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	<title>Comments on: Multiple Choice Mitt’s Changing Colors on Romneycare</title>
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		<title>By: metairiemike</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6812</link>
		<dc:creator>metairiemike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pointed out that she believes Mitt Romney is to the right of George Bush when it comes to Supreme Court appointments, has Robert Bork as his advisor on legal and SCOTUS matters and would nominate justices like Alito, Thomas, Roberts and Scalia to the court.  
If anyone needs a reason to vote for Romney, guys, there it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pointed out that she believes Mitt Romney is to the right of George Bush when it comes to Supreme Court appointments, has Robert Bork as his advisor on legal and SCOTUS matters and would nominate justices like Alito, Thomas, Roberts and Scalia to the court.<br />
If anyone needs a reason to vote for Romney, guys, there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tonotisto</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonotisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or did he say he&#039;ll repeal it?

Either way, we should take him at his word,  as he has never said things just to get elected before. Just look at You Tube, he has been very consistent.  

Also, he is not known for flip-flopping.

Plus, as a moderate progressive (Romney&#039;s words not mine), he will be dedicated to Conservative values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or did he say he&#8217;ll repeal it?</p>
<p>Either way, we should take him at his word,  as he has never said things just to get elected before. Just look at You Tube, he has been very consistent.  </p>
<p>Also, he is not known for flip-flopping.</p>
<p>Plus, as a moderate progressive (Romney&#8217;s words not mine), he will be dedicated to Conservative values.</p>
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		<title>By: cfogel1973</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfogel1973</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly Willard is not as electable as the republicans think he is.  

So which Willard are you working for?
The one for TARP or against it?
For abortion or against abortion?
Banning guns or 2nd amendment supporter?
For his own socialized medicine or against it?

Good luck and good bowling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly Willard is not as electable as the republicans think he is.  </p>
<p>So which Willard are you working for?<br />
The one for TARP or against it?<br />
For abortion or against abortion?<br />
Banning guns or 2nd amendment supporter?<br />
For his own socialized medicine or against it?</p>
<p>Good luck and good bowling.</p>
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		<title>By: gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that does not have an embed code so I cannot paste the link.  I wonder if any of you have heard of this...

A neurosurgeon called Levin on the way back from a meeting in DC on Obamacare.  He states that it is not known by the public yet but but at the age of 70 a person who presents at the emergency room with a brain bleed will only be given &quot;comfort care,&quot;  That is, Strokes will not be treated!

Not only that persons are not called patients;  we are call &quot;UNITS!&quot;  Ethics panels,  will get together and decide what type of care will be approved and NOBODY over 70 will be approved.  This information was provided to the neurosurgeon by HHS.

So what do you all think?  Do you trust Romney to get rid of Obamacare?  Last I heard he said he was going to fix it.  That is both before and after he said he was going to repeal it...all in the same month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that does not have an embed code so I cannot paste the link.  I wonder if any of you have heard of this&#8230;</p>
<p>A neurosurgeon called Levin on the way back from a meeting in DC on Obamacare.  He states that it is not known by the public yet but but at the age of 70 a person who presents at the emergency room with a brain bleed will only be given &#8220;comfort care,&#8221;  That is, Strokes will not be treated!</p>
<p>Not only that persons are not called patients;  we are call &#8220;UNITS!&#8221;  Ethics panels,  will get together and decide what type of care will be approved and NOBODY over 70 will be approved.  This information was provided to the neurosurgeon by HHS.</p>
<p>So what do you all think?  Do you trust Romney to get rid of Obamacare?  Last I heard he said he was going to fix it.  That is both before and after he said he was going to repeal it&#8230;all in the same month.</p>
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		<title>By: darkswen</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkswen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[seems to indicate that Obamacare also dumps everyone under 137% of the poverty line into Medicaid. The calculator indicates that a family of 4 at $31,000 a year or a single person at $15,000 a year is dumped into Medicaid. Same people at $32,000 for 4 or $15,000 for 1 receives can receive a tax credit(welfare) to their insurance company for 90+% of their premium. By adjusting the ages I was able to get the amount of tax credit(welfare) over $30,000 dollars a year.It appears to incentivize people to keep income low. Do not see how it can possible work.  It seems to be designed to push government spending to economy collapsing levels. http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems to indicate that Obamacare also dumps everyone under 137% of the poverty line into Medicaid. The calculator indicates that a family of 4 at $31,000 a year or a single person at $15,000 a year is dumped into Medicaid. Same people at $32,000 for 4 or $15,000 for 1 receives can receive a tax credit(welfare) to their insurance company for 90+% of their premium. By adjusting the ages I was able to get the amount of tax credit(welfare) over $30,000 dollars a year.It appears to incentivize people to keep income low. Do not see how it can possible work.  It seems to be designed to push government spending to economy collapsing levels. http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx</p>
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		<title>By: goodolboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodolboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Federalism is all about the states basically doing as they see what is best for them in that state.  If they screw it up they learn from their mistakes and press on. Either they can entirely what they were doing or modify it.  So many times things look good on paper and in discussions and trial runs but are totally different when put into practice.  My point being let states experiment as they want on an individual basis and others can look at it and take it or leave it.  The Federal Government should have no role in those types of issues cause one size does not fit all.  Just remember at the federal level it is not about solving a problem but gaining power and control over peoples lives.  This is what the Founders feared and want things left at the state level and the federal government had only those powers given to it in the Constitution.  It is interesting to note that the vast majority of states mention Jesus and God in their constituions and Christianity was basically state religions.  This did not violate the Constitution. What concerns me is we basically have only two viable choices for the Republican nomination...Gingrich and Romney.  None of the &quot;perfect candidates&quot; are running so we have to go with what we have. I have been very disappointed in Gingrich and Perry&#039;s recent anti-capitalist comments made as to Romney and Bain Capital.  I supported Cain, and then shifted to Newt when Cain dropped out. Now Newt&#039;s actions of the last two days are a concern.  Let&#039;s work to get a 60 seat majority in the Senate, maintain control in the House, and get a maybe-not-so-perfect Republican as president.  We have got to stop the socialism that&#039;s now going on .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federalism is all about the states basically doing as they see what is best for them in that state.  If they screw it up they learn from their mistakes and press on. Either they can entirely what they were doing or modify it.  So many times things look good on paper and in discussions and trial runs but are totally different when put into practice.  My point being let states experiment as they want on an individual basis and others can look at it and take it or leave it.  The Federal Government should have no role in those types of issues cause one size does not fit all.  Just remember at the federal level it is not about solving a problem but gaining power and control over peoples lives.  This is what the Founders feared and want things left at the state level and the federal government had only those powers given to it in the Constitution.  It is interesting to note that the vast majority of states mention Jesus and God in their constituions and Christianity was basically state religions.  This did not violate the Constitution. What concerns me is we basically have only two viable choices for the Republican nomination&#8230;Gingrich and Romney.  None of the &#8220;perfect candidates&#8221; are running so we have to go with what we have. I have been very disappointed in Gingrich and Perry&#8217;s recent anti-capitalist comments made as to Romney and Bain Capital.  I supported Cain, and then shifted to Newt when Cain dropped out. Now Newt&#8217;s actions of the last two days are a concern.  Let&#8217;s work to get a 60 seat majority in the Senate, maintain control in the House, and get a maybe-not-so-perfect Republican as president.  We have got to stop the socialism that&#8217;s now going on .</p>
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		<title>By: redcal</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6804</link>
		<dc:creator>redcal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[* Far more liberal than superficially thought
* A videotaped Francophile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyP2M0DTch8
)
* Insincere/Inauthentic
* Unable to generate a sense of mission, even among his own base
* Entitled]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* Far more liberal than superficially thought<br />
* A videotaped Francophile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyP2M0DTch8<br />
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* Insincere/Inauthentic<br />
* Unable to generate a sense of mission, even among his own base<br />
* Entitled</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[....if he wins the election...Republicans will be in the impossible position of defending something Mitt has said...they will go out on a limb on a line of attack to defend Romney only to find ourselves all alone while Windsock Willard will be back at the tree sawing the limb off by changing his position to pander to the media.

If he wins the nomination...he will have my vote...and nothing more....I won&#039;t spend this election being berated and brow beaten about supporting the nominee...I will go silent....I will vote for the bum...but that&#039;s it.

My integrity means something to me....it has value...I will NOT sell it or give it away defending Romney and that video says all that needs be said about why!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.if he wins the election&#8230;Republicans will be in the impossible position of defending something Mitt has said&#8230;they will go out on a limb on a line of attack to defend Romney only to find ourselves all alone while Windsock Willard will be back at the tree sawing the limb off by changing his position to pander to the media.</p>
<p>If he wins the nomination&#8230;he will have my vote&#8230;and nothing more&#8230;.I won&#8217;t spend this election being berated and brow beaten about supporting the nominee&#8230;I will go silent&#8230;.I will vote for the bum&#8230;but that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>My integrity means something to me&#8230;.it has value&#8230;I will NOT sell it or give it away defending Romney and that video says all that needs be said about why!</p>
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		<title>By: furiouschads</title>
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		<dc:creator>furiouschads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wooden
Inevitable
Electable (I don&#039;t like him but normal people will vote for him.)
Privileged
Well funded
Moderate (within his party&#039;s spectrum)
From Mass.
Flipflopper]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wooden<br />
Inevitable<br />
Electable (I don&#8217;t like him but normal people will vote for him.)<br />
Privileged<br />
Well funded<br />
Moderate (within his party&#8217;s spectrum)<br />
From Mass.<br />
Flipflopper</p>
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		<title>By: jimmyneutron</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmyneutron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tipping point has been reached. Either we begin to seriously reverse course now or there will be no reversing course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tipping point has been reached. Either we begin to seriously reverse course now or there will be no reversing course.</p>
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		<title>By: goodgovernance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6799</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgovernance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is that let&#039;s say Romney actually wins in the general (odds are Obama will, though, but just barely).  What do we get?  Sure, we don&#039;t get Obama&#039;s vast government agenda, but we get a moderate who won&#039;t have the courage to enact the big changes that need to be made, out of fear of what will happen to his poll ratings.

We get a status quo Republican party for four years, possibly eight if the country doesn&#039;t turn on Romney in his first term.  But after eight years of status quo, the nation most definitely will be in the mood to go Dem, change for change&#039;s sake.

And so where does that leave conservatives?  We&#039;ll have to wait another decade before we really get a chance to change Washington!

Look at the way the Romney crowd has returned to comment on RedState, flooding the board with talking points straight from Romney Central.   I do think it&#039;s kind of strange there&#039;s no way to take Romney on without being labeled as a Leftist, but the Establishment has thought their strategy through, give them that much.  They just don&#039;t have a real plan for the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that let&#8217;s say Romney actually wins in the general (odds are Obama will, though, but just barely).  What do we get?  Sure, we don&#8217;t get Obama&#8217;s vast government agenda, but we get a moderate who won&#8217;t have the courage to enact the big changes that need to be made, out of fear of what will happen to his poll ratings.</p>
<p>We get a status quo Republican party for four years, possibly eight if the country doesn&#8217;t turn on Romney in his first term.  But after eight years of status quo, the nation most definitely will be in the mood to go Dem, change for change&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>And so where does that leave conservatives?  We&#8217;ll have to wait another decade before we really get a chance to change Washington!</p>
<p>Look at the way the Romney crowd has returned to comment on RedState, flooding the board with talking points straight from Romney Central.   I do think it&#8217;s kind of strange there&#8217;s no way to take Romney on without being labeled as a Leftist, but the Establishment has thought their strategy through, give them that much.  They just don&#8217;t have a real plan for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: carolynr</title>
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		<dc:creator>carolynr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>companies or the federal government</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewHyman</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6797</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewHyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and I meant to say &quot;under MedicAid as a last resort&quot; instead of &quot;under MediCare as a last resort&quot;.  I will now retire for the night before completely exhausting the word &quot;oops&quot;.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I meant to say &#8220;under MedicAid as a last resort&#8221; instead of &#8220;under MediCare as a last resort&#8221;.  I will now retire for the night before completely exhausting the word &#8220;oops&#8221;.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AndrewHyman</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6796</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewHyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, the title should have said &quot;vs&quot; instead of &quot;bs&quot;.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, the title should have said &#8220;vs&#8221; instead of &#8220;bs&#8221;.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AndrewHyman</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6795</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewHyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

In my opinion, RomneyCare is vastly better than ObamaCare primarily in that the latter is a nationwide program that bars states from trying different innovative approaches, while also exceeding the constitutional powers of Congress. ?Additionally, as I understand it, ObamaCare grabbed half a trillion dollars from Medicare, thus jeopardizing the elderly. ?In terms of making a bureaucratic mess, it seems like Romney&#039;s 70-page bill was much less onerous than Obama&#039;s??2,700-page bill.

You mention the &quot;iron fist&quot; of the federal government controlling?Medicaid, SChip, VA, and the 800-pound gorilla -Medicare, but hasn&#039;t Romney explicitly said that he wants to take that federal money and send it back to the states so they can directly control those programs?

If someone has a heart attack, or cancer, or the like then they ought to get life-saving treatment. ?I&#039;m not sure why that wasn&#039;t already covered in Massachusetts pre-Romney under MediCare as a last resort, which is why I am not crazy about RomneyCare. ?But there there do seem to be huge differences between ObamaCare and RomneyCare, including that the former is illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful reply.</p>
<p>In my opinion, RomneyCare is vastly better than ObamaCare primarily in that the latter is a nationwide program that bars states from trying different innovative approaches, while also exceeding the constitutional powers of Congress. ?Additionally, as I understand it, ObamaCare grabbed half a trillion dollars from Medicare, thus jeopardizing the elderly. ?In terms of making a bureaucratic mess, it seems like Romney&#8217;s 70-page bill was much less onerous than Obama&#8217;s??2,700-page bill.</p>
<p>You mention the &#8220;iron fist&#8221; of the federal government controlling?Medicaid, SChip, VA, and the 800-pound gorilla -Medicare, but hasn&#8217;t Romney explicitly said that he wants to take that federal money and send it back to the states so they can directly control those programs?</p>
<p>If someone has a heart attack, or cancer, or the like then they ought to get life-saving treatment. ?I&#8217;m not sure why that wasn&#8217;t already covered in Massachusetts pre-Romney under MediCare as a last resort, which is why I am not crazy about RomneyCare. ?But there there do seem to be huge differences between ObamaCare and RomneyCare, including that the former is illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Tarasewicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Tarasewicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothnig good ever happened when a Republican worked with Ted K.  We have No Child Lef Behind, Romneycare, the 2006 or was it 2007 McCain/Kennedy amnesty but we managed to stop that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothnig good ever happened when a Republican worked with Ted K.  We have No Child Lef Behind, Romneycare, the 2006 or was it 2007 McCain/Kennedy amnesty but we managed to stop that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Horowitz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6793</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[where you are citing this vague notion that Romneycare was vastly better than O-Care.  The subsidies under the govt run exchanges are actually steeper and disincentivize upward mobility even more than Obamacare.  Moreover, he dumped 200,000 people onto medicaid, which is funded by taxpayers of all states.  So in that respect it is worse than Obamacare.

The bottom line is that there aren&#039;t enough substantial differences between the two in order to rationalize support for one (Romneycare) but visceral opposition to the other (obamacare).  Either you believe that an unencumbered free market drives down costs and that more mandates and third-party programs drive up costs, or you believe, as Obama does, that more intervention is the way to go.  Romneycare is completely premised on the latter.

By all accounts, health insurance premiums in Mass. have skyrocketed as a result of MassCare.  So it is actually these gov&#039;t interventions that make insurance unaffordable and &quot;help lose decades from people&#039;s lives&quot;.  In order to save those who suffer from such gov&#039;t-induced price increases, Romneycare and Obamacare dump so many people on Medicaid.

In order to understand the way forward, we need to learn why healtcare and health insurance is so expensive?  On the healthcare side, a big part of it is tort problems.  On the insurance side, it is the lack of a free-market.  It is these very policies of guaranteed issue, community rating, restrictions on purchasing across state lines that are distorting the marker and driving up the cost of insurance.  We need to move away from them, not double down on them, as Romney and Obama have done.

The reason why states have a difficult time dealing with this issue is because they are precluded by the government, which runs most of healthcare (even before Obamacare) with an iron fist; Medicaid, SChip, VA, and the 800-pound gorilla -Medicare.  There is not much a state can do when the largest drivers and movers of healthcare policy and costs are inexorably driving up costs.  We need reform from the federal level in which we subsidize a voucher program (or, at the very least, premium support) for Medicare and veterans healthcare.  This will open the biggest drivers of healthcare spending up to market forces and create downward pressure on prices.

Nothing is free in life, and certainly, the best healthcare in the world cannot and should not be free.  But only free-market reforms will make the cost somewhat manageable.  for the remaining people who can&#039;t afford it. we should have one safety net program that works similar to food stamps.  Instead of a third-party market-distorter like Medicaid, we should give them medical stamps to purchase private insurance.  But either way, the overarching goal should not be dependency; we should structure the program to encourage people to become more independent.

Remaining reforms would include modifying the medicare payroll tax to go into HSAs, leveling the playing field between employer-based insurance and personal insurance by either offering both tax credits - or neither.  

There are many other free-market ideas, but the federal gov&#039;t must act first so states can be free to experiment.  What Romney did is 180 degrees the opposite of prudent market-based reform.

I think you are right in the sense that healthcare costs are very high -to high.  Republicans need to do a better job articulating and empathizing with those who suffer from the costs.  They must do so, not by mimicking Obama&#039;s failed socialist interventions, but by showing how it is those very policies that have engendered the problem in the first place.

I&#039;ll have more on free-market healthcare in the coming days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where you are citing this vague notion that Romneycare was vastly better than O-Care.  The subsidies under the govt run exchanges are actually steeper and disincentivize upward mobility even more than Obamacare.  Moreover, he dumped 200,000 people onto medicaid, which is funded by taxpayers of all states.  So in that respect it is worse than Obamacare.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that there aren&#8217;t enough substantial differences between the two in order to rationalize support for one (Romneycare) but visceral opposition to the other (obamacare).  Either you believe that an unencumbered free market drives down costs and that more mandates and third-party programs drive up costs, or you believe, as Obama does, that more intervention is the way to go.  Romneycare is completely premised on the latter.</p>
<p>By all accounts, health insurance premiums in Mass. have skyrocketed as a result of MassCare.  So it is actually these gov&#8217;t interventions that make insurance unaffordable and &#8220;help lose decades from people&#8217;s lives&#8221;.  In order to save those who suffer from such gov&#8217;t-induced price increases, Romneycare and Obamacare dump so many people on Medicaid.</p>
<p>In order to understand the way forward, we need to learn why healtcare and health insurance is so expensive?  On the healthcare side, a big part of it is tort problems.  On the insurance side, it is the lack of a free-market.  It is these very policies of guaranteed issue, community rating, restrictions on purchasing across state lines that are distorting the marker and driving up the cost of insurance.  We need to move away from them, not double down on them, as Romney and Obama have done.</p>
<p>The reason why states have a difficult time dealing with this issue is because they are precluded by the government, which runs most of healthcare (even before Obamacare) with an iron fist; Medicaid, SChip, VA, and the 800-pound gorilla -Medicare.  There is not much a state can do when the largest drivers and movers of healthcare policy and costs are inexorably driving up costs.  We need reform from the federal level in which we subsidize a voucher program (or, at the very least, premium support) for Medicare and veterans healthcare.  This will open the biggest drivers of healthcare spending up to market forces and create downward pressure on prices.</p>
<p>Nothing is free in life, and certainly, the best healthcare in the world cannot and should not be free.  But only free-market reforms will make the cost somewhat manageable.  for the remaining people who can&#8217;t afford it. we should have one safety net program that works similar to food stamps.  Instead of a third-party market-distorter like Medicaid, we should give them medical stamps to purchase private insurance.  But either way, the overarching goal should not be dependency; we should structure the program to encourage people to become more independent.</p>
<p>Remaining reforms would include modifying the medicare payroll tax to go into HSAs, leveling the playing field between employer-based insurance and personal insurance by either offering both tax credits &#8211; or neither.  </p>
<p>There are many other free-market ideas, but the federal gov&#8217;t must act first so states can be free to experiment.  What Romney did is 180 degrees the opposite of prudent market-based reform.</p>
<p>I think you are right in the sense that healthcare costs are very high -to high.  Republicans need to do a better job articulating and empathizing with those who suffer from the costs.  They must do so, not by mimicking Obama&#8217;s failed socialist interventions, but by showing how it is those very policies that have engendered the problem in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have more on free-market healthcare in the coming days.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewHyman</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6792</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewHyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I don&#039;t much like RomneyCare in its original form or as it exists today, but its original form was vastly better than ObamaCare (which is an extremely bureaucratic national program and unconstitutional to boot), and the original form of RomneyCare was also better than doing nothing.  I don&#039;t think that people ought to lose decades off their life spans due to not being able to afford medical care or not having insurance, nor does it seem fair that uninsured people obtain free care while the rest of us get stuck with the bill.  How does Mr. Horowitz propose to solve these problems?  Have any states solved these problems satisfactorily?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t much like RomneyCare in its original form or as it exists today, but its original form was vastly better than ObamaCare (which is an extremely bureaucratic national program and unconstitutional to boot), and the original form of RomneyCare was also better than doing nothing.  I don&#8217;t think that people ought to lose decades off their life spans due to not being able to afford medical care or not having insurance, nor does it seem fair that uninsured people obtain free care while the rest of us get stuck with the bill.  How does Mr. Horowitz propose to solve these problems?  Have any states solved these problems satisfactorily?</p>
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		<title>By: WillWong</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/01/11/multiple-choice-mitt%e2%80%99s-changing-colors-on-romneycare/#comment-6790</link>
		<dc:creator>WillWong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I surely can&#039;t tell by looking at his poll numbers! Anyone else with his record, or lack of, would be at the lows thirty&#039;s or mid twenties and yet he is at mid 40&#039;s. A slanted MSM is worth at least 15~20 points for Obama. Mitt would not be able to campaign on our strongest weapon...the repeal of Obamacare, for Obamacare&#039;s predecessor was named after himself! On top of that, Mitt is the perfect foil for the 1% and the left will have a field day with his flip flopps and his tenure at bain Capital!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I surely can&#8217;t tell by looking at his poll numbers! Anyone else with his record, or lack of, would be at the lows thirty&#8217;s or mid twenties and yet he is at mid 40&#8242;s. A slanted MSM is worth at least 15~20 points for Obama. Mitt would not be able to campaign on our strongest weapon&#8230;the repeal of Obamacare, for Obamacare&#8217;s predecessor was named after himself! On top of that, Mitt is the perfect foil for the 1% and the left will have a field day with his flip flopps and his tenure at bain Capital!</p>
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