“If we’re going to have a nuclear holocaust, I’m going to the buffet first” – National Review 2008 Post Election Cruise – part 1


Sun, Booze, and Conservatives – what more can you ask for?

(Thanks to Jim Geraghty for the hat tip over at NRO’s Campaign Spot. His summary of the cruise is well worth reading.)

This diary is the first in a series of multimedia diaries that I will be posting over the next few days. I’m hoping that I can get my footage edited and up on YouTube before I need to head to Los Angeles on Monday. So bear with me as I put all of this together. I’m going to start with this overview of the cruise, then in later segments cover in depth the discussions that occurred on specific topics, such as the bailout, Hollywood, and George W. Bush’s legacy.

The cruise began last Saturday in Fort Lauderdale Florida. Over 700 of us boarded Holland America’s new ship, the Eurodam, for a cruise of the Caribbean. Our ports of call included Grand Turk, San Juan, St. Thomas, and finally their private island, Half Moon Cay. During the cruise, we had dinner with the speakers on a rotating basis, nightly receptions (including 2 cigar and cognac parties) and daily panel discussions with the speakers. The big draws were Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson, but we also had; Anne Bayefsky, Ken Blackwell, Mona Charen, Shannen Coffin, David Freddoso, Roman Genn, Jim Geraghty, Jonah Goldberg, Victor Davis Hanson, Bernard Lewis, Scott Johnson, Rob Long, Kathryn Jean Lopez, Andrew McCarthy, Bill McGurn, John Miller, Deroy Murdock, Jay Nordlinger, Kate O’Beirne, Darcy Olsen, John O’Sullivan, Ramesh Ponnuru, Father Robert Sirico, Stephen Spruiell, Mark Steyn, Pat Toomey, Ed Whelan, Bing West, and Byron York.

With this lineup, there was no shortage of opportunities to discuss politics and issues with an impressive array of people who we listen to and read almost daily. I’ve put together this quick video to give a flavor of cruise:

As you can see, it was a really fabulous event. In all honesty, I was worried that it would be a shipload of depressed conservatives whining about Obama. But to my surprise, everyone quickly became quite upbeat and positive about the future. Also to my surprise, there was a remarkable unanimity among the speakers and guests regarding the future of conservatism and the Republican Party. Even when there were sharp differences in opinions, such as between Pat Toomey and Mitt Romney on the bailout, there was a very high degree of commonality between the speakers and genuine friendship. It was great to see Fred and Mitt talking and laughing together during breaks in the program.

During the last week, I found out something I didn’t know. Apparently, I look like Mitt Romney. During the first night’s reception I was asked several times if I was David Romney, Mitt’s son. I kind of brushed it off as being the light, but when Jim Geraghty told me I ought to be his stunt double, I realized I was in for a long week. All in all, 47 people told me how much I look like Mitt, and the National Review folks started teasing me about it, with Jonah Goldberg and Roman Genn telling me that they were going to use me as a stand-in for Mitt in caricatures.

I also found out that quite a few people pay attention to RedState. It turns out that Jim Geraghty has read several of my diaries (so you can bet he has read other folks too). Also, when I was talking to Jeri Thompson about Team Sarah, she immediately brought up RedState and Operation Leper, before learning I post here. Once she found out, she told me to thank Erick for Operation Leper and to tell him Hi (Erick, Jeri says Hi, just wanted you to know, don’t let it go to your head, k?). During the cruise I got to talk extensively to several folks like Jay Nordlinger, Mark Steyn, Pat Toomey, Jonah Goldberg, and Rob Long. My wife and I also struck up some nice friendships with Jen, who runs the Shining-city.net blog and her husband Zack, and also Jim Geraghty and his wife.

Some additional observations from the past week:

1) Sarah Palin is a rock star. John O’Sulivan took advantage of his first speaking opportunity to go off topic and tell everyone what a terrific candidate he thinks she is. He was stunned be the thunderous ovation that he got in response, and quite taken aback. I’m going to write a specific diary about the discussion of Sarah, but afterward, the joke among the speakers became “if you want applause, just say Sarah”.

2) Much of the NR conservative base is getting old. My wife and I were among the youngest people on the cruise. Even though we aren’t all that young (we look much younger than we are), the handful of younger cruisers gravitated toward us as did some of the younger National Review folks. National Review needs to really think about how to find a way to get younger conservatives to attend.

3) Racism and homophobia is alive and well in the GOP. I’m really saddened to say so, but several of our fellow cruisers had no problems making blatant, disparaging comments about blacks and gays, because they felt comfortable being at a dinner table with white conservatives. Fortunately, these were very much older guests, so I’m hopeful that I was seeing a vestige of the past. There also seems to be a vocal subset of the SoCon cruisers that felt it was their duty to chastise the younger women that they should be quitting their jobs to raise and home school their children.

4) My instincts about the lessons of the election are pretty good. The diary I wrote immediately after the election stands up very well to the thinking of the conservative speakers. Every point that I made in this diary was raised by someone on a panel, and very few other ideas or thoughts were discussed. An exception was the discussion of the work that Darcy Olsen and the Goldwater Institute is doing in Arizona. There is an untapped opportunity on the state level that we should be taking advantage of. I’ll be specifically writing a diary entry on this topic.

5) The positive attitudes of the NR people do not come across well in writing. I found that in person, the NR folks are very upbeat and generally very much in sync with everything we talk about here. The gloom and loss of focus on conservatism that we tend to see when we read the Corner does not come out when you talk to them face to face.

6) Conservatism has a remarkable strong and consistent message. The spirit of Reagan is alive and well, and is not watered down among the 700+ I spent a week with. Even areas of disagreement had very positive results, where the direction forward was universally based on common beliefs in conservative base principles.

Let me give a quick note about the title of this series. I overheard someone say this in the elevator heading up to the midnight buffet. This was in response to a comment Mark Steyn made about Anne Bayefsky giving an impassioned speech about the Iranian nuclear program, while dressed in a towel. No, I am not kidding.

Stay tuned for more about the cruise.

Part 2 can be found here.

Part 3 can be found here.

Part 4 can be found here.

Part 5 can be found here.

Part 6 can be found here.

Part 7 can be found here.

Part 8 can be found here.

Part 9 can be found here.


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Let's go, let's go....where's part two alread ?

Kenny Solomon (Diary) Saturday, November 15th at 10:40PM EDT (link)

;-)

Of course I’m kiddin’.

An absolutely awesome read, Dave.

Hey, where are you in Flori-duh? I’m in South Broward, ’bout 20 minutes from Ft. La-dee-dah.

Stay tuned, I'm just scratching the surface

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Saturday, November 15th at 10:50PM EDT (link)

Wait until you see the video of Mark Steyn, Jonah Goldberg and Rob Long doing their panel discussion on conservatism and humor. Tears were rolling down everyone’s face, we were laughing so hard. Just got to do the editing, LOL.

I’m up in Brevard I think about 150 miles north of you. It was a hike this morning driving back from Lauderdale. :)

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

If you make it back down this way..........

Kenny Solomon (Diary) Saturday, November 15th at 10:56PM EDT (link)

…… send me a note and I’ll buy you a round or two of your favorite adult or other beverage.

Mail: waltnektroid @ yahoo dot com

That cruise sounded like a really good time and I wish I could have made it.

You got it!

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Saturday, November 15th at 10:59PM EDT (link)

Though I had my share of adult beverages this last week. :)

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

 
 
 
 

Great summary.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, November 15th at 11:03PM EDT (link)

I hope it gets either picked up by or at least linked to by NRO. I’m looking forward to your coming installments.

Change

 

You Do Look Like Romney n/t

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 11:39AM EDT (link)

I'm going to make a shameless plug

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 1:33PM EDT (link)

If you like this series, please recommend this diary in particular. I will be using it to link to the rest of the diaries. I don’t want to see 7 or 8 of these end up on the recommended list, but I would like this one to get to a more permanent location on the site, to keep it from rolling off in a day or so.

There is a lot here to digest.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

 

Great work Dave and please be specific with the racism

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 2:52PM EDT (link)

and homophobia statements.

If you must use ** to make it clean, fine, but we need to know what you mean, specifically. Quotes.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

I'm going to have to leave it as is, Mike

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 3:18PM EDT (link)

Just like there were somethings told to me in confidence that I can’t divulge, I’m not comfortable providing direct quotes, since they could end up getting back to originators.

Let me say that it wasn’t a huge problem, but it was noticeable, and was also commented on by one or two on the NR presenters to me over drinks.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

As I suspected, not that gross

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 7:10PM EDT (link)

Dave, there will always be racist comments from some, esp the inebriated IN BOTH PARTIES. It is human. But the race problem in Ameirca is the Dem Party I was in until 2000. They seek to use race to make victim dependents. They use race to base laws upon.

I think the statement you made that there is “still racism in the GOP” makes too much of what you heard and assumes too much of the liberal media big lie about the GOP.

That is my point.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

In other words Dave, humans using differences to try and build themselves up

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 7:12PM EDT (link)

is alive and well in human beings and always will.

For you to make that a bullet point about the GOP elevates the human condition to some inherent problem in the GOP.

It is not. I know. I was in the Dem Party for 18 years and have been a human being for 45.

Look at a map of Europe. Ever wonder why the countries are so small? They found reasons to hate other than race.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

I kind of disagree, Mike

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 8:03PM EDT (link)

But I understand where you are coming from. Part of my sensitivity is that my daughter is gay, so homophobic remarks tend to put my teeth on edge the way Cheney reacted to Edwards in the 2004 debate.

But there are quite a few people in the Republican party that do actually believe that racism doesn’t exist in the party, and is a fiction invented by the left to justify their own. Maybe the bullet point was a bit too strong, but the incidents were still uncomfortable for me.

I think it is good to look at ourselves honestly.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Understood brother - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, November 16th at 8:25PM EDT (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 
 
 
 

wish I'd been there, Dave

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 3:34PM EDT (link)

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

If you look like Mitt, get a hold of his credit cards!

streetwise (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 4:20PM EDT (link)

Seriously, great idea for a blog. Always wondered what went on in the Righteous Love Boat :>)

 

Age of cruisers

sijid Tuesday, November 18th at 2:49PM EDT (link)

The problem with the age of the cruisers is, I believe, all about the cost. An NR cruise is about double the cost of a regular cruise. My guess is the average age of the cruisers is way higher than the average age of say, NRO readers.

Not really much of a premium for this cruise

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 8:10PM EDT (link)

I cruise a great deal, and this NRO cruise was in line with the costs for the higher end 7 day caribbean cruises. More expensive than Carnival, mind you, but you really don’t want to go on Carnival (well, if you like drunken, naked people running through the halls a 3:30 in the morning, maybe you do).

The problem is when the cruise (like the next one) is someplace in Europe, because you need to fly there as well. This one, a lot of people just drove down to Florida.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

The flight always kept me away from the NR cruises.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 8:39PM EDT (link)

For the Caribean ones, it’s the better part of two grand for the wife and I to get to FL. To leave from the East Coast it’s a two day slog across the Country and the better part of two grand. Of course, for me most of the fare is Juneau to Seattle, these days around $500 unless you have lots of time and do some serious fare shopping. Fare shopping here means catching some kind of promotion on Alaska Airlines since they’re the only one that serves Southeast Alaska. Even if I wanted to take one of the Alaska cruises, I’d have to fly to Seattle then take the ferry or a Horizon flight to Vancouver, since the Jones Act won’t let most of the cruise ships go directly from Seattle to Alaska as they’re not American bottoms.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 

Sweet, Jim Geraghty at National Review linked to this Diary

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 12:28AM EDT (link)

I wonder if Erick even noticed? What with the personal message from Jeri Thompson to him, I would have expected at least a comment. :(

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy