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	<title>Comments on: Senator Jerry Moran Wants to Pick Losers in the Market: His Choice is Big Wind</title>
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		<title>By: ricms</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/02/21/senator-jerry-moran-wants-to-pick-losers-in-the-market-his-choice-is-big-wind/#comment-7943</link>
		<dc:creator>ricms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To encourage domestic oil and gas production, Congress in 1916  threw the dictionary out and redefined the term intangible in legislation allowing the write off of 60-80% of drilling costs instead of capitalizing them as assets for standard depreciation purposes.  &quot;Intangible&quot; drilling costs include things that have a real physical presence like fuel, mud, chemicals,  labor, and other inputs that any other industry would have to capitalize.  Of course no other industry enjoys this ability to  expense costs in this manner  since they aren&#039;t drilling for oil and gas.  This interest free loan to the oil and gas companies is worth about $1B/yr. according to the Congressional Research Service.

In1926 Congress created the percentage depletion allowance that allows an oil and gas investor to deduct from income 15% per year as long as the well produces, even beyond the cost of the investment.  Another $1B/yr. 

Then in 1986 Congress  allowed non-corporate investors, again only in oil and gas development, to be considered as having a working interest  for the purposes of deducting losses against their active income.  

Subsidies are subsidies regardless of which end of the tax code they are on, deductions or tax credits, since the net effect is the same, a reduction in tax liability.  Most of the above applies to the independents.  

 I  encourage readers to look at the US tax code and then decide if Mr. Pompeo really wants to quit picking winners and losers or simply wants to protect the independent oil and gas industry.  Don&#039;t be fooled by his inclusion of oil and gas subsidies, the ones he picked only kick in with very low oil and gas prices, consequently have no current applicability.

Mr. Moran is simply picking another winner that&#039;s only had about twenty years to collect a subsidy compared to almost a century  for oil and gas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To encourage domestic oil and gas production, Congress in 1916  threw the dictionary out and redefined the term intangible in legislation allowing the write off of 60-80% of drilling costs instead of capitalizing them as assets for standard depreciation purposes.  &#8220;Intangible&#8221; drilling costs include things that have a real physical presence like fuel, mud, chemicals,  labor, and other inputs that any other industry would have to capitalize.  Of course no other industry enjoys this ability to  expense costs in this manner  since they aren&#8217;t drilling for oil and gas.  This interest free loan to the oil and gas companies is worth about $1B/yr. according to the Congressional Research Service.</p>
<p>In1926 Congress created the percentage depletion allowance that allows an oil and gas investor to deduct from income 15% per year as long as the well produces, even beyond the cost of the investment.  Another $1B/yr. </p>
<p>Then in 1986 Congress  allowed non-corporate investors, again only in oil and gas development, to be considered as having a working interest  for the purposes of deducting losses against their active income.  </p>
<p>Subsidies are subsidies regardless of which end of the tax code they are on, deductions or tax credits, since the net effect is the same, a reduction in tax liability.  Most of the above applies to the independents.  </p>
<p> I  encourage readers to look at the US tax code and then decide if Mr. Pompeo really wants to quit picking winners and losers or simply wants to protect the independent oil and gas industry.  Don&#8217;t be fooled by his inclusion of oil and gas subsidies, the ones he picked only kick in with very low oil and gas prices, consequently have no current applicability.</p>
<p>Mr. Moran is simply picking another winner that&#8217;s only had about twenty years to collect a subsidy compared to almost a century  for oil and gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/02/21/senator-jerry-moran-wants-to-pick-losers-in-the-market-his-choice-is-big-wind/#comment-7865</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kevinatawea</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Production Tax Credit has been supported on a bipartisan basis in the past, and continues to receive support from both sides today.

As Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) points out, ?The PTC means keeping investment dollars in the market place ? not in the hands of government.?

The federal PTC is an effective tool to allow developers to raise private capital in the marketplace and bring renewable energy projects to completion.  As well-known Republican advisor John Feehery recently wrote on his blog, The Feehery Theory: ?Many conservative governors understand the stakes and are pushing for the extension of the PTC. Such stalwarts of the right like Sam Brownback, the Kansas Governor, and Terry Branstad, the Iowa Governor, signed onto to a letter that urged the quick adoption of a PTC extension.?

Additionally, pro-business groups including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, Edison Electric Institute and American Farm Bureau Federation also support this PTC extension.

Here are the facts. A PTC extension bill has the support of 70 House members ? including 18 Republicans, four of which are on the Ways and Means committee. The PTC has also already contributed to more than $60 billion in private investment and 400+ manufacturing facilities across the U.S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Production Tax Credit has been supported on a bipartisan basis in the past, and continues to receive support from both sides today.</p>
<p>As Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) points out, ?The PTC means keeping investment dollars in the market place ? not in the hands of government.?</p>
<p>The federal PTC is an effective tool to allow developers to raise private capital in the marketplace and bring renewable energy projects to completion.  As well-known Republican advisor John Feehery recently wrote on his blog, The Feehery Theory: ?Many conservative governors understand the stakes and are pushing for the extension of the PTC. Such stalwarts of the right like Sam Brownback, the Kansas Governor, and Terry Branstad, the Iowa Governor, signed onto to a letter that urged the quick adoption of a PTC extension.?</p>
<p>Additionally, pro-business groups including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, Edison Electric Institute and American Farm Bureau Federation also support this PTC extension.</p>
<p>Here are the facts. A PTC extension bill has the support of 70 House members ? including 18 Republicans, four of which are on the Ways and Means committee. The PTC has also already contributed to more than $60 billion in private investment and 400+ manufacturing facilities across the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: smblues</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/02/21/senator-jerry-moran-wants-to-pick-losers-in-the-market-his-choice-is-big-wind/#comment-7858</link>
		<dc:creator>smblues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ive never been a huge fan of stand alone PV installations given how inefficient they are, and there are clearly huge problems with wind generation and bird/bat strikes. 

But distributed rooftop solar makes a heck of a lot of sense. 

And my main point was that coal, oil, and natural gas only seem  cheap because so few people live where they are extracted, and the negative effects when they are burned are widely distributed leading to discounting based on the way humans perceive source, risk and value. 

My main point is that we actually need government in this case to fix a free market failure. Is the PTC perfect? Heck no. But it does help support a real growth industry. I would love to see a per/quad evaluation of different technologies and their environmental impact. 

Personally I think we need to be throwing a heck of a lot more money into efficiency, advanced nuclear, and fusion, but that is a whole different can of worms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive never been a huge fan of stand alone PV installations given how inefficient they are, and there are clearly huge problems with wind generation and bird/bat strikes. </p>
<p>But distributed rooftop solar makes a heck of a lot of sense. </p>
<p>And my main point was that coal, oil, and natural gas only seem  cheap because so few people live where they are extracted, and the negative effects when they are burned are widely distributed leading to discounting based on the way humans perceive source, risk and value. </p>
<p>My main point is that we actually need government in this case to fix a free market failure. Is the PTC perfect? Heck no. But it does help support a real growth industry. I would love to see a per/quad evaluation of different technologies and their environmental impact. </p>
<p>Personally I think we need to be throwing a heck of a lot more money into efficiency, advanced nuclear, and fusion, but that is a whole different can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: carolina</title>
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		<dc:creator>carolina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[then this does not get out of hand.  The problem comes when different state reps/senators &#039;trade&#039; a yes vote for one state&#039;s goodie to get a yes vote for their own respective state&#039;s goodie.  We each need to hold our respective elected representatives&#039; feet to the fire. 
Meanwhile, the KS tea parties need to pound on Moran.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then this does not get out of hand.  The problem comes when different state reps/senators &#8216;trade&#8217; a yes vote for one state&#8217;s goodie to get a yes vote for their own respective state&#8217;s goodie.  We each need to hold our respective elected representatives&#8217; feet to the fire.<br />
Meanwhile, the KS tea parties need to pound on Moran.</p>
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		<title>By: renl57</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/02/21/senator-jerry-moran-wants-to-pick-losers-in-the-market-his-choice-is-big-wind/#comment-7856</link>
		<dc:creator>renl57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But be careful that you make fair comparisons.

You&#039;re comparing a vast coal/oil infrastructure that provides trillions of BTUs of energy vs. a relative few startup companies that do solar and wind power.  But if we tried to scale up solar power to the scale needed to replace oil, there would be plenty of externalities there too.

Would you care to calculate the externalities of paving over tens of thousands of square miles of delicate desert ecosystems with solar panels?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But be careful that you make fair comparisons.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re comparing a vast coal/oil infrastructure that provides trillions of BTUs of energy vs. a relative few startup companies that do solar and wind power.  But if we tried to scale up solar power to the scale needed to replace oil, there would be plenty of externalities there too.</p>
<p>Would you care to calculate the externalities of paving over tens of thousands of square miles of delicate desert ecosystems with solar panels?</p>
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		<title>By: renl57</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/02/21/senator-jerry-moran-wants-to-pick-losers-in-the-market-his-choice-is-big-wind/#comment-7855</link>
		<dc:creator>renl57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gotta be something in the Washington DC water supply that turns fiscal conservatives into Big Spenders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta be something in the Washington DC water supply that turns fiscal conservatives into Big Spenders.</p>
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		<title>By: smblues</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/02/21/senator-jerry-moran-wants-to-pick-losers-in-the-market-his-choice-is-big-wind/#comment-7854</link>
		<dc:creator>smblues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont understand why the production tax credit is such an awful thing. All energy production in this country is subsidized to a certain extent. Furthermore, there is a great case to be made for &quot;green&quot; energy sources. All energy sources have some drawbacks but the case for fossil fuels has always been how cheap they are. Cheap is a relative term as there are significant negative externalities involved with the production and use of fossil fuels. This isnt super environmentalist mumbo jumbo or global warming or whatever else you want to lampoon it as. This is hard economics and one of the few places the government should step in to internalize the true cost of different energy generation methods to fix a market failure. 

Even setting aside global warming and climate change, there is the fact that coal production is insanely costly the environment and while regulation like the clean air act and the clean water act have helped there is still significant pollution associated with mining and burning coal. Enjoy that mercury in your salmon. But of course coal isnt going anywhere anytime soon, but that doesnt mean that it should always be the cheapest source, because in reality it isnt that cheap just that the price is paid somewhere other than the meter. 

So why is a production tax credit that encourages manufacturing and helps to correct clear market failures such a bad thing? Please someone enlighten me why I shouldnt care about negative externalities when I consider the price of electricity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont understand why the production tax credit is such an awful thing. All energy production in this country is subsidized to a certain extent. Furthermore, there is a great case to be made for &#8220;green&#8221; energy sources. All energy sources have some drawbacks but the case for fossil fuels has always been how cheap they are. Cheap is a relative term as there are significant negative externalities involved with the production and use of fossil fuels. This isnt super environmentalist mumbo jumbo or global warming or whatever else you want to lampoon it as. This is hard economics and one of the few places the government should step in to internalize the true cost of different energy generation methods to fix a market failure. </p>
<p>Even setting aside global warming and climate change, there is the fact that coal production is insanely costly the environment and while regulation like the clean air act and the clean water act have helped there is still significant pollution associated with mining and burning coal. Enjoy that mercury in your salmon. But of course coal isnt going anywhere anytime soon, but that doesnt mean that it should always be the cheapest source, because in reality it isnt that cheap just that the price is paid somewhere other than the meter. </p>
<p>So why is a production tax credit that encourages manufacturing and helps to correct clear market failures such a bad thing? Please someone enlighten me why I shouldnt care about negative externalities when I consider the price of electricity.</p>
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		<title>By: citizenkh</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/02/21/senator-jerry-moran-wants-to-pick-losers-in-the-market-his-choice-is-big-wind/#comment-7853</link>
		<dc:creator>citizenkh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[doing appraising a plant and individual equipment items for its owner during that primary, and could have told everyone this back then.  Few listened, outside of KS.

It appears that Palin picked the &quot;right&quot; horse to endorse in that race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doing appraising a plant and individual equipment items for its owner during that primary, and could have told everyone this back then.  Few listened, outside of KS.</p>
<p>It appears that Palin picked the &#8220;right&#8221; horse to endorse in that race.</p>
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		<title>By: steeltube</title>
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		<dc:creator>steeltube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must be pointed out that BP has a large &quot;wind farm&quot; in Kansas and has said it will spend $800 million to outfit it. Additionally, a turbine manufacturing facility owned by Siemens is in Hutchinson Ks. I would wager that Rep. Pompeo has neither entity in his district.

 Moran---just like Tea Party types Tim Scott of SC (Charleston harbor dredging) and Jon Runyan of NJ (coastal beach re nourishment), believes in cutting spending wherever possible-just not in their back yards.

The de facto oath I assume all members of Congress take when elected is to cut spending and special interest programs JUST AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INVOLVE MY STATE, DISTRICT, MY CONTRIBUTORS, OR MY CONSTITUENTS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be pointed out that BP has a large &#8220;wind farm&#8221; in Kansas and has said it will spend $800 million to outfit it. Additionally, a turbine manufacturing facility owned by Siemens is in Hutchinson Ks. I would wager that Rep. Pompeo has neither entity in his district.</p>
<p> Moran&#8212;just like Tea Party types Tim Scott of SC (Charleston harbor dredging) and Jon Runyan of NJ (coastal beach re nourishment), believes in cutting spending wherever possible-just not in their back yards.</p>
<p>The de facto oath I assume all members of Congress take when elected is to cut spending and special interest programs JUST AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INVOLVE MY STATE, DISTRICT, MY CONTRIBUTORS, OR MY CONSTITUENTS.</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve warned about this before.  Gov. McDonnell, by executive order required that all state owned vehicles were to be switched over to alternative fuels.  McDonnell said at the time that it is his dream to see vehicles going down the road powered by solar energy.  He has requested $500,000 to be put in the next budget for a wind farm off the coast of Va.  

When campaigning, he promised to fight for off shore drilling off the VA coasts, and said it would be crucial for job growth in the state.  As we know, Obama banned off shore oil drilling, and told McDonnell, too bad but no.  McDonnell apparently took that as a hint that off shore oil drilling will never again happen, even if we elect a Republican president in 2012, and now wants to turn that area into a major wind farm, much like Christie has done in NJ.

McDonnell has endorsed Romney, one of the only two candidates on the VA primary ballot, and has been a very busy little bee campaigning with/for him around the country.  McDonnell has stated publically that he would be very honored to be chosen as the VP running mate.

So we have two Republican Governors who have endorsed Romney,  who are pushing ahead for wind energy, and alternative fuels.  Is that a hint that Romney will go all in for green energy initiatives?  I believe I read something about Romney passing the most strict state air quality standards in the nation when he was Gov. of Mass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve warned about this before.  Gov. McDonnell, by executive order required that all state owned vehicles were to be switched over to alternative fuels.  McDonnell said at the time that it is his dream to see vehicles going down the road powered by solar energy.  He has requested $500,000 to be put in the next budget for a wind farm off the coast of Va.  </p>
<p>When campaigning, he promised to fight for off shore drilling off the VA coasts, and said it would be crucial for job growth in the state.  As we know, Obama banned off shore oil drilling, and told McDonnell, too bad but no.  McDonnell apparently took that as a hint that off shore oil drilling will never again happen, even if we elect a Republican president in 2012, and now wants to turn that area into a major wind farm, much like Christie has done in NJ.</p>
<p>McDonnell has endorsed Romney, one of the only two candidates on the VA primary ballot, and has been a very busy little bee campaigning with/for him around the country.  McDonnell has stated publically that he would be very honored to be chosen as the VP running mate.</p>
<p>So we have two Republican Governors who have endorsed Romney,  who are pushing ahead for wind energy, and alternative fuels.  Is that a hint that Romney will go all in for green energy initiatives?  I believe I read something about Romney passing the most strict state air quality standards in the nation when he was Gov. of Mass.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
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