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TobyToons, this one cartoon speaks volumes

mailloux Monday, April 6th at 9:45AM EDT (link)

If it weren’t front page, I’d be recommending it!

Please keep up these excellent political cartoons . . . IMHO, you should be on the Op-Ed pages of newspapers everywhere.

Take Care, mailloux

 

ha ha awesome -nt

Caleb Howe Monday, April 6th at 9:46AM EDT (link)

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Relevant sections

RegisteredUsername Monday, April 6th at 9:51AM EDT (link)

Equal Protection Clause

And of course there’s this: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…

So what are you saying here?

Steph C Monday, April 6th at 10:04AM EDT (link)

Are you saying that they do have a constitutional right to approval? Or what?

Nobody has a Constitutional right to approval by taking away from one’s beliefs and forcing them to live by another’s. No religion, no interest group, no business, or no individual above any other.

If California or Iowa or anywhere else wants to recognize gay marriage fine and dandy but to force it by judicial fiat is itself unconstitutional.

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From a news report

RegisteredUsername Monday, April 6th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

In its ruling, the Supreme Court upheld an August 2007 decision by a judge who found that a state law limiting marriage to a man and a woman violates the constitutional rights of equal protection.

Unless you have some rational basis for saying gays don’t deserve equal protection, gay marriage is here to stay.

Many unconstitutional rulings are here to say due to irrational judges determining what is rational - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 10:18AM EDT (link)

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Sorry, I missed it.

RegisteredUsername Monday, April 6th at 10:20AM EDT (link)

What was your Equal Protection Clause reason for second class citizenship for gays again?

2nd class?

TobyToons Monday, April 6th at 10:25AM EDT (link)

Equal protection… Marriage is between a man and a woman.

A man can marry a woman.
A woman can marry a man.

IN ANY STATE IN THE UNION - equal protection.

If we want to start adding extra protections to the contstitution, then let’s do it the legal way - 2/3 majority in both houses, and a 3/4 ratification by the states.

s/man/straight man/g;

RegisteredUsername Monday, April 6th at 10:49AM EDT (link)

s/woman/straight woman/g;

I guess gays don’t even get a separate but equal status anywhere?

Also, what exactly IS the objection to gay marriage? I’ve never understood it. (Any answer referring to God or the Bible is null and void, due to the First Amendment.)

hah....you are an idiot...RegisteredUsername...Cleanup Moe...

Aaron Gardner Monday, April 6th at 10:56AM EDT (link)

the First Amendment protects our right to use God and the Bible as reasons.

Separation of Church and State isn’t in the Constitution you bigot!!

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I disagree...

TobyToons Monday, April 6th at 10:57AM EDT (link)

I don’t see anything in the first ammendment that says a citizen of the US is not allowed to mention god or religion. I do see where it state that the government cannot establish a religion, AND the government CANNOT prohibit the free exercise of religion. It also says that the people can petition the government for a redress of grievances (so get a constitutional ammendment adding new kinds of marriage to the constitution).

Free Speech includes religious speech - agree with all you said Toby-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 11:03AM EDT (link)

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It's not religion that's null and void

Neil Stevens Monday, April 6th at 11:06AM EDT (link)

It’s your account that’s null and void.

Bye.

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What prompted you to rise up and be a PITA today

Achance Monday, April 6th at 10:25AM EDT (link)

after being silent for three years?

In Vino Veritas

He got his orders

Jack_Savage Monday, April 6th at 10:29AM EDT (link)

Strapped on his talking points and is wading into the crowd.

 
 

I reject the premise that a ban on gay marriage relegates gays to 2nd class citizens.

Martin Knight Monday, April 6th at 10:56AM EDT (link)

Let’s try this thought experiment;

John and James want to get married - I assume you believe they should be issued a marriage license.

What if they were brothers? Would you be in favor of issuing them the license or opposed?

If “NO”, then in light of your support for people of the same sex to be allowed to marry, give me a good reason why two siblings should *not* be afforded the same “right.”



 To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
      - Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”

 
 
 

Would you please read before you decide what I said.

Steph C Monday, April 6th at 10:37AM EDT (link)

And quoting myself: “If California or Iowa or anywhere else wants to recognize gay marriage fine and dandy but to force it by judicial fiat is itself unconstitutional.”

Since you didn’t understand that, my guess is that you think gay marriage must be protected at that expense of those who don’t condone it, i.e. more protection under the law rather than equal protection.

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A reason why Gays don't deserve equal protection...

Aaron Gardner Monday, April 6th at 10:47AM EDT (link)

Because homosexuality is not a race, gender or religion….it is a sexual persuasion.

But that doesn’t even matter because the equal protection clause was never violated. All people can marry a member of the opposite sex…that standard is applied equally.

Now that the court has decided that the equal protection clause also includes sexual persuasions we will also have to allow polygamy for bisexuals as well. I mean can you see a reason why they don’t deserve to have both a husband and a wife?

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Man the trolls really come out for this issue, don't they?

Neil Stevens Monday, April 6th at 11:04AM EDT (link)

I need to hit this issue on the FP a few times.

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Heh...Neil you could flush out all of the trolls in no time...;^)....nt

Aaron Gardner Monday, April 6th at 11:06AM EDT (link)

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LOL...the power of gaydar expands.

blooch Monday, April 6th at 10:32AM EDT (link)

But can the Mad Mr. Hatter find that in “Moby Dick”?

“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth

Nice to have you back....

$peciallist Monday, April 6th at 11:11AM EDT (link)

Hope all is well

and great one Toby!

Couldn't stay away too long, $peciallist...

blooch Monday, April 6th at 1:34PM EDT (link)

Everything is cool…any notorious new trolls up in here? How’s the golf game?

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For once, I agree with Elton John...

TobyToons Monday, April 6th at 10:40AM EDT (link)

“I don’t want to be married. I’m very happy with a civil partnership. If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership. The word ‘marriage,’ I think, puts a lot of people off. You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships.”

but…

(even though I’ve been drawn into the gay marriage debate here) the cartoon is more a statement on how the left looks at the constitution as a “living, breathing” document, and will find in it anything they wish to find.

 

I know the right of gays to marry is not in the Constitution ...

harrykeeler Monday, April 6th at 10:57AM EDT (link)

but I’m having the darndest time finding where the Constitution says that heterosexuals have the right to marry. Could someone point it out to me?

Harry...no one here is claiming a Constitutional right....

Aaron Gardner Monday, April 6th at 11:03AM EDT (link)

That would be your side…we are merely mocking your side for doing so…get over it.

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maybe first you point out

Caleb Howe Monday, April 6th at 11:04AM EDT (link)

Where someone was making that point? I mean, I realize you think you are clever, but how about you answer me anyway. Hmmm?

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Oh look, another single issue troll

Neil Stevens Monday, April 6th at 11:09AM EDT (link)

It’s enough to make me think you’re not really here in good faith.

In fact I think this comment is your classic trolly pointy stick.

Bye.

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American society is not defined in the Constitution

LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Monday, April 6th at 1:21PM EDT (link)

American society is loosely described in the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence, in the middle of all that Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness stuff. It mentions the laws and principles that have always ruled free men and women. Those laws and principles have come down to us from time immemorial and represent the best practices for human life as developed over thousands of years of experimentation and improvement.

US law did not start with the Constitution. At the time of the Declaration, US Law inherited everything that had gone before in the English Common Law. Some English Common Law still remains in US Law, and more should.

“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”

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Personally, I think government should get out of the "marriage" business.

Tbone Monday, April 6th at 12:28PM EDT (link)

If people want to form a domestic partnership regardless of their sexual orientation, then they should file a domestic partnership agreement containing the aspects of a prenuptial agreement. Then, instead of divorce, the parties would go through a dissolution of partnership that would be governed by the covenants contained in the original agreement.

This means that we would not have “marriage ceremonies” conducted in city halls. Marriages would be conducted by religious organizations or in whatever goofy fashion the participants wanted to celebrate the signing of their domestic partnership agreements.

Domestic partnership agreements could be performed by however many people agreed to join in. As such, what we call bigamy, polygamy, etc. would be more like general partnerships.

Our society wastes too many resources in divorce court and we are wasting way too much energy trying to define and control the “holy state of matrimony” through legislative and judicial processes.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I don't believe it was much of an issue before

Steph C Monday, April 6th at 12:49PM EDT (link)

government monetarially funded considerations became a part of the equation. You know, that little thing called income tax that we were, once upon a time, told was temporary until the government realized what an easy path it was to power and control? Not to mention social security benefits…

Every argument made in favor of gay marriage versus societal norms ( which history itself determined the evolution of it ) have already been answered at lower levels, most lower than even local government levels, but it’s not enough because of that little money thing still going on.

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agreed Steph that the tax issue is key but Tbone's Rx would not solve the energy being spent problem, rather

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 1:38PM EDT (link)

the contract litigation would move to civil courts from family courts, and the the child custody, support issues would remain.

Marriages by the state were pushed for by non-religious people centuries ago.

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Well, GC,

Steph C Monday, April 6th at 1:49PM EDT (link)

You can’t stop people from doing their best to have it all their own way. Human nature has been such since Adam and Eve. Nothing will stop litigation no matter how it is defined.

As for support issues, any parent with custody of children, is a fool to depend on support from the one who doesn’t. It’s great when you get it, sure, but not a dependable source of income. Most often is it used as a tool of control with the children in the middle doing most of the suffering.

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I am reading a book titled "Life without lawyers" which tracks

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 1:54PM EDT (link)

the rise in litigation and how it has stifled the use of common sense and creativity to solve problems and to live normally.

I think the problem in domestic litigation is more related to the breakdown of the family, obviously. This relates more to culture breakdowns that the law.

But suffice to say, we have had exponentially less litigation in the past and it could be again if judges would exercise common sense in dismissing frivilous lawsuits, but this is also a chicken egg matter that I don’t have the answer to: lawyers then culture or vice versa

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On this we can agree.

Steph C Monday, April 6th at 2:04PM EDT (link)

However, if people weren’t conditioned to believe they’re owed something would it still be a chicken egg matter?

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exactly, I just wonder where this started: big guv libs; the large increase in lawyers and/or

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 3:02PM EDT (link)

we the people!

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It starts with salesmanship. nt

Steph C Monday, April 6th at 3:06PM EDT (link)

:-)

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Courts.

Tbone Monday, April 6th at 4:37PM EDT (link)

If there were no courts people could settle things the old fashioned way.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 
 
 
 

Mike, I think you will agree that having

Tbone Monday, April 6th at 2:49PM EDT (link)

a partnership agreement in place is preferable to having the negotiations as to who gets what, when, start AFTER the emotional bonds have been broken and hard feelings have formed.

Granted, child custody should not be a pre-negotiated item,( though financial support could be) as the kid’s best interest are a realtime consideration. However, stuff like raiding bank accounts and running up or cancelling credit cards and the definition and ownership of pre- partnership assets could be significantly reduced.

Any improvement at this level would be gravy. The great improvemnt would be in removing the marriage issue from the “civil rights” arena.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

mostly agree, but I can tell you that even in cases of pre-nups

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 3:00PM EDT (link)

I high percentage are overturned or modified based on lots of factors.

Actually, one of the best litigation simplification is community property law in western states.

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That's because prenups are now usually found

Tbone Monday, April 6th at 3:41PM EDT (link)

in only high pre-marriage asset cases that make them worth arguing over later.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

The problem with marriage litigation is cultural, primarily, not legal-the fix on reducing

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 5:32PM EDT (link)

the energy expended is that marriages last, not some change in the law

except maybe to make divorces harder to get

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tort reform could reduce non-domestic law litigation, but given the children and the

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, April 6th at 5:33PM EDT (link)

state’s interest in their plight, no legal fix is very significant since the basic dynamic is inherent.

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I can agree with this (n/t)

Finrod Monday, April 6th at 2:09PM EDT (link)

.


Finrod’s First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.

 
 

Bullseye, once again, Toby. nt

redneck_hippie Monday, April 6th at 4:30PM EDT (link)

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.

 

I see your front page graphic link. Congrats! nt

redneck_hippie Monday, April 6th at 5:03PM EDT (link)

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.

5!

$peciallist Monday, April 6th at 5:05PM EDT (link)

well done

 

Thanks. -nt

TobyToons Monday, April 6th at 5:07PM EDT (link)

Yes...great Job Toby...

Aaron Gardner Monday, April 6th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

I figured my approval was implied by my comments…;^)… but figured I would go ahead and say (type) it to you directly. You have been a great addition to the RedState flavor.

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Like Bible Code!?!?

JLenardDetroit Tuesday, April 7th at 4:23AM EDT (link)

now all that stuff we otherwise thought unconstitutional makes perfect sense.

Not like Liberals pay any attention to what is in the Bible (or whatever Religious text they pretend to care about, for Public consumption) either.

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And we've been denying marriage to gays all the time. This speaks volume of the GOP's lunacy against gay marriage.

Rod_Patrick Tuesday, April 7th at 4:57AM EDT (link)

Thanks TobyToons.

It’s about time to decipher the Constitution more carefully “to the LETTERS”.

This one is an amazing Work deserving to be featured in Ripley’s Believe It Or Not… better than the brains of the thousands of liberal lawyers combined.

Congratulations!!!!

 

Major problems

amescg Tuesday, April 21st at 3:20PM EDT (link)

The Iowa court decision was based on the IOWA Constitution. That’s the U.S. Constitution in your cartoon. This betrays a basic misunderstanding of how constitutional law works.

Further, the Equal Protection Clause is the relevant section in both the Iowa and the federal constitutions. It nowhere says “you’re allowed to be Christian,” either, but we infer that from the EPC too.

Moving on for a second, no gay man or woman has ever presumed or argued for a right to equal social equality. In fact, no minority ever has either. Look back to the debates on the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment: the law cleanly bifurcates civil rights, which the government can and must afford, from social equality, which the government cannot touch. Unless your contention is that someone else’s marriage assumes, by its government authorization, your personal and direct approval of the marriage, your text is way off-base too.

As to the argument that, because men can marry women and women can marry men, there’s no equal protection violation, you’re missing the point. This same type of argument was tried to defend anti-miscegenation laws: “black men can’t marry white women, and white women can’t marry black men, etc. See! Perfectly equal application across races!” That didn’t work either. The question is whether the law’s insistence on formal equality permits substantive inequality, and in Loving v. Virginia, the Court answered emphatically no.

There IS NO legal case for banning gay marriage. The law does not allow one group of people to stipulate how the other should live, based on religious law alone.

again...the law was applied equally..so the EPC argument is specious...

Aaron Gardner Tuesday, April 21st at 3:30PM EDT (link)

All people were allowed to marry anyone of the opposite sex. Therefore the law was applied equally. The reason it is not the same as not allowing different races to marry is that homosexuality is not a race. The Iowa decision created a new protected class, based on sexuality, in this instance in order to justify it’s decision.

Once we start creating protected classes based upon an individuals sexuality you cheapen all other protected classes and open up the pandoras box of what sexual persuasions deserve to be considered a protected class and which ones do not.

Oh and nobody is basing their decisions on religious law alone…to say that makes you sound ignorant.

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There is NO legal case for banning religious beliefs either.

Vaughn Harold Tuesday, April 21st at 3:48PM EDT (link)

The law does not allow one belief system to stipulate how others should believe, based on secular law alone.

I’m sorry you can’t convince, that is force from the judiciary bench, enough Americans to believe differiently than you do.

 

you must be a smegging lawyer

E Pluribus Unum Tuesday, April 21st at 4:06PM EDT (link)

because regular people could not possibly follow their noses to such horribly DUMB conclusions, on two matters that are laughably simple to grasp.

  • you’re allowed to be Christian is not inferred by the 14th Amendment. One might argue as to whether it is inferred by natural law, or by the DOI, and whether either is truly binding. But it is certainly protected rather unambiguously by the 1st Amendment. Further dismantling your statement, absent natural law or the 1st Amendment, “equal protection of the laws” hardly makes a case for freedom of religion, per se. The EPC would have to be contorted to fit that question, not that f-ing lawyers wouldn’t give it a try for a buck.
  • no gay man or woman has ever presumed or argued for a right to equal social equality. Are you kidding me? Are you aware, did you perhaps notice, that they are not satisfied with “civil unions”, which ensure all the legal benefits of real marriage. No, they want to co-opt the word “marriage”. If not for “equal social equality”, then why, do you suppose?

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