Leftism is not the opposite of conservatism


It's a dark and light thing

Is darkness the opposite of light?

In a conversational and practical sense, you could answer yes. You can live your life treating these as opposites and you would function just fine. Yet you would be factually, scientifically wrong.

Darkness is the absence of light. You may think that’s a ‘distinction without a difference’. Walk with me and I’ll show you otherwise, and why the distinction is at the very heart of what makes our conservative struggle so epic, so grand in both scale and importance; a struggle for all time.

The Dark Sucker

You know about the Dark Sucker Theory, right? It’s a humorously offered proposition that light bulbs don’t actually emit light: instead, they suck the darkness out of the immediate area (thus, ‘dark suckers’). Others have expanded it into a more robust, and still more hilarious, treatment of the physics of darkness and light (for example, instead of photons, there are ‘darkons’ whose paths bend in response to gravity).

The dark sucker hypothesis is an application of the the Limbaugh-patented device of illustrating absurdity with absurdity to point out that darkness is not the opposite of light; it is the absence of light.

Conservatism is the anti-ideology

Political Conservatism is not an ideology, nor is it properly the opposite of leftism, marxism, statism, socialism, fascism, communism, or any other insipid, failed ism.

Conservatism is not much more than the principle that government should jealously protect the citizens from itself, and from each other. Ideologies, as the first order of business, implicitly sacrifice the freedom so jealously guarded by conservatism. They seek to define, construct, and design a government-managed system based on some beliefs or notions, imposed more often than not for the supposed good of the citizens subjects.

How we more specifically define conservatism is subject to some debate. Even the great Russell Kirk struggled with a compact definition, leading him to his Ten Conservative Principles that were his best shot.

The attitude we call conservatism is sustained by a body of sentiments, rather than by a system of ideological dogmata. It is almost true that a conservative may be defined as a person who thinks himself such. The conservative movement or body of opinion can accommodate a considerable diversity of views on a good many subjects, there being no Test Act or Thirty-Nine Articles of the conservative creed.
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It is not possible to draw up a neat catalogue of conservatives’ convictions; nevertheless, I offer you, summarily, ten general principles; it seems safe to say that most conservatives would subscribe to most of these maxims.

At an even lower level, it boils down to this, really. Conservatism is the style of governance of a nation that supports the imposition of enough order, and no more, to secure the basic rights and the maximum sustainable liberty of individuals. Facing outward, it supports a foreign policy robust enough, and no more, to secure the internal system.

Flowing from that I believe comes the core thoughts of of Kirk’s Ten (my paraphrase).
–There are absolute right and wrongs, that dictate both basic rights and basic duties.
–Man’s ability to govern without ruling is less than assured.
–Freedom is paramount.
–Untested new is not often better than established old.

Take away conservatism, what do you get?

All these isms — leftism, marxism, statism, socialism, fascism, communism, fascism, or just plain old-fashioned totalitarian dictatorship — are just various manifestations of the absence of conservative principles. Most of these are built on some misguided notion that if the state can control enough factors of human civilized life, it can bring about a superior reality. Even well-meaning systems are horribly flawed, and make the fatally stupid assumption that the people in power will guide their actions for the best of their citizens subjects.

Conservative principles are uprightness and liberty with order. In the absence of conservative principles, the guaranteed result is powerlust, tyranny, human slavery, oppression. In whatever organized or disorganized form it takes, and whatever motives might have inspired it, the end — the inevitable, inescapable end — is unbridled power, license, and excess for the rulers, and poverty and oppression for everybody else.

Don’t believe it?

Let’s play the absence-of-Kirk game

Let’s take away all ten Russell Kirk principles, and see what it leaves us:

1. No enduring moral order.
With no intrinsic right and wrong, then there can be no expectation that people with their hands on the levers of governmental power will act with honesty or integrity, or with the needs of their constituents in mind. Ah, who cares!

2. No adherence to custom, convention, and continuity.
Old-school is just old-fashioned. There is no value in things being done the way they were before. New ideas are cool.

3. No principle of prescription.
There *is* no wisdom of the ages. Family is unimportant. The Constitution should be “living” because those people could not anticipate the modern world. Schools, not family, should be the source of a child’s values.

4. No principle of prudence.
I have a brand new idea! And I think we should totally remake the fabric of society to conform to my new idea. I haven’t really thought about unintended consequences, but hey, I’m smart and popular, so I must be right.

5. No principle of variety.
We must impose equality! It’s unfair that some people are better at what they do, work harder, went through a grueling training process, made sacrifices. Everyone should make the same amount of money, there should be no punishment for bad investment or bad decisions, no child should be left behind, and everybody should have universal health care, paid for by those greedy, cheating rich!

6. No principle of imperfectability.
We really should be more lenient on criminals. They’re misunderstood, we should focus on rehabilitation, they had a rough childhood.

7. Freedom and property are not closely linked.
You can be free, even if we confiscate most of your money through taxes. We can impose all manner of ridiculous regulation on businesses and individuals without seriously infringing on your liberty.

8. Voluntary community is not required, involuntary collectivism is acceptable.
The government can regulate, at its discretion, what groups you can and cannot belong to, what kind of neighborhood you can live in. Further, we can even force you into communities, and dictate exactly what social and professional relationships you must have.

9. No need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.
People who hold power for long periods of time are never corrupted (unless they’re Republicans, of course). There are no needs for safeguards like the threat of impeachment, Senate confirmation hearings, judicial review, veto power, veto override, checks and balances, and separation of powers.

10. Permanence and change need not be recognized and reconciled.
Just forge on! Change!

The absence of conservatism. Looks pretty fun, doesn’t it?

Why they call it conservative

Outside of politics,Merriam-Webster defines conservative as:

a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional
b : marked by moderation or caution
c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners

It’s not so hard to see how the term came to be embraced. It’s not an exact match, to be sure. Conservatism is cautious about change, but not overly so. It respects the wisdom of tradition. While the normal definition fails to account for the central theme of conservatism it’s not a far stretch to say that conservatives seek to “conserve” the core freedoms, the fundamental rights, among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is not the perfect word, perhaps, but it’ll do.

And it is the perfect political philosophy.



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A most excellent treatise on conservatism at it's core. nt

Steph C (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 10:00PM EST (link)

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Great diary EPU. "Respects the wisdom of tradition."

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 10:05PM EST (link)

wonderful line. It goes so well with the “untested new is not often better than established old.” Your explanation of minimal intrusion of government is excellent. Essentially I took it as government essentially doing what is required (as you defined), nothing more, nothing less.

Another thought comes to mind about people who are leftists vs conservatives; Janis said somewhere on another thread, that the left does “not have joy.” Somehow that fits also, for those that go that route, they seem to have an absence of joy.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills

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A lefty confided in me that he sleeps in his Underoos,

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 10:34PM EST (link)

dreaming of defeating an evil arch-villian such as “The Man”*, in hopes of one day earning his proper status as a Super Friend.

*While common knowledge on the Left, many conservatives are surprised to learn that the evil of “The Man” far outsurpasses that of mere ordinary lethal leaders such as Mao Zedong.

6eorge, what's the super-power of your lefty friend?

Xasteius (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 10:41PM EST (link)

Fact-checking SNL?

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

X-Ray vision that allows him to see the sinister scheming

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 11:02PM EST (link)

of the VRWC where mere mortals would see only people pursuing their own interests.

For example, I like my health care as it is, and so I am opposed to HR 3200, HR 1776, et. al. With his X-Ray powers, however, the lefty can see the racism in me.

 
 
 

They have no joy as we would recognize it, only

janis (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 9:04AM EST (link)

the satisfaction that they feel when they are working to destroy someone or something. For us, we are never more joyful than when we are working to uplift someone, or to build something good that will benefit not only ourselves, but everyone else.

Hence our natural drive towards freedom for ourselves and others. And the left’s natural drive towards enslavement of all others in tyranny. Whether it be the tyranny of actual chains or the tyranny of conformity to a rigid and joyless ideology, it’s what they want, it’s ALL they want.

For us, but not for them. Yet we would have freedom for all, even them.

Are you kidding me?

dantes (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 10:58AM EST (link)

Liberals are incapable of “joy”, only the “satisfaction that they feel when they are working to destroy someone”.

If you truly have a natural drive towards freedom that is the opposite of enslaving others in the tyranny of a joyless ideology, then you would be pro gay-marriage, right?

Are you kidding ME?

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 11:44AM EST (link)

Non sequitur : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said.

“If your eyes are green, then surely you must love baseball.”

That’s about how much sense your comment made.

Now get this. I am not in the mood to have my column thread-jacked today. Buzz off, or make some sort of lucid point.

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I didn't say libs were incapable of joy. I'm sure

janis (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 11:53AM EST (link)

they love their newborn babies, if they allow them to be born that is. And I’m sure they love their parents, if they allow them to die when God sees fit to call them home instead of pulling the plug/pulling the feeding tube/ denying them life-saving surgery because it’s just cheaper to let them expire.

As for your reflexively knee-jerk threadjacking, folks get banned for that sort of thing.

 
 
 
 

There is no doubt that anything besides Conservatism is DARKNESS!...nt

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, October 26th at 10:08PM EST (link)

I love the treatment, but...

merryj1 Tuesday, October 27th at 1:35AM EST (link)

… like the humorous “dark suckers,” I can see the falacy. Conservatism and liberalism in the political sense are inextricably linked to the time and location of a given political system. A conservative in Moscow, for example, would share postions with a liberal in California or New York, and vice versa.

The Founders were liberals, and the Colonies became an independent Republic based on deeply-felt principles held by18th century liberals. That 21st century conservatives hold many or most of those same principles is not a contradiction, it is simply the transient nature of the political “labels” of radical/far left, liberal/left, moderate/center, conservative/right and reactionary/far right

Political philosophies are a completely different matter: Socialism, communism, fascism, etc., are the same sets of beliefs, whether espoused (or condemned) in English, Russian, German or Czech.

But, like I said, I love the treatment. Good read!

I'm not sure I get your full meaning

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 2:36AM EST (link)

IMO, the only fallacies regard labels, not the argument. I personally avoid ever using the word ‘liberal’ for the reason you bring up (hence ‘leftism’, my catch-all term for that which fails to be conservatism).

I propose that the conservative principles taught by Burke and Kirk (some other folks too) are universal and ageless. The Founders might have called themselves liberals (for the most part), because the word then meant mostly opposite to what it does now. But if you take a magic time machine and bring John Adams and James Madison to 2009, they would be textbook conservatives. Hamilton and Jefferson? Hmmmmm, not as much.

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We're agreed, but I stand pat

merryj1 Tuesday, October 27th at 4:31AM EST (link)

Yes, the labels “mean something,” but exactly what they mean depends on where one is, and when. That was my full meaning. And, yes, the only fallacies (in your great treatment) regard labels. However, in the political-label sense, the terms “left(ism)” and “liberal” are synonomous, as are “right(ism)” and “conservative.” But they are fluid terms, and therefore not precisely definitive.

Of course you’re right, that John Adams and James Madison would be textbook conservatives if a magic time machine brought them back in 2009, assuming it brought them back to the U.S. If it dropped them off in Kabul, they would be radicals, and if Prague, liberals.

I wholeheartedly agree that the bedrock principles taught by Burke and Kirk are universal and ageless, and are the same principles held by conservatives in the here and now; but they are not “conservative principles” per se.

Fellow travelers

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 10:53AM EST (link)

Thanks, merryj1. I don’t always insist that everybody agree with every point of mine — only sometimes :) — so I just wanted to know what you were really saying.

True true on the current labels and the folly of pinning down any label for permanent use. I have to use “conservative principles” (in the here and now) because I don’t know what else I would call them that would communicate.

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Oh, that's easy...

merryj1 Tuesday, October 27th at 2:08PM EST (link)

Just call them “rational and right-thinking people.” :)

 
 
 
 

Modern day conservativism and the "classical liberalism" of the founders

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 10:54AM EST (link)

are far closer than the classical liberalism of the founders and anything else that exists on the current political landscape.

What you say is true with respect to the word “liberal” which today in Europe still refers to classical liberalism (such as the party in Germany sharing party with Merkel). Only in the US is the term conservative associated with low taxes andf free trade. This is a linquistic issue more than a political issue. Thus, the “transient nature” you speak of is overstated.Only in the the US do leftists try to claim the mantle of classical liberalism, which they assert because they want to stake a claim to the Founding Fathers.

People push for directional change, and generally speaking aren’t able to move the ball all that far in the course of a lifetime. This does not mean if I moved to Moscow that I would be different, I would just be called a different name and have more modest goals.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

You pointed out why labels are so troublesome

Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 12:42PM EST (link)

Conservative is adherence to the tradition that exists right now. That means that conservatives in 1776 wanted to stay with the King. They were Royalists. Yet there were other conservatives (the so called liberals) who valued conserving other values in 1776, the liberties of free Englishmen that were won by the people in the Glorious Revolution a hundred years before. Those “liberals”, who treasured the freedoms of life, liberty, property and all the rest, were conservatives as well, because they conserved liberty that was already theirs by right.

So often the choice is between conserving one thing and conserving another. Progressives nowadays want to preserve the “right” to kill unborn children. They want to preserve the leftist domination of media, the law, hollywood, education, government bureaus, civil rights organizations, and the environmental conservation movement. But they want to progress away from human freedom, to disallow men from escaping the grasp of government. They want to progress away from the free market, from individual responsibilities, and from constant legal punishments to a system where every decision is based on affinity with progressives, who are now ‘the haves.’

That’s why this is so important
>>2. No adherence to custom, convention, and continuity.
Old-school is just old-fashioned. There is no value in things being done the way they were before. New ideas are cool. <<

When we throw out customs and continuity then people have no guidance in how to act. The law is a mutual self defense pact between people who each have the unalienable right of self-defense. It is supposed to act as a guide for right action, so that by following the law you can avoid violating others’ rights. But when the law is perverted it violates everyone’s rights. People naturally want to do things in ways that do not automatically attract obstruction from the law. But if there is no customary way of doing things, no continuity from one day to the next, then the law becomes less than useless for its intended purpose, and the only choice left is whether to use force or build an affinity with a gangster or strongman who uses force. If the law is not a compact of mutual protection between all free men, but a tool of oppression used by the affinity group in charge to crush everyone else, then it invites people to set their own force against oppression. In short, it invites armed rebellion.

Is that the change we can believe in? Or is that something else entirely, the culmination of the dreams of revolutionaries in every coffee shop, faculty lounge, and anarchist bookstore in this country?

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton

Law

redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 9:56PM EST (link)

Prescribes right action for individuals and circumstance in such a way that the arbitrariness of justice is minimized. How this is done is by concentrating the force of law in such a way that it will be applicable in general to all times, people and circumstances.

If prescribed in general enough terms, outcomes are predictable and people will be able to predict what their best course of action will be at any given time.

When laws are contorted into all kinds of specificity and riddled with exceptions, the purpose of the law (guiding right behavior and a civil society) is not served.

Anyway, IIRC something I read recently by Burke. The most natural moral laws in the world are conservative at their core. Think: 10 commandments and the Bill of Rights and then contemplate the travesties wreaked in our congress.

I’ve obviously not read deeply on natural law, so forgive my muddleheadedness.


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Exactly!

merryj1 Wednesday, October 28th at 5:04AM EST (link)

It is a linguistic issue, not a political one.

 
 
 

Liberal != Leftist

VinceP1974 (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 4:44AM EST (link)

American Conservatives are the liberals of today. The Classical Liberals of an ancient age.

I think there is a common international definition that one can put on Leftism… but Conservatism… I think it’s particular to its country and culture… *what* is being Conserved isn’t the same thing around the world.

That the Left are Power-Mad perpetually enraged emotionally-driven principle-less Change-mongers who see nothing but injustice and inadequacy all around them is a fact that is pretty much the same everywhere.

I can’t stand the misuse of the word Liberal in today’s political speech.. it’s such a misnomer.

Ideological Cowards

VinceP1974 (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 4:52AM EST (link)

One of the reasons I think the Left clings onto the Libereal label is so they could wrap themselves into whatever good Libereal once stood for.

But they use it only for cover. The Leftist is always trying to present himself and his “ideas” as something that is so above reproach..and those things in the past that were wrong.. they put a lot of energy into disowning and actually getting peopel to think they never had any part of .

Like how Italian Fascism was inspired by American Progressives.. or how all the Collectivism, including the murderous ones.. are all Leftist -isms.

How it was the Democrats who were the racists and the advocate of slavery and then denial of rights to blacks and then segregation and now welfare slavery.

The KKK was basically the Al Aqsa Brigades of the democrat party.

They convinced themselves that it wasnt a Leftist who killed JFK and it wasn’t a Islamic Terrorist who killed RFK

It’s political mental illness

I agree totally, which is why

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 10:58AM EST (link)

I refuse to apply the term “liberal” to those people. I simply won’t play along. They’re always looking for a new term which suggests they are the political party/movement that “cares about the regular guy”. They try “progressive”, “liberal”, “workers party”, all just linesThe Commies have so comically mis-used that ploy that “Peoples Republic of” is a byword for Commie.

In Texas everybody knows what we mean when we call our capital city the “Peoples Republic of Austin”.

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great column epu, and it reminds of my favorite quote by William F Buckley: After 5000 years

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 12:24PM EST (link)

conservatives have reached some conclusions!

One of the things I love about conservatism is that those conclusions are so logical and based on reason and experience, mush like one would hope an ideology would be.

Liberal thought is based on a wish that Man can be his own God and change the rules of human nature.

We take the world as it is and maximize human possibilities for good thru ordered liberty.

I think the best way to sell conservative thought and policies, politically is to show how our policies work. The task is made easier when people experience failed liberal policies, as they are now.

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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

Thanks Gamecock

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 1:48PM EST (link)

Yes, totally agree. I think we forget that we can actually campaign and win on the pragmatic nature of conservative principles. That ‘trust but verify’ , that ‘checks and balances’, ‘peace through strength’.

We allow the lefties to define us and don’t stop and correct them before answering the questions. Liz Cheney is the best I ever saw at just REJECTING the pre-loaded questions.

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Well, ok, but...

merryj1 Tuesday, October 27th at 11:14AM EST (link)

…ALL generalizations are worthless. Many if not most decent, well-balanced people fall pretty close to the middle of the road (the most reasonable, of course, a bit right of center). What tends to happen at both extremes, an imbalance, is some odd desire to control others’ behavior.

I dont understand your point about extremes.

Alberta (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 12:04PM EST (link)

The extremes, in a very literal sense, are between Tyranny and Freedom. Which, to my mind, would make extremism in the cause of liberty no vice (Dontcha all just love Ms Rand? I do).

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

Freedom doesn't fit on the Left-Right axis

Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 12:56PM EST (link)

merryj1 is still buying into the old Stalinist libel that Fascism and Royalism are far right along with Libertarianism while Communism is far left. Royalism, Fascism, Socialism, and Communism are all forms of tyranny by the small faction in power over the mass of men and women whose freedoms including property rights have been stolen or regulated away.

The traditional Left-Right axis with Commies on the left and Royalists on the right along with Fascists doesn’t have any spot on it for freedom. Neither end is free. The middle isn’t free either. This axis is useless and should be thrown back in the faces of the dolts who use it to libel conservatives by saying that both the far left communists and the “far right” royalists have a lot more in common with ever encroaching Progressive regulations that will control every minute of every day than with those who want men and women to be free to live their own lives, do what they will, keep the product of their own labor, and who think that “Don’t Tread on Me” is a fine slogan and standard.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton

And you believe that because?

merryj1 Tuesday, October 27th at 11:16PM EST (link)

Ah, L.J. “Beaglescout,”

Tsk, tsk. Projective thinking is what extremists do (both right and left). No, I’m not buying into anything, you must’ve either misinterpreted the comments or missed an earlier entry in the continuum. I understand that all of the tyranical “isms” are on the same side of the R-L scale regardless of the time and location of that scale; it’s the labels that are fluid, not the pathologies.

To clarify what I mean by reactionism (being extreme on the political right) with a relevant example, the pro-life/abortion debate: We on the pro-life side lost the Roe v Wade-debate, not because we were wrong or in a true minority but, partially at least, because the loudest, most consistent shouting on our side was from those determined to include an absolute ban on all forms of artificial birth control into the anti-abortion mix (come to think of it, maybe it was radical activists deliberately trying to discredit pro-lifers; I jest, but the point is made).

With the possible exception (and I’m not even close to convinced) of contraceptives that include spermicide, banning birth control is not about preserving life, it’s about controlling others’ behavior. There is a distinction in that the desire to control (in this and similar instances) is on an individual, personal level and not accompanied by the power to control. Should that happen, it would leapfrog the governing ideology over to the opposite side of the scale and into one of the statist groups.

Touche, but not projecting, misreading or assuming

Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 8:39AM EST (link)

Misreading is always too bad and you know what assuming does. Frankly, I wasn’t sure you were on my side from what you wrote on this post, and the maryjane in your name leads me to suspicion.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton

We're on the same page...

merryj1 Wednesday, October 28th at 10:24AM EST (link)

It’s just that the linguistic thing with these labels (Right=conservative, Left=liberal) has been a bugbear with me since the Clinton bunch muddled the language with the “radical right” oxymoron talking points, and our side took a long-running beating because no one called them out.

PS: It’s “MerryJ” (my parents weren’t being cutesy, they tagged me with someone’s surname) and the “J” is not “Jane.” But what’s suspicious about “maryjane?”

 
 
 
 

In this case...

merryj1 Tuesday, October 27th at 2:44PM EST (link)

…I was referring to extreme left and extreme right in the political sense (radical and reactionary). It was a carry-over from a previous comment of mine that someone had replied to, and my “Well ok, but…” comment was a reply to that response. A few other comments, meanwhile, were posted between.

Sorry if I seemed to be a little confused about what planet I’m on :)

That “extremism in pursuit of liberty is no vice, and (something something I can’t recall) is no virtue” quote: I didn’t realize it was from Rand, I remember Goldwater saying it, but I didn’t realize he was quoting. He got a lot of static for it (but he got static for everything).

 
 
 

So, how about using Mark Levin's title for them...

TobyToons (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 11:35AM EST (link)

Statist? The American left (the ones calling themselves Liberal nowadays) are Statists – the state is the answer to every problem.

“There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people.” -Adam Smith

 

Amen EPU, it goes hand in hand with what I've been talking about lately

BlackConservative (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 1:04PM EST (link)

It’s not just about standing athwart history yelling Stop, it’s about conserving the traditions and means of capital that allowed us to get here in the first place. When liberals call themselves “progessive”, it implies that they are making progress…indeed they are. They are making progress in raising taxes, involving the State and destroying the Judeo-Christian way of life that has been THE key to American society.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.-Jesus Christ

5 BC !!

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 1:30PM EST (link)

destroying the Judeo-Christian way of life that has been THE key to American society

That is such a good quote! That is exactly what they hate and try to destroy.

 

They're progressing us right into statism

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 1:45PM EST (link)

and bankruptcy.

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Peole like to have a god.

itrytobenice (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 1:59PM EST (link)

For some, that god is the gov’t.

They call themselves progressive, but I’m with Toby/Levin. Let’s call them statists.

Good diary EPU.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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Preview was my friend.

itrytobenice (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 2:00PM EST (link)

Of course I meant to say ‘people’, though I suppose peole need gods too.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 
 

Superior article, EPU. I tend to avoid

redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 10:15PM EST (link)

the label of liberal and usually use leftist, and more recently I’ve really taken a shine to collectivist. Statist doesn’t roll off my tongue the same way as collectivist does. Maybe it’s all the extra syllables, I don’t know. Or the connotaions and associations.

The collective farms in the USSR, obviously.

But what does the IRS do but COLLECT.

Leftists suffer from a COLLECTIVE insanity.

Sweeping the congress clean will allow us a COLLECTIVE sigh of relief.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

Redneck_hippie, hopefully we get rid of them before we have nothing...

penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 10:30PM EST (link)

“Left.” Sorry couldn’t help myself :)

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills

Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List

Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

I never forget the latin word for sinister.

redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, October 27th at 10:40PM EST (link)

link:

http://www.trivia-library.com/b/origins-of-common-words-sinister.htm


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 
 

Awesome, EPU.

Loren Heal (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 4:58AM EST (link)

Wow.

A great concept, and carried off brilliantly.

Well done.


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

 

Principles are the diff

reelman (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 9:34AM EST (link)

The simplest and most effective way to promote conservatism is to describe yourself as believing in 3 principles that you funnel all issues thru…
1…a smaller more efficient gov-meant
2…the lowest possible taxes (lower these days)
3…traditional basic morality

Ask a liberal for their 3 principles and see the blank stares…been there.
Repeat repeat repeat repeat…do not improvise or get into side topic-changing…
Why national Repubs need to send me so many “surveys” is beyond me…principles guide you…not hit and miss opinions of others.
Just be sure you can articulate defense of those principles.

This does not apply to most iberals because they are emotions-utopia based humans that rarely can be convinced to change…so we must expose and defeat them…
they detest real debate…another trait of the modern liberal (aka secular socialist) not found in conservatism…we LOVE real fair debating…you know, the kind without talking over, smears, topic-shifting and profanity.

“Ignore what is said, watch what is done”
The problem is congress…is congress…
Secular Socialism is never the answer…
“This is where we hold them, this is where we fight”
The “reelman” in central Louisiana

reelman

Scope (Diary) Friday, October 30th at 8:23PM EST (link)

reelman- Wirh that ,where do you stand on National Security, our greatest military force on earth, and believing that htis is an important part of Conservativism?

 

reelman

Scope (Diary) Friday, October 30th at 8:23PM EST (link)

reelman- Wirh that ,where do you stand on National Security, our greatest military force on earth, and believing that htis is an important part of Conservativism?

 
 

I am not sure is you are describing modern conservatism

kyle8 (Diary) Friday, October 30th at 7:02PM EST (link)

sounds more like libertarianism or classic liberalism. Modern day conservatives sometimes fall directly into the path of being fine with big government and government control of our lives in at least some areas.

Hence some of us have our problems with modern conservatism.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

If you haven't recommended this diary you sure should....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, October 31st at 11:37PM EST (link)

It should be seen by EVERY eye that hits this site because Conservatism is indeed not the opposite of leftism it is the history of our Country! Let us FIGHT every day so that America is always the wonderful place that the world both loves & hates…heh!