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The False Narrative of ‘Too Big to Fail’…

The phrase ‘Too Big to Fail’ has been used alot since 2008, in reference to various financial firms – and the notion that because of the size of said conglomerates, the failure of any one firm would devastate the economy…

The common narrative in such use, is that we need to break up our banks into smaller ones, and this will somehow prevent another 2008 crisis.

There are, of course, several problems with this:

Problem #1: Smaller banks are MORE likely to fail than large ones.

If you look at the FDIC’s list of distressed banks – eg, banks they siezed and sold off because in their estimates the bank would have failed otherwise… The overwhelming majority are small local and regional banks.

There are some notable exceptions: Washington Mutual, and the one true bank-failure (where the bank was closed without sale, and the FDIC paid depositors) of the 08 crisis – IndyMac…

But the overwhelming majority of failed institutions were the small-fry supposedly ‘safer’ according to the TBTF narrative.

Problem #2: Without big banks, the 08 crisis would have been worse.

The large institutions, particularly Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo – used their size and available reserves to soften the blow of the 08 crisis, by taking advantage of the crash-induced bargain prices to buy out their failed competition. While this was obviously done to benefit the buying bank’s business, it had a secondary effect of containing the crisis and reducing public-panic (by keeping ‘failed’ banks open under new management, there was less incentive for bank-runs on otherwise-healthy banks)….

A plethora of artificially smaller banks, kept that way by government regulation, would NOT have been able to manage this feat – both because the government regulators wouldn’t have allowed it under an ‘anti-TBTF’ scheme, and because the small banks wouldn’t have the cash on-hand to do it.

Problem #3: It’s not the banks themselves that are TBTF – it’s the Banking & Financial Sector

The narrative of an individual institution being ‘too big to fail’ completely misses the point.

The issue isn’t that any one BANK is too big to be allowed to fail – it’s that the BANKING AND FINANCE SECTOR is too big (too important) to be allowed to fail.

Why?

Because the banking sector – not the Treasury or even the Federal Reserve – is what ‘creates’ or ‘prints’ 90% of our money.

Modern monetary systems rely on the making of loans in order to create money – every time money is deposited at a bank, 90% of that money becomes available to be loaned out. Most lent money finds it’s way back into a bank again, where 90% of it can be re-lent, and so on.

Of the ~14TN US Dollars in our money supply, there is approximately 1TN of physical paper and coin (M0). The rest is created by the banking system – a process known as the Fractional Reserve Multiplier Effect.

The result is a system that is far more stable and growth-friendly than the bad-old-days of money being pegged to a commodity (gold or silver being the most common) by arbitrary government decree…

This is also why the Federal Reserve can alter the money-supply by raising or lowering the base-line interest rate – a higher FED rate means a higher price for money economy-wide, which means less lending, a smaller multiplier, and thus less actual money in existence.

However, as a side-effect, this system makes the banking & finance sector an essential part of the economy – to the point that if there were no banks operating, there would be no US economy & the US Dollar would cease to exist as a viable currency.

This makes the safety & stability of the banking sector a matter of national security – since a massive 1929-style loss of consumer-confidence in the banks, and the corresponding runs that would occur if that were allowed to happen – would literally collapse the US Dollar and our economy through deflation. Also, if the markets were to become polluted with instruments of questionable value (questionable being worse than known-low, because at least known-low value has a known value) to the point where no bank is willing to lend a result, the same thing happens.

Think of the economy like an airplane ‘flying’ through a stream of money instead of air… If you increase velocity, you go higher… If you decrease velocity, you go lower… If you STOP velocity (or let it fall too low), you stall, crash & die (Currency Failure via Deflation).

THAT is why the situation in 08 was so bad: a polluted market, and panicky consumers – and having lots of little banks would NOT have changed it one bit – in fact, it likely would have made things worse.

So, if that’s the case, what WAS the problem in 2008, and how do we prevent it in the future

First, it’s important to recognize one thing: When you get to where we were in Sept of 08, you can’t ‘Not Do’ TARP (and BTW, TARP was the most free-market ‘fix’ possible: Buying non-voting shares of stock & letting the banks fix themselves. It also has ended up being a no-net-cost to the taxpayer situation) – that results in the above monetary catastrophe. So bashing politicians for voting for TARP is WRONG – there was no other option at that point. What the politicians deserve to be bashed for, is creating the environment that lead to the crisis in the first place, by way of forcing pollution the securities market with unknown-quantity instruments based on anyone-qualifies home loans.

The problem, quite simply, was a polluted securities and credit market. Why do I say ‘polluted’? Because it’s the best analogy… We had a mixture of ‘clean’ investments with investments of uncertain quality (MBSes and thus the derivatives attached to them). What makes ‘uncertain quality’ worse than ‘low quality’ is that there’s no way to accurately value ‘uncertain quality’ – with known low quality investments (eg junk bonds), you at least know what you’re getting into… However throw a few ‘unknowns’ into an otherwise ‘clean’ market, and the whole market gets presumed to be low-quality because it’s the only way to limit losses.

As for how these ‘unknown quality’ investments got into the market, Government owns that one – by forcing relaxed lending standards accross the board in an effort to ensure home ownership, the government ‘owns’ responsibility for everything that happened downstream – from unknown quality securities, to the complex derivatives tied to them… If the government hadn’t knocked over the first domino, we wouldn’t have the problems we did in the markets, and bingo – no crisis.  No crisis, no paniced consumers, no threat of runs… Also, no panicked banks and no threat of economy-strangling credit tightening…

So, what do we do? To start, what we do NOT do, is change our banking system. There are some radical elements out there that want to essentially ban banking (by eliminating fractional-reserve lending) or move back to a pegged currency. They are all wrong, and in every case the economic and societal costs of that action – in terms of lost oppertunity & innovation, restricted mobility & limited economic growth – are far greater than the downsides of the current system. What we have now has it’s faults, but it has LESS FAULTS than everything else out there.

What we do, is keep the government out of the lending-standards business.

If the government does not intervene, banks will make loans only to credit-worthy borrowers. There will be some defaults, but not the system-wide, economy-threatening level that occurred recently in the housing market.

Some lenders/banks will choose to lend to riskier borrowers (and charge higher rates for it), but this will not be widespread and system-wide as it was when government mandated such behavior (while encouraging NOT charging more for it)… And if one of these fails, they will be bought out by one of their less-risky-lending competitors…. The market handles these sorts of things quite well, as the motivation to earn a profit ensures that lending-standards will be set based on an equilibrium between risk and return generated.

The problem isn’t the size of the banks (that actually HELPED)… It’s the size of our government, and what happens when economic incompetents meddle in affairs best left to professional economists and financiers (this is, btw, also the best argument against Gold Buggery & a Ron-Paul style congressionally-controlled money supply)….

Keep the government out of the financial industry (This includes REPEALING any sort of Glass-Stegall-redux style artificial separation), and let things run their course… Oh, and get rid of Fannie & Freddie – two of the most significant instruments by which the Feds manipulate the housing industry….

COMMENTS

  • shanecroach

    Banking as it now exists is too big not to fail. Banks creating money without direct checks and balances are able to bypass the very constitutional restrictions meant to allow the government to control the money supply, and to split the responsibility between the House and Senate in terms of who controls the purse strings.

    First off, we had partial reserve lending in 1929 as well. Indeed, we have had it off and on through various portions of the life of the USA, and partial reserve lending existed prior to our emergence as an independent nation. There is nothing new or high tech about this method of controlling the money supply.

    Secondly, of course there were other ways besides a bailout to control this. Iceland has done precisely that — they reneged on debts and prosecuted corrupt bankers. They forced banks to forgive loans to some home owners, or renegotiate the payments, and their economy is on the mend. It is specious to argue that the only way to deal with criminals is to reward their bad behavior.

    • dragan

      I like the part “It is specious to argue that the only way to deal with criminals is to reward their bad behavior.”

      I cannot believe that there are enough republicans who peddle the BS that prosecuting banksters is an assault on capitalism. I admire successful people but banksters are NOT to be emulated or admired. They dont take any risks. They privatize gains and socialize losses. Even today, nobody buys bank stocks, including TBTF, without the explicit guarantee of the USG.

      Why wouldnt I be successful if I can have my gains but can transfer my losses and the scum expect me to respect these leeches

      • commonsenseobserver

        Some fault lies with the government and other authorities as well.

      • Dave_A

        The ‘privatize gains, socialize losses’ thing was FORCED ON THE BANKS by the GOVERNMENT.

        The entire crisis was created by TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT and TOO MUCH REGULATION.

        The banks are the victims.

        Put down the populist crack-pipe and step away….

    • Dave_A

      First off, we don’t have ‘corrupt’ bankers to prosecute… The fault for 2008 lies ENTIRELY with the government – the banks did nothing wrong.

      And while it’s infuriating and idiotic that the politicians almost ruined our banking sector in order to ‘buy’ votes from people with no financial self control, it wasn’t illegal.

      This fact makes your ‘Congress should control the money supply’ position absolutely INSANE. CONgress CAUSED 2008 – why give them MORE power over our money after they almost wrecked the entire economy!

      Further, while we had fractional reserve in 1929, we also had the economic black-plague known as the Gold Standard, and the Federal Reserve’s policy back then was deflationary (2 deflationary items at once – not good). Not a valid comparison.

      Iceland did what one would expect from a socialist society – they punished business, rewarded the idiotic homeowners, and they will repeat the cycle in the future..

      P.S. If you want to prosecute people, go after homeowners who lied on their documents & stole money from the banks by fraud. The banks are the victims here, not the criminals…

      • acat

        that you’re leaving out.

        The banks *regarding the credit crisis* may be white knights, but regarding *real estate title fraud* … whole ‘nother story. Some perp walks there would be good for business.

        Yes, two of the perps ought to be Frank and Dodd, but .. the men who hired robo-signers and others involved in violating clear title to thousands of properties are equally guilty, if somewhat lower visibility.

        Mew

        • Dave_A

          If the property was delinquent, then it shouldn’t matter if the document was signed by the loan officer or an authorized agent, or a signature-machine…

          Erroneous robo-signing (eg, signing forclosure docs for a non-delinquent property) is wrong & should be dealt with severely – but that is a civil tort not a criminal offense… Anyone who does that should be sued & have to pay…

          What many people missed in the e-loan-documents/robosigning ‘controversy’ is that during the Clinton era, when the .com boom made a paperless world seem alot closer than it was, laws were passed at the Federal level that make electronic documents and digital signatures legally binding.

          Which should, if we are following Art 6 of the Constitution, override any state law requiring paper documents and pen/ink signatures.

          The overwhelming majority of lawsuits challenging electronically-documented foreclosures were frivolous attempts by deadbeats to keep a house they were not paying for.

  • trimulchio

    1) Would banks of this size exist if there were not an implied promise of rescue, even if it started with smaller banks during the S&L Crisis?

    2) Would a different business model be prevalent, but for this implied promise? Prior to the mid-to-late1980s, the US banking system was dominated by a larger number of regional banks, arguably a more resilieant system. Is this structural change coorallation or causeation?

    3) Should tax dollars EVER be used to save private entities no matter what the threat?

    4) How does EVEYTHING not become “too big to fail,” as the car industry did?

    5) Are things really EVER too big to fail? Lots of Lehman’s functional businesses were sold off, granted at fire sale prices, and do well today. Isn’t that how things should work? Isn’t “price finding” how markets work?

    6) Commercial and Savings Banking is probably less market-based and more regulation and contract-based. Investment banking is lamost pure market activity. Doesn’t it make sense to have a “fire-break” between these activities?

    7) Several of the big investment banks lived because the Fed opened the discount window to them, as it does with savings and commercial banks. Should this have been done?

    8) Seems like a lot of the problem in ’08 was that the people selling and buying the derivative instruments did not understand them. Seems like requiring a prospectus could help.

    9) The US Dollar (“USD”) is effectively tied to a “commodity”—Oil. Since other countries generally need USD to buy oil, we have a larger money supply with less inflation and a stronger currency than we would have otherwise.

    Possibly, we should tie the money supply to output of the economy as a whole to mitigate either inflation or deflation. Peter Schiff has some good ideas on this in his recent book. (http://www.amazon.com/The-Real-Crash-Americas-Bankruptcy—How/dp/1250004470/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1338826048&sr=1-1.)

  • garfieldjl

    The car industry largely got themselves into their mess. The banks however were forced to make loans to people that couldn’t afford them via the Community Reinvestment Act. They were subject to predatory audits among other things if they refused to go along with bad lending practices.

    Then there is the fact some banks were forced to take bailout money under duress and they didn’t need the money to begin with.

    Best thing to do is break up Fannae/Freddie, and get government out of the lending business, which they screwed up.

    Personally I would like to see the Senators and Congressmen that were protecting Fannae/Freddie from audits have to pay for the bailout, cause they arguably are largely responsible for this mess.

    In summary, I’m more sympathetic to banks due to the fact their plight was arguably due to government forcing them into the mess to begin with. GM however caused their own mess and they shouldn’t have gotten 1 dime from taxpayers. The sad part in the case of the banks is we got stuck with the bill from the damage the Federal Government did to banks.

  • bbjaylive

    The US isn’t having a problem with inflation and it doesn’t require having the dollar being tied to anything. As for Peter Schiff, his predictions on hyperinflation are based on a misunderstanding of how money is created and the fact that the US is a Monetary Sovereign nation.

  • Dave_A

    1) Without the implied promise of rescue, big banks would be the only banks. No one would trust a 5-branch neighborhood bank without the FDIC et-al backing it up.

    2) Those regional-sized banks (and smaller) were LESS resilient because they were MORE exposed to consumer loans.

    And the banking structure of the 80s was a creature of Roosevelt regulation – created by a combination of antitrust & heavy controls on the financial sector that emerged from the Great Depression.

    3) Two points on so-called ‘bailouts’:

    First, if the choice is between something like TARP and a deflationary spiral (As it was), it’s no question: Do TARP.

    Second, when the mess in question is of the government’s making (combination of HUD, Fan/Fred, CRA, and so on) then the government bears the responsibility for ‘changing the sheets’ after they crap the bed….

    This is why keeping government OUT of the financial markets is critical….

    4) The only other SECTOR that is too big to fail, is that of defense/arms manufacture. And like banking, it’s just a fact of life in a capitalist economy (vs the old WWII-era system where government arsenals made our weapons – and make no mistake, the current system is better)….

    The rest of the economy can’t become too big to fail, because it doesn’t perform a unique critical function – like making our money, or arming our military.

    We can survive as a nation without car manufacturers for instance (although due to the physical assets tied up in the auto industry, that’s unlikely – the ‘Auto Bailout’ was really a UAW bailout, because the union was the #1 group with something to lose)….

    We can’t survive as a nation without banks, or without modern arms for our military (which cannot be produced by civilian-goods manufacturing firms, due to the complexity of such systems once you get beyond personal pop-guns)….

    5) Like I said, there are 2 SECTORS of the economy – no matter how organized – that will always be so critical to US national and economic security that they will ALWAYS be ‘too big to fail’ – our banks, and our arms industry. Fact of life, can’t change it, deal…

    6) NO, NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!

    Diversified firms, with both investment banking AND commercial/retail arms, are BETTER equipped to survive a crisis in one of those sectors, by relying on the income from other aspects of the business to cover losses on the ‘crisis’ side…

    The only thing that ‘Glass Stegal’ and it’s bastard stepchild the so-called ‘Volkler Rule’ do, is make banks MORE dependent on government, by making them one-dimensional institutions that have nowhere to turn if their sector (investments, or commercial/retail) starts to sink.

    Chase and Goldman-Sachs did just fine through 08 – they were well ran, and took advantage of their competition’s weakness to get bigger and make money. Same for Wells Fargo, and to a lesser extent, Bank of America (which bit off more than it could chew with Merrili Lynch)…. If it wasn’t for the repeal of Glass, things would have been MUCH, MUCH worse…

    6) The Federal Reserve IS A BANK – NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.

    So YES, it is absolutely proper for them to lend to whoever they think they need to lend to. It’s not taxpayer money, and it’s NOT a bailout (no matter how much befuddled news reporters who see the word ‘Federal’ in the name and assume the FED’s activities are paid for with government cash insist it is)

    If the FED made alot of bad bets, there would be room to criticize the management – but they didn’t… Lending Chase & Goldman oodles of money to buy failing banks, for example, was a sensible business proposition…

    It was a good bet that those companies would survive, that they would turn the cash-poor/asset-rich failed companies they bought into successful ventures (or liquidate them for a profit)… And what do you know, that’s exactly what happened…

    As for derivatives, the problem wasn’t derivatives, it was ‘toxic stew’ floating around in the market, creating a situation where everything else was an unknown quantity… Is that a pig in that there poke, or a pissed off tomcat (hiss-hiss, spat, MREAAARRWWW!)?

    8 ) Derivatives and CDS are just great, if the investments they are written against are known-quality goods. When the market is full of we-have-no-damn-clue-what-it’s-worth-so-call-it-all-junk crap… The entire system goes nutz-o, including the derivatives system.

    9 ) The ‘Dollar tied to Oil’ thing is baloney. Period.

    The fact that the ME other than Iran likes USD for oil has nothing to do with the value of the currency – it’s a correlation-causation mixup.

    The USD has the value it does because it’s the world’s reserve currency – due to the stability of the US economy in non-Obama-ish times, the rest of the world uses the Dollar to store it’s wealth rather than the extremely unstable/volatile bad-old-days standby of gold…

    This ‘world reserve currency’ status is why petro-states want dollars (because they intend to keep their wealth in USD – and thus if they took Euros or Yuan would have to buy USD with it after the fact), not vice-versa…

    If we loose WRCS, our economy will splatter pretty damn fast… Which is why it’s imperative we don’t isolate from the world – if we do, they’ll find another currency to trade in….

  • Flagstaff

    Lots of good answers, too. I’m just not sure which are the right answers.

    I don’t know about a USD-oil connections, but I do agree that we don’t have high inflation now because dollars are distributed around the world, not just in the US. I don’t find comfort in a distinction between economic hyperinflation and political hyperinflation. The latter is the one we’re in danger from now, anyway, money created to pay off government debts.

    Regional banks still exist, and it’s difficult to say whether they are more or less safe than the huge banking behemoths. But I’d rather I had my money in UMBF stock than in Citigroup for any period you can name.

    Maybe the question shouldn’t be abut “too big to fail,” it should be about “too big to succeed.”

    Unusual diary–all the comments are inside one thread, so far.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s legal tender and you have to pay US taxes with it.

    That’s it.

    Apparently that’s all we need.

  • trimulchio

    (at least part of which is a function of a weaker dollar buying less oil), but it would have more of a problem if petro-dollars did not allow a larger money supply than we could usually get away with. Very likely, if the oil-USD relationship ended we would see severe inflation, if not (necessarily) Weimar-style hyper-inflation.

    Dumping dollars would be a bad choice, especially for countries like China and Japan that hold a lot of USD. However, in chaotic markets, real errors of that magnetude are not rare.

  • bbjaylive

    Adam Smith warned in “Wealth of Nations” about rentiers and big business. He wasn’t the free-market fundamentalist that many think of him to be. Lol, Murray Rothbard called him a “quasi-socialist”.

    The CRA had little to do with the crisis.

    Too many of these banks make massive bets that if gone wrong, can have too much of an effect on the rest of the economy. It is an exercise in futility in defending or even sympathising with these banks.

    Yes people shouldn’t have been foolish and selfish in accepting those loans, but the banks are equally culpable.

  • trimulchio

    it becomes difficult NOT to bail out the Auto Industry. The focus is the down stream harm, not the things the industry did to get in the difficulty to begin with.

  • trimulchio

    Other than Iran, all the oil producing countries accept payment in dollars.

    As a result, we have a larger money supply and a higher velocity of money than we might have and a sounder currency because there is a demand for dollars.

  • trimulchio

    instruments (or with “junk bonds”) so long as everyone understands the instrument and its risk.

    When people buying and selling these instruments don’t understand them, things go wrong.

  • bbjaylive

    I didn’t say anything about dollars in my post.

  • bbjaylive

    There is nothing preventing them from not understanding the instruments again. Human stupidity will always exist.

  • acat

    and since I consider Rothbard and Krugman to be cut from the same defective cloth…

    Mew

  • acat

    How do you propose to make us safe from ourselves?

    Mew

  • bbjaylive

    …that any nation that can issue it’s own currency and has most of its debts denominated in that currency, is in no danger of hyperinflation, ESPECIALLY, seeing if you’re not at full employment and thus maximising your output ala the US.

  • bbjaylive

    I was implying that his notion that Adam Smith was a “quasi-socialist” was ridiculous, just like neo-Confederates who think the Constitution is a statist document. I was also saying that Smith was no Austrian “let the free market reign” fundamentalist. In fact, the “invisible hand” concept has been misconstrued by some as if all private interests are public goods, they’re not.

  • Dave_A

    ntxt

  • conservativerock5

    He was very intolerant and attacked people he wasn’t in 100% agreement with.

    Also, I think Smith and Rothbard are in agreement when it comes to big banks and big business. They both wanted a hands off approach to those naturally forming in the free market but detested intermingling with the government.

  • trimulchio

    someone in a white shoe law firm to have to prepare a prospectus on the instrument. Then maybe that person, very bright, always has the answers, has to go to their supervising partner, who has years more experiance in being very clever, to admit they don’t understand what is going on with this. Then the supervising partner might have to go to the originating partner who then has to call the client and ask, “How does this work?” Somewhere in the process, alarm bells go off somewhere with someone.

    I’m not a big fan of regulation. Mostly, it is useless and a waste of time. However, there are three things regulations do that are useful:

    1) Define terms. What does “free on Board” mean? How many metters in a kilometer? How many onces in a pound.

    2) Require transparency. No one wants to put their cards on the table unless forced to. Yes, people dissemble in SEC reports like 10-Ks, but others learn to read between the lines. This would have helped with derivatives.

    3) Outlaw patent conflict of interest and fraud. There is much to admire in Ayn Rand. The idea that there is no such thing as a conflict of interest is not one of them.

    Sometimes, in these limited areas, Regulations provide a speed bump that makes people temper enthusiasm with judgement.

  • trimulchio

    Inflating a country’s way out of a debt crisis is tempting. However, there is room for error.

  • Dave_A

    And yes, that includes that LYING IDIOT** Pete Schiff and his best-buddy Ron Paul….

    The problem with the black-unicorn known as ‘economic hyperinflation’, is that it assumes gluttony is the natural state of markets, eg that all supply will always be consumed.

    ===================================
    Why do I say ‘economic hyperinflation’? Because this fictional beast’s twin – ‘political hyperinflation’ – is very, very real and very bad news…. So to differentiate, we’ll use qualified terms:

    Economic Hyperinflation, is a condition where hyperinflation comes into existence solely because the banking system creates too much money – without any underlying political action (such as a lost war, property confiscation, forced-deportation, or similar). Economic Hyperinflation is essentially impossible, and has never actually happened

    Political Hyperinflation is a condition where a nation’s government drops the ball so incredibly, that said political action causes the utter destruction of the nation’s entire economy. Examples include Germany (Losing WWI), Zimbabwe (Property seizure from productive businesses, to provide loot for Mugabe’s graft & patronage).

    This creates a national dilemma between deflationary spiral or hyperinflation – and people, not being totally insane (save Ron Paul & Pete Schiff), ALWAYS choose hyperinflation over a deflationary spiral.
    ===================================

    Definitions out of the way, here’s the issue:

    A fractional-reserve based system (unlike a command-monetary-economy, where the government controls the money supply by legislative dictate) only creates as much money as the market demands.

    In a situation where money supply severely exceeds money demand (The requisite condition for hyperinflation), the market conditions will result in a reduction in the following:
    1) Firms leaving the lending business due to insufficient profit
    2) Higher rates being charged for loans due to a higher inflation-premium

    This, combined with an already low demand for money compared to supply, will result in less loans made, which will ‘destroy’ money and reduce the supply. Crisis averted, mythical beast sighting saved for another day….

    Fractional Reserve monetary systems are thus self-governing – they will only create as much money as there is a demand for, and when there is excessively more money than demand, said money will not enter the market (just like if there is an excess of goods beyond possible demand, those goods will be withheld from the market until it is profitable to sell them).

    For this reason, you will NEVER see hyperinflation due to ‘money printing’ on it’s own. The market makes this IMPOSSIBLE.

    The ONLY time hyperinflation is possible, is if a government edict or action destroys the productive capacity of the economy & creates a situation where the choice is between all money leaving the economy to purchase foreign goods (deflationary spiral) or the creation of money to replace that spent on foreign goods without any value (Note: VALUE IS NOT THE SAME AS PHYSICAL GOODS) being created by the economy to support said issue of money.

    ** Pete Schiff is a lying, idiotic fraud because he claims in his own self-promotion that he ‘predicted the 2008 financial crisis’.

    The problem? The BIG PETE SCHIFF LIE?

    Pete Schiff predicted a hyperinflationary crisis due to ‘too much money printing’, and offered gold-buggery as the solution.

    The 2008 crisis was, of course, as close as you get to a deflationary spiral without blowing your national economic brains out.

    So Pete’s prediction was like prophesying that ‘Your house will burn down in a wildfire’ and claiming to be right when said house is swept away by a flood.

    Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire (and he’s wrong about everything else, too)

  • bbjaylive

    but it’s independent within the government.

    Too bad that the RONPAUL R3V0LUTION!!! lead everyone (except Cain) in the GOP to think that the Fed needed to be ‘audited’ and that it was a good idea to ‘audit’ it, not even pondering on the fact that the Fed is audited every year. If it was ‘audited’ it would give the economic buffoons in Congress A LOT more control and interference in the Fed’s operations, basically stripping away the Fed’s independence.

    Even worse, people were actually recommending Paul to be Fed Chairman, not realising that if that happened, the US would be plunged into pre-Keynesian times and Paul and his merry band of Austrians would be happy to impose their psuedo-macro-morality on the US and punish it for its “lust for credit” and “living beyond its means” ushering the certain destruction of America.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    great column btw
    I agree with you 99% (maybe 100%…smile) and took a lot of heat from favoring TARP at the time and for suggesting that tea partiers not use TARP as a litmus test issue.

  • Dave_A

    And they are looking to regulate it into the ground, or take it over, depending on what ‘it’ is.

    An ‘audit’ of the FED will say whatever the pols want it to, and the ignorant public – most of whom have NO formal economics education & probably think that Milton Friedman was a nerdy TV character, Von Mises was a WWI flying-ace, and have never heard of John M Keynes – will eat it all up.

    That’s also my #1 argument for keeping the FED as independent as possible – the absolute worst possible situation, is for our monetary policy to be made on Capitol Hill.

  • commonsenseobserver

    I think too many of us failed to empathise with President Bush.

    I still don’t like Glass-Steagall…

  • Dave_A

    It weakens our financial sector, by preventing firms from having a ‘backup business’ to fall back on, if one side of the house hits a melt-down…

    The 2 ‘Strongest’ banks during the Crisis – JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo – BOTH had extensive proprietary trading and investment divisions that would violate Glass & Volkler.

    The profits from those divisions were use to offset losses in the home and commercial real-estate lending arm…

    By allowing banks to diversify into other areas of finance, we give them the ability to ride out a crisis in one area of the economy without government help (And it’s public record that Chase and Wells were FORCED to take TARP money – they didn’t need it)…

    The worst part of Glass, is the implicit ‘deal’ that comes with it – in return for confining banks to commercial/retail banking, the government implicitly agrees to bail them out in the future if there’s a crisis in that sector…

    Like the CRA mess, it’s a ‘govt crapped the bed, now govt has to clean the sheets – because no one else can’ scenario… The way to avoid this, is to keep govt away from the banks…