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Of Witchcraft and Masturbation: Who Would Have Thunk It?

That’s right folks.  The Delaware Senate race is defined by allegations of witchcraft and a philosophical/religious debate over masturbation.  Who would have thought this would happen in 2010?  If nothing else, the Republican primary victory by Christine O’Donnell made this a more interesting affair and perhaps the funniest storyline in this election cycle.  How did it all happen?  What brought us to this point?

Until the primary, long time Congressman Mike Castle was the favorite to win not only the nomination, but the Senate seat formerly held by Joe Biden and currently by the retiring Ted Kaufman.  His likely opponent was Chris Coons.  And from January through the primary, Castle led Coons in the polls by as much as 29 points and an average of 18 points.  Put another way, Delaware was more than ready to elect a Republican to the Senate.  But within the Republican Party, like Senators Collins and Snowe from Maine, Castle was, as a Congressman, seen as a pariah…a RINO if you will.  It may be true that Castle often sided with Democrats on certain initiatives.  But the guy did vote against the stimulus after all and Obamacare.  What many fail to possibly realize is that in a state like Delaware, only a moderate Republican stands any chance of victory.  Although the Senate can still fall into Republican control, the task is much more difficult now.  Castle, if nothing else, represented an absolute number as far as the Republican Party was concerned.  Again, one can only think what would happen if Castle won the primary and been elected to the Senate.  Would he have fallen in line with the general Republican agenda?  Could Mitch McConnell, or whoever leads the Party in the Senate, have brought Castle into line with committee assignments or other forms of legislative bribery?  Would Castle have played the role of “maverick” in the Senate and have the Republican leadership constantly seeking out his vote?  What would have happened indeed?

We will never know the answer to those questions.  All we do know is that in Delaware, the cardinal rule of Bill Buckley- choose the most electable conservative- was broken.  Instead, they chose the most conservative candidate regardless of electability.  As a result, Chris Coons, formerly a footnote in Delaware politics, leads O’Donnell by 18 points in the polls.  In one fell swoop, that represents an astonishing 36 swing.  And O’Donnell has done very little to help her cause.  With a late primary, O’Donnell, because of past comments, many taken out of context, is forced to define herself instead of attacking her obviously liberal opponent.  When a candidate has to advertise that they are not a “witch” (and not in the bitchy kind of way, but the broom flying way), they are in some trouble.

But one thing overlooked by the media thus far is Chris Coons.  When he was the candidate against Castle- the projected winner- very little was written or known about him.  Now, attention is focused on him and his liberal agenda.  He can no longer hide behind a definite loss to Castle.  Now, he is the front runner and the media would be well served to investigate this self-professed “bearded Marxist.”  Perhaps O’Donnell’s dabbling in witchcraft at the tail end of a high school date gone bad is much ado about nothing.  What is being missed in this circus is this statement by Coons.  What is missed is that O’Donnell has matured beyond that point in her life while Coons proclaims his Marxism at a time when Marxism is dying around the world.  This comes after his trip to Africa.

Recently, the transcript of Coons at Yale Divinity School has come into question and he has not returned calls to release those transcripts.  What makes this an interesting sideshow is that Coons has stated that his studies there would definitely have an influence on how he voted as a Senator.  But even more interesting is some of the courses taught at the school while Coons was a student.  Courses like Witchcraft, Divination, Marxist Theology, and Black liberation theology.  Taken at face value, it is quite possible that the choice in Delaware is between a witch who frowns upon masturbation against a Marxist in the mold of Saul Alinsky…a white Jeremiah Wright if you will.  It is no wonder Obama is rushing to Delaware to campaign and raise funds for Coons.

This election is not about a candidate’s appearance a decade ago on some liberal comedy show and some off-the-cuff remarks about witchcraft and masturbation.  AIDS in Africa or the efficacy of condom use is not an issue on the minds of voters.  O’Donnell’s “I’m You” commercials are laying the groundwork by defining herself.  Now, she has to define her opponent for the liberal he is.  Delaware is a state where they pay no state income tax or sales tax.  Harping on tax policy is less important in Delaware (of course, they pay federal income tax).  And given the number of businesses incorporated in the State, federal policies, as they affect business, is a winning formula.  If O’Donnell concentrates on federal regulatory control that prohibits or deters innovation and entrepreneurialship, she can make up ground.  If she can show how Obama’s liberal spending policies affects the residents of Dealware to their detriment, then she can make up ground.  And there is no doubt that Coons is a Keynesian candidate who sees the government as the answer to everything.  That is an insult to the fine folks of Delaware.  Where she will not make up ground is by harping on her past and defending ridiculous statements uttered years ago. There is time for that after the election.  Should she somehow pull this out- and I don’t think she can given the lateness of the primary- egg will be all over the faces of the Democratic Party for their selection of Chris Coons.  However, I cannot but help to think that the Republican Party managed to snatch a defeat from certain victory.

In the lone at-large Congressional seat race, this is a blue state.  John Carney will defeat Glen Urqhuart, the Republican nominee, and in fact leads by 16 points in the polls.

COMMENTS

  • JadedByPolitics

    but if you keep trying to pimp it perhaps you can make yourself believe! I understand Buckley BROKE his rule to back Reagan well to the TEA Parties and Conservatives across the Country that “crazy old man” is exactly what they see in the candidates they choose to see and in the Castle’s they see a Ford and that is who they want to THROW OUT!

    • JadedByPolitics

      ..

    • cordpt

      Reagan was clearly electable. How can you argue that Reagan wasn’t electable?

      • texasgalt

        Time Magazine, June, 1980:

        While President Carter confronted Ted Kennedy at the White House, a much more amiable encounter reunited the two most eminent figures in the G.O.P. They had never been friends, and as recently as last March, Gerald Ford had described Ronald Reagan as “unelectable.” But as they strolled out of their meeting near the 13th hole of the Thunderbird Country Club in Palm Springs last week, Ronnie and Jerry looked as if they had been lifelong pals. Smiling and relaxed in a blue blazer and beige slacks, Ford called the talks “very, very constructive.” Said he: “We are establishing a relationship that is vitally important. I pledge myself to campaign wholeheartedly.”

        Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,924192,00.html#ixzz12Wzr2EzZ

    • acat

      As it is, this diary seems unclear about which candidate it wants to go after.. and since there really isn’t a third choice, that’s not a smart approach.

      Mew

      • penguin2

        was clever. Read it a couple of times, and it sure seems to be an ambivalent in tone. Now on my third try, I would see that he is deliberately trying to draw negativity to Christine O’Donnell as the candidate, that he deliberately said at least three times, including his attention getting title, the most negative word choices in referencing her. And then when he says this, he is obviously a pro-Castle man.

        It may be true that Castle often sided with Democrats on certain initiatives. But the guy did vote against the stimulus after all and Obamacare. What many fail to possibly realize is that in a state like Delaware, only a moderate Republican stands any chance of victory. Although the Senate can still fall into Republican control, the task is much more difficult now. Castle, if nothing else, represented an absolute number as far as the Republican Party was concerned. Again, one can only think what would happen if Castle won the primary and been elected to the Senate. Would he have fallen in line with the general Republican agenda? Could Mitch McConnell, or whoever leads the Party in the Senate, have brought Castle into line with committee assignments or other forms of legislative bribery?

        davenj1, the primary is over, O’Donnell is the Republican candidate. Would appreciate it if you would stop trying non so subtly or otherwise to bring her down.

        • texasgalt
        • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

          This is true even when the united force is smaller than the divided one. And with a RINO like Castle who is constantly jumping across the aisle to vote with the Democrats it demoralizes real Republicans and turns Castle into the most powerful man in the Republican Party, because he is the one who saves Democrats from having to vote for their own party’s socialist junk and gives the facade of bipartisanship to partisan socialist legislation. This is a serious election year, and we cannot be bothered with 50%+1 calculations. Our calculations concern whether our smaller force can withstand the Obama juggernaut of executive orders and some of the worst and most opaque legislation ever to enter into this or any other Congress in any of the world’s nations.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    vb

  • Scope

    http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/10/the-ruling-class-hits-christin/

    “Buckley supported Barry Goldwater in the 1965 GOP Presidential nomination, over Nelson Rockefeller and Henry Cabot Lodge, even though they were positioned to beat Liberal LBJ.”

    “Buckley personally challenged liberal Republican Congressman John Lindsay for the N. Y. Mayoral race in 1965.”

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/09/buckley-rule-is-ont-rule.html

    According to the above link, before the O’Donnell primary, no one had ever heard of the “Buckley Rule” until Charles Krauthammer used the phrase with respect to this primary.

    It is also pointed out that Charlies Crist was the “most electable” before Marco Rubio came along. That can apply to many other races across the country as well. No one is unelectable, until they lose an election. So much goes for the Buckley statement that “he would support Goldwater if he thought he could win.” He in fact did support Goldwater.

  • Scope

    than there are against The Bearded Marxist, Coons. Unbelievable how much speculation there is also as to what would have been if Castle won, when he is already history.

    I am in full agreement with the above commentors, this is nothing more than an attempt to further drag O’Donnell through the mud. Shame on you davenj1.

  • Aaron Gardner

    If you are going to act like some reporter then you should at least have correct information.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    O’Donnell only has to attack the banner Coons/Dem banner…and unlike so many, he isn’t even sneaky about it. Delawarans will get the rest. You said it yourself, even a cardboard cutout could win against a hammer and sickle.

    In the process here, and LadyPenguin and Janis are so adept in pointing this out,: a lot of true colors being flown here by commenters as well, elitism trying to pass as calculated analysis, one of my all time favorites.

    It may be true, however, that Delaware may indeed by a state in which over 50% of the voters are predisposed to some form of Marxism, in which case Castle might indeed have been a more suitable representative. You’re simply making that case on the wrong site. HuffPost likes that kind of stuff. So does Kos.

    And if that’s the case, Christine will be renamed St Christine d’Arc, martyred for having pointed that little fact out.

  • rbdwiggins

    from a point of view that is akin to sour grapes.

    It offers no solution, nor lays out a winning strategy, and its sole purpose appears to be: Laying the foundation for a condescending “I told you so.”

  • JSobieski

    If you have helpful campaign suggestions for the candidate, send them to the candidate. Picking apart the campaign in public serves exactly what purpose?

    Rehashing still fresh wounds serves exactly what purpose?

    At best, this diary is navel gazing. At worst, its throwing gas on a fire.

    P.S. “harping” on tax and spending policy is the best way to characterize Coons, reinforce Christine’s status as a serious person, and win the race.

  • davenj1

    To all those critical of my posting, I usually do not respond, but feel obligated to this time. I live in the Philadelphia television market which also reaches Delaware. The point of this posting was simple- Christine O’Donnell will not win no matter how you cut it. Conversely, despite what many thought about Mike Castle- and I also viewed him in less than glowing light- you could have put a cardboard cut out of him on stage with Chris Coons and he still would have been declared the better candidate for Delaware. The only thing that could have kept Castle from winning in Delaware was the Republican Party itself and they proved that axiom correct. Unfortunately, O’Donnell is now- rightly or wrongly- forced to (1) introduce herself, (2) define herself, (3) explain herself, and (4) attack Coons. And all of this after a later in the season primary. I call them like I see them and sorry, but the GOP gave this one away. Thankfully, other states have come into play recently. And yes, Chris Coons is a far left candidate and hopefully he will be in the minority party come January, 2011.

  • penguin2

    about these races, which includes a theme that RS tries to follow – support the Republican in the general election. It really doesn’t matter if our candidate is behind in the polls, or if anyone thinks she or he has a chance of winning; it is important to present a united front. But barring that, you seemed to have gone out of your way to associate unflattering words with her name (which a google search will ping on) and you repeated it several times. I call that giving fodder to the enemy.

    Lisade wrote a good diary today referencing a previous Vassar Bushmills post. It speaks to this very issue that has been raised in the comments here.

    I’ve also said this to some friends and now worth repeating here, “I understand the polls, I understand why you believe as you do, but I do not understand why you cannot pull for her.” Maybe I should add, could you at least try to not to sully her in others eyes?

    One last thought. I’ve read many of your diaries in the past, davenj1, and they have been excellent. You have done wonderful write-ups on races and the possible gains Republicans may make, but this one was disappointing, because we need everyone to pull together and make this work – that is the most important goal at this point.

  • janis

    Why do you feel compelled to join in the beatdown to try and assure that that happens? For my money, all those who can’t just shut their pieholes on this race and let it play out are just trying to be the first in line to yell, ” I TOLD you so, I TOLD you so.”

    Well, as that noted literary lion, Joe Biden, would say, “BFD.” So you told us so. We’re so impressed. Now can you please just shut up and let Christine O’Donnell and her supporters try to win? I know that wouldn’t make you happy, but I don’t care about your happiness. I care about my country and what would make it BETTER. You don’t make it better.

  • Scope

    the voters in DE voted for O’Donnell over Castle. If you remember correctly, many in the GOP have been as vocally against her as you have been in this diary. And yes, this diary of yours comes out close to the top on the google search. If O’donnell loses, which isn’t as sure as you portend, it is still a gain for conservatives, as some very smart voters choose to say- no more RINOS, and, that is a huge victory that hopefully will pull some of those moderates in DC to the right.

  • Jack_Savage

    If Castle was such a great candidate and a great guy and SOOOOO concerned about the country, he would have endorsed O’Donnell. The GOP establishment, in order to have a complete hissy fit, abandoned the candidate that the voters picked. If we lose in Delaware it will be because of these two factors. As a matter of fact, if we give Delaware back to England no one will give a rip.

    Castle has proven himself to be an establishment jerk, and if the majority depended on his election we will simply need to wait for the majority. I would rather have a party and a Senate without people who will stick a shiv in my back at the first opportunity (See: Specter, Arlen).

  • Doc Holliday
  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

    See Jaded’s comment below

    http://www.redstate.com/davenj1/2010/10/16/of-witchcraft-and-masturbation-who-would-have-thunk-it/#comment-293

    Simply put, after O’Donnell won, instead of rallying behind her l, the Delaware GOP leaders and other establishment Republicans immediately started to attack her and cut her down, and stood by over the “witch” smearing. The could have gone on board and said – this is ridiculous and we need to get serious about the issues.

    Instead, they essentially hung out to dry after have taken a few wacks at her.

    As a result, dealing with 1) and 2) – they (D-GOP and R pundits) went out of their way to introduced her to the voters in a negative light – and we know that first impressions are hard to change.

    I have rarely seen such an effort to kneecap from the onset a candidates who’s won your Senate primary (except in some bizarre down-ticket cases where the candidate belongs to the KKK or such, which is not apropos here) .

    Basically, O’Donnell challenged the Republican clique and beat them, and those folks would rather seat a Democrat Marxist in order to try to hang on to power.

    Behavior like this is how democracies fall and dictators come to power.

  • Doc Holliday

    it will be hard to spin it as a victory. Certainly there is someone in DE to the right of Castle with less baggage. Having said that, I agree with you in many ways. this was a wake up call to the party elitists. They remind me of General McClellan, they just have no heart for a fight.

    The Tea Party does not always pick the candidate most likely to win, but neither does the establishment support the most conservative candidate who can win. I am still all in for O’donnell but I admit we must scratch and claw ’til the end if we actually want a win.

  • IJB

    I personally think there’s *no* downside to a 50-50 Senate – in a lot of ways, I’d rather have a 50-50 Senate than a 51R-49D Senate next year.

    So, no matter what, IMO we’re not going to “lose because of O’Donnell”…

  • Scope

    from many other races in the country. I know everyone wants to point to O’Donnell as being a weak link in the chain, but, aren’t there other close, or hard races with others? I agree that some would assuredly blame O’Donnell, but, how can anyone be sure of that. It seems that the elite Republicans have gone all in against her, but, we don’t know if some others, that are not being disparaged, may lose as well.

    I agree with IJB that the best scenario would be a 50/50 Senate. I actually posted, right here on this site that I would like the Dems to hold the Senate by one seat. 50/50 with Biden as the tie breaker is just as good. It is not possible to gain a veto proof Senate in 2010. There aren’t enough D seats up for re-election in 2010. All we need to do is to hold everything up. Wins are wins, but, in some cases winning isn’t everything. I will be very happy to see a major majority in the House, and to watch them pass what they can against the Democrats, and then watch the Democrats hold everything up in the Senate, especially when you will have Collins, Snowe, Graham et al that will undoubtedly side with the Dems at times. Obama then can’t say that it is the R’s that are holding up his agenda. For appearance sake, and in 2012 appearances will matter, it will be the Executive and Senate branches who will be viewed as the party of NO. We can’t do much without a Presidency that will veto anything that a Republican Congress may pass.

    I recently read a piece where Mike Pense also said that it may be difficult to try to pass bills to defund Ocare, Banking Reform and some of the bad bills coming out of the past Liberal Congress. Even if the Repubs remove funding for that bad set of legislation from the budget, where it would have to be defunded, the O won’t sign the budget bill. No matter how we look at it, there is going to be gridlock. It will be up to the Republicans to stand strong, and, shut down government if that is what it takes. I can live easily with a shut down government, can’t you? Newt lost his position with the Contract with America because he folded when the government was shut down. He re-opened the government spending spigot, and lost all his balls when he didn’t stand strong. The rest is history.

  • Doc Holliday

    I know many think they can (false use of the word) “tactically” lose, and strategically win. I know that losing begets losing and winning begets winning.

    I have heard many even say Repubs should not want to win anything so they can blame it all on Obama. They forget that we can lose and still have the Dems, MSM, and NEA blame it on Repubs. The point should be clear, even if you do not agree, I say winning is our job, it is our r’aison d’etre. If we don’t desire victory, then we should just go home.

    I don’t want a 50- 50 Senate with Biden casting the deciding vote. What I want is a Republican Senate setting the agenda. I want Republican committee chairs. I want Republicans fighting the good fight.

  • pilgrim
  • JadedByPolitics

    Karl Rove and the rest of the SORE LOSERS who diminished and attempted to destroy that woman because she beat their guy which btw they were all in on the primary and so now they are doing everything within their power to ensure her defeat to come back to the TEA Party and say “we know better”, well NO YOU DON’T! I as a proud Conservative American I would rather have a Senate that is logjammed with no Castle’s, Specters, etc to flip the vote to the Ds we have played that record over and over and now its being SMASHED into a million little pieces to NEVER be played again!

    This is a center RIGHT Country and we damn well deserve it reflect that and after the last two years of pain there is NOTHING that can be done to us that we cannot undo over the next three election cycles to get back to the center RIGHT Country we are!

  • aesthete

    That’s a bit excessive. Whether you care about them or not, there are a lot of issues that have to do with O’Donnell as a candidate that are dragging her prospecs down. I wish that Castle had endorsed, but it is absurd to say that the race hinged on his endorsement, or support from the national GOP.

  • Doc Holliday

    there is no doubt about that, he is power hungry and nothing more. If he says he wants her to win, he is lying.

  • Scope

    should have no soap box to stand on anywhere, any time. FOX holds him as a darling of the Republican party. He, more than anyone, destroyed the Republican party by moving it into a realm, where the conservatives had not ventured in the past. Oh yeah, Bush was so hated by the left mainly, but, even by many on the right. Who designed the losing strategy- Karl Rove. FOX should be ashamed to have him on their payroll, period. I turn off any show that has the destroyer of the Republican party on their show. God in heaven please save our party from Karl Marx Rove.

  • Scope

    n/t

  • Doc Holliday

    the majority gives you the power to set the agenda. The majority adds hundreds of Republicans who work for the committees. I see no gain in losing, and I have been there. Too many armchair strategists. Winning may not be everything, but losing is not anything.

  • Doc Holliday

    he did not build up the Republican party, he laid waste to it. Rove is a great man in the most of Gorbachev. They were given a task to at the least leave a part intact, but no, they imploded their parties. Nothing new that the media goes for those who are failures, Fox still asks those who ran the Dukakis and Gore campaigns for their wisdom on a regular basis.

  • JadedByPolitics

    who threw their support behind Obama because he was “intelligent” and they thought he would “triangulate”. I am reading David Limbaugh’s book Crimes Against Liberty and I reached the part where “Republicans” Buckley Jr and Doug Kmeic, David Brooks and Francis Fukuyama (supposed NeoCon) all were so brilliant in their own minds that of course via reading Obama’s books took him to be so as well. Karl Rove and his ilk are an affront to the 54% of this Country who ARE Conservative. They are the Ruling Class but WE brilliant Country Classes are going to kick their A**ES, this election and the next 2 to shake up that town……it is WAR!

  • http://Blackberrybear.etsy.com knitwit

    and force the ‘o’ to veto one clear thing at a time, and make him responsible for the shut down. We only get into trouble when we don’t clearly communicate what the bill is, and what it will do, and let it stand on its merits with the people. Reagan used to take the important ones directly to the people and let them decide, and they/we did. Let him be the branch of NO, and sell we the people on why he doesn’t want it. Absolutely NO caving in on our principles, even if Obama threatens to shut down the children until we give in, because we know we ARE taking care of our children and grandchildren by saying NO now.

  • Scope

    don’t forget all the Clinton people there also, like Kirsten Powers et al. I’d actually rather listen to Pat Cadell, the Carter guy. At least he has a smidgeon of sense as to the destruction of the old Democrat party, and recognizes the utter radical left move of the Obamaites. Unfortunately he doesn’t get 10 minutes at FOX, at least what I’ve heard. They seem to favor moderate R’s. and. radical D’s.

  • acat
  • Jack_Savage

    And were the very least she should have gotten.

    The current Democrat rock star is a disgraced, disbarred, impeached ex-President who cannot keep his mouth shut and has had credible charges of rape leveled against him. Barney Frank had a boyfriend run a gay whorehouse out of his residence. Charlie Wrangle should be in jail. Whats-his-name in Illinois is tied tightly to organized crime. Stewart Smalley is the junior Senator from Minnesota. Barbara Boxer is one of the stupidest people to walk the earth, only slightly ahead of Joe Biden and Snooki.. Barack Hussein Obama is as much a Kenyan as he is an American, and has anti-semites, racists, Mao lovers and admitted terrorists as close friends, not to mention the people with whom he has populated the West Wing.

    Tell me again the problems with Christine O’Donnell and why they are grounds for her sure defeat. I would really like to know.

  • acat

    This is why ColdWarrior and the precinct committeeman project matters .. because if enough of the same Delaware citizens who turned out and voted for O’Donnell were to join the party as precinct committeemen, they’d get a vote on the party leadership… and could, therefore, decide things like actually *backing* the candidate…

    Mew

  • aesthete

    All of those people should be out of office, and if I ever become Supreme Overlord of the United States, I’ll remove all of them, posthaste. However, I’m not the one you’re trying to convince: DE voters are, and frankly, it does us no good to pretend that they are of the same mind as we are on that issue. Besides that, that’s a mighty low bar to compare our candidates to: do you really want candidates who are just better than, or who parallel, those examples (especially if they don’t win)? A candidate with financial discrepancies, no record of professional accomplishment, and who can’t keep her story straight on those two things is a flawed candidate. That is completely independent of how flawed the other party’s candidates are, and is a much larger factor than the endorsement of Castle in this race. You’ll notice that Rubio, Paul, Angle, and other Tea Partiers aren’t kvetching about the lack of national support, even though they got shafted just as badly (or worse than) O’Donnell did by the national apparatus. Let’s stop pre-emptively whining about how the GOP/moderates cost O’Donnell her victory, and find ways to make her preside victorious despite her problems as a candidate.

  • Jack_Savage

    “However, I

  • aesthete

    I think two things:

    1) Christine O’Donnell is a very flawed candidate, and has many personal issues weighing her down.

    2) Christine O’Donnell is probably more conservative than Castle, and definitely more conservative than Coons.

    For me, #2 outweights #1. This is true for yourself as well, so if we should ever find ourselves in the peculiar position of picking between Coons and O’Donnell, I think we’d both pick O’Donnell. Other voters, however, tend to find themselves caring more about #1 than #2. Is that dumb? IMO, yes, it is. However, that is reality, and a similarly conservative candidate without O’Donnell’s personal baggage cannot

    I think that this was an extremely counterproductive diary, given that O’Donnell still might have a shot at winning this thing, but I don’t think that it’s too controversial to say that O’Donnell’s personal flaws and idiosyncracies will be a larger determinant of her returns come election day than the endorsement of some generic moderate R (not saying that I agree with Castle’s post-election actions, simply that I don’t see them as having much impact on the race).

  • Jack_Savage

    Who asked Nixon to resign – Republicans or Democrats?

    Who circled the wagons around Clinton?

    It is high time we circled wagons instead of allowing the left to hold us to a higher standard, particularly when the huge personal issues are so trivial.