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More just than the Fair-Tax, and simpler than 9-9-9, it’s just one… JUST ONE-Tax.

In the interest of full disclosure I’m no lawyer or accountant, I don’t like the idea of a national sales tax, I think the current system is out of whack, the government needs to get off our backs, and if our elected leaders can’t fix it, then I want my money back. Oh, and Rick Perry is my first choice.

Neither earning great amounts of income nor consuming great amounts of goods and services is inherently evil or bad for the economy in fact the converse is truer, so why overly penalize either? Instead, why not keep things simple and stick to one type of tax so its easier to keep rates low and just for everyone?

THE PROPOSAL

I’d like to propose a national flat tax on income to replace all other national taxes on income; one national tax that taxes individual, corporate, and capital gains (indexed for inflation) income at the same effective rate, allowing businesses to fully expense all new equipment in addition to the other currently deductible costs of doing business, and with no double taxation (which means no separate payroll tax, and no tax on dividends, inheritances or repatriated dollars).

The JUST-ONE Tax:

  • Just one national tax on individual, corporate and capital gains income
  • No double taxation (no FICA, dividend, or inheritance tax)
  • With just one low effective rate (10%)

THE TAX BURDEN

Even without all our favorite deductions (save business expenses), exemptions and credits, the impact of the tax burden from a flat tax on income can be moderated by keeping its marginal rate as low as possible.  I recommend a rate of 12% or less because most employees already pay about this amount in payroll taxes (15.3% in FICA taxes) on our income under $107,000.

Employees pay directly 6.2% for Social Security and 1.45% for Medicare, and their employer matches that for a total of 15.3%. Even Fair-Tax proponents argue that employers once unburden from income taxes, will eventually pass some of these saving to their employees in the form of increases in salary, wages, and benefits.  So it seems reasonable to argue that if these same employers are unburdened with their share of payroll taxes, they will also then pass some of these savings on to their employees.  The extent of this increase may be debatable, but some increase to employees is likely.

By removing all the other deductions and exemptions and keeping the tax rate the same for all, everyone has an interest in keeping the rate low. On the contrary, under our current tax code, because of offsets and payment many are insulated from high tax rates while also enjoying other generous government benefits at the expense of those of who are not shielded from paying income tax.  The sheltered class has little reason to demand low rates or less government spending.  And so, the inequity inherent with our progressive tax system creates great tension pitting one class against another in our country, when they should be working in the same direction to promote the welfare of all.

Shifting to a single flat rate and eliminating all deductions, exemptions (beyond the double taxation mentioned), and credits will give all income earners (skin in the game) and an equal appreciation of the taxman.  Both rich and poor who may have effectively paid no or very little taxes on their incomes because of offsets and payments will now come to appreciate the yoke that has burdened the rest of us who have for years paid more, and will help diminish the squabbling and class conflict that gridlocks efforts to mend our fiscal problems.

For some the burden will be greater, but for most in the middle the actual amount paid in taxes will change very little because they already pay effectively close to 15% on their income in the form of individual income and payroll taxes. The family of five above (considering its current amount of FICA payroll withholding) will only pay about $50 more a month under a 10% flat tax on income.

The biggest barrier to enacting a pure flat tax is that it necessarily requires that personal and dependent exemptions and other deductions are excluded from the tax code. This of course raises the complaint that this makes the tax burden extremely regressive.  Much of this criticism can be deflected by the extremely low rate of taxation  that the stripping away of these offsets will effect or rather allow (i.e. 10%).   Even with the extremely low tax rate, without the payments: The refundable credits for children and the Earned Income Credit, the tax burden will still be seen by many as being too regressive.  However, this complaint too can also be deflected by arguing that a pure flat tax like the one proposed here does not have to necessarily eliminate any such payments just because they are removed from the tax code and are no longer applied for and paid out on the basis of one’s tax return.  More precisely, these payments can still exist but as stand alone welfare programs (which after all they are welfare just not standalone programs) cut-away and removed from the tax code.  Ideally under this flat tax proposal there would be no need for most people to file a tax return. Do taxpayers file a return each year in regards to the social security tax they pay? No they don’t, and the same should be true of any true flat tax in which everyone pays the same effective rate, but I digress. Once such payments like EIC and the child tax credit are removed from the tax code and properly placed among the other welfare programs their expenses can be better controlled. For example if we could put a time limit on other welfare programs, then why not on these, let’s say four years?

Even with an extremely low rate of 10% a pure flat tax may be too much of a shock for most people, so the only hope of ever enacting a flat tax is to at least start with a modified version that has personal exemptions and a higherrate of taxation (i.e. 20%).

Any flat tax may very well increase the deficit, but this prospect may do more to help focus lawmakers to reign in the rising burden of entitlement spending than if we simply continue to bury entitlements into the tax code.  Again such a muddling of the tax code only makes it more difficult to achieve lower tax rates and to cut   spending because the discussion inevitably grinds to a halt over the issue of class: Rich vs. Poor.  And although it can’t be denied that lowering the rate of taxation to 10% will initially cause deficits to rise, it also can’t be denied that it will have an explosive effect on economic growth as these tax savings are injected into the more efficient and innovative private sector of the economy.  Not only will this growth result in higher revenues for the government softening deficits, but it will also result in higher wages and incomes softening the negative impact this new tax code will have on taxpayers.

REGRESSIVE vs. PROGRESSIVE

Some will argue that a flat tax is regressive and thus hits the lower-income earners disproportionately harder and thus is unfair, but they’re only looking at the costs and not the benefits of taxation. A LOW flat tax, even if regressive is FAIR and more just because we lower-income earners generally receive a disproportionately higher share of the direct benefits provided by (the government) taxes.  The key of course to this assertion is that the rate of the flat tax is low enough so that the tax burden it imposes on lower-income earners is equally low.

For example, under a 10% (effective) flat income tax rate, a family of five who earns $25,000 (in wages) a year will only pay $2,500 in federal income taxes, but in return they qualify for tens of thousands of dollars in direct benefits like food assistance, Pell grants, Medicaid, Social Security, disability, and Medicare, etc., and many more thousands of dollars in indirect benefits like infrastructure maintenance, subsidized mail delivery, public safety inspections, law enforcement, and military protection to name just a few.  Even under a flat tax they’re making out like bandits, and the rich are still paying more: Anyone making 10 times more than this family will pay 10 times as much in taxes. If they earn a million dollars they will pay 40 times as much, if they earn 10 million dollars they will pay 400 times as much in taxes, and so on.

If any form of taxation is unfair it is progressive taxation because it attempts to squeeze even more from the upper classes to give the lower classes more benefits at little or no cost to them.  Under such a system, the lower classes have no incentive to demand taxes be kept low as they rarely have to pay them, nor do they have much incentive  to demand that government benefits (spending) remain modest as they are the primary recipients of much of that (entitlement) spending.  And since the lower classes comprise a majority in society, they simply can use their political (numbers) power to discriminate unjustly against the minority and use the instruments of government to legally take their property.  Under our current progressive income tax, the family of five above will not only receive the same benefits identified above, but they will pay nothing for them, and in addition can receive over $8,000 in refundable tax credits. So not only are they given benefits for free, but they’re being paid further to enjoy them.

“FAIR” IS NOT SO JUST

The Fair-Tax purports to be more fair because the marginal tax rate is the same for everyone and everyone generally gets about the same size prebate payment.  Some have argued that the Fair-Tax is also a regressive tax because most consumption taxes are.  However, with its use of prebate payments; the Fair-Tax does attempt to shield the lower classes from some of the tax burden much like  a progressive tax does.  There is nothing wrong with helping the poor, but doing so through the tax code only muddles the whole issue of fairness in taxation, and effectively frustrates any hope of achieving a reasonable and “just” tax code or keeping one (let alone bringing spending under control).

Under the Fair-Tax, the above family of five will still qualify for the same government benefits, and they will most likely consume a large percentage of their income.  However, for argument sake let’s say they only consume $18,000 and save or spend the rest on non-taxed consumption.  The Fair-Tax rate is 23% so their tax burden on this consumption would be $4,140, but they get a prebate payment (check from the government) of $7,562 to offset their tax burden so their effective tax burden is -$3,422.  This is about a third of the payout the family would have received under our current progressive system, but just like with our current system, they’re getting tens of thousands in government benefits for free, and then a surplus ($3,422) to help make it all the more enjoyable (maybe they’ll spend it on a vacation living large in Mexico or Canada so they can avoid the Fair-Tax there too).

Clearly, at least on the surface the Fair-Tax is better than our current progressive tax, but not by much.  At first glance, it seems to spread the tax burden evenly to all citizens, while shielding those and at the bottom.  However, it doesn’t take a genius to see how this so-called “Fair” tax will devolve into a tax haven for the rich and possibly the poor.  Thus one of the biggest problems with the Fair-Tax, and why it is not as “just” as a low flat tax, is that the upper class can easily afford to avoid the Fair-Tax (in this case by doing most of their consumption abroad), the lower classes are given a break (the prebate subsidizes a large share of their consumption), and the middle class is left holding the bulk of the tab.  It doesn’t take any stretch of the imagination to see how effective rates graphed for the various income groups under the Fair-Tax would resemble a bell curve with those rates for the poor being negative then increasing initially as income and consumption increase, reaching a plateau with the middle classes and then sinking as income continues to rise and people are more capable of taking their consumption to a jurisdiction where consumption is not so penalized.

Strangely, Fair-Tax advocates tend to minimize the very real threat that revenue may fall short of expectations due to the inflationary effect and availability of substitutes such as after-market and black market goods, and cross border living and consumption. What’s apparently insignificant to them has led many critics to assert that the Fair-Tax’s marginal rate will inevitably rise in order to make up for shrinking revenue, and this will lead many to demand the prebate amount also rise to shield a lower classes further from the higher rate. Under such steps, not only would the tax system become more progressive, but consumption and economic growth would suffer as more consumers seek alternatives to taxed consumption.  Skirting the Fair-Tax I fear will become as fashionable and acceptable as flaunting Prohibition was for 1920s Americans.

Because it offers less of a sticker shock than the Fair-Tax of 23%, Herman Cain’s 9% national sales tax proposal, will arguably have less an impact on consumption especially in the lower and middle classes.  However, what seems to be most understated or ignored about Cain’s 9-9-9 plan is that 9+9= 18, or nearly an 18% flat tax (as  many will not consume their entire available income).  Alas, for the lower and middle classes who are less able to avoid consuming basic necessities that are taxed, and for which such things make up a larger proportion of their income, their effective tax rate is very likely to be over 15%, while for the upper class, like many ultra liberal actors who make millions from films but live abroad, their effective tax could easily be closer to 9%.  At least under the Fair-Tax, the lower classes will be spared paying an effective tax rate of over 15% (with the prebate and no income tax), but this offers little consolation for the middle class especially when the upper class can easily get away with paying an effective rate closer to zero (but I digress). This is not to say that Cain’s tax is excessive, except in comparison to a single low effective flat tax rate of 10%.  Instead, more than anything, it illustrates how his (Cain’s) tax hits harder the lower classes.

Cain’s 9-9-9 plan places a higher burden on lower and middle class people; with the Fair-Tax the burden is carried by the middle, while both plans favor the upper class with effectively lower rates.  How fair is that? One could argue ( I won’t) that if the lower classes receive more of the direct benefits of taxation, then they should pay a higher effective rate of taxation in support of those benefits than those who receive less of them.  Such an argument however, fails to include the cost of indirect benefits in the assessment.  What about the indirect benefits, like national defense and the courts?  Isn’t it true that someone with more wealth has more to lose, thus more to protect, and the more one has to protect, the greater their cost for that protection should be?  It seems only fair that this also be considered when assessing the tax burden of each class.  If the lower classes receive a larger share of the direct benefits (payments) and the other classes receive a larger share of indirect benefits, then don’t their benefits balance out in the end?  All things being even, why not erase the existing tax code and simply keep one low flat tax on income for everyone?

Our current tax system is clearly out of whack, it is as unjust as it is overly complicated, but the answer to fixing it should never include adding an entirely new type of tax like the consumption tax that make up the Fair-Tax or the 9-9-9 plan.  Advocates for these plans claim that their new tax will remain fair and low, but no one can guarantee this.  Suggesting otherwise is naive at best.  At least with a plan to lower and flatten the income tax, we are not handing  the government yet another tool (tax) with which to squeeze and attack our liberty and property.

 More just than the Fair-Tax, and simpler than 9-9-9, it’s just one… JUST ONE-Tax 

I’d like to propose a national flat tax on income to replace all other national taxes on income; one national tax that taxes individual, corporate, and capital gains (indexed for inflation) income at the same effective rate, allowing businesses to fully expense all new equipment in addition to the other currently deductible costs of doing business, and with no double taxation (which means no separate payroll tax, and no tax on dividends, inheritances or repatriated dollars).

The JUST-ONE Tax:

  • Just one national tax on individual, corporate and capital gains income
  • No double taxation (no FICA, dividend, or inheritance tax)
  • With just one low effective rate (10%)

ACHIEVING A FLAT TAX IN 6 EASY StEPS:

First: Exorcise (get a priest if necessary) all payments/credits (EIC and ACTC) from the tax code, and set them aside as standalone programs.  They are rightfully welfare programs, but only apart from the tax code will they be properly viewed and treated as such by the general public. However in fighting for this change, do not call these credits/payments welfare; people who think they’re still in the middle class don’t like to be told they’re on welfare. When it’s a tax credit it’s not welfare and they may oppose this change just so they can look themselves in the mirror lie with a straight face. Eliminating or changing them should be a separate and later debate(separating them will make this task easier);under taking that debate now or allowing these paymentsto stay connected to the tax code will only act as a barrier to simplifying the tax code. Retaining these payments if only as standalone programs will helpto defuse much of the regressive tax criticism that a flat tax invites since they’re a large part of the reason why our current tax code is progressive.  Thus, we can argue that the new flat tax code is essentially no more regressive than our current progressive tax code, and more importantly, it begins theprocess of disciplining the public to evaluate the regressive nature of a tax on the basis of how much the a person receives in (welfare) benefits from the government as oppose to comparing the proportion of their disposable income that is left after being taxed with that of others.

Second: Adopt a modified rather than pure flat income tax.  The easiest and best way to modify a pure flat tax is to offer a generous base exemption for each person, while allowing an individual to claim the exemption of dependents. The public generally likes the idea of everyone paying the same income tax rate, and that everyone pays at least something towards the income tax, but once the reality of that burden on themselves or the poor sets in they will be swayed by the argument that a pure flat tax is too regressive.  The combined exemptions of a household should cover enough of their basic living expenses so that most other existing offsets (deductions) can be eliminated. However, include a corollary that the total amount of one’s exemption(s) cannot exceed certain percentage of their total income, like 95% so that everyone will pay something for the income tax even if it is a token amount. This gives everyone an incentive to demand that the rate stays low. If this invites regressive tax criticisms remind them that the payments and credits of the old tax code still exist just apart from the new tax code and this more than effectively zeros-out the tax liability of most lower-income earners.

Third: Structure your rates and exemptions so that supporter of this flat tax can legitimately argue that in most cases taxes will go up only for those who currently don’t pay taxes or who don’t currently pay their fair share.  The poor won’t lose a thing, under this new arrangement, the only thing different is how they get it. One could even argue that instead of receiving refundable credits once a year in one lump sum, they now can have the money disbursed in smaller more frequent payments just like with other forms of public assistance. Finally, argue that just as it is only fair to insist that everyone whether rich or poor (especially those who currently don’t pay income taxes) ought to pay something, it is also only fair that those who currently have their income double taxed (overseas profits, dividends, estates, etc.) just have their income taxed once under any new code.

Fourth: Make the rate low enough to help spur economic growth and make the rate the same for corporations as it is for individuals; try not to distinguish between the two, but begin the formation of the mindset that this is just one tax to help make raising one over the other in the future just a little more difficult. Allow individuals and corporations to deduct all expenses related to the development, production, distribution, and sale of goods and services including 100% of investment into the means for future production, distribution, and sales of goods.

Fifth: Introduce the flat tax in phases. In the first phase, the flat tax could be an alternative to the existing progressive tax code with taxpayers given the choice between the two. The second phase would be to require all people follow the flat tax and completely do away with the old tax code including the payroll taxes. The third phase would make the tax code even more pure: exemptions would be reduced in exchange for a lower rate (15%). An initial high rate high rate of 20% and the corollary that no one may exempt more than 95% of the income from the flat income tax will make this transition to a purer flat tax an easier pill to swallow. The fourth phase would also initially be optional, but it would be a pure flat tax with no exemptions and a rate of 12%. The fifth phase would be mandatory and rates would be lowered to 10%.

Sixth: Make the flat tax one part of a broader plan to revive the economy. The foundation of this revival must be based on encouraging the growth of the more efficient and innovative private sector of the economy by decreasing the size and influence (regulatory reform) of the more wasteful and parasitic public sector of the economy. Deficit reduction is never as important as cutting overall spending – the public needs to be made aware of the difference. Some will argue that a low flat income tax will not generate nearly the same amount of revenue raised by the current progressive tax and deficits will rise, but the deficits caused by the reduction of taxes are not nearly as debilitating as deficits caused by increases in government spending because whenever the government spends money it represents economic activity that could have been done by the more efficient and innovative private sector.  Moreover the politicians that create deficits by increasing spending above what can be supported by current taxes and rates are obsessed with raising those taxes as the only means for addressing the deficit they created. Government attempts to stimulate demand with increased spending are never sustainable and generally the demand lasts only as long as does the government money.

Cutting and capping spending now and further controlling it in the future with a balanced budget amendment will not only help to eliminate deficits, but it will enable taxes to be dropped further.  Just like a person that is overburdened and overworked is more susceptible to ailments and breakdowns so too is an economy over-yoked with excessive taxes and regulations.

Clearly, a flat tax is an easy way to simplify and lower taxes and the costs associated with tax compliance.  And even though critics argue that revenue will decline and deficit and our national debt will rise,  in the long-term, a low flat tax will lead to an explosion of growth in the private sector, and this will in turn (more than) make up for the initial loss of tax revenue.  This growth will be even greater if the flat tax is part of a broader plan to further encourage growth in the more efficient and innovative private sector by decreasing the size (spending cuts) and influence (regulatory reform) of the more wasteful and parasitic public sector of the economy, and by enacting legislation to help lower other costs (i.e. energy and torts), while working to expand access to foreign markets and to promote fairness in that trade.

Finally, no serious effort to cut spending can be honestly deemed successful, unless the $1 trillion white elephant in the room is targeted. Entitlements are destroying the moral fabric of our nation while they continue to pile on to the burden of those Americans who still find it worthwhile to be productive here.  Really who wants to learn to fish or even fish for themselves, when fish are (readily) given away for free? No wonder we have problems with education.  Is it any wonder that the lowest standardized test scores come from children raised in households that are maintained by entitlement programs? We are killing ourselves as a nation with this quilt-affair with entitlements. Enough is enough.

COMMENTS

  • Craigpennsylvania

    dvdmsr – Perhaps I missed it, but I don’t see the mention of interest income. Since you are excluding Dividend income, it’s pretty safe to assume you are excluding interest income.

    You also propose eliminating the inheritance tax.

    Getting rid of the inheritance tax is good. However, let us look at your proposal with an eye towards not taxing dividends and interest under the 12% idea.

    Senior dies and leaves $100 million to Junior. Junior buys preferred stocks paying, say, 5% dividend. Junior is now making $5 million per year tax free.

    At the same time, another person – let’s call him Max – starts a business from scratch and builds it to being worth $100 million and sells it. Keeping this simple, let’s assume his cost basis was zero. He has a $100 million cap gain.

    He pays $12 million.

    The point is – if you want a “one tax” (good idea, and still far preferable to the current system), then all income needs to be taxed.

    This means Cap Gains, Interest, Dividends, Income from a Job, Profit from a company that is distributed in any way, whether bonus, stock options, etc …

    Having no corporate tax is good – if the corporation keeps the money “in house” in order to expand, this means more jobs, which means more taxpayers.

    Once the corporation pays the people, regardless how the money is paid, it becomes subject to the one tax.

    Muni bonds should also be subject to the one tax.

    Why?

    It’s simple. Let’s use simple math. Take $1 million and invest it in Muni Bonds, Dividend stocks, etc … ANYTHING that generates an income stream.

    Now let’s use that same 5% return.

    This is $50,000 per year in INCOME. It would be taxed at 12%. The person still has the $1 million in principal. That is not being taxed. All that is taxed is the income from the investment. This person would pay $6000.

    This still does not take into account the “underground economy”, but a low rate like this WOULD have the effect of minimizing the reasons for the underground economy. People are less likely to cheat when the rate is low.

    There are other intangibles that could be helpful in getting more people away from the underground economy with this “one tax” idea. People with undeclared income have a hard time getting bank financing, because banks don’t like lending money to people who cannot prove the income. At 12%, many more people would eschew hiding the money than under the current system.

    Would a thinking person support this idea? Let’s see if there are more comments.

    • dvdmsr

      My opposition to taxing income from dividends, inheritances and repatriated dollars was premised on the idea that those incomes have already been taxed enough, but I?d open to even taxing those sources again if it meant the rate would be reduced further to 10% or less.

      • dvdmsr

        but I was operating from the under the assumption that when someone owns a share of a corporation his share of the profits were already being taxed at 12% and that that amount would be sent out to the government for him by the management of the corporation and then they (the management) would send him the remainder. I understand everyone doesn’t share that view, and if it means the rates can be even lower I’ll gladly consider reconsider that interpretation.

        On inheritance, do we really want to exploit someone’s loss simply to squeeze more out of the same piece of property we repeatedly taxed during the dead man’s life, and wouldn’t the revenue gained be generally used more efficiently and profitably in private hands?

        On repatriated profits, isn’t having one national government tax your profits enough?

        On all these issues, I’d gladly make exceptions to bring the rate down lower.

  • Craigpennsylvania

    dvdmsr – In today’s system, there is a corporate tax and a tax on dividends. I like simple math examples, so please don’t think I am talking down to you in this example. The idea for this example is so anyone reading it can understand how this works.

    Let’s say we have a corporation that makes $100,000. That company decides to pay $20,000 to its shareholders in dividends.

    The company still has to pay the corporate tax on the full $100,000.

    Assuming a 35% corporate rate and a 15% dividend rate, the company pays $35,000 in taxes while the persons getting the dividend pay $3000.

    That is double taxation.

    Under the 12% “one tax” idea, the dividends will not have been taxed at the corporate level, as there is no corporate tax. Thus, including dividends in one’s income stream would be appropriate.

    If, under the “one tax” idea as proposed, there was no tax on dividends, corporations could pay out 100 percent of the profits to shareholders with the shareholders owing nothing.

    Looking at this personally, my auto dealerships are corporations. Under the “one tax”, I would not take any salary if dividends were excluded from taxation. I would merely declare a large dividend every year and pay no taxes, even though I had a nice income.

    • dvdmsr

      My original plan was that there would be no separate corporate tax rate; corporate income would then pay the same 12% as everyone else; the exemption for dividends to avoid double taxation should make more sense then.

  • Craigpennsylvania

    dvdmsr – A correction. You are calling for a flat 12% corporate tax. If you leave this intact, then the dividends should be exempt.

    Personally, I think taxing dividends as income and eliminating corporate tax is a better economic growth approach.

    By eliminating the corporate tax, companies can keep profits for expansion purposes. Companies will be better in competing internationally, as the corporate tax will not be a company expense.

    The company profits WILL be taxed when the profits are distributed to the board and/or share holders under this “one tax” idea.

    • dvdmsr

      nt

  • nick2253

    but your math needs a little work.

    First off, you greatly underestimate the amount of money paid in taxes. Yes, the average family may have approximately a 15% income tax burden, but the total federal tax burden is much closer to 23%. A flat 12% tax would cut the federal government revenue stream in half.

    Secondly, how to draw the line for double taxation? The problem inherently lies in the fact that we do not earn income the same way. Some people may inherit their income, some may get it from interest on bank accounts, some may get it on returns from a stock market, some may get it by running a business, or some may get it by drawing a salary or wage. Unfortunately, you cannot tax all forms of income without risk of double taxation. However, we all consume the same way. That is why FairTax makes so much sense: by taxing consumption, we don’t run the risk of “unfairly” taxing some individuals and not taxing other, or “unfairly” double-taxing some dollars and not others.

    Thirdly, you significantly overestimate the ability for the lower class to pay tax. I agree with you and all the benefits of a flat tax (like getting everyone on the same team), but the lowest quintile of earners currently pays but 4% of their income in federal taxes. Your proposal would triple that. For an individual that makes the minimum wage (about $16k), your plan would change the tax burden from $640 to $1920. Most individuals earning that wage do not have an extra $1300 to give to the federal government. Even if they are getting the same numerous benefits as before, you are asking them to drop another $1300, which isn’t realistic.

    Lastly, you greatly mischaracterize FairTax in your analysis. For starters, you cherry pick a family of five that can subside on $25k a year. I’m sorry, but most families of five cannot survive on $25k a year. In fact, $25k is almost a thousand dollars below the poverty level for a family of five. Also, FairTax isn’t a tax-haven for the rich. Since much of the wealthy make their income in business, all of that business consumption will be taxed. Furthermore, many of the wealthy’s purchases are more expensive than the average family’s purchases: cars, jewelry, furniture, boats, planes, etc. To assume that the wealthy will simply send off overseas to get their purchases is unrealistic: the cost of international transport is incredibly high, and Europe is already saddled with a VAT that makes their goods nearly as expensive as post-FairTax goods. Goods could be obtained in Latin America or Asia, but the lower standards of production and high risk of counterfeits makes such external purchases an unattractive enterprise. I mean, goods in Latin America and Asia are already cheaper than US goods, but we don’t have a mass exodus of wealthy relying on those markets for their purchases.

    Furthermore, no one is ignoring the fact that many purchases will shift to an aftermarket; in fact, that is one of FairTax’s selling points. Possible changes in consumption patterns are forseen, and if you read the FairTax book, they are discussed. This is all rolled up into the FairTax rate. Lastly, the FairTax will greatly increase compliance, which is not something that even a flat income tax could do. When the IRS could audit every FairTax tax-payer (business) every year with a third of the man-power they have now, the incentive for dodging taxes becomes incredibly low.

  • dvdmsr

    I just don’t think it’s generally wise to address their needs by muddling up the tax code. If lower class individuals and families (like the one I picked) need more help, as most do, I prefer to do it in other ways, rather than through tax relief.

    I don’t assume that wealthy people will send off (order?) overseas to get what they want, but they( more so than lower income groups have the means to go themselves to visit and live and consume across the border where new purchases will cost 23% less.

    Places like Canada and Mexico will be even accessible for lower income consumers. The Fair-Tax will be a boom for their economies. My parents retired to Yuma from Michigan for the climate; but had the Fair-Tax been in existence then, they would have retired to Mexico. Don’t tell me that that won’t become a growing trend amongst retirees on a fixed (prebate supplemented) income under the Fair-tax.

    Lots of well off people already have second homes overseas, it’s not hard to imagine that they will be spending more of their time and money there under the Fair-Tax, and that others won’t also adopt that lifestyle.

    It’s only human nature and the American way to seek out such deals. Anyone living on the border in Texas paying both the Texas and the national sales taxes would be a fool not to buy a little weekend place across the border in Mexico.

    Hey, maybe that’s the plan all along – the Fair-Tax is actually a covert scheme to encourage reverse immigration – genius!

  • Craigpennsylvania

    One thing about both taxes is true: The number of people who refuse to support one because of a personal insistance on the other is going to help ensure that the current tax code remains in place.

  • dvdmsr

    the above comment was in reply to nick2253

  • lastgopinillinois

    is going to pay for everything when in the current system the govt brings in 12.4 % just for social security.
    Of course the only people currently paying that are the ones who are actually employed.
    So you are saying that if you can collect 12% from the other 48% of Americans who are currently paying NO taxes, it will be enough to run the govt ???

  • Craigpennsylvania

    Instead of looking at the exact percentage, let’s look at the current system, then the idea that dvdmsr put forth. Let’s also say 20 percent is the “right” number.

    Currently, besides the complex set of deductions, here is a list of various taxes the “married filing jointly” individual pays:

    FICA/Medicare: 15.3 % up to $106,000

    Medicare: 2.9 % unlimited

    Income tax:
    10%: $0-$17,400
    15%: $17,400 – $70,700
    25% :$70,700 ? $142,700
    28%: $142,700 ? $217,450
    33%: $217,450 ? $388,350
    35%: Over $388,350

    Short term cap gains: ordinary income

    Long term cap gains: 15%

    Qualified Dividends: 15%

    Municipal Bonds: 0%

    This current system is, as most on RS understand, a mess.

    The “right number” may not be 12. Maybe it’s 15, or 20.

    Maybe we even need to do something like Tim Pawlenty suggested: 10 percent up to $100,000 and 25% above that.

    The system needs to be one that encourages people to do better instead of the current system that places so much on finding deductions.

  • dvdmsr

    According to analysis reported by the Washington Times, (*) the amount of revenue that the 9-9-9 plan can generate (based on current economic numbers) is $1,768 trillion, but with the growth that is expected to result from this tax plan, it is estimated that revenue would rise to $2,170 trillion which is more than the revenue currently raised of $2.16 trillion

    Here the numbers from the article:
    A flat income tax of 9 percent ? brings about $1.12 trillion.
    Corporate taxes at 9 percent ? brings about $270 billion.
    A national 9 percent sales tax ? brings about $378 billion.

    =$1,768 trillion in total revenue

    After anticipated growth 9-9-9 brings in $2.170 trillion in total revenue:

    A flat income tax of 9 percent ? brings about $1.4 trillion
    Corporate taxes at 9 percent ? brings about $321 billion
    A national 9 percent sales tax ? brings about $450billion

    Using the same economic numbers as in the Washington Times Analysis you can estimate the amount of that could be raise by Just One-Tax by simply making the percentage for 9-9-9 for the flat tax and the corporate tax 12% and not calculating a sales tax.

    (1.12 trillion/.09)*.12=1.493 trillion – from individual income
    (270 billion/.09)*.12=360 billion – from corporate income

    A flat income tax on individual and corporate income will bring in about $1.853 trillion in total revenue.

    After anticipated growth a flat income tax on individual and corporate income will bring in about $2.294 trillion in total revenue after anticipated growth:

    (1.4 trillion/.09)*.12=1.866 trillion- from individual income
    (321 billion/.09)*.12=428 billion – from corporate income

    (*) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/25/curl-cains-9-9-9-tax-plan-is-fairer-share/#.ToIaERh0iqE.facebook