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		<title>By: nessa</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, OK, you had to tell me twice, sorry.  I'll get the Nostradamus thing polished up by COB on Sunday and start organizing my thoughts on the hopelessness and despair thing for posting as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, OK, you had to tell me twice, sorry.  I&#8217;ll get the Nostradamus thing polished up by COB on Sunday and start organizing my thoughts on the hopelessness and despair thing for posting as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Holliday</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-1026</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Holliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I wont put an accent circonflexe above the E because I really don't care enough to go all Frenchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I wont put an accent circonflexe above the E because I really don&#8217;t care enough to go all Frenchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Holliday</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Holliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tbone is only a trouble maker, that is his r'aison detre here.  He is living on borrowed time because he has been here so long and because he throws a compliment or two around to directors/old timers when he knows he has gone too far.   Actually this is fairly standard deep cover troll practice, people should not fall for it....but they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tbone is only a trouble maker, that is his r&#8217;aison detre here.  He is living on borrowed time because he has been here so long and because he throws a compliment or two around to directors/old timers when he knows he has gone too far.   Actually this is fairly standard deep cover troll practice, people should not fall for it&#8230;.but they do.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a diary. 

Expand on this and post it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a diary. </p>
<p>Expand on this and post it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: beenyweenies</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator>beenyweenies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Indeed. The focus in this thread has been on some people's need to be babied by government, but the quote above points the way to the real problem. Avarice, ambition etc. form the backbone of modern American capitalism, and far too many people follow the "greed is good" doctrine. They simply cannot be governed under a system that relies on individual responsibility and moral action.

Farmer to farmer, all is fair, but when huge, well moneyed interests inflict harm on the general public only the government can successfully defend the people. This is, after all, why our government was formed in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. The focus in this thread has been on some people&#8217;s need to be babied by government, but the quote above points the way to the real problem. Avarice, ambition etc. form the backbone of modern American capitalism, and far too many people follow the &#8220;greed is good&#8221; doctrine. They simply cannot be governed under a system that relies on individual responsibility and moral action.</p>
<p>Farmer to farmer, all is fair, but when huge, well moneyed interests inflict harm on the general public only the government can successfully defend the people. This is, after all, why our government was formed in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin_Case</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin_Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm guessing that, under cap and trade, those of us who do burn wood will be taxed for having a wood stove. Much like the charcoal grills in The Netherlands. Or is it Belgium? 

I guess I thread jacked the thread jack. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing that, under cap and trade, those of us who do burn wood will be taxed for having a wood stove. Much like the charcoal grills in The Netherlands. Or is it Belgium? </p>
<p>I guess I thread jacked the thread jack. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was comedic gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was comedic gold.</p>
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		<title>By: Tbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is just a lame retort. You need to write something clever. No, that ain't going to happen. OK, maybe you need to go find something clever you can copy and paste. Nope, we would lose you forever. Perhaps you could hire someone to write something clever. Yep, that's it, hire someone who is clever.

How much are you willing to pay and what is your login?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is just a lame retort. You need to write something clever. No, that ain&#8217;t going to happen. OK, maybe you need to go find something clever you can copy and paste. Nope, we would lose you forever. Perhaps you could hire someone to write something clever. Yep, that&#8217;s it, hire someone who is clever.</p>
<p>How much are you willing to pay and what is your login?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tbone</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator>Tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I ever need to get rid of my Aaron I have written guarantee from CompoundW and I'll let "Judy" Holliday apply it in that he is back down there anyway.

But for now there is no better plaything than someone who is richly earnest and totally humorless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I ever need to get rid of my Aaron I have written guarantee from CompoundW and I&#8217;ll let &#8220;Judy&#8221; Holliday apply it in that he is back down there anyway.</p>
<p>But for now there is no better plaything than someone who is richly earnest and totally humorless.</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to trip up many a relationship's success.  Most people think that if you answer "Yes" then you are agreeing to the use of these items. Unfortunately, the way the question is worded means that a "Yes" answer is giving your permission to have those used ON you.

As to trust being an issue, isn't it always?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to trip up many a relationship&#8217;s success.  Most people think that if you answer &#8220;Yes&#8221; then you are agreeing to the use of these items. Unfortunately, the way the question is worded means that a &#8220;Yes&#8221; answer is giving your permission to have those used ON you.</p>
<p>As to trust being an issue, isn&#8217;t it always?</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>work along the lines of the dentures that George Washington is said to have suffered wearing, but your interpretation works just as well.  As does the mental image of living under a bridge somewhere and having only old wooden pallets to construct a shelter.

So there you go, we've covered the effects of Health Care Reform, Cap and Trade and the mortgage industry!  We are nothing if not efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>work along the lines of the dentures that George Washington is said to have suffered wearing, but your interpretation works just as well.  As does the mental image of living under a bridge somewhere and having only old wooden pallets to construct a shelter.</p>
<p>So there you go, we&#8217;ve covered the effects of Health Care Reform, Cap and Trade and the mortgage industry!  We are nothing if not efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>question...


....trust was always an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>question&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;.trust was always an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-940</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...especially when couples will have to go out together in the winter under cover of darkness, foraging for trees to chop down and drag back home to heat their houses under Cap and Trade and its sucessors.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Love is a many splintered thing&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;especially when couples will have to go out together in the winter under cover of darkness, foraging for trees to chop down and drag back home to heat their houses under Cap and Trade and its sucessors.</p>
<blockquote><p>Love is a many splintered thing</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that asked 628 questions whose answers guaranteed that you and your beloved would not agree on whether the sun rose in the east and set in the west?

Love is a many splintered thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that asked 628 questions whose answers guaranteed that you and your beloved would not agree on whether the sun rose in the east and set in the west?</p>
<p>Love is a many splintered thing.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that matched me up with my ex-wife...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that matched me up with my ex-wife&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>up by the same matchmaking outfit that put Gamecock and Becker together---- eSteelCageDeathMatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>up by the same matchmaking outfit that put Gamecock and Becker together&#8212;- eSteelCageDeathMatch</p>
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		<title>By: scottbomb</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/david_hinz/2009/07/05/have-we-become-the-people-our-founding-fathers-warned-us-about/#comment-935</link>
		<dc:creator>scottbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished two college gov't classes and although the textbooks spoke about the Constitution at length (chock full of the liberal opinions of the authors), nowhere was the Constitution itself even printed. How do you publish a college text called "American Government" without including the Constitution?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished two college gov&#8217;t classes and although the textbooks spoke about the Constitution at length (chock full of the liberal opinions of the authors), nowhere was the Constitution itself even printed. How do you publish a college text called &#8220;American Government&#8221; without including the Constitution?!</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just curious....are you two married?  I mean to each other, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just curious&#8230;.are you two married?  I mean to each other, of course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a shame really because I agree with you on most subjects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a shame really because I agree with you on most subjects.</p>
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