Ramos and Compean are out of prison


It'll do

Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, convicted for a non-fatal shooting and associated coverup in 2005 relating to stopping a drug-smuggling border crossing, are now out of prison. They had been sentenced to 11 and 12 years (respectively) of federal prison, and President Bush commuted their sentences in one of his last official acts as President.

They are scheduled to end their sentences March 20, but they will be serving out the remainder of their sentences under home confinement which I’m sure their families are overjoyed about. There has been a great deal of controversy at RedState — and everywhere else in America and Mexico — as to what did or would have constituted justice in this case. Today I am just pointing out that they are home and among loved ones. Their sentence commutation will not remove the felonies from their record, and they’ll never be able to work in law enforcement again.

To these men and their families I offer congratulations, if that is the right word. I wish you all the very best future.


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Good News - nt

Caleb Howe (Diary) Tuesday, February 17th at 7:24PM EST (link)

nt

Caleb Howe (formerly known as absentee)

 

This is what the families wanted

rabidf16 (Diary) Tuesday, February 17th at 9:53PM EST (link)

I heard an interview with one of their wives on the radio. They wanted a commutation rather than a pardon, so that they can continue the appeals process to get the conviction thrown out. According to the wife being interviewed, a pardon is also an admission of guilt. You are saying “yes I did it,” and the pardoner is saying essentially, “you don’t deserve to be punished for it.” A commutation shortens the sentence but allows you to keep on appealing the case. So, eventually, if they win the appeal and get the conviction thrown out, they would be eligible to get their jobs back (if they wanted). A pardon also eliminates the ability to appeal.
Great news though.

Push it up!

Perhaps justice will prevail, in the long run. nt

olsmithie (Diary) Tuesday, February 17th at 10:11PM EST (link)
 

nice

ekevlar11 (Diary) Tuesday, February 17th at 10:11PM EST (link)

Great news.

Erik

 

Sutton was right**

UpLateAgain (Diary) Tuesday, February 17th at 10:35PM EST (link)

After 25 years in law enforcement, and involvement in any number of critical incidents, I can tell you one thing with utter confidence: If one of my fellow officers was ever in contact with an armed suspect, or pursuing an armed suspect, and I was responding as a cover unit, and they failed to announce to dispatch and to incoming cover units that the suspect was armed, we’d be going behind the shed for some meaningful dialogue that the remiss cop would never forget at the first opportunity.

These were two veteran cops who both failed to make any kind of notice of the suspect’s armed status during the incident. That wasn’t accidental.

They then failed to report having used deadly force. That wasn’t accidental.

They never advised anyone about the suspect being armed until a month later when they were brought up on charges. Then they suddenly remembered that he had been armed and they had just overlooked reporting it at the time. Why? Because, in fact, he wasn’t armed when they both shot at him and they both knew it.

The both used deadly force…. about the most “critical” thing a cop has the potential to do, and which the vast majority of police never actually at any time in their entire careers, and they both failed to notice it during or after the event until they were accused.

The fact that is that in the use of deadly force they didn’t follow procedure during the incident, nor did they follow procedure after the incident. These things are drilled and drilled and drilled into cops on minimally an annual basis, and all cops are extremely aware of the consequences for not doing so. You don’t use deadly force and not report it without risking really severe consequences. For two ten-year veteran cops to to make this “mistake” is a ridiculous notion. For two veteran cops to not notice it to dispatch or other cops during the event is also ludicrous. You don’t even think about it. When your adrenaline is flowing like it is in that kind of incident, you revert to your training. You don’t even think about the information you are putting out on the radio. You do it by rote. And seconds after it’s over you think heavily about whether or not you covered everything on the air that you needed to, both so you are not criticized professionally and so you are not charged with negligence, or criminal activity. As an individual cop you are very much “in the moment”, and the idea that these guys both just “screwed up” is be beyond ludicrous. In other words, there was clear collusion to cover up a crime, and cop who was ever actually in a critical incident will think back to it and realize I am entirely 100% right. With the adrenaline rush you get tunnel vision and you ability to focus becomes greatly enhanced. I remember minute details of critical incidents even twenty years after they happened. There is no way they could overlook the things they overlooked by accident.

This wasn’t a “mistake”, it was a crime, and the two veteran cops clearly conspired to commit it. Anybody who renders these guys any good will is slapping all the actually honest cops out there squarely in the face.

People keep bringing up the fact that the guy who was shot was a real dirt bag. That in no way mitigates what they did. They just figured because he was a drug runner, they wouldn’t get caught. If they had killed him, I have no doubt that nobody would have ever known anything about it, and the drugs he was bringing would have probably disappeared as well.

My sympathies are with Johnny Sutton, who has been pilloried in the media for “persecuting two cops just trying to do their job”, when in fact he prosecuted a couple of dirt bags who committed crime under color of authority. I have way too much love and respect for the badge and uniform to tolerate anyone using them as a prop for committing crime.

Most of you reading this will have a visceral reaction to what I’m saying, thinking that these are good public servants that the government has abused. Take a real look. Read the trial transcripts. See what is it is they actually did, and what they failed to do. If you’re not in the profession, ask a cop what the standards of training and responsibility for reporting are (I don’t care where you are in the US, they are going to be about the same in this area). You will reach the same conclusions I have.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

No visceral reaction to your comment...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, February 17th at 10:54PM EST (link)

If what you say is true and I have no reason to doubt, I can not help but to agree with you on this one; however, due to my lack of knowledge on this case I can not say otherwise. I am probably like most others I only had a reaction on this matter to think that these two might have got an unfair deal. That being said, I had no doubt that something wrong occured in this case and the two are guilty of something, whether it is improper following of procedure or the violation of statutory requirements they deserved some punishment. Anyway, I probably just stepped in to the line of fire w/ you

 

here is a blog you need to check out

rgirlinadcity Tuesday, February 17th at 11:23PM EST (link)

before you condemn these two and give your sympathies to Mr. Sutton.
http://xrl.in/1lm1

“No man is worth his salt who is not ready at all times to risk his well-being, to risk his body, to risk his life, in a great cause.” -Theodore Roosevelt

Did So!

papalee Wednesday, February 18th at 12:21AM EST (link)

I first got interested in this case when I heard a talk radio host catch Sutton in a lie on his program.

I am sorry but I will never accept that Mexican Drug Smugglers words should be accepted as truthful in an American court.

 
 

Sutton can go suck it

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 12:28AM EST (link)

The extra 10 years of federal time tacked on by adding on the “use of a weapon in the commission of a felony” — a clause NEVER intended to prosecute cops with, but to raise the stakes for drug-and-violence type criminals – for that Sutton can GFH.

It was a case of grandstanding and vindictive prosecution, and this single case did as much to stifle borer management efforts as any single act ever has

A good bit of your speculation as to the mindset of Ramos and Compean is just that – speculation. And bunk, IMO.

Kill the Terrorists
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Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

And another thing - bad form

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 12:40AM EST (link)

This is a “welcome home from prison” blog. I took great pains to not bring up the merits of the case.

If you want to run with the “these guys are bad, Sutton is good” theme, why don’t you just write your own diary, instead of urinating on mine.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Appears someone is a little perturbed -nt

DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 12:43AM EST (link)

I should have...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 12:43AM EST (link)

ended that with a little smiley face thingy :)

ya think? -nt

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 12:44AM EST (link)

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 
 

Sorry I offended you

UpLateAgain (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 11:18AM EST (link)

But I’ve been to too many police funerals to just stand by and watch these clowns receive accolades.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

so? I've been to cop funerals too

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 3:54PM EST (link)

On 2 levels your missive is offensive. First, on a diary whose stated and implied purpose extended NO FURTHER than ‘glad you are home’ to a pair of convicted felons and their families, it is EXCEEDINGLY bad form to respond with a comment that consists of the prosecution’s brief.

Leave crap alone, and let people celebrate. Like I said, write your own stinking diary if you want to discuss the merits.

Second, your grasp of the merits seems to consist of ‘I believe everything the prosecution’s witnesses said, and nothing of the defense’s witnesses said’. But you got the temerity to lecture everybody else.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 
 

Oh, and another thing

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 11:15AM EST (link)

I have an in-law who is Border Patrol in NM. I have multiple cop friends. I have perused at length not only the trial transcripts (not many people read the whole thing) but the text and rulings on a host of pre-trial motions, etc, etc, etc.

Amongst us (me, cops, BP in-law), we emphatically do NOT ‘reach the same conclusions [you] have.’ You have made an nice, selective recitation that represents the prosecution’s case, not the truth.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 

Welcome Home Ramos and Compean

LoneStarLizard (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 1:05AM EST (link)

Glad that these guys are back home with their families, where they belong.

 

UpLateAgain- I'm sorry for you

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 9:48AM EST (link)

You say you have based your opinins on your reading of the court transcript. To my knowledge, the entire court transcript has never been released, and what has was heavily redacted. Going by what you did read, you are saying that you believe a US bought and paid for drug runner over the 2 border patrol agents. Since the case was decided against Ramos and Compean, some of the jurors said if they knew the truth that the drug runner had been caught and arrested for running drugs again, while under US protection, they would not have found the agents guilty. If you kept up with the case over the 2 years, and read everything, I don’t think you would be saying Sutton was right. The agents are still going forward with their appeals to clear their names. I do believe much much more will come out, and the truth will be told, and it will not be pretty for all those that have been complicit in a cover up that goes way beyond any cover ups the agents are being accused of. I’m sorry for you that you have choosen to bury your head in the sand.

If you care to read the transcripts:

UpLateAgain (Diary) Thursday, February 19th at 5:10PM EST (link)

They can be downloaded in pdf format here:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/index.html

It will take you a long time to get through them.

People keep saying I believe the AH over Ramos and Compeon. I don’t. I couldn’t care less what Aldrette -Davilla testified to. I believe they are guilty because of what THEY said they did and didn’t do by their own testimony. Not because of the AH’s testimony. And because I’ve been in that situation, where I had to make split-second use of deadly force decisions, and know what it is like , and what you think and do and why. And because I have spent a LOT of time investigating crime and evaluating testimony, and a lot of time as a police supervisor evaluating police performance.

In a nutshell, and by their own testimony and the testimony of another Border Patrol agent, Arturo Vasquez: While the event was on-going, they communicated ONLY with each other, never notifying Dispatch of the suspect being armed or of their use of deadly force, or for that matter, any of the other routine descriptors normally put out during a pursuit.. They did not warn other BP agents coming into the area about an armed (and still outstanding) suspect. Once Aldrette was gone, they picked up and chucked their shell casings. They later asked Vasquez to go back into the area and scour it for the shell casings they hadn’t been able to find and get rid of them. They filed fallacious police reports that did not mention using deadly force, or describe the suspect as having been armed. They did not notify any supervisors of having discharged their weapons. They clearly colluded to do all these things, as the idea that they both just accidentally overlooked them all is beyond ludicrous.They only “remembered” the threat to themselves a month later when they were charged. GIVE ME A BREAK!

I’m not alone. The BP investigators, BP supervisors and BP commanders involved, the Grand Jury, and the US Attorney all thought they were guilty. The trial jury thought they were guilty. Going back later and getting two jurors to say they would have found differently if they had known Aldrette-Davilla was a really, really, really, bad guy has NOTHING to do with what they clearly did.

And by the way, I completely agree that Scooter Libby should not have been prosecuted, and should have been pardoned, and that Sutton should never have prosecuted Gilmer Hernandez.

e Pluribus Unum… I apologize for stepping on your post. I’m out of here.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

So, another 6 paragraphs of stepping on my diary

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, March 16th at 9:51AM EST (link)

and then, “apologizing” for stepping on my diary? Does the meaning of “this is a welcome home from prison piece” just totally escape you? You are a low-class crud. This is like coming to a wedding that you are invited to, and at the reception reciting all the bride’s past sexual history.

There’s a time to just STFU, and this was it for you. But NOOOOOOO, you just *had* to add *another* 6 paragraphs of piling on.

You are on my “dead to me” list. Because I like Democrats better than I like you.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 
 

I'm glad they're home

itrytobenice (Diary) Wednesday, February 18th at 10:15AM EST (link)

And I wish Scooter had been pardoned.

Those two acts would have helped bring a fuller justice to two politicized cases.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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