Before I go on I want to remind any of our Liberal friends that may have casually surfed in via a search, or other link, that they are truly welcome (please see this “welcome” commentary). It is my hope that you wish to HONESTLY engage in this discussion. Try to maintain a sense of humor and composure as I will take a few jabs along the way.
The “Greater Good” bent logic…
Just like Liberals Democrat Party leaders (I’m trying to be nice) twist the “It Takes A Village” concept, so too they do this one. You know, their “redistribution” version of having to be able to take away from some supposedly ‘overly privileged’ folks in order to give to those less fortunate in the name of “Fairness” and that our society will be better for it.
You folks on the Left may want to think twice the next time you try to trot out your misuse of the “Greater Good” point. Simply put, isn’t the Greater Good, actually served, when the greater number of people have it good! The U.S. System, many Liberals show such disdain for, provides for the greater number of people to have it good. Contrast that with the Russian, Chinese, etc, Socialist System, Progressives are taking us to, provides ONLY THE MINIMUM (certainly not ‘the Good Life’) to the greater number (all but those in charge) of its citizens. It is pretty easy/plain for anyone to see the logic/reason of what the REAL “Greater Good” is!
Just as they refuse (Denial) to acknowledge it is “Socialism” (they know it is, just have to re-brand it), Progressive leaders, and those who buy into it, do not follow it to its logical conclusion as demonstrated the world over and throughout history. Regardless where tried it ultimately brings on misery, not improved lives (increase/abundance), to its citizenry. They would have you believe it will be different ‘just because’ they are the Ruling-elite this time and they can do what Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc, have failed to do – create a Redistributive System that does not implode under its own weight making all its citizens poor, hungry, and almost hopeless.
What brought this on? I was at the theater and saw The Box (very boring and bad, read the book instead) and the usual Liberal Political message subtext (Movies and Politics — The Hollywood Hate-fest) came through loud and clear with the unsubtle direct commentary from the dark/mysterious character asking ‘Why Humanity (read: Americans) fails to recognize the Greater Good’ concept. It is, of course, nothing new as we see/hear this in film after film in varying forms to reinforce the Liberal mindset and attempts to subconsciously influence (read: reinforce the Liberal School Indoctrination their Tenured friends impose).
U.S. (Founding Fathers method of) governance over Soviet or Chinese Socialism models…
As previously touched on, history demonstrates the failings and short-comings of such a System. That Redistribution schemes, in the name of “equality,” only lower the bar for citizens, except for the Ruling elite. Creating even more “have-nots,” than Ruling-elite “haves,” they claim to try to be rectifying. As those in the Productive vs non-Productive sectors of the Economy (as best described by Daniel Hannan quoted explains best in mbecker’s diary) reap less benefits and therefore have less incentive to actually produce overall wealth the Capitalist (Free-markets) System uses to expand/grow and perpetuate an even greater available sum available to all participating in working to attain/earn it.
As Businesses grow/expand, additional workers are brought on, earnings/wealth DISTRIBUTION occurs. Those with drive and abilities go on to innovate and create yet more Companies which provides yet more opportunities (growing Jobs base, increasing wages, earnings/returns for investors, etc) FOR ALL. The less those who Produce get to keep, the less incentive they have to Produce, which eventually drags down the entire Socialist societies (except those Ruling-elites that have the power to take yet more from the masses to keep their standards of living while others deteriorate) citizenry.
The Russians and the Chinese have all but admitted their failings and have been enacting a new grand experiment of trying to introduce restrained quasi-Capitalism to grow their Economies. They try to delicately balance these “reforms” while maintaining all other aspects of Socialism, in order to create just enough incentivized Producers to have some actual “Wealth” that they can “redistribute.” All the while, hoping their society doesn’t go too far and their people demand a new Revolution and actual/real Freedoms and reforms. They move closer to American ideals while Liberals try to take us further and further toward their failed System (all other Nations are trying to retreat and recover from).
We cannot boil it down to simpler terms than these for you Liberals to grasp! You have to be willing to try and use reasoned thought, and research of history, to overcome the Liberal Indoctrination and Liberal Laziness (as discussed in here, here, and here) you’ve been lulled into.
How does Bankrupting an entire Nation to the point where it cannot assist/aid (provide that “Safety Net,” we are all willing to allow for, to those truly needy) to NONE (Zip, zero, nada one) of its citizens benefit the Whole (that Liberal warped sense/definition of the greater good)? — It’s a simple question, but when asked of a Liberal/Socialist there can be NO RESPONSE! How can they?!?! It defies the twisted-logic they have been selling (or bought into) and therefore must just ignore the question/premise!
Let’s try to bring this down to the explanation level of a 6th Grader, in order for our Politically Brain-dead Liberal friends to hopefully follow/grasp I’m battling that urge to not be nice….
Money from the Left pocket to the Right pocket…
If you have $25 in each of your pockets. If you move $5 from your right pocket to your left pocket and pay for dinner out of your left pocket, while you may be left with $5 more in that pocket than you would have if you didn’t “stumble upon” that extra Lincoln bill – Did you actually SAVE MONEY? Do you really have more?
Any fool, can see where that logic FAILS, yet Liberals and Democrats expect us to accept this scheme in varying forms to explain how Government money magically appears and is somehow (therefore) a Savings, or somehow not really Spending, or not a Tax on your right pocket, etc.
How does that directly relate to the latest gimmicks/games in the Health-Care bamboozle?
Taxing Medical equipment…
The Democrats try to suggest that Taxing Medical equipment is only a (and want to count it only as) Revenue. Reality is, under their currently proposed schemes, that it is both a Revenue (under one definition of the Bills) and an unaccounted for Expense on the Health-Care coverage side of the ledger. Let us examine, slowly so our Liberal friends can understand it (trying to maintain), how that is the case.
The Tax is put on the Medical equipment. The Tax is collected by the Government when the equipment is purchased (and, of course, will quickly spend it). Let us just say it is the equivalent of $5 a patient worth of Expense for/to the Hospital/Doctor. This Expense is, of course, passed on. When/where the billing goes to the Public Option (or Medicare, or any way the Government pays – since they change the scheme daily) that $5 is PAID (Expense) right back out to the Hospital!
In our simple example (Five dollars into one pocket, transferred to the other pocket, and sent back out), it demonstrates how the Democrats are first front-loading the Revenues and hiding/back-loading the Costs/Expenses to warp the supposed “overall” Budget costs of their Obamaocare scheme to keep it under $1 Trillion. Further, they just out-right don’t bother to factor in the fact that that Tax amount becomes part of the Expense part of the ledger by its cost being passed on.
That their plans, as with all of their others, will greatly accelerate the increase in costs, not reduce them is completely glossed over. That the Budget estimates are flawed because of this from the start making the $850 Billion projection a joke before we even start. All that without even going back and touching on haw the Revenues start immediately but the benefits (Expenses) don’t start until 2013 – not coincidentally following the 2012 campaigns! How can you still not understand these things or allow yourself to be fooled?!?!
The JackAss Party Ruling-elitists will point out that some of those Taxes will be paid by Health-Insurance companies and not the Government (and also ignore that means passed onto YOU by way of Co-Pays, increased premiums, etc) – which is all part of the plan to drive up (not make less expensive) the costs of Private coverage and drive more and more people into the Public Option – or create a further demand for one if they fail to fully implement it this time out (the usual Liberal Incremental-ism and why we’ve come to know compromise isn’t ever really a compromise solution, just a delay-tactic and temporary reprieve from all the negative effects).
Moving People and Funds from Medicare switcheroo (unfunny)…
Moving funds from Medicare, and calling them Savings, while also moving some people, by redefining rules/qualifications, to the Public Option, likewise DOESN’T save anything! It is just cooking the books – that if any Private Company did would be investigated and Personnel sent to Jail for. In Washington, it is SOP to hide the true costs of programs and in this case that Obamaocare will add to the Deficit.
Inflation of Health-Care costs of any/all kinds will far out-pace any Tax (or other funding schemes they come up with to not call them Tax) Revenues to fund them. The availability to CHASE Government funds always increases costs rapidly (such an example is the Student Loans programs that just allow Universities to run up [inflate] Tuition costs because EASY MONEY is out there for Students to get). Again, one has to ignore the history of Liberal Incremental-ism to not understand these simple/basic concepts!!
We Conservatives are not fooled, nor are many otherwise Politically uninvolved folks who have finally awakened this time, by the Democrat schemes. Despite the rhetoric from the Left, we (true Conservatives, not CINOPavlovian Blue-Dogs) have always had plans that would actually make Health-Care more affordable (blocked by Liberals every time anything related to Health-Care is discussed/proposed) for all (discussed as part of the Health-Care series here, here, here, here, here, and summary here). We can then address coverage for those additionally without and truly in need – if you’ll engage in the debate HONESTLY!!! To help provide coverage to those without – without a complete TAKEOVER of the Health-Care System in America (which anyone being honest can see is the current real goal of current Democrat plans, as has been the plan of Progressives since FDR).
In Movie-speak: Enemies – Foreign or Domestic…
(from Red Dawn 2010)
and we Conservatives will continue to fight them whether it be on the (Terrorist front) Battlefield of War or the “REDS” that have invaded/infested Washington DC in the current Obamao Administration! Victory 2010 and 2012!
PS: [Update regarding Saturday nights, cover of the W/E and night, votes] Pro-Life Republicans knew this was just cover (Duplicity) voting and yet let themselves be Mooncalves led to the Slaughter….
The STUPID (er… Stupak) Amendment is just a strategy boondoggle Republicans stepped in out of LAZINESS and unwillingness to VOTE NO and have to go back and actually engage, explain, educate, constituents as to WHY it was all a SHAME/SHELL-GAME Vote and a NO vote the Right vote (and NOT, by any means would it have been a Pro-Abortion vote). LAZINESS. A NV (Not-Voting) would have been the appropriate stance (no-one could claim they were Pro-Abortion funding that a NO vote would have allowed).
Further…. just proves, IMO, my whole CINOs/PLINOs, and Pavlovian-Blue-Dogs contention. The Stupak Amendment just provided cover for them to vote for the POS which should never have happened, because… 1- (supposedly) Removing Abortion funding from it does NOT make the rest of the Bill ‘GOOD’ – as if the Abortion funding was/is the only ‘BAD’ thing in it! 2- Duplicity Votes – Setting up Duplicity Votes – the have it both way Game Politicians play to be able to say anything during Campaigns 3- Abortion funding WILL STILL OCCUR – Liberals/Democrats ALWAYS consider themselves ABOVE THE LAW and ignore them when convenient to their causes… 3A- The ‘Abortion funding exclusion’ will NOT survive the Conference/Consolidation ‘compromise’ process when it comes time to join in Conference/Committee the House and Senate Bills 3B- Liberal bureaucrats will still pay for ABORTIONS paying for them billed as something like a generic ‘Pregnancy Services’ term – or the like BS (as discussed in one of the Townhalls primers: here, here, here, here, here, and HC issues summary here, don’t recall off-hand which one) 3C- If they ALLOW it to survive into the Final Bill, to again provide cover for CINOs/PLINOs, and Pavlovian-Blue-Dogs Democrats (and maybe a few Republicans) to vote for it under Pro-Life grounds (and again, see #1), it will be stripped on a Saturday Late night, or reversed by language stuffed into the middle of some other Bill, otherwise removed undercover of the night, at a later date. Haven’t people learned anything?!?!? LIBERAL INCREMENTAL-ISM at its most obvious yet again!!!!
as a whole aside from the HC Bill, just about Abortion in general…
Kathy Ireland/Abortion- Kathy Ireland/Abortion- Kathy Ireland: best anti-abortion comments ever made and more on her words here. Huckabee had a former Planned Parenthood worker explain how/why she quit after being involved in a Sonigram assisted Abortion and seeing the CHILD fight for its Life during the process!
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