their sincerity.
When Obama says “spread the wealth”, and citizens look back at “compassionate” conservatism’s government run Faith-Based Initiatives program, they wonder what the hell the difference is other than who’s on the receiving end of the wealth.
3) Image, charisma, and articulation matters. If our candidate doesn’t make the people who watch Access Hollywood say, “Hey! He/She is really hip and cool!”, then we are toast.
I have my doubts about this. 43 stands as a two time presidential winner in defiance of this point, but you might argue that his opponents were even less charismatic, albeit more articulate. Being able to maintain an attention span long enough to interject a principle or philosophy and explain why it is superior to your opponent is indeed important, but that can be accomplished without a great image, IMO.
4) You have to fight everyday if you want to win.
But more importantly you have to actually govern the way you claim you will when making speeches and campaigning. The fight you speak of really wont matter if the basic day-to-day governance and the actual walk don’t match the talk. I can’t count all the lost opportunities (R)’s in power had to govern well and differentiate themselves, but then completely blew because they’d rather pork out or pander.
5) Social conservatism does not trump financial conservatism. As much as it pains me to say this, abortion is not an issue that the majority of the electorate cares about, and frankly we have now lost on Roe v. Wade.
This is probably a minority opinion on this site: IMO financial conservatism has a place in government, but when speaking of “social conservatism”, (R)’s really have got to start differentiating between those issues with a legitimate government interest – for example, those that impact justice – from those that are just social engineering without any real implication for justice. The former certainly could include abortion and seem to me to be very legitimate areas in which to make a case for government involvement. But the latter (for example, gambling) need to be removed from the government’s responsibility and those persons passionate about those issues should work to persuade their fellow citizens to modify their behavior without attempting to leverage the force and threat of government authority and punishment.
6) The education system and the media are devastating losses for us. With no mechanism to publicize our positions fairly, the new voters are being taught lies as truths, and we lose the propaganda war.
Still a red herring IMO. Rush Limbaugh regularly boasts of having a larger audience than the network news stations combined. He certainly has a larger audience than all newspaper subscribers combined. If anyone qualifies as “mainstream media”, it is Limbaugh. Add in the rest of (R)/conservative talk radio and there’s plenty of outreach.
7) Trying to fight fair, when the opposition refuses to do so, is foolish. Campaign finance reform is a crock, and using public financing is moronic.
Agreed. Obama reached out to people he thought would support him financially and he reaped the benefit. No clue why a (R) would opt for public financing rather than take their message to the people who are apt to listen and ask for financial support as well.
So what do I think can work in the future for us?
I don’t have any issue with your points but I will say it seems pretty simple to me:
Govern the way you say you will govern and consistently apply those principles – like individual liberty and responsibility, limited and smaller government – that you claim to hold dear.
Dave,
pwest (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:07AM EDT (link)well thought out blog. I too share your concern about our culture. The abortion issue, I can’t understand why people don’t care, but it is clear that people vote pocket book every time.
I wrote on another blog that we need revival: spiritual, cultural, polictical and economic revival. In my heart, that is why I think Obama won. He came along when the people were down and wanted to be led. Since our side had no one to fill that void, he did and he won.
We had better find our Conservative voice and A Consevative voice soon!
Pam
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Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:14AM EDT (link)Excellent analysis. Spot on.
Media bias proof:
They are falling all over themselves, giddy, gloating over their “victory”. They are sighing in relief that their efforts won. Every story is about RACE, what did we just abolish slavery? Not one story about Obama’s ability or qualifications. This was an affirmative action candidate from day 1.
The media will now be doing many negative stories on the state of America to knock down expectations for Obama. It will be a new blame Bush witch hunt until inauguration day, then magically there will be positive news coming out after Obama is sworn in.
Republican branding makeover: YES
Why the heck is our message “take your bad tasting medicine because its good for you.” Exemplified by McCain saying “Yes, we need to take some programs away from you.” Huh? How about, “We need to make bloated government more efficient.” We need to show how conservatism is a POSITIVE. First to all our RINOs, then to the rest of America.
EDUCATION: Where do we even start?
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Pam, the abortion point hurts the most for me
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:22AM EDT (link)I just don’t see how we can ever win on it. I know several strongly pro-life people that voted for Obama. And frankly, I think the point is now moot. The new judiciary will ensure it remains “settled law” and can’t be legally challenged.
We can only hope that the proponents of infanticide earn their punishment in the next life.
The best thing we can do in the future is to stop talking about the issue with our candidates. Knocking someone like Guilinni out of the race on an issue that he can’t affect one way or another is dumb.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
The way you win on it is...
Bill S (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 7:18PM EDT (link)…to chip away, not try to pass some well-meaning but total waste of time Constitutional amendment. You elect officials who won’t sign executive orders allowing funding to the UN that goes to “family planning” or to allow the US Gov’t to pay for abortions for military members or whatever. You prevent the creep and gradually build a pro-life sentiment. This is what GWB was doing for the past 8 years. The attitude about abortion took a significant about-face over the last decade. No, the American people are not interested in reversing Roe; they don’t have the stomach for that fight. But a pro-life candidate who is quietly pro-life is precisely what we need.
We don’t have to cede social conservatism. We just have to sell it gently, and that’s exactly how it was sold in the 2008 election. McCain was just the wrong guy overall. But the way he handled social issues was not too shabby. Huckabee, on the other hand, is far too in-your-face about it. He may be correct, but that ain’t the way to sell it to a mixed bag population.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
5) But we must faithfully adhere to financial
Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:31AM EDT (link)conservatism.
I’d be disappointed if a self-righteous SoCon panicked and forced his/her pregnant teenage daughter to have an abortion.
Similarly, with my limited knowledge of economics and finance, I was disappointed by the insistent support for the bailout from people like Steve Forbes.
If the FisCons can articulate the conservative principles behind a policy, I think the SoCons will have no problem following their lead.
The problem is the Leadership in Wash.
PaRep (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:48AM EDT (link)Has to go Boehner, McConnell & the like have to be Purged from our Party either in a Quiet way or a Godfather christening scene way!!!
Either way it has to happen or this party will take it in the shorts again in 2 & in 4 years Obama will win by an even bigger margin
Unfortunately I don’t hold out much hope that will happen
Recommended
mbauer (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:52AM EDT (link)I was contemplating writing something similar to this, but you’ve done far more justice than I could have.
Sadly, I have to reaffirm your first point. America is not afraid of Socialism. We have no mortal enemy any longer to point at and say look at all the flaws of society if we follow this path. When I talk to intelligent enough friends, they generally believe that we do need to redistribute wealth.
Now, I know that Jindal is a favorite in these parts (and for good reason) but your 2nd through 5th points just emphasize to no end he’d be a perfect candidate for national office.
A Fiscal Educator? Check
Awesomeness? (charisma and image) Check
A Steadfast Fighter? Check
That is the big problem, Uma
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:53AM EDT (link)Our FiCons treat is all as a “Black art” and just leave everyone to react to the results. They need to articulate the core conservative financial principles in a way that everyone can understand.
I was stunned to arguing with an Obama voter yesterday, when she told me “we need higher taxes”. The simple fact that lower taxes and a sound business tax code increases revenue to the Treasury is a completely foreign concept to most of the voters.
If I were running the RNC, that would be part of a national ad campaign starting TODAY. There is no reason to NOT advertise our brand all the time, instead of just before the election, after the Dems have already establish the rules for the game.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
I'd also like to add
mbauer (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:53AM EDT (link)Rasmussen is still an unbelievably accurate pollster. His state by state breakdown was 2nd to none. He’s held the race nationally at 52-46 for weeks. We need to accept that he is probably correct and not jump on every conspiracy theory that claims otherwise.
On Education
Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:57AM EDT (link)Just a thought, but in the 1920s through about 1965ish, Catholic schools were completely supported by church congregations and inexpensive nun labor and thus were tuition free and widely attended. I think this system contributed to the greatness of the “Great Generation.”
Once they started charging tuition, enrollment went down and our culture started into decline.
This is not a complete solution, but I think that church goers need to support their schools and subsidize tuition much as possible. I’d like to see other denominations start their own less pricey schools. Perhaps retired military and the coming generation of home schooling parents whose kids have left the nest can be a source of inexpensive faculty.
McConnell is fine
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 11:00AM EDT (link)He has only one job from now on, and that is blocking legislation like Card Check. He doesn’t need to be a spokesman for our party and our brand.
Someone else needs to become the conservative voice for our principles. Let the congressional leadership focus on the difficult job of trying to stop Obama’s agenda. Let the positive voice for what the correct agenda should be come from outside.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
NO Dave I really disagree
PaRep (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 11:07AM EDT (link)the People in Wash. get infected with the virus & there is NO known cure
And they aren’t going to stop anything
Susan Collins & Olympia Snowe ring a bell
McConnell has been different
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 11:18AM EDT (link)He isn’t vocal, but he has been running rings around Reid.
As for our Senators from Maine, those two are going to be in an interesting position now. How many fillibusters can they support and still get elected. We are going to need to establish the items that absolutely must not see the light of day and must be fought tooth and nail.
My list would be:
1) Card Check
2) Fairness Doctrine
3) Any changes to 401Ks
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Dave,
pwest (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 11:19AM EDT (link)I do believe Guilinni should be in the party and he campaigned hard for McCain, but he had many more problems than just abortion; there was all the marriage things.
I don’t want the Republicans to give up the pro-life plank in the platform. One party must stand for life. We have to do a better job of arguing why it is so important.
My mom is an example; she is pro-life and is a Christian, but she is 71 and is worried about retirement. She voted for Obama. I wish our internal, eternal beliefs would trump economics, but alas they do not always.
We have to strive to find a balance between the here and now and the eternal. It is the age old question and will always be while we remine here.
As Churchill said, we must never give up, never.
Pam
Quoted for truth
ZootSuit (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 11:20AM EDT (link)***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
I'm pretty sure
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 11:28AM EDT (link)That I was always deferential to Rasmussen. My only quibble was on his voter affiliation, but that turned out to be right. At the end of the day, we didn’t turn out our base, and didn’t excite enough Independents.
It was the stupid, Dem +14 polls that I was calling BS on.
We have a brand problem, something I wrote about in August based on a Rasmussen poll. But even though at the time, McCain was outperforming our brand, it wasn’t enough. And the brand identification is a measure of the strength of our base.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
You have to add blocking FOCA
Lammo (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 12:49PM EDT (link)If the so-called Freedom Of Choice Act passes there will be no possibility of “state initiatives to enhance right to life issues”.
None of this matters if you are never born, or can be taken out before it is really your time, and as far as I am concerned if you get it wrong on life issues you can’t get it right on anything else.
Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)
re: image, charisma, and articulation
ender79 Wednesday, November 5th at 1:16PM EDT (link)i would like to add a point. i think that design played a major, if not overlooked, role in this election.
as a designer and a conservative, it pains me to say it, but obama’s brand was slick. he tapped big time designers to create his propaganda pieces, logo, and website. his brand was well put together from the get go, while mccain’s seemed to evolve esthetically.
like it or not, we live in a very design-savvy world. people equate a brand’s promise to the quality of its look. style won over substance in this election, but substance combined with style is even more powerful.
our candidates need to look good on tv, the web, and in print. i know there are designers, producers, directors, etc. on our side that are just as talented as the dems’.
for my part, i realize that i need to do more and use my talents and skills to promote what i believe in. i hope other creatives do the same.
ps. i would like to say thank you to the redstate family. you guys are awesome. thank you for creating this community. i look forward to participating more.
Socialism Hypocrisy [Hi, guys!]
nephewmiltie (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 2:27PM EDT (link)[You slipped one of your guys by us: well done. I probably should have caught him on this, but hey: it's not like this is a paying gig. - Moe Lane]
1) People are not afraid of Socialism, it is an acceptable political outcome.
[Actually, now that I think about it: you guys have already linked this thing in full on your own blogs. You can waste the bandwidth, thanks. - ML]
well before you can be against socialism
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 2:41PM EDT (link)you have to at least voice some opposition to it. The Democrats don’t even do that.
I don’t know what to say about the rest of your post, I just know that as bad as the Republicans have been, (and they have been very bad) the Democrats are usually much worse.
I don’t think the Republican party should run on op-posing socialism, most Americans either see that as a code word for liberal, or really don’t know what it means.
Instead we need to seize a handfull of real, pragmatic issues that would benefit the nation and push those. We can also “educate” people at the same time, but as you say our actions should match our words.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
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JakePrime (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 3:30PM EDT (link)With you 100%, especially on
But more importantly you have to actually govern the way you claim you will when making speeches and campaigning. The fight you speak of really wont matter if the basic day-to-day governance and the actual walk don’t match the talk. I can’t count all the lost opportunities (R)’s in power had to govern well and differentiate themselves, but then completely blew because they’d rather pork out or pander.
5) Social conservatism does not trump financial conservatism. As much as it pains me to say this, abortion is not an issue that the majority of the electorate cares about, and frankly we have now lost on Roe v. Wade.
This is probably a minority opinion on this site: IMO financial conservatism has a place in government, but when speaking of “social conservatism”, (R)’s really have got to start differentiating between those issues with a legitimate government interest – for example, those that impact justice – from those that are just social engineering without any real implication for justice. The former certainly could include abortion and seem to me to be very legitimate areas in which to make a case for government involvement. But the latter (for example, gambling) need to be removed from the government’s responsibility and those persons passionate about those issues should work to persuade their fellow citizens to modify their behavior without attempting to leverage the force and threat of government authority and punishment.
Republicans talked a good game, but did not back it up. To the American public, Republicans have not been the conservative choice. They governed poorly and pandered left and right. Americans said, “Republicans spent away our surplus and got us in massive debt. How is that conservative?” The answer is, it’s not.
Your point about social conservatism I think is an important one. There’s not much I can add, except that I agree with you 100%. There are certain aspects of social conservatism in which government has a role and others that do not.
Meant to quote
JakePrime (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 3:35PM EDT (link)4) You have to fight everyday if you want to win.
But more importantly you have to actually govern the way you claim you will when making speeches and campaigning. The fight you speak of really wont matter if the basic day-to-day governance and the actual walk don’t match the talk. I can’t count all the lost opportunities (R)’s in power had to govern well and differentiate themselves, but then completely blew because they’d rather pork out or pander.
5) Social conservatism does not trump financial conservatism. As much as it pains me to say this, abortion is not an issue that the majority of the electorate cares about, and frankly we have now lost on Roe v. Wade.
This is probably a minority opinion on this site: IMO financial conservatism has a place in government, but when speaking of “social conservatism”, (R)’s really have got to start differentiating between those issues with a legitimate government interest – for example, those that impact justice – from those that are just social engineering without any real implication for justice. The former certainly could include abortion and seem to me to be very legitimate areas in which to make a case for government involvement. But the latter (for example, gambling) need to be removed from the government’s responsibility and those persons passionate about those issues should work to persuade their fellow citizens to modify their behavior without attempting to leverage the force and threat of government authority and punishment.
I disagree with two items:
Grim (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 3:54PM EDT (link)It took an Ohio plumber to put in simple words what was wrong with Obama’s tax plan, and it came too late. At the end of the day, none of our candidates really stood a chance with this dynamic.
Huckabee was better at the quick, simple explanation than Obama.
Similar to the social conservatism, 2nd amendment rights is not a political winner. Not enough of the voters really give a damn.
It doesn’t matter on the east coast, but 2nd amendment rights still matter here in the central red corridor. It is something that is still widely discussed during every election. For example, the heavy manufacturing shop where my equipment is built (rural Oklahoma) loses 10-15% of their staff during the first week of deer season. These are working-class guys that you would expect to vote Democrat for president but they don’t, partially due to this issue. Even the lone Democratic Representative from Oklahoma is openly pro-gun. He has to be or he’d get swept from office.
Grim
Agreed
JakePrime (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 3:55PM EDT (link)As for some of the other original points.
Second Amendment rights are important, but they just aren’t a major issue. People are more concerned about jobs, health care, etc. I still believe that Americans care about gun rights, just that they weigh other issues more heavily.
This is really key. Fiscal and economics knowledge is really lacking all across the country. We’ve seen how devastating this can be over the last few months.
Now I’m not for forcing equal time for anything, but the point remains. We need to get out there and win some hearts and minds. We need to articulate and explain the conservative position and its importance.
Personally, I see this as the most important issue that will either limit Republicans or allow us to grow. We need to get past these labels. No matter how good the ideas, if the public image continues to sag as it has, Republicans won’t win. Republicans can’t continue to be seen as a party of angry, old white men. Yes that’s just an image, but the image is killing us all over the place.
Recommended
drmonroe Wednesday, November 5th at 4:27PM EDT (link)Tried to post this a while ago for about 20 minutes but 500 state wouldn’t let me. Anyway let’s see if this works now.
Great analysis and I completely agree. Most of the people I speak with don’t even understand basic economics, and the envy toward the “rich” is absolutely astounding. Someone once said to me that if the Democrats would drop their support for abortion and gay marriage they would win every election. I think culturally we’re moving to the point where they don’t even have to do that. Whether Americans admit it or not there’s a good amount who want to know what their country can do for them, not what they can do for their country.
Add to this the blantly anti-American, anti-white teaching that we go through in public school (believe me, I’ve been there and college too) and the constant drum-beat of the media and you have a recipe for disaster. I hate to see my country and civilization go the way of Rome but the people who could’ve stood up for it (Bush and the Republican controlled Congress) didn’t try, or at least didn’t try hard enough. Indoctrination of the youth is a great way for the left to maintain a permanent hold on our country.
The problem is complete, total ignorance of
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 5:20PM EDT (link)The Democrats understand that they are in a war for the soul of this country. Republicans, at least our elected variety, haven’t figured it out.
No way to filibuster the fairness doctrine
Grim (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:25PM EDT (link)The FCC can implement it again if ordered to do so by Obama. Congress CAN mandate the fairness doctrine, but they don’t have to mandate it for the FCC to implement it.
Grim
Fairness Doctrine
Then the Obama administration, the FCC or
c17wife (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:40PM EDT (link)Congress would need to face a MASSIVE class action lawsuit on behalf of all of those that wish to have their voices heard. I, for one, would be willing to help fund that one. And I would be more than happy to stand by any others that cared to raise daily HOLY HELL over it. We CANNOT abide by Barack, or anyone else for that matter, to take away our constitutional rights. EVER!
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
well it is going to happen
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:44PM EDT (link)bank on it. But there is a ghost of a chance it would be struck down in the courts. I imagine that even big libs like Air America would be forced to half-heartedly oppose it.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
The main thing to remember...
ssshannon1026 (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:59PM EDT (link)…is that conservative principles work, and nothing else does. Free market capitalism works. A society that embraces Christian principles works. Nothing else does. Regardless of how long it takes for the majority to understand that, regardless of how much pain they will endure to admit they were wrong, we conservatives will eventually win even if we do nothing at all but wait.
If we choose not to wait, than we must stop the insane compulsion to endorse any aspect of the principles promoted by the collectivst left. They reject our principles entirely, and we must reject theirs entirely. They characterize our principles as radical, we must characterize theirs as radical, they demonize us, we must demonize them. We must be willing to fight fire with fire at every point of the debate, if they are against it, than we must be for it, unapologetically and with grime resolve.
Multiple Factors
Good_Captain Wednesday, November 5th at 7:16PM EDT (link)There are probably as many reasons for the R showing as their are voters but I believe, the single largest factor that changed the election’s trajectory was the credit debacle that erupted in September of this year. It was clear that most people attributed the mess and the fix for the mess on the Rs. Right or wrong, electorates often weary of a dominant party particularly when, the economy goes south as it did here.
The election result however has clearly exposed a festering problem that a McCain victory might have hid. There are an increasing number of states where the R party/brand is something other than positive. Contrary to some of the commenters, I do not believe it lies in core Republican principles. Instead, I believe R focus is singularly defaulted to a national focus. Consequently, as state attitudes/problems shift causing the loss of political momentum of the local R organization, all too often, the organization seems unable to effectively regenerate leaving behind a largely ineffective party in place.
This can be and must be changed. Every state or locality have issues that rankle much of the electorate. Many of these issues can be addressed successfully w/ understandable, right of center solutions. The R brand must be built form the ground up starting w/ solutions to local or state problems. Sponsoring successful solutions to local problems sow the seeds for new Rs locally. This is possible in blue areas if we are determined to make it work. Success in this endeavor in turn builds the junior ranks from which more senior positions can ultimately be filled.
Good Captain
It was a crushing disappointment...
johninca Wednesday, November 5th at 7:30PM EDT (link)…but no party wins all the time. The hardest thing for me was to see “pro-lifers” working for Obama. As a Catholic Christian I will pray for the man that he change his depraved policies about unborn human life– and the far left stuff too.
The issue this year was the economy, not abortion. In bad times it’s always the economy, when it should be abortion. Obama got out his message, and with the help of incredible media bias, managed to snooker enough people.
Solutions? Pray for your country, project a positive image, boycott the media, and with God’s help in 2010 the cavalry will come to the rescue.
Dittos!!!
JOforLiberty (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:10PM EDT (link)np
In the end, it was moderate republicans that put obama over the top
Used2bdemocrat Wednesday, November 5th at 10:34PM EDT (link)I believe that McCain got a substantial number of conservative democrat votes. In north east Florida, traditionally Republican country, (which typically is the main high population area of Florida that traditionally goes to the Republicans), and won Florida for them in 2000. Last night, the vote was split apprx 50/50, out of apprx 400,000 votes. Typically this area goes 60/40 or better. It was apparent that moderate republicans crossed over and voted for obama. In my own county in northeast Florida, we voted 72/28 for McCain. Their were many conservative democrats in my county who voted for McCain.
used2bdemocrat
Disagree
IJB Thursday, November 6th at 12:23AM EDT (link)Not only should the parochial schools charge tuition, all schools should charge tuition!
There’s only one answer the issue of the current educational system, the teachers unions, the school boards, all of it – it’s the total abolition of public education.
Unfortunately, that is an even more remote possibility than banning abortion.
There are just too many who benefit from “warehousing” their kids in public “schools” for free (and many of them genuinely don’t care what kind of education their kids get there, as long as those kids are out of their hair!).
I don’t see anyway around this, except for incentivising the creation of more private schools and parents sending children to private schools, and vouchers is likely not the way to do that.
That’s not much more likely to happen either.
When you look at this one issue, it does start to look like Kyle’s right, and it’s over.
There’s basically no hope.
Dave,
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 2:46AM EDT (link)Now that Obama won, let us continue gathering evidence of about his past.
I agree, we need to educate and rebuild our machinery:
… and so on.
These are the thing that Pres. Bush has neglected in 8 years. He became aloof to the people.
We should never look back and continue the fight.
Boycotting the media must continue until they learn "balanced reporting" again.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 2:49AM EDT (link)We must send them the message that they are the biggest losers in this election.
Good entry
Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 3:01AM EDT (link)On the SoCon issue:
1) We can/should always fight to protect the traditional social institutions of our society from efforts to marginalize them by the Left.
2) We should, without compromising our conviction on Pro-Life, be willing to articulate it in a way consistent with the principles of Federalism. To me, the best way to neuter the “pro-choice” rhetoric is to point out if they were really “pro-choice” they’d allow States to decide, period. Also we can/should fight the issue of federal tax dollars being used to fund abortion on demand.
3) One word of warning in writing off SoCon concerns… MANY of us…myself included, vote SoCon 1st. I will never pull the lever for a pro-abortion candidate. Life trumps all issues. Period. If I have to vote 3rd party to vote for a pro-life candidate, I will.
That said, many of these issues really ought to be state issues, not federal. And the internet poker issue was suicidal. Gambling is not a cut and dried moral issue, and I say that as someone Theologically trained. There’s no clear text against it. And driving the money off-shore gained from it didn’t help our economy either. If we regulate every addictive behavior because of “potential abuse” we pretty much have to lock every person by themselves into a cubicle for 24 hours a day and only allow them to eat or drink intravenous nutrition.
What kind of life was that? Not the one we were created for. That is certain. Wisdom is known by her children. And building positive moral character, and encouraging education that does this, trumps negative behavior modification at any level, any time.
“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager
Shawn, I have to disagree, unfortunately
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 10:07AM EDT (link)I am like you, I will not vote for someone who is not pro-life. However, you and I are not politically viable. The evidence from this election is overwhelming, given that Obama is the first pro-infanticide candidate ever, and his position was not an electoral consideration. Many, many pro-life people voted for him.
The simple fact is that Roe is now off the table, the left has won on this issue. It will not be changed in our lifetimes. Obama will make lifetime appointments of pro-life judges, and by the time anything can be done to change this, the concept of stare decisis will so firmly entrenched as to make changing it impossible.
That is the stark, bald reality. We lose, they win, game over.
It is time to jettison the abortion issue and quit talking about it as a political issue, since it only serves to drive voters away, who might otherwise resonate with the rest of our agenda. Falling on our swords over an issue we can never win is foolish.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Get Your kids out of the Public Education System
jyalai (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 11:37AM EDT (link)So many conservatives fight these indoctination centers at the ballot box, then send their most precious possessions to the same to be indoctrinated.
SoCons and FiCons must work together.
jyalai (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 11:52AM EDT (link)Unfortunately, many SoCons and FiCons do not understand the symbiotic relationship between their goals. Communist Socialism is the anti-thesis of both. Most traditional conservatives are both. They are not mutually exclusive.
In fact, neither can exist without the other. Conservative fiscal principles need the moral underpinning that comes with the principles of the social conservatives. Social conservative principles are best reached under a fiscally responsible and limited government. (Keep the government out of the family).
I don't think it's a lost issue
Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 11:53AM EDT (link)Eight years of Clinton didn’t lose it as an issue. Why would 4 years of Obama. And let’s not give the man a second term until he’s won it.
And I don’t buy that it’s a loser issue. It’s a 50-50 issue. It’s a base issue, yes. But you will kill far too many members of the base off dropping it to say you should. I will never, ever, pull the lever for a pro-abortion candidate. No matter how appealing on everything else. It’s not a loser of an issue as long as enough people think that. And just as many candidates win on pro-life as win the other way.
I think we should frame it in federalist terms, so that we do not can silence the “clothes-hanger” rubbish. But that doesn’t mean that it’s not a usable issue. Most of those who are with us on the right know it’s not something to stomp on.
The internet gambling and casino issues and such are absurd and REALLY needed to be put on the state dockets, not the federal.
But let’s not give Obama what he hasn’t earned yet…he’s won A term. Not two, Carter went down in 1 term due to Liberal overreach. And I think Obama shares with Carter his own sense of superiority that will prevent him from triangulating to the center like Clinton did. If I’m right, he’ll be exposed.
“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager
Myths sometimes are true
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 12:11PM EDT (link)Folks are afraid of socialism just in desparte times many chose what they thought was selfishly better for their family short term than for the country.
Fear and greed will always trump the right thing when the leader with the right idea is not srtong enough to prevail.
Maggie in Indiana
Practicing What You Preach
mchik1 Thursday, November 6th at 12:45PM EDT (link)U.S. voters have common sense. They realize that they better get somebody in office who will subsidize them, if many billions are being spent to subsidize the wealthy oligarchies. When they get past the “political footballs,” voters see that the only difference between the political parties is that the Republicans want to spend our taxes on corporate welfare, while the Democrats want to spend it on social welfare.
They are both big spenders.
After 8 years of an allegedly conservative controlled executive, and 6 years of an allegedly conservative Congress, we have not only doubled the national debt. But, we have increased our private debt. We are living high off about 15 trillion dollars of increased public and private debt. Somebody please tell me who is really fiscally conservative?
I think that the majority votes in their own self-interest, not for the abstract ideology. This fiscal conservatism which Republicans use to get votes, they don’t really practice.
Myths sometimes are true
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 1:21PM EDT (link)Folks are afraid of socialism just in desparte times many chose what they thought was selfishly better for their family short term than for the country.
Fear and greed will always trump the right thing when the leader with the right idea is not srtong enough to prevail.
Maggie in Indiana
PaRep!
From ME to You (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 3:59PM EDT (link)Susan Collins is a RINO but fortunately she was re-elected. Had Tom Allen, the former democratic 1st district representative, won it would have been a disaster!
Tom Allen makes Obama look conservative! Unfortunately, Another socicalist, Chellie Pingree, was elected to replace him in Washington. Ms. Pingree is the former President and CEO of “Common Cause” a non-partisan (ROTFL, yea…right…sure!)lobbying group in Washington!
Our problem in the 1st district is the large influx of Massachusetts liberals who have moved here to get away from the mess they created!
We have a name for them but I can’t write it here but I can give you instructions on how to construct it!
Take the 4 letter abbreviation of the name of the state of Massachusetts (First hint for liberals: the 1st four letters!) add to that the word that describes what you get when you remove quantities of dirt from multiple locations (2nd hint for liberals: the word is holes). Combine the two parts with the ‘M’ leading the way and … Voila! The nickname we have for Massachusetts residents who move here!
BTW they can’t drive worth a crap either! They think that the sign for Interstate 95 is really the speed limit!
Uma...
From ME to You (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 4:13PM EDT (link)The parochial schools had to start charging tuition because the number of nuns and ‘brothers’ (the male equivalents) was and is dwindling!
To keep the schools open they were forced to hire lay teachers and pay them substantially more than the nuns & brothers! Catholic Church numbers are decreasing and so the financial support for parochial schools is also tanking.
If school vouchers ever come into play and aren’t handcuffed to secular schools there might be hope, but I’m not holding my breath! There was a court case here in Maine a few years ago that would immediately become germane to the discussion
(Disclaimer: I am a graduate of K-8 parochial school and an inter-parochial High School)
I've grown impatient on school choice.
Uma Richie (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 4:41PM EDT (link)The Catholic grade school I attended closed a few years ago because of dwindling enrollment. My high school survived a round of diocesan cuts last year partly because a prescient alumnus started an endowment in the late 80s.
My husband commutes to DC from southern PA every day because we wanted a strong Catholic school for our children. We are in good shape, but worry about how the economy will affect the other families’ ability to pay tuition.
As you pointed out, vocations to the priesthood and religious life are a fraction of what they were in the past. We’ve got to find a way to reduce the faculty costs over the long term and increase parish support to the schools. My suggestion is to approach retired military (they come with their own health benefits) and former home school parents who may be able to afford a smaller paycheck.
I’m not holding my breath over school choice. I wish that many denominations would start affordable schools so that more parents would have an alternative to public schools.
About that school choice-
c17wife (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 5:10PM EDT (link)I taught in the Charleston County School district for 4 years before I had children. Poor litle black kids from the hood and little white kids from the trailer parks. Man, I loved those kids. And I gave them the best that I could for the time I had them. But, I woudl have NEVER sent my children to that school. You can imagine why.
My kids have done a combination of public and private. They are all three currently in DODDS here in Europe. What mediocrity. I counter point much idiocy that they hear. I leave them there for now because they are happy and doing well. And because up to this point, there hasn’t been anything so bad that a quick conversation couldn’t clear up. I’d pull them in a New York minute if I had to though. And I don’t bat an eyelash about taking them out to travel.
During our time in WA (that state that just re-elected that worthless Gregoire and passed a law saying it was okay to allow euthnasia of humans) my kids were in private Christian school. I literally worked at the school for one reason only. Well two. Mainly I worked to pay their tuition. And because I love teaching kids and inspiring them to be life long readers. If need be, I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
I always thought I’d go back to teaching in the public school system. I really did love it. Especially the poor little kids. I felt like I made a difference for them. Now, I’m not so sure that is the plac for me anymore. Time will tell.
But yeah, I could do with some school choice about now.
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
The problem lies...
From ME to You (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 5:15PM EDT (link)with NEA and teacher’s unions! They have set up the requirements and only by jumping through a seemingly endless array of hoops do you become ‘qualified’ to teach.
Note that a ‘teaching degree’ allows you to teach. There are few (if any besides the teaching degree) requirements about having expertise in the subject! This explains the high number of liberal arts degree teachers! Most liberal arts degrees don’t teach any job related skills so they take up teaching! (Like,pray tell, how many job openings are there for people with degrees in Medieval French Literature???)
Funny thing! My HS Biology/Chemistry teacher (same guy!) had a Master’s in both! (Got his BSc in Bio & Chem in 3 years and his MSc in both 3 yrs after that!) Most of my teachers actually had degrees in the subjects they were teaching. One of the few exceptions was my French teacher. I guess having attended French schools in Quebec Canada, having French as his first language and learning grammar there for 12 years might have qualified him! 8^)
We're considering going overseas
Uma Richie (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 5:52PM EDT (link)again next tour. I’ve already decided to home school if we do.
This is partially because right now we live in our planned retirement home, and I’d like to continue the curriculum from our current and hopefully future school. Second, I’d like to travel, just as you said. Third, true or not, DODDS horror stories scare me.
I admire you for teaching. I lack the ability and patience to mold children who are not my own.
Two Republican Parties
MattW Thursday, November 6th at 6:12PM EDT (link)My perception as an Independent is that there are two Republican parties. There is the fiscal conservatism brand, which I think of as a the Goldwater Republicans, and the social conservative/evangelically driven brand, which I associate with Bush.
As an Independent, I like fiscal conservatism. I’m not in favor of pure laissez-faire capitalism, per se, but the term “economic justice” makes my stomach turn, because I can’t find a legitimate way to arrive at how economics are subject to “fairness” based on first principles. Instead, there’s a disingenuous moral “you can’t let this happen” argument that with great prosperity comes some measure of obligation to see to the less fortunate. I think there’s a legitimacy to that argument, but it’s almost never made in that way, and then even if you agree, there’s a whole slew of problems with that assistances coming via the government.
Anyhow, my point is, I’m an amateur economist with a lot of interest, and I believe very low corporate taxes, very low capital gains are in our best interest. I’m okay with people with higher incomes paying a higher tax rate, although I think we should try very hard to avoid it being punitively high, and I think we need to recognize that there are often huge costs associated. Doctors spend so many years in school making nothing, their earnings are backloaded; why can they pay 20-40% more tax on the exact same income as someone else does, just because they make it in a shorter period of time?
I guess my point here is: I think my general fiscal outlook is absolute conservative, and I am one in my own life as well. I despise credit, I love to invest (both money and in myself)…
The social-conservative aspect of the current Republican party bothers me and has for some time. While I recognize that Islamic extremism is a grave threat to our peace and prosperity, I absolutely do not accept that Bush was legally in the right to circumvent the FISA court; he was violating the 4th Amendment. I don’t believe the Government has any business regulating marriage, to pick a cause evangelicals not only have been very active in, but have the popular support of Americans. It is a simple tyranny of the majority that purports to enforce which two adults can enter into a contract. If you want to decide what “marriage” is, do so within your church, not using the big gun of the government.
I don’t say this to offend anyone, but more to clarify that insofar as branding is an issue, there are very much Two Republican Parties right now, and Bush and the Republicans of the past 8 years have been absolute murder on the fiscal brand. Prescription drug benefit, deficit spending – I just can’t help but wonder, we finally got a Republican President and Congress, for over 5 years this decade – where was the fiscal conservatism?
So if I have to decide between my fundamental commitment to liberty, which is the way in which I am a “liberal”, and the fiscal issues, the Republican brand just has no real appeal. Insofar as almost any candidate is to some extent the lesser of two evils, I thought Obama would respect civil liberties much more, whereas I see McCain and Palin both capable of sweeping them under the rug – him in the name of duty to country (ordinarily important and great), and her in the name of “family values”.
I also feel like there is a certain unwillingness to compromise pragmatically on the right. An excellent example is on energy policy. I think given the incredible problems we have with Islamic extremists, the environmental problems which are occurring to some extent and may be anthropogenic, we should really be pursuing alternative energy. It may be less cost effective on a kilowatt-hour basis, but given how close it is economically, when you add in the ancillary benefits of domestic production, environmental benefits, the lessened financial strength of Middle Eastern powers, etc, it seems like a pretty big win. (To say nothing of the fact that removing a substantial amount of demand or adding a substantial increase in supply to the balance of global energy trade would lower the price of the fossil fuel we continue to consume.)
While I understand the arguments behind “drill, baby, drill”, I remain somewhat unconvinced that a mere commitment to production is capable of alleviating demand a great deal. If we’re talking about actual production, offshore drilling isn’t enough energy, or soon enough. If we’re talking about the psychology; well, insofar as my investing dollars would go, I’d wager on energy demand being drastically higher. I’m a big believer in free trade (especially when it is fair to us), and I think an obvious result is that worldwide energy demand will continue to explode. Countries like China and India that are bootstrapping off of global trade are going to start generating enormous domestic demand, and with it, will continue to see astronomical increases in energy demand. Imagine if the entire world used as much energy per capita as we do now? That’s just the start. While I can’t predict what they will be, I don’t particularly doubt we may see applications for energy domestically that are an order of magnitude higher than what we use now, so our own demand could grow severalfold over the coming century.
The way the pragmatism of “inflate your tires” was scoffed at, but “drill, baby, drill” was given credence was a turn-off. I like an “all of the above” approach, but I like one which can scale up. I’m thinking about global demand which is 1000% of what it is now.
Anyhow, that’s my take. Conservatism as a brand is never going away, but insofar as Republicans were the party of Goldwater, I feel like an outcast as of late.
Compulsory attendance laws are a form of socialism.
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 6:45PM EDT (link)How can republicans support public schools?
I don’t know where the “sympathy” to public school teachers and administrators comes from? They are paid large amounts of money and constantly fail at their jobs.
gambling
MattW Thursday, November 6th at 6:46PM EDT (link)Internet Gambling being state regulated is a nightmare; there’s a reason for the interstate commerce clause. Tracking the tax laws in 50+ jurisdictions is a pain, as would be tracking gambling reservations.
Even more absurd, an Alabama resident goes to a Nevada-owned website, say, and gambles. The state AG in Alabama issues a warrant for a Nevada CEO. I don’t even think that should be legal to prosecute, let alone extradite for.
To say nothing of the fact that trying to ban Internet gambling while permitting bets on horseracing and out-and-out promoting state lotteries is hypocritical at best.
Precisely
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 8:25PM EDT (link)Agreed completely. I think that an understated factor in Republicans being turned out of Congress in 2006 was the Internet gambling ban, where thousands and thousands of moderately affluent voters now had a very personal solid reason to hate the GOP, even if it wasn’t being primarily pushed by the GOP, since they were the majority party at the time.
PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.
Why?
itsonlywords (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 9:02PM EDT (link)Why, then, do you think all schools should charge tuition?
We need private education options that are as inexpensive as humanly possible. If that means that churches need to heavily subsidize their schools, then that’s what they should do. Unfortunately, it seems to me that many of the Protestant churches don’t “get it.”
CatholicVote.org was amazing this campaign season. I didn’t see anything comparable from, say, the Baptists.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Please!
itsonlywords (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 9:05PM EDT (link)Don’t remind me about Gregoire. I’m trying to forget.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Funny thoughts.....
shagster Thursday, November 6th at 9:12PM EDT (link)This site has the exact same tone as that of dailykos (except of course on the conservative side). Exact.
Definition of socialism:
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
In other words, thank you George Bush, you started this off by buying banks and what else in the future? I don’t see the democrats proposing socialism.
And by the way, redistributing wealth from the poor to the wealthy (which is what the Bushies really want and now have) is actually closer to fascism (state support of industry and vice versa).
If you are holding Sarah Palin out as the future of the republican party, you are doomed. She is a decent regional politician. That’s it.
You are absolutely, totally right that fiscal conservatism is the number one issue that should be respected. Clinton and Congress in the 1990s did. Bush and Congress in the last 8 years didn’t. Fiscal conservatism isn’t just holding down costs, and cutting wasteful programs, it is also paying your bills (and no off budget expenses just because you want to hide your graft programs). Sorry, that means raise enough taxes to balance the budget, not borrow from the Chinese. Thanks, GW.
Nice site you have here. Back to #1 above. You know, it is just as shrill in here.
Have a great day.
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another token liberal.
Simple
IJB Thursday, November 6th at 10:04PM EDT (link)Why, then, do you think all schools should charge tuition?
Because all colleges (even public ones, and JC’s) do.
We need private education options that are as inexpensive as humanly possible. If that means that churches need to heavily subsidize their schools, then that’s what they should do.
Colleges all accept applicants in a ‘need-blind’ fashion, and give scholarships and grants and loans and such (probably too much, but that’s an issue for another occasion…) to students who can’t afford to pay the full freight. Many private schools do as well.
That’s how it should be done.
I’m frankly leery of the idea of relying on the church for parochial school funding. Yeah, sure, they can/should help. But they shouldn’t be the primary funding source or subsidizer IMO.
Still confused
itsonlywords (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 10:15PM EDT (link)Are you speaking about college or K-12?
Anyway, not all colleges practice need-blind admissions. In addition, a huge chunk of the free money they offer comes from the Federal Govt. That has to stop. The availability of all this govt. money is one of the driving factors behind skyrocketing tuition rates. The colleges have had no incentive to keep costs low. Surely you’re not advocating govt. financing of K-12 private schools based on the university model?
As for my question about why all schools should charge tuition, I’m still looking for an answer. “Because all colleges do” is not an actual explanation of your thought process.
Also wondering why you’re leery of relying on churches for parocial school funding. Frankly, that makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, the point of parocial schools is that they’re affiliated with churches. If you don’t think churches should be the primary funder, who the heck should be?
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Uh, The Revenue from the Parents of The Students?
IJB Thursday, November 6th at 10:23PM EDT (link)I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree here.
Because I’m really not understanding your objections to what I’m saying.
And, for the record, no, I don’t approve of the federal (grant/loan) money that goes into the colleges, and no I would certainly not like to see that model replicated in K-12.
I can't agree to disagree.
itsonlywords (Diary) Thursday, November 6th at 11:25PM EDT (link)Because I still don’t understand your point. I don’t understand why you object to churches funding church schools and I don’t understand why you think it would be a bad idea for a private school to provide a free education if they could. I’m interested in understanding your thinking.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
I agree in part
Nobama (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 1:00AM EDT (link)First, I agree that our party needs to re-group around some fundamental principles.
In early 2006, the Dems looked like they were on their way to becoming a minor party. To me, at least. They had no majority in either House and they lacked the unity to filibuster Supreme Court nominees. Within 10 months, they got a nice tailwind out of three fake controversies: (1) Delay-gate (when exactly is Mr. Earle planning on bringing this case to trial?) (2) Rove-gate/Plamegate (I’m still waiting for the Dems to prove that Karl Rove did anything illegal or unethical. As for Scooter Libby, his only mistake was “outing” a non-covert CIA employee and then forgeting who his source was. Too bad he was tried before a jury of heavily biased Washingtonians); (3) Foley-gate (the lamest scandal ever. I admit that Mark Foley is as creepy as Barney Frank and Bill Clinton at their best but why would that make Republicans in Kansas stay away from the polls on election day? It certainly didn’t discourage Clinton supporters in 1998.); (4) Haggard-gate. (AKA “Guilt-by-association gate”; If having a closeted homosexual in your party is a “scandal” than how many Democratic “scandals” is the media ignoring? John Edwards’ love child? Juanita Bennett? Democrats only seem to get in trouble when a major elected official gets caught paying for sex or hires his completely unqualified, non-citizen boy-toy to be the head of the state’s homeland security department.)
We’ve got to get much, much better at muckraking. Modern technology makes this possible. Find a scandal. Get evidence. Broadcast with video footage if possible.
The Romney Revolution has already begun. Only Mitt Romney can bring sanity back to Washington.
No indoctrination for my kids.
c17wife (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 4:44AM EDT (link)Jesus calls us to be a light. That is why my kids are in the schools right now. At the point where their light is starting to dim, or they feel they want out, they are home with me.
The decision to keep them in public education is not a year by year decision for us. It is a day by day one and is subject to change at the moment we deem necessary. My kids know that and are on board with it.
Example, my 8th grader is in NJHS. They have been planning an inaugural ball for January, regardless of the winner. Now that Obama has won, she is refusing to participate. I’m so proud of her. In her teenage mind, this is her way of taking a stand. She told me she wasn’t going to celebrate someone that hasn’t earned her respect yet. Bam!
With that, I am of to cruise the Mediterranean with my three kids. On Wednesday we will stand in a theatre where the Apostle Paul spoke to the Ephesians. I can not wait!
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence
I am soooooo jealous!!!!
From ME to You (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 5:53AM EDT (link)Here’s a preview! The theater at Ephesus!

Paul probably did not speak there but I’m sure he was in the vicinity at one time or another!
Raise enough taxes? LOL
RedWhite_and_Truth (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 9:37AM EDT (link)Only shrill to head-in-sand liberals who do not want to look at issues critically. No nation ever taxed its way into prosperity. Parts of Europe are finally learning this lesson.
Another Clinton revisionist history lesson. Newt Gingrich and Congress balanced the budget, dragging Clinton along, because he did not want his legacy to be tarnished. He wanted to be able to co-op the issue, and take credit for it. That was his whole shameful presidency.
You balance the budget by NOT SPENDING.
I do agree, however, that Bush swerved into the ditch re: the buyout.
Correct! Stay on the throat of this sorry bunch
RedWhite_and_Truth (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 10:00AM EDT (link)We need to harp on the Obamanation’s gaffes, mistakes and policy disasters constantly. And do it in a Sarah Palin-upbeat way. Humor will surely infuriate a self-absorbed pompous man-child like Hussein O. And it will be a spoonful of truth sugar for the uneducated populace.
Do we forget how the Drive-by Media constantly fed us horror stories (true or untrue) about Iraq, Bush’s intelligence, flip-flops? Whether they were true or not, the barrage of bad news was like drops of water breaking down a rock. “Bush is stupid,” “Bush is dangerous…”
I say we do a variation of this: “BO is dangerous, he is inexperienced, untested…”
Let us break down Barack. Day by day. But when we do, let us have our own “rock” ready to present to America. The one we should have been presenting to them since 1994.
Because the current system creates two classes of schools
The_Gadfly (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:02PM EDT (link)the government funded militantly agonistic one which is free, and the private ones, including religious ones, whose attendees must not pay to teach their children according to the tenants of their faith, but also the public one which is opposed to their faith no matter how much they deny it. The Libs have demanded the separation of church and state, now let them live by it. The state should not be allowed to actively undermine the church.
Socialism is becoming sheik
Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:05PM EDT (link)I am starting to hear about it now. socialism is becoming sheik and hip.
We’ll have to learn a long painful lesson.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Elected Elite
Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:14PM EDT (link)I see the real battle is not between parties but between us and our ElectedElite in Washington. Spending is out of control. They only think about self preservation and blow smoke to the public looking like they are actually doing something for their country.
We need fiscal conservatives to wage a war against fat cat government.
Will we ever learn the lesson of finishing off the other side when we have the chance? REPS with the majority suffered from “majority guilt” and got soft on us. One thing I admire about DEMS is they slap anyone who reaches across the aisle. They will run with their agenda in a partisan way. REPS, (hopefully conservatives someday) must do the same when back in power.
Remember, government is a reacting entity. If we do the work on the ground, government will eventually affirm it.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
I'd flip it. I'm okay with Boehner, but McConnell has to go
The_Gadfly (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:16PM EDT (link)at least as Senate Minority Leader. Part of the problem for the last few years has been the Republican leadership in the Senate. When the Dems took control of the Senate but we maintained control of the House after we first won both houses for the first time since WWII, Newt got the boot and the idiot in the senate who went along to get along with the Dems kept his job. One of the reasons I didn’t like McCain, (and only voted for him as the lesser of two evils, the first democrat I’ve ever voted for but at least he was listed with an R behind his name on the ballot) is that he too was part of the go along to get along group. The Senate has been the place where these “statesman like” compromises that undercut conservative principles are made. They are the ones that have to change. Boehner led principled opposition in the House, and with the changes in the other leadership positions, I think he’s probably still the best we can do there. The Senate needs someone who can be the charismatic leader of our principled defense of democracy. McConnell is too quiet to do that. He should probably still be part of the leadership team, maybe as whip where he is counting the votes and using procedure to advance the agenda. I think it is also important that it not be viewed as punishing him to move him into a position where his natural skills better match the work that the party needs from him.
paulag, I think IJB is trying to say
Uma Richie (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:33PM EDT (link)that the tuition shouldn’t be so low that parents lose investment/involvement in the school; however when a real need exists, offer scholarships.
I can understand this point, but for it to work, it would require some pressure from the pulpit. There are parents who qualify for financial aid, but because of pride, would rather send their children to public school than take a handout. I met one such parent in line for voting on Tuesday.
(IJB, sorry if I’m totally off the mark.)
The problem
Menlo (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:34PM EDT (link)is that protecting human life from mass genocide by state-licensed “doctors” is not about anything even remotely “internal” or eternal. If it were, it would have no place in government.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
I mostly agree.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:37PM EDT (link)SoCons and FiCons have to work together. I think real SoCons can’t help but be FiCons for essentially the reason you state. FiCons I don’t see being driven toward the SoCon philosophy though. I’ve never been able to trace a good route from FiCon to SoCon that meets the “necessary” part of “necessary and sufficient” clause. And quite honestly, I am really tired of the FiCons telling me to go to the back of the bus because I tend to emphasize SoCon over FiCon.
It well could.
Menlo (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 12:42PM EDT (link)That’s not likely what will do it. I think South Dakota just did though. When a whopping 55 percent of about the tenth or so most pro-life state demands abortion on-demand, it really does look hopeless.
However, if that is not enough, Obama and the Congressional Democrats are more liberal now. There is a big and likely lasting Democrat majority likely to pass FOCA if not this term then after more Democrats win in 2010.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
[blah blah blah]
nephewmiltie (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 2:07PM EDT (link)[moby moby moby]
The case against socialism
itsonlywords (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 2:07PM EDT (link)Is hard to make, given the watered down history kids are being taught in schools and the liberal indoctrination going in in our universities.
If people don’t have an understanding of the failings of socialism and some historical context, it can indeed sound “hip,” and compassionate and fair, especially given a young, charismatic proponent such as Barack Obama.
No matter what strategies unfold in the short term, in the long term, we need to look at taking back the education system at the school board level.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Socialist?
SunDogII Friday, November 7th at 3:10PM EDT (link)1) People are not afraid of Socialism, it is an acceptable political outcome. I’m going to be thinking a long time on why this is, but I think that it is a combination of lack of education within the electorate, a generation has passed since Carter, and the illusionary success of European socialism in our globalized economy.
That’s the only part of your tale that I have doubts about; I doubt that 10% of the voters considered Obama a socialist (I would say Marxist). All most people heard was that 95% mantra.
No, You Got It About Right (n/t)
IJB Friday, November 7th at 9:14PM EDT (link)Fads Come, And Go
IJB Friday, November 7th at 10:41PM EDT (link)Socialism will be “sheik” about and until the next couple of rounds of college graduates (many of whom are…? – you guessed it: Obama supporters!) hit the job market and find their job prospects are non-existent, even at the previous “absolutely last-chance-back-up/safety-net!” retail store level.
Recommended
TheAdmiral (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 11:01PM EDT (link)Dave, great job.
I agree that people (at least 60M+) are no longer afraid of socialism, at least how Obama presented it. I’m doubtful that many Americans ever heard socialism during the campaign, and if they did, it simply didn’t register.
We have an 8 year old and a 6 year old and we just pulled them out of public school this year. We’ll move into a smaller house, sell a car, cut out TV and cell phones, anything to make sure we can pay for tuition to their small Catholic school. We live in a pretty conservative area of west Richmond (and it voted or Obama so I’m not sure how conservative it is now..) and the kids were being indoctrinated about community and sharing and all of the beginnings of socialism, even in the 1st grade. Very little instruction, if any on personal responsibility. I’ll be careful here, but they seriously learned about Martin Luther King Jr. before Lincoln. No disrespect towards Dr. King and everything he contributed, but without Lincoln, there would be no Dr. King. But not according to public school. This is what we’re up against.
So we’re now faced with a younger generation that have been fully indoctrinated through secondary and post-secondary education, and with the advent of Facebook, Myspace and other technology, their sense of collectivism is being validated daily. So we face a very tough road ahead in trying to sway these minds. I think it will take a complete and utter economic catastrophe for these people to realize how Reagan and fiscal conservatism and free maket capitalism is really the only solution.
And when this collapse happens (and I fear that it will, sooner than we think) then we must do what Dave mentioned above:
Be completely partisan in our response. we must clearly lay the forthcoming failures at the feet of the Marxists with passion and venom. It’s how they’ve operated for years and we must act and react accordingly.
I’ve said this before, partisanship breeds clarity and simplicity. It makes issues black and white. And this place allows you to speak freely and clearly with conviction and passion and courage. And if you’re speaking with all of this, people will follow. Just look at what just happened. People saw this in Obama. So when he fails (and he will) we must be in a position to resonate in his aftermath.
And finally I also agree that, as much as social issues mean to many of us, the life issue is, for all intents and purposes, over. People just elected a president who supports infanticide. Life is just not an issue that resonates. The most important issue facing us is debt and entitlements. This should be the drumbeat daily. $53T in looming obligations and we keep adding to that debt daily. It simply must stop and I fear that this will ultimately be the trigger for a catastrophic economic situation that may sway Obots away from the dark side.
Hit hard. Hit fast. Hit often.
You're Kidding Me
adamsweb (Diary) Saturday, November 8th at 1:51PM EDT (link)First of all is abortion an issue the Majority of the electorate cares about? No. Is it an issue that a portion of the electorate care about? Yes. Do those voters tend to go towards us? Again, yes.
Secondly, what the heck do you mean, “The Courts have been lost for a genration?” If President Obama gets 5 supreme Court appointments, I might concede your point. But what you’re spewing here is pure defeatist BS.
If Obama had been conceived 13 years later
GregInFla (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 12:01AM EDT (link)And given his parents’ situation, he may have been aborted. I wonder if he ever thinks about that.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
Fighting With The Sames Rules Of Engagement
rcov092 (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 1:10AM EDT (link)Just like we fought the insurgency in Iraq in 2004-2006, we fight political campaigns and legislative battles with a different set of rules of engagement from our enemies and it has not served us well. Somewhere along the line, someone decided that it is more important to seem….gentlemanly. I think it is because we as a Nation have been reticent to recognize that seriously Anti-American people have taken root in the opposition and plan on staying. It is the curse of the 60′s finally catching up.
We must destroy the liberal MSM for abandoning their fiduciary responsibility. Buy no paper that spews invective against our core principles and write their largest advertisers when they lie and withhold information.
We must also fight every legislative battle from here on as if our life depends on it (it does). We have to use the same rule book as our opponents or we have to stop whining about losing.
No, I do not mean stoop to dishonesty, I am talking about defending our principles with all the zeal, commitment and aggressiveness we have seen in the Democrat party the last several years.
Lastly, we were also beaten because we do not get the internet. No I do not mean all the posters here, I mean the party leadership. If you look at the internet presence of the GOP vs, the Democrat party we are far behind.
We need to become involved and commit to building the digital infrastructure to connect our network as strongly and efficiently as the Democrats have and I mean from the local level up. We will need to raise 2.0 billion to run against Obama in 2012 and this does not include 2010 races. We need to start tomorrow. fund raising needs to become the prime directive for us on the local level.
We must start to reach out with common sense to people in everyday interactions to bridge the rhetoric of why conservatism works and why, how and how often Liberalism fails/failed in the world. Talk about the failures of Liberalism every day to someone.
As our European allies start to rethink their liberal path, we have turned hard left. We need to play off the strength of Europe’s dissatisfaction with the Liberalism that has enslaved them, and let people here know what faces them.
Lastly, we must become the 41st vote in the Senate. We need to be vigilant and monitor every bad bill and rise up to stop them from moving forward. Remember, elections happen every 2 years here. We must start to exercise or perogatives as constituents. Get FAX software and all the numbers of US Senators. Blister them with your anger.
We cannot wait to be lead on these things. There will be a war for control of the party leadership that may not be settled for some time. We all have to become involved locally and lead from the bottom up. Today is the day we must start.
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I doubt it
Lammo (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 1:55AM EDT (link)Any man who could refer to his own grandchildren as punishment for his daughters does not give a single thought to the devastating consequences of abortion.
Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)
Too right, friend.
seattle_ite Sunday, November 9th at 2:22AM EDT (link)Did Gen. Washington try to make nicey-nice with the British? No.
Did Reagan win the Cold War with handshakes and hugs? NO.
Being all collegial is wonderful, when the stakes aren’t so high. Maybe the mods in elective office can go back to debate squad at Yale, and leave the governing to folks with a clear vision.
hand out
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 2:56AM EDT (link)Isn’t it weird how people see private help that is voluntarily given because people believe in Christian education as want to give a handout but not the $8,000 that is forcibly taken from the public to pay for their child’s public school.
Yes! All schools should be private.
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 3:12AM EDT (link)An education does not have to be expensive. Parents can teach children at home with very little expense. We live in a literate society there is so much available at the library and at used book stores. If we were in a primitive jungle it would be different.
Brick and mortar schools are not a necessity before graduate or vocational school. I think education and child care are totally the same in many people’s minds.
Imagine if people were not paying for public schools and property taxes went down. The ones who are comfortable could afford an extra $500 to donate to the library or to the homeschool co-op. The quality of education would go up about 100% because parents would be r-e-s-p-o-n-s-i-b-l-e all of a sudden for their kids education instead of expecting Uncle Sam to take care of it.
I’m not trying to make a case for homeschooling but the issue of cost was brought up. I do think there should be no public schools or government financing of K-12 education. If parents want school they can have private schools.
What do conservatives want?
simple Sunday, November 9th at 5:18PM EDT (link)Small government and fiscal discipline? From 1946 to today, Democrat presidents pushed the deficit up by 3.2 percent per year. Republican presidents, on the other hand, increased the budget deficit by 9.7 percent (thanks to Reagan and Bush Jr.). In other words, since 1946 Republican presidents have outspent Democrat presidents by almost 3-1. At no time since 1945 when Republicans have been in total charge of both elected branches of government have they ever reduced spending. As President Reagan entered office in 1981 he repeatedly called for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, yet never submitted a balanced budget himself. Many blame the Democratically controlled Congress for the “big spending” during his administration, though Republicans controlled the Senate for the first six years of his two terms. Only during the last two years of the Reagan administration was the Congress completely controlled by Democrats, and the records show that the growth of the debt slowed during this period. It appears that the frequently referenced Reagan’s Conservative mythology is contrary to the truth, he was an award winning, record setting liberal spender and government grower.
You may be correct in saying no nation has ever taxed its way to prosperity, but what is true is that, in the US, people have poorer health and shorter average lifespans (30th according to the 2007 CIA World Factbook) than the countries (UK, Spain, France, Germany and others) from which most of the US population today is biologically derived? And, according to many rankings such as the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) test, US students do not rank in the top 20, worldwide.
The question is, do Americans want a richer, more powerful, elite, or a healthier, better educated, society overall?
Naah, we've got nothing against Kurds.
Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 5:26PM EDT (link)Or Jews, for that matter. Plus, no swearing.
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Given that you won't get a healthier, better educated society
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 5:33PM EDT (link)with help from the federal government, I’d say “both”.
Cut spending by eliminating entire departments. DoE (both of them), DoA, HUD for starters.
Hispanics were not the difference
Aurelian Sunday, November 9th at 11:01PM EDT (link)First of all, if we are shattering myths, then it must be stated again that Bush did NOT win 44% of the latino vote in 2004. It was most likely somewhere between 38-40%; a good showing for a Republican, but still a double digit loss to a very lame Democrat. And that was from a Republican who had pandered to Hispanics from the moment he ran for governor back in 1994. And it was before the evil Tancredoites scared away all of the ‘natural Republcans’ with the 2006 and 2007 amnesty battles.
Following from that, McCain most likely got as much as 32% of the Hispanic vote, so we are looking at a decline of somewhere between 6-9 points. McCain’s share of the white vote fell from 58% to about 55%, and that 3 point drop with whites cost McCain many more votes than did the larger drop with Hispanics simply because of those two groups respective share of the electorate. Of course with the electoral college, location matters, but it’s probably a safe bet that McCain’s poorer showing with whites hurt him much more than his poorer showing with non-whites, especially in North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, and Ohio. If McCain had lost Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida by just a few votes, then it could be argued that latinos were decisive (but then so too could the same argument be made for any group if it is very close), but Obama wound up winning those easily.
Wait a Second
dld1717 (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 11:07PM EDT (link)I hope we can agree that this party must do a better job at being seen as being inclusive of all people and is not anti Hispanic. Mark my words in 10 years we could be in dire straights if we do not work on this issue
Now there is no question that Hispanic are an increasing presence in political spectrum and 10 years many states may show whites to actually be in the minority (like CA is already) the party must look to the future and realize that if this continues on this path many states may fall to Dems cause they have a coalition that is growing
The Party would be very smart to work on this!
Hispanics have turned themselves into
Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 11:18PM EDT (link)another skin deep interest group. Or as Dems call them, groups that need Ivy league Whites to protect.
Hispanics live as Republicans, they live as conservatives, but more and more they vote as deadbeats, as liberals, as a group of victims. It is a sad legacy, I don’t think they live that way, but they vote that way.
You are damn right they made the difference in North Carolina, Virginia, New Mexico etc. These are facts, you want to argue them?
I know white liberals outnumber hispanics. But if every minority group joins the left, then we as a party are through. Minorities have greater fertility, at least until they become Republicans. Ask Western Europe about this issue. As the Brits why more go to Mosque than Church on Sunday.
The fact of the matter is if hispanics do not wake up and vote the way they live their lives, we as a party are in for it. And the majority of hispanics that respect hard work, will find they wasted their votes and created a greater wellfare state that THEY will have to pay for.
Molon Labe!
well I hate to offend, but I will do so
Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 11:33PM EDT (link)we could secure our borders. We could give each single country an equal quota for legal immigration, and base that immigration on the needs of this country.
You say Republicans and conservatives must “reach out”? How exactly do you propose such a thing? I want details, not banal platitudes.
Unlike liberalism, that looks at everyone as a minority, whether that be skin pigment, sexual orientation, or sex, we conservatives treat everyone as individuals. They get their unalienable rights from God, and this country allows them to prosper according to ability and effort. Now how exactly must we reach out to Hispanics? And for that matter, must we “reach out” to left handed people too?
Molon Labe!
Hispanics? meh
its_a_right_wing_thing (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 11:46PM EDT (link)we don’t need to “reach out” if we do we risk pandering. Hispanics have already made up their minds to vote Democratic. that is really sad since it looked like they could vote Republican when they first burst ont he scene in the 2000 election.
I consider Hispanics to be “fake” conservatives or at best, “fake” Catholics. Like another poster said, they live as conservatives but they vote as Democrats because (I think) they know the Democrats are the party of the minority/poor and will give them handouts.
Hispanics claim to be pro-life and church going but there numbers have to be going down overall. I know I don’t see them near as much as I used to, and that was early ’90s when immigration wasn’t even an issue.
They get a lot of credit for going to church and wearing “Mary the Virgin” shirts, crosses, etc. but its all for show. Most of them are Christmas/Easter Catholics just like a lot of people. They are also known to cohabitate which would be breaking a direct commandment so it isn’t all rosy as one may believe.
With that said, Catholics in general disappoint me. Most are not conservative yet pro-life is preached in many churches along with abstainence, and traditional marriage only.
There is no reason that Catholics should not vote Republican in masse, as they could be the Southern Baptists of the North (as it is largly a Northern US concentration).
The reason I see that Catholics vote Democratic aside from largely always doing it, was back when they came to America they were persecuted as having a different religion outside that of Protestantism that this country was majority founded upon. The Democratic party machine as a whole, welcomed all minorities in regardless of religion, or national origin.
However many are Democratic in PA for example. I remember a stat like 65% voted for Obama. Pelosi, Reid, and Biden are all Catholics along with VT Senator Patrick Leahy, CT Senator Chris Dodd, and MA Senator Kerry.
The Catholics I know were split at best, but most of them were voting for Obama-a Pro-abortion candidate. This is a declining issue (nationwide even though its a big deal for me personally) and Roe will never be overturned much like a Federal Marriage Amendment will never be passed as the time for that has passed the electorate by. Its all about the economy.
3 day troll
dld1717 (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 11:56PM EDT (link)The 3 day troll is still at it
you are really pushing your luck
Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 11:57PM EDT (link)I got into the ethnic debate too, only in relation to the false creed of “reaching out”. But you sir are really on the verge of banning, I can’t ban you, but when I go on record, there is a 90 percent chance you will be banned, and that has been tabulated by Price Waterhouse. Good luck.
Molon Labe!
To Win, get back to the core
Whitehorse (Diary) Monday, November 10th at 12:03AM EDT (link)The basic cause of losses by Republicans is that too many stopped being all-round conservatives. Winning Republican conservatism is the three-legged stool of fiscal restraing/limited government, strong degense, & conservative social policies. Together, these three win. We need leadership top-down that recognizes this & puts it into action.
There are other mechanics that come into play. The visual comparison of Obama v. McCain is similar to Bill Clinton v. Bush 41 & Dole. We need to consistently oppose & publicize wrong & failure by the Dems. I believe the MSM will continue to lose market share & influence, especially with the all-out effort to elect Obama.
The basis for victory & for moving the country in the right direction is getting back to the core conservatism & regaining the mantle of fiscal responsibility & limited government, while keeping the other legs of the stool intact.
who made the difference
Aurelian Monday, November 10th at 12:04AM EDT (link)I havent’ looked the state-by-state data yet, but the idea that McCain’s poorer showing with latinos cost him the election is absurd. Did McCain do as well with whites as Bush did in North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, and Ohio? What about Florida, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico?
Why is the obvious so hard to admit to? McCain’s poorer showing with whites cost him many more votes than did the poorer showing with latinos. Are we not supposed to say this?
Now it may be true that had McCain retained Bush’s 58% of the white vote, but fell with everyone else to where he actually did, then he would not have won because of the lesser share of the electorate made up of by whites. But its also true that to make up for the lost 3 points with whites, he’d have to have won a share of the Hispanic vote that no Republican has ever gotten. Are you so sure that there were not enough white Bush voters in Va, NC, and other states who became Obama voters (or non-voters) to make the difference?
The GOP should of course try harder with Hispanics, but it should do the same with all groups, including whites, even if we are called racists for it. A better showing with whites could mean holding on to Southwestern states a little while longer, and actually flipping blue states like Pennsylvania and Minnesota. You may say that winning those blue states is unrealistic, and you may be right, but I’d reply that it is no more unrealistic than the idea that we win over Hispanics while immigration levels remain high.
Stop the self inflicted wounds.import a million Mexicans a year..
SeriousLaff (Diary) Monday, November 10th at 12:11AM EDT (link)Many good points. We have lost the media. Republicans have to buy their message with advertising. Our media isn’t free. Democrats were giddy when McCain pushed through his campaign (let’s screw Republicans) finance plan. Idiot. Bush signed it. Idiot.
Bush and McCain saw that Republicans do well with a minority group. About 40% of the vote. (Talk about fuzzy math. I thought you needed over 50% to win an election.) Bush and McCain though that was a good reason to import a million illegal Mexicans a year. Not the Republican voting ones. The poor ones who will probably need public assistance and vote Democrat. Republicans puhed this. Bush and McCain, again, idiots.
And abortion as an issue causes many people to yawn. Not that Republicans shouldn’t be pro life but talking about it all the time only loses the additional voters we need. It also takes time away from discussing what many undecided voters consider really important leaving those issues to be discussed by the Democrats. They shut up about the issue and appoint the judges that can do something about it after the election.
I am not getting you here
Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, November 10th at 12:14AM EDT (link)hispanic poplulations have increased dramatically in VA and NC, and the majority voted for Obama. You need to check demographic trends. If hispanics did not dessert McCain, he might have won. We are not blaming hispanics, all groups left McCain, Blacks voted almost 100 percent for Obama.
The only group that split fairly evenly where whites. So I guess whites are the least racist. Again I do not get your point, hispanics who voted for Bush did not vote for McCain. Yet McCain has been the long term Senator of a state with a large hispanic population.
I am tired of talking race and ethnicity. We do not need to “reach out” to anyone. Our ideas are universal. Who ever says we must reach out to whites? What we need to do is joine the PTA, focuse on local government etc. The left is destroying this country from the inside. We can’t come up with some Golden Boy to throw a Hail Mary.
Molon Labe!
Being seen as 'anti-Hispanic'
Aurelian Monday, November 10th at 12:22AM EDT (link)Let me clue you in to what will be deemed as anti-Hispanic (as well as anti-immigrant, anti-immigration, xenophobic, bigoted, hateful, etc) by the Democrats, the professional ethnic grievance groups, and the mainstream media —- ANY expression of conservative views, even if those views are the majority, mainstream views of Americans.
Any dissent from support for a pathway to citizenship for illegals and for support for unending mass legal immigration will result in being called anti-whatever.
Guess what it will take to be deemed as ‘inclusive’? — You got it; support for amnesty for illegals and for unending mass legal immigration!
So there are really only two options; (1) we surrender to this and engage in a futile attempt to out-pander the Democrats for the loyalty of latinos, or (2) Put forth an articulate champion for conservative immigration reform, someone who can effectively deflect the bogus charges of anti-whatever and racism and xenophobia that will be thrown at such a person.
Your ten year prediction is interesting, because I think that may be enough time to turn Texas into a battleground state. And if that happens, it will not be because the GOP failed to continue the pandering of Bush (who never won a majority of the Hispanic vote in Texas in any of his four victories in the state), but rather it will be an inevitable result of an immigration policy that admitted hundreds of thousands of people every year who were always going to favor the Democrats.
Democrats and their judges
Aurelian Monday, November 10th at 12:28AM EDT (link)You are largely right, but the GOP should definitely make a bigger deal and issue out of judges. Obama got away with talking moderate on social issues, but the truth of the matter is that it what all a sham. His judges would impose all of the far-left positions that Obama and Democrats before him could never admit to holding.
The GOP should definitly point out that while Obama talks like a centrist on abortion, marriage, and guns, the truth is that his judges would impose abortion on demand, strike down every traditional marriage law in the country and impose gay marriage in their place, and would gut the Second Amendment of any real meaning.
As I remember it, McCain only made one half-hearted attempt at this in one of the debates, but he limited it to abortion. Pointing out the conflict between the moderate talk of Democrat politicians versus the far-left views their judges would impose on a whole host of issues should be a priority for the GOP.
Tell SeeBS and MessNBC
Menlo (Diary) Monday, November 10th at 12:43AM EDT (link)The politicians aren’t the ones doing it. For Republicans, the establishment media makes it the highlight of their coverage and interview questions.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
I don't think I'm getting you either
Aurelian Monday, November 10th at 12:55AM EDT (link)I’m well aware of the demographic trends. That is why I believe the GOP is on a steady course for demographic oblivion. That is why I so wanted as much conservative reform as possible to be implemented while a conservative GOP still has a chance in national elections.
But anyway, so do you believe that had McCain kept Bush’s 38-40% of the Hispanic vote, yet lost the three points with whites (as well as what he lost with everyone else), then he would have won?
I seriously doubt that any analysis will support that.
I realize that there were many Hispanics who voted for Bush but who did not vote for McCain (even though McCain is every bit the leftwinger on immigration that Bush is). But don’t you get that there were many whites who voted for Bush but who did not vote for McCain? My major point is that the loss of 3 points among whites was more decisive than the loss of 6-9 points among latinos.
In a state like North Carolina, where it was so close, then one could make the argument that any group was decisive, and the group chosen is usually indicative of some sort of agenda being pushed by the person making the claim. Those who point to Hispanics usually fall into two camps; (1) those saying that it proves Republicans must become enthusiastic supporters of unending mass immigration to win over the growing tide of Hispanics, or (2) those who are saying that its already over and its too late for the GOP; this position can be expressed from a doom-and-gloom conservative (which I admit to being at times) or a gloating leftie.
But to return to North Carolina; yes, the Hispanic population has grown greatly there, but as with all other places, they lag behind in their share of the electorate. Its probably the case that had McCain done as well with whites in NC as Bush did, he would have carried the state. It was increased turnout from and an even higher showing with black voters for Obama, and a worse showing with whites that cost McCain in NC, not the Hispanic vote.
you are not seeing the forest for the trees
Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, November 10th at 1:39AM EDT (link)the hispanic vote is getting larger every election. a large percentage of Texas is now blue. Now how do you think that happened. I am not talking about the inner cities, I am talking almost all of south and west Texas.
I know Virginia has been innundated by legal and illegal hispanic immigrants. For whatever reason, they vote with the Dems, I guess mainly on immigration. We have maybe one or two elections to take immigration on or the issue will become mute. We can get our word out to hispanics, but I am not sure how much a deal that will make.
People need to come to conservatism on their own, not as a group, it is about the individual and is joined by individuals. Let the Dems play skin color and victimhood. If it is too late to build a majority, than we must be the strongest minority in history.
Molon Labe!
Long time since I looked at this thread, but this need to be answered
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:32PM EDT (link)What I mean about the courts have been lost for a generation is this:
Bush left many vacancies on the federal bench and in the appellate courts, due to Democrat refusal to consider his nominees. These vacancies will now be filled by Obama. One thing you can be sure of is that none of his appointments will lift a finger to address Roe v Wade. If we are lucky, we will retain our current conservatives on the Supreme Court, plus Kennedy. But any vacancies will also be filled by pro-choice nominees, and Kennedy has not shown any inclination to address the original Roe ruling. The practical effect is that Roe will not reach a point where it can be reconsidered for at least 20 years.
We are already over 30 years since Roe was decided. At that point it will have been over 50 years, and the concept of Stare Decicis (settled law) will be firmly entrenched into the court’s judgement. The practical effect is that Roe v Wade will never be overturned, and that limitations imposed on abortion on demand may be eroded. There is not a majority of the electorate interested in making abortion illegal, proven by the resounding rejection the South Dakota voters gave to a statewide limitation that was on the 2008 ballot.
This puts us in an awkward position with regard to our candidates. The Pro-life litmus test is now a judgement of the character of our candidates, not a campaign promise of action that they will take. There is no action they can take to advance the pro-life position.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy