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Donald Trump– Please Go Away

By: davenj1 (Diary)  |  April 8th, 2011 at 08:22 AM  | 

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      Whenever I hear the possibility of Donald Trump seeking the Republican nomination, or even an independent run, this is the first thought that enters my mind: “Is this the best the party can do?”  The recent WSJ/NBC poll is disconcerting to say the least.  As a person who works for a Trump brand entity, I can safely state that Donald Trump is not the great businessman people think he is and, more appropriately, he thinks he is.  He is a gamer of the system.  Based upon what I know, his plan for an economic recovery may very well be a Chapter 11 reorganization of the federal government in bankruptcy court.  That is the Donald Trump I know.  I also know that after emerging from bankruptcy, he is usually back in bankruptcy court within four years.  Some businessman…

      Unfortunately, the fact that Trump would even place second to the likes of Mitt Romney- no favorite of mine either- is a sad statement on the state of Republican candidates.  Yes, Trump may be a decision-maker when push comes to shove as the article mentioned.  But more importantly, the better question is what is the quality of those decisions?  My understanding and experience is that they generally lack quality.

     Trump is the face of everything that is wrong with corporate America.  While he lives the life of opulence, his workers have gone without raises in four years (in my case)- well before the housing crisis and financial meltdown.  The story of him suing a bank over his Chicago Trump temple project is indicative of Trump’s typical “art of the deal.”  He couldn’t make payments on the loan so he sued them under some obscure contract clause normally reserved for acts of God or the outbreak of war.  That is classic Trump chutzpah!  As an attractor of headlines, he is your man but as President and leader of the free world, it is downright scary.

      Ironically, I have to rely on the conservative voters of the Republican Party to squelch this publicity stunt.  I am no great fan of the evangelical, socially conservative wing of the Party.  They have a role to play, but not at the expense of fiscal conservatism.  I have previously stated, and I stand by those statements, that economic affairs and fiscal policy affects more Americans directly than gay marriage, abortion, and other social issues.  However, I am hoping that in this case the Christian evangelicals turn out in droves in the early primary states if Trump persists in his delusional thoughts, and they send a strong ebuke to this squirrel-haired joke.  I cannot see a twice divorced, admitted philanderer casino owner being endorsed or forgiven by conservatives.  As a poster boy for sleaze, he is fine.  Many, including Trump himself, point out that he is a self-made billionaire and job creator.  Well, Bernie Madoff can make those claims also.

     Should he be thwarted by the Republican Party, there is another problem.  The only thing bigger than his name splattered all over his properties in big red letters is his ego.  He really believes what he says is the truth.  Obama may fancy himself the Messiah, but he better look out because there is another self-proclaimed Messiah in town.  An independent run would achieve very little beyond pulling votes away from a real Republican.  Why on earth should we let Obama off the ropes?  A Trump Presidential run would not only let him off the ropes, but we may as well hand him the keys to the White House.  Today, Democrats are probably salivating at the prospects.

      If Donald Trump really wants to make America better, then he should just fade into the political background.  Everyone has a right to express their political views, but not everyone is qualified to be President.  This is a man who thinks Meatloaf, Gary Busey and the other Jackson sister are actual celebrities for crying out loud.  That should say a lot right there.  Trump’s real role is to screw stock and bondholders and investors, produced bad television shows and put on beauty pageants.  In the menatime, can a real candidate please step forward?

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  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Trump is a LOSER. He’s a few billion TARP dollars away from living under an interstate highway overpass.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • renny

    and there is not yet any front runner favorite.

    You think some messiah is going to pop out of the woodwork and take on Obama and the Democrat juggernaut and fit the perfect specifications you have dream up in your night visions?

    It won’t happen. And you should remember the Stones’–you can’t always get what you want, but sometimes you can get what you need.

    We NEED someone to win. Period.

    Trump comes with many negatives, but he has NAME recognition–since most people do not read or care about Redstate and watch Dancing With the Stars for culural enlightenment, name recognition in the voting booth is a HUGE plus;

    Trump comes with a strong business background–whether or not he has a perfect history, he has dealt with zoing laws, politicians, people on the make, celebrities, and the whole range of types someone has to learn to handle while in the public eye;

    Trump is not afraid of the media and not owned by the MSM–whether a positive of not, Trump is willing to say what interests him and what compels him, and you may not like every iota of what he says and does, but he has the guts to to it.

    If Trump gets the nomination, I will work and vote for him. The same for Palin or Huckabee or Romney or whoever else. I don’t have a favorite because the Reps. offer a pack of mediocrity that doesn’t command devoted attention yet.

    But don’t start that I-am-too-pure-to-vote-for-McCain refrain that ran all through cons. sites in 2008, because those mantras contributed mightily to Mac’s loss and Obama’s appointing two idiots to the Supreme Court.

    • http://twitter.com/biggator5 BigGator5

      We honestly need Trump. I’ll sit out on election day than vote for either him or Obama.

    • Ann_W

      People weren’t convinced that he really embraced the ideas of the Republican party, but he had so much name recognition– as a Republican he had to be better than the Democrat, right. That didn’t work out too well for the people of California.

    • Jim

      “But don

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    His chance of being the nominee are somewhere between a negative number and a quantum state of unbeing.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      Schroedinger’s Cat?

      • acat

        Clearly, it’s a wolverine.

        http://sweasel.com/archives/8046

        Mew

    • Tbone

      I think Trump’s willingness to articulate the concerns of something over 20% of the electorate may be getting him poll results undeserved by the buffoon.

      Like it our not, the birther issue has to be viewed as a political issue just as if 20% of voters believed the moon was made of green cheese, that would an issue as well.

      • acat

        My question is how far the birther issue can carry Trump. The first primaries are over 12 months away, and it’s likely not all the candidates are even in the race yet.

        I’m still thinking this is somehow either innoculating Obama against the birthers by spinningTrump off to find .. nothing…. or it’s to weaken Obama for someone else to win the Dem primary.

        Mew

        • Tbone

          but he does have the money to go after all of Obama’s records. That is when life will get interesting.

          McCain was not willing to go after Obama as the “Man from Nowhere”, meaning all of his records. I think that it is plausible that had done that, given the obvious resonance it holds with voters, he just may have swung 3-4 %.

          • acat

            I’m not sure McCain going after Obama as “the man from nowhere” would have made any difference…

            McCain was, after all, the *second* candidate to have to consider the issue… Hillary was the first. If Team Clinton couldn’t figure out how to make it stick to The Won, McCain didn’t have a prayer. To be blunt, McCain is not half as politically gifted as Bill Clinton.

            It’s much, much easier now, with Obama’s “feet of clay” plainly evident, to make the case that Obama is not who he says he is. In the time of the Barakopolis, it would have been twisted as some combination of desparation and racism to play the birther card.

            Mew

          • congressworksforus

            I’m tired of the “if Hilliary’s campaign couldn’t make it stick it can’t be true” argument. There’s a very plausible argument for why they might have known but couldn’t play the card.

            For that, you have to ask one simple question: If he wasn’t born in Hawaii, how come he has a Hawaiian certificate of live birth?

            Then, you dig a little into the things that went on when Hawaii became a State, and you realize that revealing Obama’s “problem” pulls back the curtains on a far bigger problem that goes to the very heart of the Democrat Party.

            And no way the Clintons were ever going to destroy their own party, no matter how much Hillary wanted the White House.

            Let me reiterate before anyone jumps off the deep end:

            Plausible.

          • acat

            Bimbo eruptions don’t indicate someone who likes men, straw or otherwise. Just sayin’.

            The point I was making re. Team Clinton and Team McCain not being able to make the birther issue stick to Obama was not that there’s no “there” there – although at this point it hardly matters. The problem wasn’t the issue, it was the timing. By the time both realized they needed to dig in and use the issue, it was too late – it would have appeared as a desperation play.

            By putting it in the water early, though, Trump isn’t necessarily helping his own case – he could either be inoculating Obama by being willing to have an “Al Capone’s Vaults” moment – or he could be setting up to sink Obama in the Dem primary.

            As far as the issue goes, it has two big problems. First, prove his mother revoked her citizenship. If she didn’t, then .. he’s a citizen. Second, any evidence found at this point wouldn’t make it to the Supreme Court before the 2012 election… so it may become a historical footnote, but not result in President Biden.

            The best result may be a State – and it’d only take one – enacting a law requiring candidates for POTUS to prove their right to be on the ballot. That could be done prior to 2012…

            Mew

          • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

            Soros merely switched from one to the other when he figured out that being labeled a sexist in America is nowhere near as damaging as being labeled a racist — and therefore Obama would lock up all those liberal “guilt” votes in a way that Hillary could not. And for all the feminists’ protests against Obama, most voted for him anyway because they knew that he would preserve their All-Sacred All-Important right to kill babies before birth.

            And considering the way McCain pulled all punches and threw the election, it’s worth noting that he, too, received money from Soros. (via McCain’s Reform Institute)

          • Common_Cents

            I remember a preemptive strike on McCain’s eligibility by the left. Wonder why.

        • chihank

          The birther issue is just a gimmick to get him attention. It has a shelf life of a couple months. By then Trump will move to the next gimmick to woo conservatives.

  • LibertarianHawk

    IMO, we have several good candidates from which to choose. The problem, in my estimation, is that many conservatives are too focused on why they shouldn’t support this or that particular candidate rather than why they should.

    And when you evaluate candidates that way, it’s easy to come to a conclusion of “none of the above” — because it’s easy to find fatal flaws in just about anybody…when that’s what you’re looking for.

    Pence, Ryan, Christie….they aren’t running. Forget about them.

    Let’s work on evaluating the candidates we do have….or else we’re going to find ourselves on the losing end of another election.

    My guy is Daniels. Yes, I’m well aware of the conservative arguments against him — and, while I respect them, I ultimately reject them.

    If Daniels doesn’t run, then I’m looking most closely at Pawlenty or Huntsman.

    • LibertarianHawk

      I really wish we had an “edit” feature. Sorry, carry on.

  • congressworksforus

    Like him or not, he’s up front about who he is. He tells it like it is. I don’t know if he’ll run, or if he did, if he could win the nomination, but I will say that it will make for some lively debates.

    When any of the other candidates start tap-dancing around an issue, and we’re all thinking “BS”, Trump will come out and say “BS”. It will almost certainly cost him the nomination, but it will also result in one of the other candidates stepping out and calling BS too. (Herman Cain, are you listening?)

    And all the comments about his bankruptcy issues — we’re broke; who else to lead us through it than someone who has been there, done that, got the (very expensive, hand-sewn, American-grown cotton) T-shirt…

  • Common_Cents

    but someone will shine in the primaries and get the excitement going. It might even be an advantage not to have a clear frontrunner at this point to keep the other side from formulating a dirty cheap attack plan, like they only know how to do.

  • pcyoung

    For those who do not consider Donald Trump as a viable contender for the presidency; I would like to better understand what characteristics and capabilities constitute a viable candidate.
    For me Donald Trump would be one of the better candidates is because he has a great deal of experience in business.
    Those of you that have not been paying attention, business skills are EXACTLY what we need in a candidate at this particular juncture.
    Keywords: Economy, financial crises, deficit, fiscal responsibility, cost cutting, job creation, free market.
    It is also because he personally feels offended at the lack of respect other countries show us. The fact that no other politician seems to give a rats behind about our continuing slide into the depths of economic decline gives pause to consider this is one very important incentive.
    Further , and probably most importantly, it is because (as many have pointed out he is not as successful as he portrays himself to be) he has failed and he has honored his debt. Who among you can say that your rebound from financial disaster was followed by repaying all of your debts because he is a man that others TRUSTED with his WORD.
    Donald Trump does not need to be a highly successful businessman to be a successful leader for our country. That he has failed and recovered without losing confidence, blaming others or blaming the system. He recovered the old fashioned way. He Earned his way back.
    Donald Trump has experience and he has the drive and determination to succeed and is motivated by a desire to correct the ills of the country.
    I do not think anyone would be foolish enough to take on the presidency because they wanted to ascend to a position of power. Anyone with any intelligence can see the visible signs of aging that devours those who have taken office. It would appear to be one more of public service out of a conviction to do what is right.
    There still are people who believe in right and wrong and are willing to act upon that. Donald Trump may be the best candidate for the horrific economic plight we are in.
    We all need to ask if another politician will make the best next president. Lets consider some of the better presidents and what they did before becoming president.
    I have had it with career politicians. You never have any idea how successful they are in real life. Donald Trump is the exception and I believe given the qualifications of any other potential candidates that having a legitimate resume is not the best qualifier for candidacy that I can think of.
    I will reconsider my position of support for Donald Trump if you can point out to me which politician it is that has admitted failure public ally?

    At least we know he was born in the USA.
    There is one attribute that I respect a great deal and that is how he raised his children. They are productive and successful. How rare is it that someone can be successful in life and whose children are also successful (not druggies, alcoholics, failures in other ways)
    Those who find too many negatives in those who
    Two have been Generals in great wars. The resume of the first would indicate the man could not do anything successfully. The second one who was considered too indecisive, too bureaucratic and too interested with getting people to get along and compromise. Yet Eisenhower was probably the best administrator for this country.
    If Donald Trump is not a successful capitalist then I do not know who is. He might be the best choice for a nation in collapse. Again, no one else is bothered by the jeers and the lack of respect of America that burns Donald Trump up. I would consider this makes the man a genuine patriot.
    I know that I am embarrassed by our failing position in all areas. I am no longer as proud to be an American as I once was. We are still that experiment and like all experiments it can still go wrong!

  • pcyoung

    An article (if it can be called that) derated Donald Trump with a Grade of D regarding his Media aptitude or traits. One of the criticisms that I read was disappointing on the larger plane of my respect for American voters.
    The issue was in Donald Trump using too pessimistic language. I know that American’s are preoccupied with distractions and entertainment. That many wish to be lured into believing only the positive aspects of reality and will kill the messenger when bad news is communicated by good people.
    If we, as a nation, are so immature as to not realize how deep this river of excrement our country is in that we would only wish to vote for someone who used good words: then we as a nation will never be able to resurrect our country into the great nation it once was before.
    We are no longer respected and we have become the laughing stock of the world. I do not find these words menacing or too harsh or pessimistic and I believe we need a wake up call and for someone to call it like it is.
    If anything we need to stop being afraid of being afraid. Some good ole fear mongering at this time might be the only thing to save our country from the certain hell it will face when the money dries up and there is no one there any longer and the real world finally seeps beyond our carefully constructed borders and there is no place to go to hear those nice words , those positive words because we will be too busy trying to stay alive.
    We have become Far too fat , dumb and pathologically immune and impervious to reality if that analysis reflects reality.

    I hope it is not true. We need a good dose of reality. Would you rather have your doctor tell you the happy news using positive words that don;t offend you or find out the harsh truth so you can take action to maximize your chances for survival?
    The truth and nothing but the truth so help me?! God.
    If anything will be on our country’s tombstone as an epitaph it will read “American Story: PG-13 Edited for Television”

  • renny

    is he would be able to go after little o in ways professional pols are afraid to do for fear of libels of racism.

    McCain never really attacked o and his “hope and change” and even at one point endorced o as a “decent man” and successful senator, when the creep had spent 143 days in the Sen. in six years, and had in that time managed to send $3 million a day to IL and Chicago, and vote against the surge in Iraq, restructuring in Medicare, and any changes in abortion law.

    If Trump has recently changed in his position on abortion, as long as he is not kow towing to the so-called feminists on abortion, his position is a plus with me.

    Some think Trump is just making noises and will never go through with being a “real” candidate. Whichever, he brings interest and color to a field distinguished most for being over-crowded and lackluster.

    Bring the candidates on, because we need a bright light to win in 2012.

  • america1st

    Trump draws from “The Apprentice” persona; there is no depth to the individual or his campaign. Any bright light turned on his history and / or business practices will burn away the initial attraction like dew under the morning sun, ending this “candidacy.”

    Either The Donald has finally been consumed by his own elephantine ego or this is no more than a relatively cheap publicity stunt to put his mug in front of a larger public. I believe he is far too given to cold cynicism for this to be any more than one of his trademark Machiavellian maneuvers.

    Trump has never done anything to benefit anyone but himself. Public Service ???? Please!

    For all their vaunted political acumen, slick & shrill clinton had not the financial resources at Trump’s command. While minor league compared to some of those bankrolling the ambulatory Peter Principle, he has plenty enough to assault the walls barry soetoro erected around his pre-Chicago life. Where others were largely limited to courtroom maneuvers, Trump’s personal finances transcend such an involuntary restraint.

    I don’t know what can be gleaned from a thorough investigation of soetoro’s origins and pre-Chicago path, but I’m very certain it will contravene significant elements of the personal persona “legend” so carefully crafted to hide the truth about this feckless, pusillanimous fraud.

    As a candidate, Trump is almost as bad a joke as barry-o . . . but as the sharp tip to pierce the facade of legitimacy wrapped around this sanctimonious fourth rate failure? Perfect.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    will never be able to buy the election. He would suck up all the media oxygen He would become an ruthless attack machine on Obama, in which he would get a nice bounce . He will eventually go down to defeat because a guy with a big ego like his couldn’t do small town hall meetings and take questions from all “the little people” . He will schedule big rallies where liberal trolls will attend to make a media moment for themselves at Trump’s expense. It will be the campaign that wasn’t.

  • whoframedrudy

    “Trump

  • http://itsaboutliberty.com bigalsouth

    Sure, old Donald jumped out in a poll and why not? He has it all: The Trophy Wife, The Billions, The Ballsy NY Accent, the TV Show. The Hair. Honestly, what more could you ask for in this American Idol Culture that picked a half-black unknown with buckets of charm and the ability to read a speech. Like gravitas means anything on the First Tuesday in November!

    I can see Trump now, standing on the pitching deck of a US warship off the coast of the latest ME Hellhole, with cameras focused on his scowling face, summoning salvos of Cruise and Tomahawks “You’re fired!, You’re fired!” “You’re fired!” Bully good! It would be as if old Teddy Roosevelt had been resurrected from the grave!

    Ahhh, until then, let The Donald be the political equivalent of a Kamakazi pilot crashing onto the deck of the USS Barack Obama.

    What greater theatre! Better than American Idol, Baybee!!!

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • Marcus_Traianus

    it seems to me he is a pretty good beguilement for Obama. They are all tied-up in knots responding to him. That has to be useful for something.

    Not a serious candidate, but a person with some moxie, business savvy and successful real-life experience. At this point, he certainly serves a purpose, unlike some of the other pretenders seeking the golden ring.

    Would I vote for him? Nah. But at least he has some stones. That’s a refreshing change. Maybe Romney and Pawlenty can take some lessons because “nice” isn’t going to win the next election.

  • ohtimtim

    campaign that Obama ran. However when you face an opponent who ran such a non-campaign like McCain did and never attack your opponent, plus you have such a great October Surprise as a collapsing economy, I think it is fairly easy to win. While I know nothing about Donald Trump, my impression is that he knows far more about Chicago Style politics than Obama. It might be good to have someone like that on our side for once.
    As far as him being a “birther”, it is a weak point that Obama has with a substantial number of voters and therefore a valid area of attack. Besides, I would assume that by actually declaring his candidacy for President, Trump would then have legal standing to force Obama to disclose his birth certificate. If Obama doesn’t or can’t then for Trump it’s check and game.

  • ruexperienced

    Donald Trump is a business executive, like Mitt Romney. (plus they both have blow dried hair)

    Trump has as many wives as Newt Gingrich.

    Trump is a reality show star like Sarah Palin.

    He is not afraid to mix it up like NJ Governor Cristie.

    Plus he is now a prolife Christian like Mike Huckabee.

  • SoulEspresso

    I saw a comment on Ace’s site a few months back that I’m building on.

    The terminology comes from MMO games like World of Warcraft. In cooperative play, every individual serves one of three roles: 1) Tank: attract the attention of enemies and draw those enemies away from the other members of your party; 2) Heal: use spells, etc., to restore your party’s life meters and 3) Damage-Per-Second (DPS or deeps): do as much damage to enemies in the shortest period of time.

    The comment at Ace’s pointed out that Sarah Palin serves as a tank. The left hates her and does everything they can to damage her, but they haven’t been able to “kill” her politically.

    To borrow the thought, Trump is a DPS guy. The birther issue used to be one of whether he was eligible to serve, which is now moot. Today it’s more of an issue of the question, “Since we know he was born in Hawaii, what is he actually hiding?” (The latest I saw was that he doesn’t want people to know that Frank Marshall Davis was his real father, ha ha ha!)

    It’s a dumb attack, but if it works to lower Obama’s favorability in the electorate over time, it will be that much easier for Pawlenty to win the general in 2012. :-P

  • jamo

    I’m scarred to death that the GOP is going to nominate Romney, Pawlenty, or even McCain again. THey hate conservatives.

    I’m glad Trump is around. I agree with most he says. I believe he could generate some pro-American foreign policy and trade deals. If he continues to show conservative stripes, and to talk truth to power, I’m glad he’s there.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    Y’all might want to take a look at this piece:
    http://politicular.com/2011/04/independent-impact/
    The writer’s theory is that Trump’s endgame is to run as an independent and split the Republican vote, siphoning off enough votes on the Right to hand Obama another 4 years.