This dude is a really nice guy, known him since Jr. High, raised in the same area of the country, but then he moved to Taxachussetts. I don't know what happened.
I sent out an email on the UK story on taking pain medication from back pain patients and this is what I received as a reply:
There will always be exception to any story that will be used as propaganda. I am sympathetic for anyone that has to endure pain or discomfort, but these cases are singled out and used to make political points…simply wrong. I’m pleased that this administration is taking productive steps to do something. The standard play book of the last admin was to roadblock anything constructive. Low cost drug from Canada and the Caribbean are still illegal. Now that there is a momentum building, the Rush’s and Coulters of the world will do anything to block it (for political reasons I might add).
I know all too well some of the weaknesses in the health care system and don’t need to rely on propaganda. Our family has faced a brain tumor, cancer on numerous fronts and other challenges that make affordable health care challenging. It is about time that someone is finally stepping up to the plate and advocating for John Q. Public. Bush had eight year to pull it off.
So much like the Whitehouse, if you don't agree with me, you are spreading propaganda..
Trying to set the record straight without totally alienating this fellow I replied with the following:
Last months "propaganda" from the UK times was sending breast cancer patients home with pain pills because there is no room in any health facility in Britain to treat them.
These are not one time happenings, this is an ongoing day to day type happening in the countries with single payer (read government ) health care.
Obama himself said of an older lady, in a press conference, that should been given a pain pill instead of a pacemaker. i.e. go home and die.
I have listened to a British Doctor firsthand describe the British system. When the money is gone, he has to tell you there is nothing he can do. By law he cannot tell you if you flew to the US you could get dialysis or other treatment and live.
That is a government single payer system. For the pundits who say we aren't heading to single payer , don't take my word for it.
- Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) at a Health Care for America Now rally: “And next to me was a guy from the insurance company who argued against the public health insurance option, saying it wouldn’t let private insurance compete. That a public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single-payer. My single-payer friends, he was right. The man was right.”
- Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) told Single Payer Action: “I think that if we get a good public option it could lead to single-payer and that is the best way to reach single-payer. Saying you’ll do nothing till you get single-payer is a sure way never to get it. … I think the best way we’re going to get single-payer, the only way, is to have a public option and demonstrate the strength of its power.”
- Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein at the Democratic National Convention last year: “They have a sneaky strategy, the point of which is to put in place something that over time the natural incentives within its own market will move it to single-payer.”
- Noble Prize winning New York Times columnist Paul Krugman: “[T]he only reason not to do [single-payer] is that politically it’s hard to do in one step…You’d have to convince people completely give up the insurance they have, whereas something that lets people keep the insurance they have but then offers the option of a public plan, that may evolve into single-payer.”
>Credit and whole article: http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/05/morning-bell-the-people-spreading-disinformation-about-obamacare
There is 2007 press conference where Obama himself promotes going to single payer.
Or read the house bill on page 16 it describes how the private insurance will be forced out and you will be forced onto Obama care.
Read page 42 if you have any doubts about rationing.
Read page 59 Why does Washington need direct debit access to our bank accounts and all banking transactions in order to provide health care?
Page 72 tells how all private plans must conform to the public plan or be taxed.
Frankly I can back up everything I have ever wrote you or anyone else about this bill or any other bill I ever wrote about.
I do my homework before I send out emails, not after.
If I make a mistake, I own up to that too.
The only propaganda I see is in the liberal rags like the NY Times and the lapdog press like Chrissy Mathews.or....
The President made several statements at his health care pep rallies this week that are directly contrary to the wording in the bill..?? That is propaganda.
Be careful, don't even take my word for it if you like, do your own homework, everyone should, you might be surprised.
BTW, unions and the trial lawyers were Obama's 2 biggest contributors. Bear that in mind when watching his actions.
This is not your father's Democratic party. The mainstream may be , but the leadership is way to the left of Lenin. A lot of Democrats are realizing that and want their party back. Maybe you can help them regain control.
Not trying to be mean, but mainstream Dems in this country need to wake up and take their party back from the Saul Alinsky crowd.
I don't want to watch family members suffer because a bunch that couldn't run cash for clunkers want to redesign health care and bankrupt it, just as Medicare and Medicaid are currently in the red.
Go read up on Dr. Ezekiel Manuel's writings, if you doubt old people will be told just go home and die. This is Rahm's brother and author of a good bit of the health care bill. He promotes the idea in things he has written.
Better yet, get Tom Daschle's book.
Of course congress will have their own health care plan separate from yours.
There's some scary stuff in this bill, and I don't think congressional bills can be called "propaganda", or can they?
I suppose I will be in the flag@ inbox by lunchtime.
Oh well all my taxes are in order. there is only a certain amount of harassment the Obites can do.