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At the Risk of Alienation: Walker’s Gay Marriage Ruling

The recent ruling out of California regarding Proposition 8- the voter-enacted ban on same sex marriage- re-opens a debate.  At one time I researched the issue heavily in order to find a justification- other than moral or religious- against gay marriage and could not find any reliable one.  For example, arguing against gay marriage on economical grounds fell by the wayside.  For every study out there demonstrating a deleterious effect of gay marriage, there is an equal number out there showing no deleterious or advantages to gay marriage.  For example, one study demonstrated how homosexual monogamy decreased homosexual promiscuity and, one suspects, the spread of disease.  Incidentally, homosexuals do not necessarily have a monopoly on sexual promiscuity within or outside the context of marriage.  When one strips away the alleged economic or sociological objections to gay marriage, at the very worse, the jury is still out and one is left with either moral or religious objections.

By no stretch of the imagination can I be described as a moral relativist.  But, in many discussions with opponents of gay marriage, after presenting my side, they often say, “Can’t they just leave us one thing?”  Unfortunately, that argument carried through to its logical conclusion would be a justification for the segregationist policies that once existed in the former Confederacy.  And in this area, there can be no moral relativism if one adheres to the basic concept enshrined in every major American historical document- “that all men are created equal.”  There can simply be no moral differential treatment of groups of people.  And this idea was given legislative teeth by the 14th Amendment.

In a recent argument by columnist Eugene Robinson, he gets it partially correct, but also makes some errors along the way.  Discussing the 14th Amendment, he correctly mentions its historical context and the Equal Protection Clause.  However, he gets into certain problems, mainly incorrectly stating the Amendment makes the Bill of Rights applicable to the states.  In reality, the 14th Amendment did not seek out to do this, but was achieved through judicial interpretation over time.  Today, not everything mentioned in the Bill of Rights is applicable to the states (for example, grand jury requirements or jury trials in civil cases).  Those rights that are applicable are those found in the context of “ordered liberty.”  And that is defined as those rights so fundamental that they are rooted in our American traditions and history.  It is what allowed, correctly, for the Court to recently conclude that gun ownership is a fundamental right and that the 2nd Amendment applies to the States.  In order to invoke the incorporation of the Bill of Rights to state actions, one needs to look at the nature of the alleged “right.”  Where Robinson and others get it wrong is where they state that the Equal Protection Clause was the justification for 1954′s Brown v. Board of Education decision.

I believe that this decision is a bell-weather test to determine when a Court crosses the line between constitutional jurisprudence and social engineering.  Put another way, when they use the Constitution to establish what is NOT a fundamental right, then things go seriously awry.  Take the two cases mentioned by Robinson.  In the Brown decision, there is clearly no fundamental right to education in the first place.  Compulsory education is a relatively new concept in American history and was certainly not a requirement during or shortly after the founding of this country.  Nor was it even an established right in Europe at the time.  As a result, we can debate the efficacy of integrated education until the cows come home because that decision was, simply, bad constitutional jurisprudence and nothing more than social engineering.  And the fact is that 56 years later, the gap between black and non-black school performance still exists.  That is, there is no fundamental right to education nor is there a fundamental right to health care coverage or other things near and dear to the hearts of liberals.

Conversely, Robinson correctly notes that the Equal Protection Clause was used in Loving v. Virginia which struck down state bans against interracial marriage.  This case is closer to the debate at hand.  As a result of that case- arguably one of social engineering in the minds of some- the deleterious or null effects demonstrated in Brown are not demonstrated here.  Why?  Because in Brown, education is not a fundamental right in the context of ordered liberty, but marriage is a fundamental right.  Marriage, unlike education or health care or social welfare, IS deeply rooted in our history and was the norm and aspiration at our founding and previous to it.  In fact, it is so fundamental that it is enshrined in laws dating back to Moses.

Having determined the fundamental nature of the institution of marriage, it follows that this right must be incorporated under the 14th Amendment and applicable to the states.  And if Loving was correct under this analysis- and history indicates it was- then it follows that application of that fundamental right must be consistent across state lines.  Therefore, Walker’s decision makes absolute sense.  Following through, the belief that States be allowed to decide the parameters or the definition of marriage under the Ninth or Tenth Amendments fall by the wayside.

The bottom line is that marriage is a fundamental right.  I suppose a strict constructionist would correctly point out that our Founders would have never conceived of same sex marriage.  In fact, a better case against it is that there is no fundamental right to engage in homosexual behavior in the first place given the historical prohibitions against it dating to times way before our founding.  But that is a separate argument and one the defense really did not bring up.  Given court rulings on sodomy laws, however, Walker probably would have ruled against those arguments regardless.

A further bottom line is that gay marriage will not bring about the great apocalypse people predict, just as interracial marriage did not shred the moral fabric of America.  Although the numbers are quite open to debate, we are dealing with a very small percentage of the overall American population.  While gay rights groups claim the numbers of homosexuals is around 12%, a more accurate sampling is that about 4% of the population at most is homosexual.  This small segment of the population seeking a fundamental right leads me to conclude that this is clearly much ado about nothing.  The belief and view that homosexual couples cannot succeed in monogamous relationships, cannot provide love and shelter to children they adopt, or cannot be contributing members of society- that is, cannot do anything a heterosexual married couple can do except beget children- is simply based if not on ignorance, then on outright bigotry.  Other than offending the moral sensibilities of 45% of the American population, same-sex marriage is not a symptom of, nor the downfall of America.

In conclusion, lets keep the debate in political perspective.  Gay marriage is not high on the list of concerns of the electorate this year.  When polls further indicate a majority of Americans are either ambiguous or in favor of it, this lends further credence that in political discourse, the Republican Party needs to stay focused on those things that DO worry Americans- the economy, the federal deficit and an expanding government encroaching on the rights of Americans.  Marriage is a fundamental right and we do not need the government encroaching on that right.

COMMENTS

  • Kyle-MI

    You are making the same disingenuous argument that Judge Walker made in his decision. On the one hand both of you argue that marriage is important (even a right) because of the traditions of thousands of years. On the other hand you completely ignore that those same traditions have defined marriage as the union of two people of the opposite gender. We could go even further. Not only is tradition against gay marriage, it is extremely opposed to homosexual acts. It was not that long ago that the Supreme court ruled that sodomy laws did not violate the Constitution. (Of course, they flipped soon after that. So much for liberal respect of precedence. It only counts for rulings striking down the protection of the unborn.)

    You cannot separate marriage from culture.
    You cannot separate marriage from culture.
    You cannot separate marriage from culture.
    Tyrannical judicial rulings such as this one from Judge Walker are social engineering by liberal elites who believe the average person is incapable of making the correct decision.

  • Scope

    and I think that is kinda important. Since W left office, as much as I think Laura has alot of class, she has been very outspoken in her views-

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/05/laura-bush-gay-marriage-pro-choice.html

  • Martin Knight

    Picking apart your argument …

    Marriage, unlike education or health care or social welfare, IS deeply rooted in our history and was the norm and aspiration at our founding and previous to it. In fact, it is so fundamental that it is enshrined in laws dating back to Moses.

    And yet at no point in all that time, in any culture, has the definition of marriage included spouses of the same sex.

    And by the way, can you please answer this question; providing we’re both consenting adults, do I have the “fundamental right” to marry my brother, sister, father or mother? If not, why not?

  • davenj1

    Only if you live in Arkansas or Vermont… Actually, the prohibitions on marrying family members make sense from the genetic standpoint. And no- at no time has the definition of marriage included people of the same sex. BUT- are you stating that all cultures do NOT have homosexual couples? Homosexuality exists across cultures. There are prohibitions because homosexuality does not advance the culture through perpetuation that heterosexuality does. However, that does not mean that homosexuals cannot make great loving, supportive parents or engage in a monogamous relationship. And you are actually proving my argument. The definition of marriage changes as evidenced by the prohibitions on marriage regarding familial relations and in other areas. Hence, given the absence of any scientific evidence to show that homosexual marriage is particularly “bad,” other than the sensibilities of certain people, there is no excuse to deny homosexuals the right to marry. If someone can give me one good reason to oppose gay marriage- without saying the word “moral” or “religion”- and I will begin to rethink my view.

  • Martin Knight

    Actually, the prohibitions on marrying family members make sense from the genetic standpoint.

    According to Judge Walker, children have no bearing on marriage, so to claim that children are irrelevant to marriage so gays should be allowed to marry while siblings should not be allowed to marry because their children could have genetic abnormalities is a major double standard.

    Besides, what if the incestuous couple is homosexual i.e. father-son, mother-daughter, sister-sister, etc?

    And no- at no time has the definition of marriage included people of the same sex.

    True. Interestingly enough, marriage in ancient Egypt, especially within the Pharoah’s family, was allowed for people from within the same nuclear family.

    BUT- are you stating that all cultures do NOT have homosexual couples?

    Are you saying that all cultures do NOT have incestuous couples?

    Homosexuality exists across cultures.

    So does incest.

    There are prohibitions because homosexuality does not advance the culture through perpetuation that heterosexuality does.

    Likewise incest – I’d imagine genetically compromised children do not advance the culture either. At least not for long.

    However, that does not mean that homosexuals cannot make great loving, supportive parents or engage in a monogamous relationship.

    One can say the same for incestuous couples.

    In fact, I can point you to a brother-sister couple in Germany and a father-daughter couple in Australia, both of which have produced perfectly healthy kids and seem to be loving, supportive and monogamous.

    Hence, given the absence of any scientific evidence to show that homosexual marriage is particularly

  • SoFiMil

    that homosexual marriage is “bad,” would that change your opinion to allowing a law prohibiting homosexual marriage? Or would you say,”Come what may. It doesn’t matter.”?

  • leftylurker

    You have really made a great argument here MK, so I’m going to do my best to give you some more things to chew on.

    1st- I would argue that Judge Walker did not say children are irrelevant to marriage, but rather that the prop 8 supporters failed to make a showing that the state had a rational basis to use marriage as a basis to promote procreation. I would support that by the supporters’ failure to address whether infertile couples should be allowed to be married.

    2nd- On the sibling issue, the state has on many occasions found reason to strike down a contract or policy between consenting individuals on the basis that to allow such a contract to be made would be against the public’s interest. So, for example, I cannot sell an organ, or allow someone to eat me, or sell myself into slavery. I think you could make the argument that sibling marriage was against public policy…

    Anyway, I really appreciate your insight on this, and I look forward to your response.

  • SoFiMil

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  • leftylurker

    While I knew that was coming, I thought I would have more time.

    =)

    1st argument= In the event that children are produced in an incestuous union, the likelihood of those children manifesting dangerous regressive traits is quite high. I want to state, first, that I disagree with the reading of the Walker opinion that states children are irrelevant to marriage. That is a step beyond what the judge said.

    Second= I think that it’s difficult to properly consent to an incestuous relationship, so I would say that any marriage would be suspect. This is similar to laws requiring marriage partners to be of sound mind and of a certain age. (I concede that this rationale would not be sufficient to prevent siblings who had no knowledge of one another from marrying)

  • leftylurker

    If it was proven that homosexual marriage caused problems like other restricted classes of marriage, then I think a court would be required to prohibit it. Unless the 14th Amendment was amended to include sexual preference.

    (Fwiw, just to be clear, I do not support same sex marriage, but it doesn’t bother me. I do think that if same sex marriage is banned, then civil unions with full access to all the legal rights provided by marriage should be mandatory though).

  • SoFiMil

    Another soundness of mind group I believe is Ts (I’ll use the same abbreviation Obama and so many lefties use (extra hint: It’s follows GLB…). I suspect they are embarrassed to say the word. That’s okay, there’s a reason for that. I am to. Are Ts of a sound-mind. Should they be able to adopt?

    I realize your very legitimate questioning of the soundness of mind in incestuous relationships. Setting the soundness of mind issue aside, in regards to two immediate family members wanting to marry,what if the two consenting adults were mother/daughter or brother/brother, and therefore the two individuals couldn’t have children together? Or what if a brother and sister wanted to get married and one or both of had surgery to insure they could not have a child? Incest (defined as having a child of the relationship) is not the sole reason these relationships are not defined as marriage. It is also because they are immoral on its face and damaging to society. I’m not sure how you can present scientific evidence of this, however, as there are very few incestual relationships out there.

    All decisions are moral ones, whether you like to admit it or not. I believe that homosexual marriage is immoral and harmful to society. I also believe society can decide what it will and will not recognize as marriage.

  • Martin Knight

    Marriage is the state recognition of a couple

  • SoFiMil

    on the scientific evidence that homosexual marriage is harmful. I’ll bow out of the debate on scientific details, however.

    In a somewhat related topic, however, I as a conservative who supports a ban on same-sex marriage think it’s a poor talking point by some (I’m not saying you’ve said this), that there’s this gene that pre-disposes individuals (and all the way along the spectrum) toward homosexuality as a justification for homosexual marriage. So what? (And I’m not saying there is this gene.) And if true, would this mean that those with this infamous gene can marry someone of the same sex — but those without the gene cannot? If these marriages are allowed, God forbid, I am not about to demand people get tested for this gene in order to qualify to marry a same-sex partner.

  • leftylurker

    That’s a very good point, and I agree.

    I’m just not sure how to go about legislating morality. I’m no relativist; seeing the way the Saudi’s treat women and Christians cured me of that, but I don’t like telling people that they have to follow my morality.

    I think you have the incest question pretty covered. I find the idea immoral, and I think there is science to back that up, although I admit I know nothing about it.

    But I do think there is evidence that stable couples, whether homosexuals or not, are generally better for children and society in general.

    Frankly, I think it’s stupid for homosexuals to push for the word “marriage.” Would you support mandatory recognition of “civil unions?”

    And I just read Martin’s 1st post more clearly. I think that would totally pass muster under the Walker decision. Well written sir.

  • SoFiMil

    and do some very good things, including charity work, and do not get “divorced” (all echoing a talking point in support of homosexual marriage). This does not make it okay, however.

  • SoFiMil

    I believe it’s up to a private company or business. They should not be required to provide benefits of any kind to anyone, heterosexual or homosexual, or any mandated benefits should they provide health care. I will get to the specifics of your question and my reasoning later, but I do not support the mandatory recognition of “civil unions.”

  • David123

    Do Christians have a right to follow their moral dictates? Do Christians have a right to refuse to allow Adam and Steve to have a church wedding in their church? Does a Christian adoption agency have a right not to help a homosexual couple to adopt?

    The idea that there is a Constitutional Right to homosexual marriage is bunk. When the Constitution, and later the 14th amendment, was ratified the majority of states had legislated that crimes against nature were also crimes against the state law. None of the people who ratified the Constitution or the 14th amendment thought that by doing so they were creating a “right” to engage in homosexual behavior, let alone a “right” for homosexuals to marry each other. The Constitution does explicitly permit freedom of religion, however.

  • SoFiMil

    Traditional marriage and civil unions are separate (and not equal.) Because there is no redeeming value whatsoever in a homosexual marriage or civil union – and I mean that quite literally, as no good will come of it, there is no obligation or duty of the state to recognize these associations.

    Many unwise and harmful decisions should and are left to the individual. However, society and/or government can and must intervene at times, when a wrong decision will bring tremendous harm to the individual, and even more especially, to society as a whole. These interventions should be limited. Because of the importance of families (a childless couple definitely qualifies), this is one instance where alternative relationships may be left to the state, but should not be mandated. I wish it didn’t have to come to this, but I support a Constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriages, and leave it to the state whether to recognize same-sex civil unions.)

    I oppose the blanket bestowal of all rights that are provided to heterosexual marriages being automatically transferred to homosexual partnerships.” That being said, some rights I have no problem with – for example, property, hospital vistation, medial decisions, power of attorney, and inheritance. One specific right for individuals in a “civil union” I oppose is adoption rights.

    Traditional marriage and civil unions cannot be equated by mere language. Even if there was a law designating a union between two individuals in a homosexual relationship as a “marriage,” it is not a marriage — even if they were to have all the rights a couple in a traditional marriage have. Labeling something as a marriage when it is not a marriage, can not change reality. However, because I value traditional marriage as the ideal, I am against bestowing the label of “marriage” on two individuals of the same gender.

  • leftylurker

    But your points are good.

    Okay, the second argument is weak, but I think there’s at least something there.

    I’m not sure I understand your first point though. Sure, producing biological children aren’t the central point of marriage, but the welfare and state of children are still something in which the state has an interest.

    There have totally been societies where homosexuals were considered insane, or even evil. But there have also been societies, heck, are societies, where it’s very common if not fully accepted. There were societies where incest was the norm as well, I’m more concerned with what data we can find about the effects of those types of relationships.

  • leftylurker

    If Judge Walker had ruled the other way, I think he could have made a compelling rational basis argument.

  • rbdwiggins
  • Martin Knight

    … is Judge Vaughn Walker’s definition of marriage in his Perry decision.

  • K.

    Quite compelling ones. I don’t oppose recognition of same-sex couples because of religion. The single biggest reason I oppose it is because, as Walker acknowledges frankly in his ruling, it is built off of the notion of heterosexual marriage as having nothing to do with gender, off of the man and woman having no differences whatever in their expected roles. By building on that foundation I’m sure the foundation becomes even more difficult to reverse as a result. There is hardly a more explicit confirmation of the end of all traditional gender roles than allowing gay marriage.

    One related article:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0806/Gay-marriage-Why-Judge-Walker-got-Proposition-8-ruling-wrong

  • JamesSmith130

    There are probably five Justices who will support at least a narrower reading of Walker’s decision if they follow their own rulings in the past.

  • rbdwiggins

    and Justice Kennedy will not cross that gapping chasm of lawnessless…

    The Most Egregious Performance Ever by a Federal District Judge

    Following the 2010 mid-terms and the 2012 general, I expect that a major realignment of the Court will occur, empowering a 7-2 conservative majority and ending legislation by judicial fiat for the foreseeable future.