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Conversations with an internal pollster for Obama…

Very enlightening indeed!

Bumped and promoted from the diaries. — Erick

I have an interesting story to relay that took place earlier this week between my boss (a senior VP in the company I work for) and one of the Obama campaigns’ internal pollsters.

Just to note, my boss is a republican and was meeting the Obama rep over lunch for other reasons. Politics obviously came up due to his line of work.

He asked my boss what her political leanings were and they did some chit chat around the issues and the impressions each had on the state of the race. What happened next was more than fascinating and should be a reminder to all of us to buck up and remain strong. All is not lost. In fact, we may be in a much better spot than we think – despite the national polls and what the daily media drumbeat to give up.


He asked my boss what she thought about Sarah Palin. While my boss is a republican she hasn’t been nearly as enamored with her as most of our base. She noted concern about Sarah’s experience, but said that she is still voting for McCain.

As she was explaining her perspective it dawned on her to ask why he (the Obama internal pollster) was interested in her view of Palin. He replied that Obama’s campaign is extremely nervous about the energized republican base and what he called the “unkown factor” regarding Palin’s draw as a candidate.

In the polls they’re conducting around the country, and my boss wasn’t able to relay specific numbers, the Obama campaign is very, very worried about how Palin appears to be energizing whole groups of people who don’t typically get energized about politics, precisely because she appeals so strongly to the middle class, as well as women and dissatisfied republicans that stayed home in 2006.

More than that, they don’t know how to guage and predict the support of people typically turned off by politics, but that are enamored with her “up from the bootstraps” appeal.

I say all of this because this pollster conveyed strong concern about their standing going into the homestretch. They are very concerned about winning the vote of the middle class and whole swaths of the electorate they consider the “unkowns.” In fact, and based on her conversation with this internal pollster for Obama, he’s not ahead in the polls as we’re being told. He’s at best tied.

Look, take it for what it is. But what I know is that we’re being sold a bill of goods by the media. Why? Not to be conspiratorial, but they likely just want to dispirit us, precisely because Obama has yet to seal the deal. He should be way ahead this season, but he’s not.

I’ll close by saying that we have several weeks left. The Obama camp internally knows they haven’t wrapped this thing up. Let’s keep on fighting (and even if we have to drag McCain over the finish line – as Rush fondly exhorts us to do – let’s do it) and let’s win this thing!

COMMENTS

  • Question_Assumptions

    This is why they’ve been so intent on destroying Palin and making her look like an idiot and in some cases, it’s working. That’s why the RNC and McCain need to run ads highlighting her accomplishments (gas pipeline, spending cuts, bi-partisanship, ethics by turning in corrupt members of her own party, taking on the oil companies — even if that last one isn’t always popular with the right), experience (governor, oil and gas commission, mayor), and contrasts with Obama (visited wounded troops in Germany, actually has bipartisan accomplishments) with specifics and details. If they lift up Sarah Palin, they will lift up the McCain/Palin ticket.

  • Stuckinmichigan

    I have no doubt that this is the case. All of these poll internals weighted democrat, are not counting Sarah bringing out a monsterous GOP turnout. How are her favorables down to 30% yet she pulls in bigger crowds than Obama?And if you want to see how scared they are just watch any news program not on Fox. If they were up by 10 points or even 6, do you think they would still be devoting whole shows to bashing Sarah?

    I would be willing to bet my life savings that GOP turnout is within a point or two of dem turnout. And if that is the case then the good guys win! This election is a monster that no pollster or insider has ever witnessed. A black guy and a rural woman both going at it in the same year equals nothing analyzed matters until election day.

    • Franc

      I work with a female moderate Dem. She wanted Hillary and loathes Obama. She will be voting McCain. I was pretty quiet about Palin and waited to hear what she thought. She is from PA. She said she liked Sarah and that she *“spoke to the avg person.”* **

      She did not agree with every position but liked her. Another dynamic I think should terrify Obama is the PUMA or Hillary voters. Women in office settings and outside are more social creatures. They interact more then men and they usually have more solidarity. Hillary has been very cordial towards Sarah and vice versa. I think Bill said some nice things too. The Clintons and their supporters do not like Obama and Obama hijacked “their” party. They also think Obama treated Hillary and her supporters badly. My guess is a lot of these Hillary ladies like Sarah and will vote for her. The hard core feminists or pro abortion crowd may not but many women will. Sarah is very likeable. I would say the Obama people are probably very worried about this.

      I doubt the pollsters are able to determine the intentions of the female Hillary voters which must drive Obama’s pollsters crazy.

      Sarah attracts white women plus white men that Obama needs. The men find Sarah pretty easy on the eyes too. I am sure Sarah also attracts male and females from other ethnic groups as well.

      I also agree that Sarah may energize people that have been jaded by politics. She is not an attorney or Senator. She worked her way up and is capable. I think there is an element of Mr. Smith or Mrs. Palin goes to Washington in her story. It helps that Sarah is an outsider and that Congress has a 10% favoribility rating.

  • Nahanni

    One could tell this simply by observing what the Democrats and the Obamamessiah have been doing these past few weeks.

    1. ACORN-The Dems know they are not doing well with all of us “bitter clingers” and “redneck racist morons” in the swing states. So what do they do? Send ACORN in to toss hundreds of thousands of false voter registrations in order to swamp the state government regulatory machinery. They are hoping enough duplicate/phony voters get through to win at least some of these states for the Obamamessiah. I would not be a bit surprised to find out that they have multi state absentee voters and they even have their European “activist” buddies flying in armed with false voter registration cards to go vote in places like Ohio where the state government will not check to see if they are even American citizens because that might be “racist”. I would not be surprised to see a traffic jam in between Gary, IN and Chicago on election day, too.

    2. The MSM-From the groupie like behavior of these “journalists” to the companies refusing to air ads that oppose the Obamaessiah the whores in the MSM are truly giving everything they got to get their Obamamessiah “elected”. This is the last gasp of the dying dinosaurs. This will be the last election where the MSM plays any major role in because the only ones who will believe a word they say are the ones who are already inclined to do so.

    3. The race card carpet bombing-From John Murtha calling his own constituents “racists” to the Obmamamessiah’s wife calling every white American who does not vote for her holy husband a racist you know they are getting desperate. Why? Because they know that this has a very high chance of backfiring in places where they can not afford for it to do so. Places like Ohio, Pennslyvania, Maine, Minnesota. They are playing with Plutonium here.

    4. The push polling-If the Obamamessiah was doing as well as the Democrats and the MSM say he is why flagrant push polling? Push polling of this nature is meant to get ignorant voters to “jump on the bandwagon”.

    5. The NSDAP style tactics to silence all opposition to the Obamamessiah-Yes, I am breaking Godwin’s law but it is the truth of the situation. The thuggery we have seen out of the Democrats and the Obmamatrons is straight out of the NSDAP playbook.

    • JSobieski

      The state of Alaska was a market participant as they say.

      No problems on the right with tough negotiators.

  • mbauer

    It seems like every poll has been adjusted to compensate for the new enthusiasm that Obama is bringing to youth and black voters. I don’t think there is any scientific way to gauge enthusiasm. With your insite in mind, I think I’ll put more trust into gallup’s traditional model method and assume we have the same ability to energize as the dems. Thanks for the post.

    • Strelnikov

      This was mentioned a few days ago on local Ohio talk radio: a report that several MSM polls were assuming that 18-30 year-old voters were finally going to appear in large numbers and vote for Big Brobama, were assuming that Dem turn-out will be 90% because of all the “enthusiasm” for Big Brobama,
      were assuming alternatively that Republican turn-out will be 50% because Republicans are not as enthusiastic,
      and were assuming that people who changed party ID (mainly to Dem) will stay that way (Ignoring Operation Chaos!).

      Intrade has Big Brobama winning by 80%. Does anyone doubt that the 70 M-&-Billionaires from Soros’ Phoenix group would not be skewing that with some pocket change?

  • itrytobenice

    The campaign needs to get her out on TV more. She plays remarkably well when she is in casual conversation.

    None of those two day – edit as you please – interviews. Just give them 15 minutes and require that they play it unedited as a condition of getting her.

    Even the left wing media monsters would jump at the chance, partly because they would try to trip her up, but partly because they need the money ratings bring in.

    • PaRep

      have been posting about for weeks
      5555555 Recommended HEARTILY

      • James_Reynolds

        at they way Barak shrugged off and just had the smirky smile when John asked him to repudiate what Lewis said. When Barak tried to slam it into McCain on his supporters comments, McCain basically said look your supporters call us names and nothing is said, they wear obscene shirts yet you don’t remove them, no one has accused you of insuing violence, and I amnot going to let you lable my supportrs as anything but patratioc because of a limited select few. Obama had no reply just kinda giggled. Do we really want a president like that.

        • PaRep

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          • streetwise

            Swings of 5 are NOTHING SPECIAL!

          • Lammo

            I’m going to get a lot of mileage out of this one. Thanks!

          • streetwise

            They love them because they overstate their vote, creating an air of inevitability re a Dem victory.

            In mid Oct this poll had Clinton over Dole 56% to 37%

            Final result Clinton 49% Dole 41%

            http://www-cgi.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/polls/cnn.time/101196/index01.shtml

            h/t free republic

          • Lammo

            than the McCain and Rossi (for WA governor) stickers on my Civic Hybrid!

          • aaronbg

            I totally agree with you….Obama does not have character…he is a character…or better a caricature. Could you imagine him speaking with a hostile foreign leader via a translator and him reacting the way he did last night? He smirks and scoffs and his body language is very disrespectful. This man is a total disgrace!!

          • popdaddy

            I’m not sophisticated enough to know what PUMA stands for but we do actually have a democrat that lives in our neighborhood.
            He had a couple of Hillary signs in his yard throughout the Spring and Summer.
            Switched them out for McCain signs right after the democrat convention!

          • PaRep

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          • JLenardDetroit

            I have heard only partial facts in regard to this and am hoping we’ll have more information forth-coming.

            One such persons registering (ACORN related), obtaining an absentee ballot and have casted a ballot then, now returned to England. The tone in which I heard this related was that the individual would not qualify to vote in Ohio. If true, this removes ALL SPECULATION of this being beyond an attempt to over-flow Voter boards and/or setup the “potential” of ballot-fraud (illegal votes), to that of an actual commission of the greater Felony.

            Again, more information and bearing out of the Facts above the here-say is required. Anyone have additional information on this story?

          • securitymom

            that are working with Fox. The website is Palestra.net.

          • Tamblin

            Self identification for “republican” is nowhere near 60%. Presumably republicans should get all conservatives plus some center right moderates (maybe less a few conservatives that go for the constitution party). Clearly that isn’t the case.

            The logical conclusion then is that self reported “conservative” is disconnected from how political junkies mean the term.

            Put it this way, in the last decade the presidential candidates have been Bush, Gore, Kerry, McCain and Obama. Does that seem like the kind of list you’d see from a majority conservative country?

          • Mary_Contrary

            Let’s not talk about the fact that Sarah’s going to put us over the brink (inspite of Peggy Noonan).

            If they think it’s in the bag, many BHO voters will stay home.

            Shhhhhh.

  • JaonneB

    when you compare before Palin to after. I’m in rural PA and many seemed to be dissatisfied with McCain or just “holding their nose”. Now we get people, men as well as women, gushing about how excited they are to vote for them. I’m amazed at the difference and hope they keep Palin front and center as much as possible.

    I find it much easier to stay positive about the race after talking to hundreds of Sarah supporters.

  • Illinicon

    who confirms that the Obama people are worried about exactly this.

    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/

    • ContraMundum

      Obama wouldn’t be releasing his never ending flow of negative ads if he weren’t worried.

      It sometimes is disheartening living and working in NYC, where the adherence to liberal/Leftist doctrines are almost universal. I feel as if I don’t see the true picture. I see what the media wants me to see, and we know what that is.

      But I know I cannot be the only person that thinks the way I do, and I cannot believe that this country that I love with all my heart has moved so far to the Left that my traditional, small government, conservative views are a minority.

      The Obamites are a vocal lot. They prop up their signs, they make every venue a political one, they sneer, they scoff, and they mock. But I have noticed that those of a conservative bent are much more… conservative in their expressions, by and large. They don’t make as much noise, but they are there.

      I have a strange feeling we will win, and although I do not wish harm to anyone, it will be very, very enlightening to see the violence wreaked by the Obamites. And there will be violence. The socialist masks will be off.

      One last thought,… as a conservative in NYC, I can literally go an entire week without meeting one other conservative, or a person making conservative comments, outside of my wife. How many liberals can say that? EVERYONE I know who expresses their views in everyday conversation are very liberal- from work to family.

      I think conservatives understand and can even empathize with liberal thought MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than liberals can with conservatives simply because most inner-city liberals DON’T KNOW ANY conservatives, or at least have barely any contact with them.

      Just a thought… or two.

      • StephC

        A few ads of this vein with the caveat that should anything… God forbid… happen to McCain, he is insuring that the nation is left in good hands to see us into the future. He really couldn’t have made a better pick for VP because she does speak to the “rest of us” outside the beltway.

        • bobojake

          You could see it in his eyes as he seached for the words to answer McCain on Palin. obama has had the coprolites scared out of him. obama said part of the republican party was energized. obama is scared to death. oh by the way did you notice obama eyes and mood when he sat down to the table at the beginning of the debate. he looked like he just smoked a cartoon of cigarettes with a jug of jack daniel.

          • Jaded

            I knew they were there I just thought they didn’t have a voice anymore in their party due to the leftism that infected it BUT there they are and proud of it.

    • pwest

      Fight! Turn out! Turn out! Turn out!

      I know I’m a broken record, but we’ve got to TURN OUT!

      • carlwj

        Appreciate the post although I do wonder why an Obama guy was that forthcoming to your boss, but I won’t pry too hard on that because I’d rather be optimistic than frustrated.

        My story on Palin is similar to what others have posted in that my mother, a 75 year old solid Democrat, is very enthusiastic about Gov. Palin. She and her “running buddies” (who are hard-core Clinton people) decided to vote in this election when Palin made an appearance. My mother was planning on sitting the election out so I’m really surprised, but I ask no questions.

        • SpL

          I am sure many Hillary voters will go for Obama due to pro-choice other liberal principals. A city near where I live has an upcoming women’s panel as to why Obama is still the better choice. Does that indicate they are worried about women?

          It seems Hillary’s support is among older people, maybe with their life investments (IRA, home) deflating as we speak they have to bring in scary stories about losing the right to abortion as an antidote.

          I thought the split-second NOW response to Palin was an indicator McCain did something right. A female teacher visited my daughter’s class with the announcement he had selected Palin and I heard about this right when she got home from school. Coincidentally the teacher had with her an emailed list of reasons why Sarah was the wrong choice for women.

          • smoker1

            I think McCain is going to lose. I believed that from the moment he started running from Bush/Cheney. McCain needed to defend the good things that Bush has brought to our great nation instead of buying into the liberal crap that the Dems keep shouting.

            I think that the Obama presidency is going to be such a disaster that we will recapture control of the House and Senate in 2010. Then in 2012, Sarah Palin will be swept into the White House.

            This is going to be one step back, two steps forward. And maybe the Republican Party will learn (I can only hope) that the key to winning is running conservatives. Not phony conservatives like McCain.

          • bigfoot

            It never ceases to amaze me these beltway pundits. David Brooks is a wussy. I am so sick and tired of these rhinos.

            I coach youth football. Brooks reminds me of one these parents who doesn’t wanna keep score for fear of hurting the losing teams feelings.

            That’s how I see Brooks. He’s a liberal apologist wrapped in a conservative suit.

            I am just so sick and tired of these clowns like this supposedly representing my conservative beliefs. Just sick of it!

          • RestonCon

            Thanks for the clarification.

            My mother in PA is a PUMA. Totally not sold on Obama, borderline angry at him. We’re talking about a person who goes so far back as to work on Helen Meyner vs Jim Courter (R-NJ) campaigns and way back when. So with some one that long of a history and not buy into The Messiah is a good omen (no pun intended)

          • bigfoot

            Amen! They need to get some real conservatives on there. Send Barnes and Kondracke back to McLaughlin.

            It’s sad that sometimes Juan Williams sounds more conservative than Barnes!

          • janis

            fight tooth and nail with the other side, but we have to fight a rearguard action as well.

            I’m sick of pundits of every stripe and persuasion at this point. WE, THE PEOPLE, will decide our destiny without their help. We will be an Army of Joe the Plumbers and take back our country from the blueblooded Brie-eaters who may have an “R” after their names but who have no love for folks like us. They’re also the ones who most disapprove of Sarah and Todd.

            May they be disapproving for a long time to come. Who cares?

          • OccamsRazor

            Right. 3 times a day for three weeks then take a three week nap at the Naval Observatory.

          • pwest

            Good news, Rass also saw a one point move, but I doubt the debate results are included.

            I check Drudge, debate viewership was down as I suspected: mostly the faithful watched last night, and had to love McCain. He rallied the base to him; they already love Palin. The poll numbers should reflect a tick up in Republican support.

            If we TURN OUT, WE WILL WIN!

            You have been a constant postive drumbeat. Thank you for your unwavering attitude. We need more like you around Red State!

            Folks we have to get out there and vote. Give if you can, phone if you can, knock on doors if you can, convince your friends if you can. Whatever it takes: Turn out, Turn out, Turn out!

          • JLenardDetroit

            … McCain wants to change DC, Obama wants to change (to Socialism) America

            Really worth the read, thanks for the link!!

          • eburke

            I am beyond tired of the effette, brie & chablis snobbery of the ‘uppercrust’ Republican party. They are just about as condescending to the rank & file that makes up the GOP as are their snobbish Democrat brothers & sisters.

            Everyone always talks about the tension between the FisCons, SoCons & DefCons in the Republican party. Rubbish! The tension is between the Main Street Republicans and the David Brooks/Fred Barnes ‘intellectual elites’.

          • eburke

            because I don’t know how she voted in the primary or even what her political affiliation is even after working with her for 3 years (shows how little politics are on her radar) but my divorced and mother of three 62 year old secretary walked into the office the night after Palin’s convention speech just beside herself with excitement and pronounced that she had just one word to describe Sarah:

            Spunky!

            She does resonate with women who spent their entire lives struggling to balance career and family.

          • janis

            same bunch who sold Fred’s campaign down the river before it even began. He threatened their little bubble of privilege. In return, we got Sarah Palin–who threatens all their preconceived notions of what a Republican leader should be.

            Our revenge will be sweet. Watching John and Sarah be inaugurated this January to the sounds of the pundits weeping in their wine glasses, joined by the bums on the other side.

    • Scope

      I went to the Richmond VA Palin rally on Monday. Crowd estimated to be around 20,000. It was not the most fun thing to stand for 1 1/2 hours in the hot sun waiting to get in and then waiting another hour for Sarah to speak. The fun was in talking to many many people there and hearing the absolutely deafening enthusiasm for Sarah Palin. It was amazing to hear how many people were sitting in the background, waiting to hold their noses to vote for McCain. Palin has so very many excited. I hope the campaign has her out there everywhere she can be for the remaining days. Palin can and will drag McCain across the finish line. I can feel it in my gut.

      As far as the polls, if you look at what polls make up the national average, they are mostly liberal polls averaged in. CBS/NYT???? CNN????? And after last nights All Star Retards on Fox?????????

      • James_Reynolds

        do more than one rally a day. For the homestretch she needs to do three a day in each swing state. If she pulls in thousands at each we have a winner.

        • OccamsRazor

          The AP is littered today with headlines such as ‘Obama warns supporters against overconfidence’.

          And “if it bleeds, we can kill it”.

  • builder20

    My parents own a small business in Flagstaff, AZ. And as a family we have gone from making $12,000 in one year for a family of 6, to being in the middle “middle class”. We worked our A**ES off with 75-90 hour weeks for the last few years (our store was our home and we just slept at our house), and it so irritates me that Obama believes that our hard earned capitol should be taxed and redistributed. But thats not the point of this comment. We have many friendships with fellow small business owners, and since Obamas now famous “Distribute the wealth” comment many of those small business friends have been energized into doing something! People go from Apathy to Action real fast when they realize that someone believes they are undeserving of their money and that money should be given to someone else. I believe small business owners have more influence than anyone is giving them credit for. The permeate every nook and cranny of our country, they have sway with friends, family, and employees. They are in every demographic you can think of and from what I’ve seen it’s as if Obama kicked a sleeping giant! Then told that giant he/she is undeserving of the dream for which they strive. Not. Smart.

    • PaRep

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      • Dave_in_Fla

        And asking him about tax policy in the Obama administration. He owns two small businesses. This guy literally has to lie to himself to believe that Obama won’t raise his taxes. When I asked him how he will deal with the 50%+ marginal tax rate, he said “Obama really won’t reverse the tax cut Bush gave me”.

        When self delusion is necessary to support your candidate, that is not a good place to be.

  • streetwise

    Pay them no heed!

    • Illinicon

      That I posted. A GOP pollster confirms this has their Dem counterparts worried.

  • boomer

    My wife is an independent who was tepidly for McCain. Then she saw Sarah’s speech at the convention. Now her Volvo has a a bumper sticker that reads, “I’m voting for Sarah and that guy who’s running with her!” Sarah’s a hand grenade thrown in the middle of the Obama campaign that may not go off till Election Day.

    • wkeller

      I have been looking at many of the poll internals for quite some time. Have you noticed that Democrats are being oversampled by 10-16%? Add to that the Bradley effect and if Obama is not ahead in the poll average by election day by 15%, there is no way he will win the election. He is at the very best even right now, but it is much more likely he is down by 3-6 points. Time will tell, but unless there is a radical shift in his direction, he will be a sorely disappointed fella come election day.

    • RedWhite_and_Truth

      What I don’t get is that B.O. is running TV ads here in Alabama. I mean, during every break. “Raymond” “Frasier,” every show. Not sure what he is thinking, but I say “Keep it up.” Throwing all his international cash down our “rabbit hole” here means he will have that much less to spend anywhere else.

      Not to mention that it is really firing us up down here. If I hear one more time, “John McCain is going to tax your health benefits for the first time ever. . .”

      • PaRep

        But typical Stoooooopid Liberal wasting other peoples money

        • SpL

          I agree. If the Republicans play their cards right, they can take at least one house. If they continue to play their cards right they can get the presidency with a good candidate.

          But this all hinges on the card-playin. Dems dont have to do well, they just have to be able to blame Republicans to win.

          • SpL

            I agree. If the Republicans play their cards right, they can take at least one house. If they continue to play their cards right they can get the presidency with a good candidate.

            But this all hinges on the card-playin. Dems dont have to do well, they just have to be able to blame Republicans to win.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    with a key group of voters. The fact that Obama and his Politburo never anticipated her selection as realistic, makes it more of a wild card.

    When someone is attacking, spreading false rumors and keeping a constant drumbeat of mendacious behavior, you know they are worried. Absent the poorly grounded arguments of some on our side, who take an approach based largely on emotion, the best posture is to watch where an opponent expends their time and keep rubbing the sore spot.

    I took my own unofficial poll long ago in NY, not exactly a conservative hotbed. When Governor Palin was announced, I ended up taking several suburban women to register to vote (older, who had never voted before). In the intervening weeks, several friends who were Hillary supporters have told me they will vote for McCain; I frankly believed they would sit home. These are the great “unknowns” in this election which lead me to believe the race is much closer than being predicted.

    By the way, this is a great factual, meritorious piece, unlike some of the other cowardly lion tripe posted today.

    • E_Pluribus_Unum

      Dave specifically mentioned that this was an off-the-record, second-hand conversation, and that we should take it as hearsay — albeit rather tasty hearsay.

      So my friend, take it for what it is, and don’t try to hold it up to trial-court standards.

      And by the way, this story is, at a MINIMUM, up to the journalistic ‘standards’ held to by the New York Times and the Washington Post.

      • speciallist
        • Jaded

          nt

  • Ed54

    Yesterday it was 5. A few days ago it was 6. Last week it peaked at 8.

    The race is tightening. We’ll know tomorrow if McCain moved the needle on the debate. If he did, Rasmussen could get down to 3 or 2. That is close enough for turnout to make a difference.

    In that instance, we actually WANT the other polls to overestimate Obama’s support. Young Obama voters will be less likely to turn out in big numbers if they think Obama has it comfortably in the bag. Hockey and soccer moms feel civic responsibility and will turn out even if McCain/Palin are down in the polls.

    • bs

      But if someone posted a comment about a McCain poster saying they were worried about their internal numbers, there would be calls for some citation.

      have a citation for that information?

      Just curious.

      • PaRep

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        • janis

          an hour or so and was so delighted to come back and find this one up top instead of the other one that greeted us all this morning!

          Good call, Directors.

  • LizVBronx

    The MSM will do anything to pre-crown the Obamessiah. That NYT poll is just bogus. None of the other polls are that much spread. And I also believe people are not telling the pollsters the truth. When it comes to it, there are just too many doubts about this man.

  • nlj

    Obama looked super-tense to me last night, and I remember thinking “Maybe his internal polling data isn’t strong.”

    So, I’m not surprised to read this post.

    But I think the key idea is that the pollster didn’t know. It’s an unknown out there for both candidates.

    Here’s what we do know – a stronger Republican party in the House and/or Senate would be a good thing no matter who is in office.

  • DrLewisGregory

    It is shocking how so many people are enamored by form over substance. Where’s the beef? Such a Hollywood mentality is so shallow. Pretty boys and smooth talkers don’t impress me. However the battle scars of dedicated sacrificial service and the wrinkles of mature wisdom do! I enjoy Hollywood entertainment. But we need much more than entertainment! We are in a national/global crisis. The artificial world of the imagination station just won’t cut it. We need strong decisive leadership based on sound character and a proven track record of competence. We need a real leader. God help us!

    • bk

      and they each cast an average of three votes, that gives you the effective 90% turnout figure.

      • The_Gadfly

        I’m pretty much a hip shooter when leftists start going on about “windfall profit taxes” on the oil companies. My recollection from AChance’s article when Palin was chosen was that she bargained for higher use fees for the drilling rights. That is not a windfall profit tax, and I’m all for whoever owns the drilling rights being able to drive a fair bargain for access to the resources. In fact, I wouldn’t object to her being the negotiator for similar rights across the rest of the US, including non-energy natural resources. So that will sell well with hardcore conservative Republicans as well.

        • stephenhalsey

          …it’s anectdotal but seems to corroborate the information you have on the other side.

          McCain Internals

          • skuld1

            The Dems and Dem supporting media are trying to demoralize us and depress our turnout. Don’t fall for this!

          • mbecker908

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          • streetwise

            The nagging interminable I-told-you-so’s would make a conversation with Michelle look placid.

          • streetwise

            Ford made a strong comeback and was actually leading at one point. Then Forde made his Eastern Europe debate gaffe and the Dems succeeded in making the Nixon pardon an issue, and Carter rebounded. But then Jimmy Carter’s moralistic creepiness started making voters uneasy again.

            Final result- a squeaker: Carter 50, Ford 48. It is very possible that had the election occurred a few days later, Ford would have won.

          • PaRep

            .

          • SRT

            At this point in the race in 1976, Ford was slightly ahead according to Gallup and lost a couple points by election day. I remember, I worked on the Ford campaign.

          • Neil_Stevens
          • Swamp_Yankee

            nt

          • aaronbg

            maybe if you weren’t a pessimistic panty soiler Ford could have won.

          • mfr2063

            Appreciate the positive story. I have had more than one of my conservative friends say Obama has it in the bag but my response has been that it’s not over yet. With Governor Palin pushing from the other side, let’s drag McCain over the finish line.

            Sheesh, what goofy election season.

          • DrJeff

            Also, the elderly are less likely to talk to pollsters, but more likely to vote for McCain/Palin. My office staff have a hard time getting my elderly patients to answer their phones or to talk if they do answer, until they know who’s calling!

          • auntminnie

            After last nights debate on a news clip there was a (very) short clip of McCain running. Lookin good I would say! Palin’s WILL’ be great as they are on the same page about everything and NOT ONE OF THE GOOD OLD BOYS, which is what we have asked for for years now!!! WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE MATTER WITH PEOPLE OUT THERE? EVERYONE I HAVE SPOKEN WITH HAS SAID THAT MCCAIN WON THE DARN DEBATE, HANDS DOWN. I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU THIS MORNING RUSH, TO SEE HOW MANY TIME ‘HE’ SAID UM-AH ETC.
            MAKE IT A GOOD DAY!

          • PaRep

            .

          • eburke

            ummm, certainly never in the history of modern political warfare has one side ever made ‘feints’ in certain directions designed to sow confusion in the ranks of the opposing campaign and to dispirit their supporters.

            And your messiah certainly would never think so much of himself that he would wish to create an aura of acceptance by the adoring masses throughout the fruited plain. Why…who can resist Hope! and Change!

    • SRT

      You can tell exactly what Obama’s internal polls are telling the campaign by where they are placing their resources. Right now they are moving back into Georgia and North Dakota and expanding into West Virginia and Kentucky. I repeat: Kentucky!

  • redalert

    In your diary you wrote,”not to be conspiratorial,but they likely just want to dispirit us”. You are NOT being conspiratorial. The media is in fact trying to discourage people from going to the polls to vote for McCain. It’s like in the past, when voters on election day here in California hear that the networks have already announced the winner,people go home without bothering to vote. Since we are three hours behind the East Coast the race is over by 5 PM our time. Who is going to waste their time voting when the race is over? That’s why they are now saying the race is over again and again and again. It is their intention to keep the Republican turnout low.

    I saw the debate on PBS. After I watched McCain pummel Obama for 90 minutes,Brooks and Shields came in with their analysis. You would have thought that McCain had performed horribly. They kept emphasizing how it wasn’t a game changer. It was over. Obama would coast now. It was scary. It was sheer propaganda. It reminded me of the Iraqi Information Minister in 2003. He would go on TV and say Saddam’s forces were routing the U.S.,while in the background we could see our tanks advancing on Baghdad ! Great diary.

    • auntminnie

      I work in REP. Headquarters in No. CA. One day as I was making calls I ran across a gentelman that said, (when asked which canidate he intended to support),NEITHER ONE! So I said I would put him down as UN-DECIDED, “HE SAID NO THAT IS NOT RIGHT, I’M GOING TO VOTE FOR SARAH PALIN!” He was for OB but when Palin came on board he wanted her (and her husband. “My comment about all of this Rush, is that I pray they win and that Todd Palin gets an active part in an important job. Between the 4 of them maybe they can straighten out Washington!!!

      • DrJeff

        If this is true, it’s a waste of time and money. Those states are solid red. They had better watch PA, which may be about to turn red also.

        • izoneguy

          …in 2008 the media bias towards Obama is like none other that we have ever seen. You would think it would be more like 70% Obama.

  • streetwise

    The polls showed them tied almost to ELECTION DAY.

    Reagan, of course, won in a landslide.

    • JLenardDetroit

      The Left loves to tout how they are the great purveyors of Rights, though it was Lincoln and us Republicans that freed the Slaves (despite our desire to preserve States’ Rights), and have actively been pushing Programs of Special Rights over EQUAL RIGHTS to attempt to re-write history.

      What does that have to do with the Post I am replying to? CHARACTER is the point…

      I said that, to get to this – MLKj is trumpeted as their icon. The “I Have A Dream” speech is oft mentioned, but they view it only through the prism of their Politically Corrected massacre of the definition of Racism. It was stated to judge “on the content of one’s Character” rather than “color of skin.” We ask the same – if you were to have a truly BLIND study of the issues and records, the LACK OF CHARACTER AND JUDGEMENT of Obambam would have him losing all Electoral votes.

      So, to put it in the Political speak/lexicon: IT’S HIS CHARACTER (NOT HIS COLOR), STUPID!!!

  • ed_ga

    I have never believed the MSN polls.The way they do their math (wonder if my checkbook would work like that) is the best way to pad a poll. If O is not up by 7+ he will loose that state. McCain is using the down by 6 to rally the troops before the battle( any LIBS reading this don’t whine, you know what that means).Each of us needs to find a few voters that are legit(not registerd by accorn) that may not vote and bring them around . The ground game will be large if we all help.

    • IJB

      And he won’t be alone. There will be tons like him.

  • Bevy

    It’s good to see that we’re not getting the whole picture. They say that every election is swayed by the unknown factor – is that the moderates or the conservatives.

    That they recognise that Palin connects with the regular Joe out there is a really good thing – b’c as it stands on their ticket – neither connects.

    Thanks! I did post this on our Pro-Palin Blog with your name and links! http://GoSarahGO-vp.blogspot.com

    • scottbomb

      I’ve been fantasizing lately about a Palin-Jindal ticket in ’12.

      But still, this diary is encouraging. Especially when you consider the trustworthy polls (Zogby, Rasmussen) and ignore the lefties at CBS/NYT. Add in the margin of error and “weighting” (nothing more than pure speculation about Dem turnout) and you have a tie, if not a genuine lead, for McCain.

      • scottbomb

        If McCain wins, I doubt he’d run for re-election in ’12 anyway. That would free him up to govern instead of campaign AND it would give Sarah a big advantage so long as he is successful in his 1st term.

        • Pentagon16

          You are a true American patriot. And that means a lot in today’s day and age when I am sure you are facing huge challenges from your “friends” and those in your social circle. Just like I do in the Jewish world, those of us who stick up for our beliefs and our love of country face hardships. But the fact is, we ARE standing up for what is truly important. Keep the faith and thanks for fighting alongside us in the trenches for what is dear to our hearts!

  • 29Victor

    I was going to recommend it, then saw that it had been promoted.

    The Obama campaign wants us dispirited and the MSM is doing everything possible to help them.

    • sp2008

      I asked an Obama supporter a simple question… how much would you pay to have Obama in the White House? $50,000? $100,000? How much is it worth to you? No answer. Then I asked how they could possibly vote for a guy without understanding his tax policy and what it would end up costing him. The only response was to say the Bush administration had done an awful job. The Obama supporters want to support this guy and really don’t bother to critically analyze any of his policies. I am not a registered republican, but I have never felt this strongly about a Presidential election. I am in finance, have a thorough understanding of the issues, and I think Obama’s policies are a disaster. I this is not just because I am selfeshly looking out for my own wallet. I think he his policies are going to impede job growth, and make our companies less competitive. I think his spending plans are out of control, his healthcare plan will eventually bankrupt the country, and his tax policies will permanently weaken our economy. This guy teamed up with a democratic congress scares me. Unfortunately we have a bunch of people in this country who are willing to passionately vote and not willing to critically analyze the issues. In addition we have a media that is so liberal and so biased that they won’t question a single thing that Obama says.

      • sp2008

        Not only will the increase in corporate taxes lead to slower job growth and potential layoffs, it will also force our companies to raise their prices for goods and services. This means your dollar will not go as far. In addition, over time our companies will be less competitive on a global basis (tough to compete with others when one of your main costs (taxes) are twice as much as theirs). Over time foreign companies will buy our domestic ones, taking advantage of the tax arbitrage. Then more and more jobs will move overseas. It is easy to see the near term impacts (more layoffs, slower economy, higher prices), but the longer term consequences could be even more severe. (Not to be an alarmist but often times people don’t see the impact of unintended consequences, I believe the unintended consequence of an Obama presidency is the end of America’s position as an economic leader)

        • janis

          yesterday afternoon trying to explain his ridiculous theory that companies and corporations wouldn’t pass the tax increase along to their customers. His reasoning?
          That, in order to remain competitive, they will have to absorb the cost of the tax increase and keep their services/goods the same.

          What a useful idiot.

          • alicelouise58

            Call me an optimist, but BO does not have the smarts of a Josef Stalin or enough numbers to muster Chekist/NKVD/KGB enforcers to ram his policies down our throats.

          • alicelouise58

            In 1989 or 1990 Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega seemed to be coasting to election. The glamorous Left seemed ready to gloat over it. Celebutards like Bianca Jagger were flying in. Well if anyone has read.. their celebrations were premature.

            PJ O’Rourke summed it up in an article. A Nicaraguan peasant is confronted by a pollster AND a government thug. He said what the government guy wanted to hear. He expressed his true sentiments on a private ballot.

            The same analogy applies today. The snotty urban pollster saying, “So… if the election were held today would you vote for the totally cool BO or are you some Knuckle dragging White sheeted racist who’s voting for John McCain? BTW the former answer will put you in high esteem of vacuous Hollywood types.”

          • whoframedrudy

            That crude Biden attack on ‘Joe The Plumber’ not having a license seemed strange to me, if they’re so confident.

            If they win, they still have to govern. Show of hands–who thinks Obama will magically cure the economy in his first term? I don’t care if they have 80 seats in the Senate, Congress can either do nothing, or raise taxes on everybody. No-win. So why start off an impossible job with 10 million ‘Joe’ sympathizers angry at you? Unless it’s a gambit because you’re worried.

          • SRT

            Have you seen recent state polling here?

          • PaRep

            says watch where the campaigns are going NUMBNUTS

          • Joliphant

            If they can present a consistent picture of Obama being ahead in the polls and the election is close, they can try and take it to the courts again.

            Win or lose in the bid for the presidency they inch closer to having the courts be the arbiters of succession not the electorate.

            No matter what if McCain wins we can expect to hear four years of stolen election and illegitimate president by the media.

          • pwest

            and I’ve seen them. But I haven’t seen one McCain ad! Hey look, Obama raised 150 million in September let him spend it in places he can’t win, so he won’t have as much to spend it in places he might win. Spend all you want in Alabama, so you’ll have less for PA.

          • THE_RED_REBEL

            SAD. BUT YOUR STATE MAY BECOME HIS MECCA.

  • PSDA

    The pollsters are all agonizing over how to adjust their “likely voter” models to reflect the energy and enthusiasm that Obama brings to the campaign, as if Obama is the only person bringing out those who used to be invisible to the pollsters.

    Gallup is even putting out two daily numbers in their tracking polls to reflect this.

    While I’m usually pretty skeptical of anecdotal stories as a basis for analyzing the race, this idea that Palin is energizing certain demographic groups who are otherwise below the radar actually seems very plausible to me.

    Thanks for your diary!

  • Tim_Schieferecke

    Anyone who is honest enough to do a true gutcheck about Obama can see he is a critically flawed candidate. I know a couple of libs, and they are over the top crazy in their vitriol about Sarah. That tells me one thing very strongly, and that is they are scared to death of her. It’s kind of fun to watch them go out of control when I push their Sarah buttons. I must admit I love to do so.

  • David_Rasbold

    She called me during the lunch meeting and said “we need to chat later” that I’d be “very interested in what he had to say.” Honestly, I was avoiding the conversation with my boss because I didn’t want to hear about an Obama campaign person gloating about their internal polls.

    When she told me this story tonight – just after the debate – I was floored. It was the last thing I expected to hear.

    By the way, if anyone that reads this (and I’m not saying this to you PSDA) and thinks that I’m embelishing, think again. In fact, I tried to keep my retelling of the conversation to the key details and not make anything sound “more positive” for our side. Also, my boss is a straight talker and not into overstating events.

    I’m not trying to sound defensive, but with the current negativity taking hold among some Republicans I just wanted to get this out there before I get the proverbial “rrrriiiigght.”

    Let me put it this way: I stake my name and my honor against what I’ve relayed above.

  • jsteele

    it certainly makes sense — but then I have a vested interest in it making sense :-)

    I think there are two factors that the pollsters can’t get their arms around: a) as this diary points out the “Palin factor” impact on all those “unknown groups”; and b)the PUMA factor — just how many Hillary supporters are going to cross over.

  • HsvConservative

    I am glad this was promoted to the front page. It was just what the doctor ordered!

    Go Sarah and that other guy ;-]

  • St_Louis_Conservative

    It’s important not to forgot the David Axelrod effect in the political atmosphere right now. Axelrod is not a political guy, rather, he is a media consultant and media strategist. His job is to basically manipulate the news and the media to fit his clients’ goals/purposes. He has done this through astroturfing, i.e. making up fake organizations and the like to manufacture “grassroots” support when none exist. He has likely been behind all of the imagery of the Obama campaign, from the Messianic feel to it, to the crazed rallies, to the Hollywood scripted acceptance speech, etc. He knows how to drive and project an image into the public sphere. He likely knows what a depressing effect poor poll numbers for McCain have on the GOP base, not to mention story after story after story about how the election is “over”. I’m betting Axelrod is behind a lot of this. He’s perhaps the best in the business.

  • LaBonBon

    Great article, David. Thanks for sharing this story!

    You bring up an important point about the “hidden” groups. What about parents with disabled children?? One of the networks actually did a story the other night on the evening news about large numbers of people with disabled children attending Palin rallies. These are people that cut across all socio-economic lines yet come together because of one single–and crucial–issue. I have never read any numbers???

    By the way, I am a PUMA and have worked very hard this election for McCain-Palin–as have many of my friends. I have been very glad to see many of my PUMA compradres receive recognition here. One of my dear friends, Momma E. from the Monk’s Radio network has worked non-stop, seven days a week to investigate Obama’s Kenyan connections with Odinga, as well as the birth certificate. She is an American hero.

    I want to thank everyone associated with RedState for your graciousness towards us PUMAs–especially Suzannah, who wrote a great piece awhile back about how Hillary Clinton voters could feel good about voting for McCain. I sent that link along to all my fellow PUMAs. With that said, I know there have been some who have pooh-poohed the PUMA contribution this election. To those people I say, follow your friend Suzannah’s wise lead and extend a hand of friendship. I can tell you this: I am NOT going back to the present Democrat party. Wasn’t it President Reagan who said “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me.” That statement sums it up for a LOT of us!

  • janis

    have appreciated over the past couple of months. The fact that so many of you folks have seen what we have been watching for so long–the creeping socialism that has taken over the Democrat party over the past years. And the complicit MSM that enables it.

    Time for all Americans who wish to preserve this country for future generations to come together and take it back. Here’s to working together to defeat the this menace!

  • wennejunk

    Not the defeatist crap posted by Brad Smith up there now.

  • PaRep

    Party & I take seriously the PUMAS & I was hoping for Obama to win, Because HRC & her supporters would have been damn near impossible for a Rep. to beat

  • rmj

    Very interesting post and I am especially pleased because it touches on what I have been preaching for weeks now.

    Sarah Palin is a stealth factor in this race.

    As other posters have noted the pollsters are falling all over themselves to account for the presumed “Obama Effect” while ignoring the “Palin Effect”.

  • leftylurker

    But if someone posted a comment about a McCain poster saying they were worried about their internal numbers, there would be calls for some citation.

    I totally respect people’s need to keep confidentiality. Do you have anything to back this up?

  • streetwise

    and thanks for your efforts!

  • RestonCon

    I am new to the site and am unfamiliar with the term PUMA. Can someone tell me what it means. Thanks

    Great post by the way.

  • fergeo51

    The winning strategy for MCain in attracting independents, in my opinion, is to hammer at the point that we just were forced to accept the most sweeping socialistic grab of the free market since the 1930s, with hopes that in the long run it will lead to a pay back to taxpayers and an eventual roll back of the market nationalization (whether you buy it or not). Given that, if we elect a socialist (call him a far left demagogue if you want to soft pedal it) and arm him with a democrat congress, the result will be no reoll back of the nationalization and the success of the socialist revolution – the death of our great American Capitalist Republic. The future of the America that we are so proud of is at stake. I believe that independents are mostly afraid of extremes – that is why they huddle in the middle. We are on the precipice of socialism and electing Obama will push us over the edge. Successfully paint Obama as the agent of an extreme left turn toward European style socialism, which he is, in the context of today’s economic conditions, and you will most likely swing a fair number of independents to McCain.

  • David_Rasbold

    I do not feel comfortable stating the names of either my boss or the person she was speaking with.

    There are of course no “e-mail trails”, recorded conversations, or video of this event. This was a business lunch that resulted in an amazingly frank assessment of the current state of the race.

    I realize that I’m asking people to take my word on this, but I can tell you that:

    • This conversation occured.
    • It took place earlier this week.
    • This person is an official internal pollster for the Obama campaign.
    • That what was discussed is how I detailed above.
    • I purposefully kept it to the facts as described to me. I did not fluff to make it sound more favorable than it really was.

    I suspect that Obama supporters will disregard it and McCain supporters will cheer it. One can either discount or embrace it. I’m simply relaying the information.

    It’s I think a valuable insight into what’s really going on behind the curtain and is a more sober reality of the real state of the race. Something we will not get from the MSM.

    And, oh, if someone does have information on McCain’s internal polls (Jim G. from NRO referred to some this morning I believe), please do share!

  • PaRep

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  • streetwise

    Gore 51%
    Bush 40%

    http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/05/tracking.poll/index.html

    Yes, we know how in-the-bag THAT ONE was for Gore!

    ht Free Republic

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2103032/posts

  • PaRep

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  • ladyrep

    I worked at an early voting site in 2004. For 2 weeks I grew more and more disheartened as busloads of voters troooped in with helpers to assist them with the voting on our machines. I was frankly dreading election day and I am in charge of my local precinct where we are about 50/50 Dem/Rep.. I had forgotten one basic fact at least in Tennessee Republicans turn out on Election Day itself! We actually denied Gore the state he took for granted in 2000. Please do not let negative polling results discourage you from putting up a sign, displaying a bumper sticker and getting your friends and neighbors to the polls. Many elderly in my area are afraid to put up a sign but they will vote on Election Day-count on it!

  • izoneguy

    puma = Party Unity My Ass

    Puma 08

    Basically – pissed off Hillary supporters.

  • mbauer

    And then I stop laughing and wonder if that will be the case. That happy face just turned on us

  • Indy

    Thanks for this post. I am part of the problem with the “polling” … female, Ivy League educated, small business owner, minority. How am I going to vote? McCain. Why? When I look to hire someone, I look for a track record; I am willing to give a newbie a chance, but I need to see their drive, resourcefulness, and initiative. McCain scores; Obama doesn’t. I like the fact that Obama is a minority; however, I LOOOVE McCain’s life story of dedication, self-sacrifice and service. Sarah Palin rocks. We sat around the dinner table the other night, and my mother-in-law, sister-in-law and I all thought that the attacks on her were due to sexism — people just cannot stand a woman in charge (including other women). And lastly, Joe the Plumber just sealed it — he said exactly what most of us are thinking. Why does Obama think he has the right to take my money and give it away to other people? I am not susceptible to the programming of the Democratic Party (I looked up the Ledbetter case about equal pay, etc., and it was nothing of the sort — they wanted a break for trial lawyers and their “championing” of this cause was just a smokescreen). If the Obama pollsters are worried that they can’t predict how I’ll vote, they should be. I — and a lot of women like me — can’t be programmed the way the Democrats want.

  • Jaded

    is what makes people conservatives :-)

  • JEM123

    I have always felt this was closer than reported, and some of the spreads are so high between Dem and GOP I figured some of this is just static, but Barone’s comments do give me pause. I have been figuring 4 or 5 points party ID difference, he says 8 or 9 is very plausible. He is a very measured individual. I still think this can be won, but as others have said – turnout, turnout, turnout.

  • Pentagon16

    it is NOT just small businesses who will be forced to lay off employees as their taxes go up. I work for a HUGE global company.

    As the taxes are raised, along with less government spending and less international sales due to the economy- what does a CEO do?!! Of course they hire fewer people, give fewer raises, fewer promotions, and start to lay a margin off to make budget requirements.

    Then those laid off employees have no money to spend at the local store where YOUR RELATIVES work, and when they are out of work then they have no money to spend for a new car where your WIFE works.

    It is not like in a consumer based capitalist economy you can only hurt “part” of the rich population and not have that expand to the rest of the population!

  • Pentagon16

    If we could get every Republican to listen to Pam we will win. Turn out and go to rallies, send in money, work a phone bank. And VOTE EARLY if you can.

  • Pentagon16

    it would be better for the polls to show Mccain moving ahead. that would put the media into full panic mode- his people would make mistakes, and the youth would not feel as “cool” to vote for a guy they don’t care about if he is going to be a loser. Also it depresses the vote for the GOP if we all think it is hopeless. the best possible scenario is that mccain keeps making it closer and closer and moves a point ahead in the polls..

  • LizVBronx

    everyone’s support here is great.

  • JoeG

    1 – I’m far from willing to concede!

    2 – I suspect no matter what happens, Jindal is going hard for the presidency in 2012.

    I really like Sarah, but I like Bobby even more. He’s got tons of experience – and yet he’s not an “insider.” He can run circles around media types.

    This time around, every Republican in the primary was claiming “I’m the Reaganest” in the crowd. But none of them were even close. There is a “new Reagan” and his name is Bobby.

  • Tim_Schieferecke

    200,000 in Ohio? That is overkill to the fullest extent possible.

  • QueenOfCups

    And I have added it to the sites I visit on a regular basis.

    It’s updated often with stories I don’t find anywhere else.

  • kat

    I think a great judge of whether they are confident about my swing state is how many ads they run. When I watch local TV now, of the 6 ads they run during shows, Obama ads (I approve this message ads) are 3 of the 6. I’m even talking during reruns of Everybody Loves Raymond on the local FOX affiliate. That tells me that they are VERY unsure about the “Joe Six Pack” vote in PA (I live about 25 miles from Scranton & get Scranton television).

  • PaRep

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  • lkshelton

    My very liberal sister is going to be voting for McCain. She says Obama’s politics and friends scare her.

  • BlakeW

    As I mentioned on another thread, Obama is running quite a few ads in CA, and I don’t think they’re all part of a national ad buy.

    Why would Obama find it necessary to run ads in reliably blue CA?

  • jsteele

    … they’ve set up to to capitalize on significant fraudulent registrations. Not having them means they might actually have to compete on a level playing field — the Dems aren’t so good at that.

    But rest assured they are going to do everything they can to get those registrations enabled so they can bring in their army of homeless and traveling voters. They always do.

    And they will do what they can to disenfranchise the troops. They always to that too.

  • Tim_Schieferecke

    As Rush points out every once in a while, the number of people who identify themselves as being conservative or somewhat conservative is over 60%. I’m not sure an out and out lib can win in most places without out and out fraud.

  • BuckeyePT

    did anyone really believe florida went from mccain +3 to Obama + 7 after the financial fallout. That was the tipoff of the fix being on!

  • David_Rasbold

    First, just a quick friendly correction. Sarah puts us over the top, not the brink. It’s the accomodating conservo crazies (Noonan, et al) that are nearly at/over the brink. It’s just that brink usually has a negative connotation… (I need to get off the word parsing kick here – lol).

    To your secondary point, I think you have something here. BHO just yesterday began warning his peeps (and the media ran with it) to not get too confident. Now, we know that his campaign is brimming in overconfidence and I dont think they’re willing to cede any of their arrogant ground. What are we seeing instead is an attempt to keep the college crowd and other less reliable voters in the game.

    This is also another reason you’ll see the polls tighten all of the sudden in some of the more liberal polls. BHO and media can’t risk encouraging people staying home if they think it’s already won.

    Now, the downside for Obama and his media allies is that shrinking leads in polls for Obama also risks further encouraging of the part of the republican base that pays way too much attention to election polls.

    Keep in mind that polls always tighten anyway the closer we are to election day, for all of the reasons restated ad naseum on Redstate and elsewhere for the past few days – I won’t rehash again.

    However, in this election year where the media bias is probably worse as I can ever remember (and I’m only 33 – others I’m sure can make the point for going back much farther in time) it just seems to me that the media would probably not like to risk motivating the republican base and more than it is already because of Sarah.

    To go off slightly in a different direction for a moment, this is why we saw such an amazingly concerted effort by the media (and still do) to completely destroy Sarah. The media cannot afford our base to get energized.

    In the end, we’ll see the polls tighten and the media tune to turn repoting focus quickly to “the overconfidence in the Obama camp.” This won’t be because they think Obama will lose, they’re just going to be worried that Obama-cons will stay home since the brainless on their side are such mindless robots and think (based on watch the media has been trumpeting for months) that the election is basically over.

    The media thinks that these messages are discouraging our base from showing up (while this may apply to a few nervous ninnies), largely they wrong> It’s just someone forgot to point out it’s the sheep on the left that are more likely to stay home and think victory while smoking their doobies (okay, the doobie part was negative generalizing on my part… but why not).

    I’m afraid I don’t have an Obama campaign official to confirm these thoughts of mine, just my own observations…

  • JSobieski

    Either would be the best ticket since Reagan-Bush, with a stronger and more communicative VP.

  • 29Victor

    People who make sense are Conservatives, people who don’t are Liberals.

    Works for me. ;)