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Rush Nailed it…. (re: Newt)

Rush just said “Newt stands for an IDEAL, Mitt stands for getting himself elected”

This sums it up well.  Newt stands for conservative principles of smaller government, individual freedom, individual responsibility, pro life principles, Christian values and freedom (even if he is not a perfect model).  Mitt repeatedly will say anything to get elected, just look at how he distanced himself from RR in his prior elections, and how he changes his positions to suit the election he is trying to win.

Newt is principled and yes, grandiose at times, but grounded always in conservative principles.  Romney has pulled out all the stops, including blatant lies and misrepresentations to try and win Florida.

Newt needs to SLAM him tonight, much as he will SLAM Obama in debates this fall.  Show the people why we need a principled fighter not an unprincipled moderate to have any chance to beat Obama.

COMMENTS

  • WillWong

    Newt gets clobbered tonight….stupid and slanted questions to get Newt in vulnerable positions….including the question about the First Lady, question about Romney’s tax return, and so on!

  • bluerose75

    People take a look at Romney in the late 80s and early 90s. He was blantant in his verbal criticisms of Reagan and all the policies most of us hold dear because of what Reagan did. He backed Democratic candidates for Presidential Elections, governed from the left and he is not conservative. There is nothing and I mean nothing in any part of Romney’s background that is Reagan like. For Mitt to use Reagan is absolutely an embarrassment.

  • znjs

    Newt is for Newt, today, yesterday, and forever. “Newt” and “principled” don’t belong in the same sentence unless there’s a “not” between them. And he was grounded in such conservative principles as the mandate way back 4 years ago. And the idea that only one side has been lying is just naive.

    I get not liking Romney – there’s not much there to like. I don’t get liking Newt. Being willing to settle for him given the current choices, sure. But thinking he’s this fighter for conservative ideas? No, he fights for himself. If that involves pushing a small govt idea, he’ll do that. If it means fighting for a big govt idea, he’ll do that. His whole campaign was a long book tour/publicity stunt that turned into a scorched earth campaign against Romney since Romney dared question the great Newt.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …and the conduct of his supporters [which he hasn't rebuffed] is telling.

    • Juggernaut

      and self centered as it gets. All who run for potus exude a measurable level of arrogance, you’ve got to be arrogant to think you’re good enough to be the chosen one. He’s principled in scamming taxpayers while paying lobbyists to keep investigators off his back.

      Romney chose AG Pam Bondi (age 46) to supposedly run healthcare if he wins, she fired to deputy AGs who were investigating mortgage companies, later she took campaign money from them. Very ethical pair wouldn’t you agree? If Romney wins, government is for sale as are more entitlements. Dems win if Romney wins.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Bondi

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  • deVere

    After Mitt and Newt get done blasting each other, perhaps Santorum will wind up as the nominee.

  • J. Leg

    This is exactly right.

    Newt is not perfect. But he’s been solidly conservative where it really counted.

    There are two reasons I can’t stand Mitt:

    - I think he and his supporters feel entitled to this nomination.

    - He hasn’t given me a compelling reason to support him.

    I have asked several Romney supporters why they’re supporting them, they say, “cause I want to beat Obama”, when I press them to give me a reason Mitt’s given them to vote for him and not against Obama, all I’ve gotten is crickets.

  • nov2012

    1. Romney is the choice of the Establishment Republicans.
    2. Newt is not.

    Choice # 2 for me

  • dimondintherough

    …..but, I feel strongly that Newt has a better chance to beat Obama than Romney. Look, Obama (as with most incumbents) will be very tough to beat. The only way to beat him will be to take it to him, call him out on his lies and BS and slowly have people in the electorate begin to see the light and change their mind. Mitt will not sway anyone with his watered down, no passion brand of conservatism. Even if Newt loses, he will bring us conservative converts and I am certain he will get a higher percentage of the vote than Mcain did!

  • snowshooze

    I have asked several times here…
    ” What are some really good things about Romney?”
    I got Salt Lake Olympics.. a billion dollar boondoggle…
    But that is about it.
    I expected at least a dozen points to stack against Perry and Gingrich.. ( Now just Newt )
    But I pretty much came up empty.
    I think this is astounding.
    Newt has so many accomplishments that I couldn’t stand to have him get started listing them.
    Romney has a big, black hole in the dirt compared to Newt’s towering accomplishments.
    So… who is this Willard fellow… and why are all them people supporting him???
    Must be in the video you posted.

  • http://www.political-woman.com politicalwoman

    He’s taken a beating all day from his own Party, and both Romney, followed by Santorum will be out for blood tonight, goading him to go off on one or both of them. Santorum ‘s weak showing in FL, is finally sinking in, that he will NOT be the party’s nominee, even if Mitt and Newt commit the political equivalent of murder-suicide.

    Newt needs to keep it together, answer Romney when appropriate and speak to the voters about what is at stake in this election and draw the line of difference between himself and Obama, and ask for their vote. If he goes off on the blame game of the negative attack ads and the media, he’s through.

  • Common_Cents

    Gingrich should not go on attack on romney, BUT, newt should counterpunch hard when Romney attacks him.

    Oh, and Gingrich should pay for Juan Williams to make a guest mod appearance ;)

    King is off tonight, getting a new liver.

  • chbroussard

    I’d remind the voters that the Republican establishment who is so diligently trying to defeat him is the same establishment that has ignored the Republican base and Tea Party members who brought the party a resounding victory in 2010.

  • R.E. Finch

    !!!

  • Lords86

    history suggests that Newt is not those things and doesn’t stand for an ideal.

    His attacks on Reagan, when it was politically correct, display not only an appalling miscalculation of the benefit of Reagan’s foresight and understanding of the complexities but an arrogance that is transparent and unelectable.

    Newt is about Newt – was that way when I was a young law school student in Georgia long ago and still is – always has been and always will be. He is not about adhering to conservative ideals, His recent efforts to assuage the left, by doing the tango with Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi, reveal a quivering and, regrettably, easily defeatable set of ‘principles,’ that match his ascerbic relationship with colleagues and his marital record with wives.

    Newt is not the candidate that we, on the right, should embrace. He is a horse that will get us within eyesight of the finish line, but then through a unmitigated penchant for self-aggrandizement, buckle in the homestretch. Not the horse we want, people. Not the horse we want.

  • aj_0000

    Gingrich’s criticism of Reagan (which appears to have amounted to one speech) came at a time in Reagan’s second term when many conservatives feared he was going soft on foreign policy. Gingrich was criticizing from the right, not the left.

  • Flagstaff

    Thanks for saying it in a new way.

    I don’t get the vitriol being poured upon Romney. IFAIK, he has never sat on a sofa with Nancy Pelosi to extol the virtues of green energy or pimp the dangers of global warming. But I could be wrong.

    As Governor, he worked with the legislature to set up MassCare. The people of Massachusetts haven’t risen up to repeal it; they seem to approve of it. What is so terrible about that? Carrying out the people’s wishes? He’s promised that Obamacare would be repealed, if elected. I believe him. Others don’t.

    But Newt has a long history of swaying in the wind, sofa-sitting being just one example. Maybe it’s a result of his background as an academic, a legislator, and a public speaker. All of those require a person to adapt to his immediate surroundings. A CEO has to adapt, too, but it’s to adapt to market forces to reach a goal. That can mean standing up to those who disagree with you. My personal assessment is that Romney is less likely to be turned by liberal blandishments than is Newt.

    Newt is principled and yes, grandiose at times, but grounded always in conservative principles.

    I don’t think that is literally true.

  • tnguy

    ….linked on the front page.

    Much of the Newt anti-Reagan stuff was fabricated. What the beltway/new york republicans are trying to do to Gingrich to manipulate the florida primary is nothing short of disgusting. And it will probably work.

    There is zero chance of conservatives and republicans uniting and pushing a Romney campaign across the finish line 10 months from now. There is a chasm developing in the movement that cannot be easily healed, especially not by someone as far left as Romney.

  • WillWong

    It will be assumed that you have been had by the lies of Romney, Elliot Abrams, Bob Dole, Ann Coulter amongst others!

  • Juggernaut

    From a Newsmax.com email.

    Limbaugh, Mike Reagan Blast Romney for Smears on Gingrich

    Ronald Reagan?s eldest son Mike Reagan has issued a statement lambasting Mitt Romney and his supporters for claims that Romney?s Republican presidential rival Newt Gingrich was a strong critic of President Reagan.

    Mike Reagan says such claims are false.

    Even Rush Limbaugh, shocked by the Romney claims, chimed on his Thursday radio broadcast to say, “This is obviously a coordinated attack to take Newt out here in Florida.”

    Rush slammed the Romney-backed smear campaign against Newt.

    ?That kind of stuff is why people hate Romney so much,” Limbaugh said.

    Limbaugh added that Newt has always been a conservative from his early days in national talk radio in the 1980s.

    ?He was perhaps the premier defender of Ronald Reagan,? Limbaugh said.

    On Thursday, Mike Reagan, a respected conservative commentator, responded to the Gingrich critics with this statement to Newsmax:

    ?I am deeply disturbed that supporters of Mitt Romney are claiming that Newt Gingrich is not a true Reaganite and are even claiming that Newt was a strong critic of my father.

    ?Recently I endorsed Newt Gingrich for president because I believe that Newt is the only Republican candidate who has both consistently backed the conservative policies that my father championed and the only Republican that will continue to implement his vision.

    ?It surprises me that Mitt Romney and his supporters would raise this issue ? when Mitt by his own admission voted for Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale who opposed my father, and later supported liberal Democrat Paul Tsongas for president.

    ?As governor of Massachusetts, Romney?s achievement was the most socialistic healthcare plan in the nation up until that time.

    ?Say what you want about Newt Gingrich but when he was speaker of the House he surrounded himself with Reagan conservatives and implemented a Ronald Reagan program of low taxes and restrained federal spending.

    ?Newt?s conservative program created a huge economic boom and balanced the budget for the first time in more than a generation.?

    Mike Reagan concluded: ?I would take Newt Gingrich?s record any day over Mitt Romney?s.?

    And Nancy Reagan, Reagan?s wife, has stressed Gingrich?s close relationship with her late husband.

    In a 1995 speech at a dinner honoring Ronald Reagan, Nancy said: ?The dramatic movement of 1995 is an outgrowth of a much earlier crusade that goes back half a century. Barry Goldwater handed the torch to Ronnie, and in turn Ronnie turned that torch over to Newt and the Republican members of Congress to keep that dream alive.?

  • tyman

    when it’s out, it’s impossible to get back in the tube.

    The damage that the establishment hoped to inflict is probably already done for Florida.

    However, I’m not giving up! I hope this makes the anti-Romney folks work that much harder to rally around Newt.

    Romney has run just run an ugly campaign that is making it very hard to rally around him should he be the nominee.

  • lakeshore

    Newt, and anyone backing him, are out of touch with reality. His support for spending hundreds of billions for a moon base is laughable. He’s just given the Dems yet another easy issue to use against him. His very high personal negatives in every poll show him to be unelectable. I am not “in the tank” for Romney, but he’s much more electable than Gingrich. The only people saying otherwise are anti-Romney people or the types who thought Christine O’Donnell would win. Yet I would still prefer a more Conservative white night over any of the final candidates.

  • redmymind

    n/t

  • georgehenry85

    Impossible. Between Newt and Rick they failed to get on the ballot for 5 states. That’s about 564 deligets they will never have. The GOP will not select them.

    The most likely bet is Mitt will get the nominee and then we have for 4 more years of Obama because no body actully likes Mitt just brainwashed by the “liberal” media to vote for him so he can loose to Obama?

    Mitt gets no new voters out and the independents stay clear from him so how is he going to beat Obama?

    Maybe if newt and santorum put their support behind the 76 year old conservative that’s getting all the young, new and independent voters plus on all 50 state ballots they could influence Paul on his foreign policy.

    Make him spend more money on our troops to police and control the world and protect us from Iran and the Arabs that want to kill us for our freedom, wealth and power.

  • ssshannon1026

    we most need people who can articulate our core principles. That person ain’t Romney.

  • Lords86

    Did he? Yes.

    Did they? No.

    When you cloak yourself in the Reagan legacy, don’t be surprised when comments you make that are contrary to that legacy come back to bite you?

    Try as he might – Newt can’t run from his prediction that Reagan would fail – neither Romney, Eliot Abrams, Bob Dole or Ann Coulter have changed that comment. Did they lie about that comment? No.

    Newt was wrong, as were others undoubtedly, and Reagan was right.

    Now, to my other comments, when I attended Emory University 25 years ago, Newt was an oft-covered individual in the Emory community and the Atlanta area – his sheer arrogance knows no bounds. Newt is about Newt – always has been and always will be. How else do you explain his foray with Nancy Pelosi? Or did people lie about that, too? That mean old Establishment, again? Please.

    And, is he as conservative

  • Wayne

    fellow Republican view me cautiously. Those that know me, understand that I am not a “traditional hawk”, yet I do believe we need a strong national defense. We can debate until the end times about what that means, but for me, it is simply a better equipped, more intelligent and capable military. Yes, the best military in the world.

    Newt does not share all of my core values, but I believe he is sincere and Romney is precisely as Rush describes. Those considerations alone will keep me from supporting Mitt unless the RP gives me no alternative.

    Santorum? Unfortunately, he will not get the independent vote (which are primarily comprised of moderates otherwise they’d be Republicans or Democrats) if for no other reason than his frank honesty about his stance on abortion. I support that, but most moderates and independents don’t. Say what you will, but independents will be the factor in who the next President will be.

    I would breath a sign of relief if we wound up with a Newt/Perry card and would accept Newt/Santorum.

    I will never be happy with Mitt/whomever. And, only slightly more happy than another Obama/Biden 4 years.

    Why? Because I believe in all the values Newt professes to be convicted to in his speeches and debates. I want to control my destiny and accept the consequences of my choices in life. Without that freedom, I have nothing and I would rather have nothing and free to do something about it, than to have nothing and have nothing to do about it.

    If we believe that this is the most important election of our lifetimes and we truly want to regain the white house, let’s play to win presidency and the senate. Then we can have real change we can believe in.

  • bluerose75

    Instead os posting bogus garbage and talking points go check Jeffrey Lord’s article yesterday in the American Spectator. He breaks down the ENTIRE NEWT speech that the hitman and phony Abrams posted on National Review as claiming Reagan’s policies will fail. If you have the guts!! It clearly in the 7 pages shows Newt did not but praise Reagan and issued some concerns about issues that even Jeanne Kirkpatrick(one of Reagan’s biggest supporters) had. However, Newt does nothing but speak of his admiration and support of Reagan. Abrams did a hit piece and Lord called him out for it. And Bud McFarlane, one of Reagan’s closest advisers yesterday also called out people who said Newt was Anti-Reagan. McFarlane said Newt was very pro-Reagan and did everything to forward Reagan’s agenda.

    So your premise is nothing more than Romney talking points. And if you have the courage go back and google Romney’s statements on Reagan back in the late 80s and 90s. He spoke out against Reagan, did not want to be linked to Reagan, disagreed with Reagan’s economic policies and even supported Paul Tsongas (a liberal Democrat for President) in 92 over GHW Bush and Pat Buchanan.

    So before you put a spike in Newt’s eye open your own and get the facts instead of trying to discreedit the only man in the race that actually has some conservative credentials in his record. Mitt HAS NOT ONE!

  • bluerose75

    Ann Coulter likes Christie in Jersey, Romney from Mass, McCain from Arizona and others….need I say more…she would not know a conservative if she was hit in her backside. She is clueless and Bob Dole is outside of McCain the biggest embarrassment ever for the GOP. He always disliked conservatives and he has a personal grudge against Newt about costing him the election. Hey Bob! you had your butt kicked by Clinton because you were another lousy moderate candidate the Establishment shoved down our throats!!

    And Abrams was blown away by Jeffery Lord yesterday in the American Spectator for blantantly lying about Newt’s speech and being Anti-Reagan.

    Any other bogus supporters you wish to name to support your mischaracterization of Newt?

  • WillWong

    You failed to read the entire article. If you did read the entire article, you deliberately choose to focus on the words of one sentence while ignoring the rest of the article as well as the context.

    At this point, even if you have the entire March 21st 1986 tape, it wouldn’t change your mind.

    We have a word for people who have been had….sheeple!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    He’s all talk and no action. During his time in Congress, he voted for government expansion at every opportunity and was right up there with Ron Paul on earmarks. Santorum is one of the biggest hypocrites in the land of hypocrites know as the US Senate. Oh, and let’s not forget his unwavering support of organized labor when he voted against open shop.

    He’s nothing but a pro-life, big-government hypocrite. And you’re just not real bright.

  • Tbone

    and is being added by the moderate filth in the Republican Party that has sold this Country to the leftist traitors like Reid, Pelosi and the Marxist Obama. May they all burn in Hell.

    If you think Romney is going to stand against the cabal of socialism espoused by those who think government money is to be used to buy votes to keep them in their privileged lifestyles, you are a complete and utter fool.

  • jakeofalltrades

    The beclowning is now complete. Romney has become the anti-crazy candidate.

  • Common_Cents

    Santorum holds the key to defeating Romney.

    I find it real interesting that the “anti romney” reference has completely disappeared in the media narrative. They obviously want Santorum to stay in the race to dilute Newt support.

  • Wayne

    mimic our core principles don’t you? He’s real good at that and if you’re not words without substance, then Romney’s certainly your man.

    Newt’s a recoverying RINO. Good for him! He’s got my support.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Mitt – President
    Newt – President of the Senate (where he can tenderize Senators with his gavel before enjoying his ritual meals)
    Santorum – Secretary of Health and Human Services, where he can loose his inner Nanny.

  • texastaxpayer

    The “moon thing” is a great motivating idea. Americans are or where considering present company an imaginative and ultimately inspireable people. We love big ideas and challenges. Considering the benefits reaped in technology from our quest to reach the moon I would think people would be more optimistic. I mean I think the integrated circuit was a success. A couple of decades ago someone suggesting we could build a space station would have been accused of “Loosing touch with reality”. I think now more than ever we need big ideas and motivating plans to inspire the next generation. Besides he is advocating privatizing the attempts as much as possible which should save a truck load of those tax dollars we are currently spending to teach the world about the greatness of Muslim culture.

  • Lords86

    I prefer a true conservative – Rick Santorum.

    Second, you can’t run from what he said – Jeanne Kirkpatrick or not – he was wrong.

    Third, explain his dance with Pelosi. You can’t.

    Fourth, winners don’t whine and Newt’s doing a lot of whining these days. You reap what you sow.

  • Lords86

    I prefer a true conservative – Rick Santorum.

    Second, you can’t run from what he said – Jeanne Kirkpatrick or not – he was wrong.

    Third, explain his dance with Pelosi. You can’t.

    Fourth, winners don’t whine and Newt’s doing a lot of whining these days. You reap what you sow.

  • redmymind

    is just begging for another repeat of 2008 by desperately clingin’ on to Romney. Haven’t we learned from going for a “play it safe” moderate who also happens to have a highly questionable record that BHO could blow holes through in his sleep?

    Conservatives . . . (not the establishment puppets who call themselves so, i.e., Ann Coulter, Governor Crispy Creme Christie, et al.) need to seriously wake up see where this nomination is dangerously headed.

    As a fellow traditionalist Catholic who shares his faith and his convictions on social issues, I like Senator Santorum a lot. However, I harbor deep reservations of whether his triumphs at this stage are only ending up helping Romney.

    In my estimate, either Newt or Santorum have to go. A divided conservative field at this late stage is only going to help Romney . . . which in turn will practically guarantee four more years of a more emboldened BHO . . . “BHO 2.0″ or whatever.

    As far as Newt, I, like many of you here, am actually more keen on Newt given all the establishment fire-power being leveled against him. I can understand the media going after him or trying to “trip him up” . . . because that is what they normally do, but the GOP establishment? . . . SERIOUSLY???

    The establishment’s highly unusual, feverish and desperate attacks to evidently sink Newt actually encourages me to feel that Newt must have something good going for him. It makes me like him more.

    Whilst there are those who evidently can’t remove themselves from obsessing over the nitty-gritties of the last debate performance (who won, etc.–which is where the media and the establishment exactly want us to be), the bigger picture is that they’re trying to get Romney to be the nominee.

    McCain and Romney? Pete and Re-Pete of 2008.

  • Lords86

    Romney is not my preferred candidate, rather I prefer Santorum.

    Here’s the problem with the Newt brigade – you all whine over unfair treatment. Whining isn’t winning.

    Newt’s biggest problem is that he sticks his finger to the wind and, if it means cooperating with Hillary, he does it. If it means, cooperating with Pelosi, he does it. That’s not because Romney or the Establishment put him up to it, it’s because Newt thought it in his own political best interests.

    That’s not the type of leader I want – I want principled leadership and leaders who don’s saddle up with the opposition, because it’s the politically opportune thing to do.

    That ain’t being a ‘sheeple’ – wow, that’s rich coming from your blind loyalty for Newt.

  • Tbone

    exactly a badge of intelligence, Sparky.

  • WillWong

    Coming from a Santorum supporter….that’s really funny!

  • WillWong

    Lord86, i don’t mean to be disrespectful but how exactly principled is Santorum, a guy who is extolling his pro-life credentials at every opportunity ended up endorsing Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey?

    And what exactly are some of his achievements for smaller government, spending cuts, and welfare reform?

  • znjs

    Other then being able to say “we have a freakin base on the moon!!!” Maybe that’s a good enough reason for Dr Evil in the Austin Powers movies, but I’d hope for a better reason from the POTUS. And I say that as someone who would like us to restart space exploration. Now Mars, which would still be a grandiose idea, would be fine. There might actually be a point to doing that seeing as how the world population isn’t getting any smaller. Maybe, maybe the moon could be used as a stop along the way to pick up water or something if a practical way of getting it from the moon could be found that would justify having to take off from a 2nd time.

    But even if that’s the idea, Newt still gets it wrong. Our next state should be on the moon?! Yeah, the concerns of people living on the moon mirror so closely those of people living in the US that the same govt should be in charge of both. Plus this way the costs of the moon base fall completely on US taxpayers! Brilliant! If we were going to create a base on the moon it should be an international effort, with a local govt nominally under the UN until if find some way of becoming self-sufficient – which again probably doesn’t happen on the moon because there’s no point to having a base on the moon. The idea of “we’ll have people living on the moon – and they’re be American darn it!” is just pointless talk to make Newt feel like he’s a big idea man. Which proves it just about him, not a serious look into re-kicking us into major space exploration.

  • acat

    You are, perhaps, aware that other powers are seeking to put weapons in space? (go forth and google “rods from god”)

    That said, there’s a very good reason, albeit a long-term one, for doing the work of building a moonbase…. lots of very civilian-useful technology has its’ roots in the Apollo program.

    I’d say it’d be better as a DARPA project, as more interesting civilian applications fall out of that, including GPS, the internet, and much of early computer development. (go forth and google Grace Hopper)

    The final point is nationalism is a dangerous but powerful unifying force. Getting us all interested in being Americans again instead of being hyphenated or polarized would be a Good Thing .. and that’s another side effect of the Apollo missions.

    Mew

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    This was one of Newt’s ‘file it under ‘interesting idea’ ‘ thoughts this both impractical and a lousy distraction in his campaign.

    Not really thought out, as people notice we have treaties forbidding a state, the concept of thousands of people on the moon … makes NOT A LICK OF SENSE … the cost is enormous and no, private sector will NOT do it for the simple reason there is no ‘return on investment’ (unlike say having communications satellies) and the scientific value of a large moon presense is, um, nil.

    Using prizes to advance science is a good idea, but Newt and his big mouth got carried away and took it too far.
    So he creates more Jon Stewart material and wins no votes.

    If he was truly serious and thoughtful, he would end ALL manned space exploration tomorrow, and we would embark on robotics-based unmanned exploration, using technologies that enable us to send instruments and explorers that dont need oxygen and life-support. We could return to the moon *and* mars for a few billion, and have a huge amount of science done. we could and we should have a permanent *un*manned presence, putting down robots and sensors, etc.

  • znjs

    I think it’s a waste of money, and if we are going to do it rather then try to turn the space race into a militaristic race like Newt suggests we should work with other countries. That way if one country does try to use space weapons then all the other countries will be on our side.

    Also any benefits from technology used for space exploration would still exist even if we work with other countries.

    I’m plenty proud of being American without thinking that we have to start a new space race that could turn into war this time around. In fact I think if there’s a lack of patriotic feeling in this country right now it’s because of ill-planned ill-executed wars.

  • texastaxpayer

    I am glad our grandparents and parents didn’t think it wad a waste of money. I am also glad they didn’t let the potential reactions of the world dictate our accomplishments. I understand that you can use a sheet tied to a broom stick to surrender even if its not plain white. Thought that might be a useful fact for you, hope you find it helpful.

  • znjs

    Did you or did you not notice the part where I said I would be in favor of going to Mars? And it’s not worrying about what other countries think to feel that avoiding an unneeded war is worthwhile – it’s common sense.

  • texastaxpayer

    The moon would be an obvious first step as we could master the processes and technology necessary. Look I am not saying definitely moon base. I am saying let’s reach for the stars again. I am saying let’s shake this funk off and get back to the business of being the best again. Newt for better or worse is the only one who seems to agree.

    Just because we don’t develop a weapons system doesn’t mean others won’t so your argument kinda falls apart there. If we hadn’t developed missile technology would the world be missile free or would we have been blown to hell by the Russians in the 60′S ?
    Just so you know avoiding an unneeded war was pretty much Carter’s campaign slogan against Reagan.

  • znjs

    I was born in the early 80′s.

    But I also never said we shouldn’t develop a weapons system. But I didn’t get the impression that’s why we wanted a moon base – indeed I didn’t see any rational behind the moon base besides the idea of having a moon base is cool. And the idea that China is going to lend us the money we need to build a weaponized moon base just doesn’t seem realistic to me.

    And while reasonable people could disagree, I don’t see any knowledge we gain from having a lab on the moon as being that helpful as a first step to other places. It’s lack of an atmosphere wouldn’t translate well to Mars, plus we wouldn’t know how much (if any) problems experienced by the human body in low gravity would translate to a bigger body like Mars. But on the other hand it’s too large with enough gravity to be decently compared to working on asteroids if we go that route instead.

  • znjs

    The point I was trying to make is that Newt seems more in love with the idea of him being a big ideas man and seriously trying to make the case for a moon base. A case could be made. I would have doubts about it, but it could be made. But I don’t hear him seriously weighing the pros and cons of having a moon base and explaining why he came to the conclusion that the pros outweighed the cons. I hear him saying “I think in grandiose terms. Aren’t I amazing/ Also everyone who disagrees with me is small minded.” That’s my problem with Newt – he doesn’t push big ideas because he believes in them, he is really just pushing himself. And I think realizing that is an important aspect of deciding whether or not to vote for him.

  • znjs

    The point I was trying to make is that Newt seems more in love with the idea of him being a big ideas man *then* seriously trying to make the case for a moon base.

    I reworded that sentence but left the “and” which makes it confusing. Oops.

  • texastaxpayer

    The guy has written a dozen books on everything from healthcare to the founding fathers. He has 3 or 4 companies he started and built himself. While I won’t argue that he doesn’t spout of at the mouth at times. He does focus and deliver as well. I am not a Newt worshipper, there are certainly better resources than me about Newt. But I do remember his term as speaker a lot of it great some of it bad. If you are looking for a guy to deliver the impossible he is not a bad choice.

    I do get your points however and think we actually agree on more than we don’t. Sounds like we are just looking for the right plan that delivers the appropriate cost to benefit ratios….

  • Uma Richie

    I posted a question about a comment of yours from earlier in the week here:
    http://www.redstate.com/repair_man_jack/2012/01/20/romney-and-faust/#comment-7329

    If you could click on over and take a look, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

  • Lords86

    board feel an overwhelming desire to insult the intelligence of others? It’s particuarly curious because not knowing me, you have no concept of my intellect. Perhaps you should read my diary.

    Instead, when salient points are made and you have no cogent response, insult the intelligence of the poster. Gee, that’s innovative. Never seen that one done before.

    Santorum is principled, driven and, regrettably, near broke. He can hold his own in any debate with Obama. If supporting a principled pro-life, pro-gun rights, pro-military, pro-Israel fiscal conservative, who has never seen fit to politically bond with Hillary or Nancy and has a healthy libertarian streak, is evidence of a lack of intellect, so be it.

  • Tbone

    is stupid. That is the only salient point available.

  • sandiegovoter

    Go to intrade and put some money on Santorum if you think that could happen. Santorum’s odds of getting the nomination are about 95 to 1. Romney will be the nominee.

  • sandiegovoter

    Because he’s not a creepy, philandering, lying, hypocritical environmentalist.

    Newt has some baggage. Newt will be the first to tell you that he does. But Newt’s path to the nomination has involved stabbing fellow Republicans in the back. Newt was responsible for both Democrats and Republicans getting kicked out of the House in 1994 for participating in the House Bank Scandal. Newt himself participated in abusing that fund which is how he came to know that it was being abused. I’m amazed that Newt made it as far as he did.

  • redmymind

    Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z . . .

  • acat

    A President can accomplish a handful, 3-5, big things.

    Reagan accomplished the end to the Carter malaise, the fall of the Berlin wall and of the USSR, and did so in part by revitalizing NASA – “Space truck” anyone?

    Bush 1.0 accomplished creating Dana Carvey’s career.

    Clinton accomplished tax increases, troop draw-downs, and seeing the House of Representatives swinging to the GOP for the first time in decades.

    Bush 2.0 accomplished the Roberts court, Medicare part D, presiding over 9/11 and Katrina, and victory in Iraq.

    Obama has gotten socialized medicine well underway, just as the rest of the western world are backing away from it.

    Gingrich knows that he’s got 4 years to accomplish “big stuff”, and that “big science” and nationalism are very effective at bringing the country behind the leadership.

    Out-of-control nationalism is quite dangerous, but .. seriously, Hollywood today couldn’t make “Top Gun”. We’re not in any danger, and I don’t see us getting there in one term.

    Mew

  • Lords86

    who defend a candidate they say emulates Reagan’s finest qualities resort to labeling those who disagree as intellectually deficient. It was Reagan who was so labeled prior to and during his presidency – as we know, that wasn’t the case. And, it isn’t in mine, either. But malign away – perhaps, it makes you feel better about supporting your candidate – good for you. (BTW, I invite you to read through my diary and see if your estimation of me is accurate – I’d guess you’ve recommended this person who’s ‘just not real bright’ many times.)

    In the meantime, for those who claim that Jeff Lord’s piece in American Spectator was the definitive piece on what Newt said or didn’t say in his 1986 speech, I commend to you Rich Lowery’s piece in NRO. Look it up for yourself. You should be able to do it much quicker than I did, because after all my intellect is waning.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Where did I defend Newt? Please point it out to me.

    I’m not real fond of Newt. However, we’re down to Romney, Santorum, Paul and Newt.

    Romney has no center. He’ll likely be our candidate. Oh well. I can’t stand the guy, but he’s better than Obama. I’ll support him if he’s the candidate.

    Paul. Not a Republican. Won’t win. He’s an anti-Semitic, racist bigot and a hypocrite of the first order, not to mention being the most ineffective Member of the House in decades.

    Santorum. Excuse me for a second… … … ahh, I’m back. Had to go vomit. One issue big-government clone of Bush without the charm, intelligence and spine.

    Newt. Sigh. At least he’s got some conservative accomplishments in his record. He’s the only one of the bunch who got that. I don’t give a damn about his relationship with Reagan. I don’t care much about his pandering (out of office) to Pelosi or any of that crap. He was the best Speaker of the House in my lifetime – and yeah, that may not be saying much – and the only one of this sad bunch who’s had a conservative thought and an idea how to implement it in his lifetime.

    And yeah, you’re a complete idiot.

  • bluerose75

    Sorry Lords….NRO is in the pocket of Romney. There has not been once article written by NR in looking at Romney’s Anti-Reagan comments in the 80s and 90s. You can google, I am sure you can do that with your injured intellect, and see for yourself what the tin suit Romney had to say about Reagan. He did not like Reagan, did not like his policies, wanted nothing to do with Reagan or Bush and even back Paul Tsongas, a liberal Democrat from Mass, for President. I did not see any of that in Newt’s record.

    You cannot name one conservative principle or policy Romney stood for as Governor. You keep trying to go back to a speech which when I read does not show Gingrich against Reagan but expressing some concerns moving forward…some shared other HAWKS at the time like Jeanne Kirkpatrick.

    Your guy has not one piece of governance showing any link to Reagan whatsoever. So spare us your trip to the persecuted cross and get on google and defend the tin suit’s blantant dislike for Reagan in the 80s and 90s.! Because his little play pretend now acting like he has the mantle of Reagan is not only BS to the highest degree but also Romney and Obama are interchangeable when it comes to governance!!Their respective records are liberal, liberal and liberal, And you have no ground to show anywhere that Romney ever voted conservative, governed conservative or is a conservative. He is a sheep in wolf’s clothing pure and simple. The only thing Romney has in common with Reagan is that both their last name’s begin with the letter R!!

  • JSobieski

    2. Newt “attacked” Reagan from the right. A lot of loyal Reagan supporters got very nervous when Reagan took a warm tone with Gorby and the USSR. My parents are from that part of the world, and I remember his fear that Reagan was making mistakes.

    Reagan’s views on how to handle the USSR were unique.

    The left didn’t appreciate his harshness.
    The right didn’t appreciate his softness.
    Neither thought the USSR would collapse in their lifetimes.

    Newt may exagerate his accomplishments and the magnitude of his contributions in the 1980s, but his accomplishments of behalf of conservatism speak for themselves.

    Only a handful can say they did more—-and that handful is dead.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Sme people dont want to hear the message that Santorum is actually the best remaining conservative in the race. It’s unfortunate some people attack you personally for it – the name-calling is uncalled for.

    It’s shocking to me how a supposedly conservative site is willing to spend most of its effort tearing down various conservative candidates and members of the movement rather than build up the ones they like. We replaced the 11th commandment with a circular firing squad.

    At the same time, I understand the frustration with the flawed field we have, including Santorum, who in any other presidential primary would be second-stringer 1%er but who IMHO is now the best remaining candidate, when the alternatives are two non-conservatives and one unelectable one.

    Speak the truth in love, and the rest will take care of itself.

  • snowshooze

    So one cut was ok… but to bleed your own is sacrilege.
    So they hate him. . And they fear him.
    So he sounds a bit better every day.
    I know he is a loose cannon. He might say just about anything in the next 5 minutes. I don’t give it too much worry though… anything he says in the next 5 minutes will be better than everything Obama says in the next 4 years.
    And Romney… oh geeze.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Romney, who ran away from a 2006 re-election he was going to lose that anyway? Who is 1 for 3 in his election tries.

    Newt, who only ran in a GOP-leaning district, lost his first two races running to the left of the incumbent Democrat, finally won, represented it well, but was kicked out of speakership when his own caucus was about to dump him, and he’s been out of office for 14 years.

    Santorum, who won multiple tough elections in Democrat leaning districts and a Democrat leaning state, until 2006, when a guy who was the son and with the same name as the most popular politician in PA in our lifetimes, went after santorum in a year that was a wipeout for Republicans. so he lost in a tidal wave year.

    Never mind that GWBush, GHWBush, Nixon, and many other former president lost elections.

    Experience? The ONLY candidate who has experience in both houses of Congress, and in state-level. Newt’s never run a state. Yes, he ran the House, but the reviews that came in are mixed at best on that.

    So “proven loser” is Mitt and Newt as well. And Newt stands out in current polls as the only with the real ‘electability’ concerns.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    He wrote and guided the 1995 welfare reform bill through the Senate.

    In reality, he (and Clay Shaw on House side) had more to do with getting Welfare Reform passed than Newt did. Newt takes credit for presiding as Speaker over the COngress that did this, but Santorum did the leg work on the Senate side, and was a real leader on this issue.

    Santorum’s principles including his pro-life principles are quite intact. I noted in another thred that Reagan endorsed pro-choice senators, and nobdy took away his “reagan Republican” card over it. Did Reagan lack principle?

  • courdeleon02

    He has placed himself as more important than the future of this country. If he cannot win he will make sure that Romney cnnot as well.This is a self centered little boy who is impressed only by himself. Now I can see why his marriges never worked out. No women would put up with this slander and nasty disposition. I would compare him to Hitler in his bunker. No amount of reason will change this mans mind. He is hell bent on destroying Romney even if it means 4 more years of Obama and a liberal SCOTUS coupled with a continuation of the marxist socialist policies. Newt believes he is more important than what is good for the country.