We’ve had an internal conversation among the contributors about RedState headed into 2009. I’m very interested in your thoughts. Below are my thoughts, edited from an email exchange:
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We remain up front as a site that you must be pro-life to write on our front page. That gives us credibility within the movement others lack.
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Talk to most reporters, Hill staffers, etc. in D.C. and a pattern becomes clear: RedState has become one of those places that has the power to direct the conversation on side.
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We remain the only right-of-center community online that caters more to the grassroots than the inside the beltway crowd. And it is, more or less, a conversational community.
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We are the most widely read right of center blog on Capitol Hill.
With those four factors comes a position to lead and influence the conversation, the candidates, etc. So here’s where I want us to head:
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A concerted focus on politics, candidates, and campaigns as they start brewing. We do have enough room on the front page to really cover what is going on at the party level in states, look at up and coming candidates, and also target Democrats. If we can’t do it all, we should really be encouraging new diarists to write about these issues. People trust RedState to pick solid, viable candidates. We were out front on Tom Rooney in FL-22 before most others. We got behind Pete Olson in the primary. We must maintain our integrity in dealing with candidates and politicians.
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Building the media narrative against Obama and the Democrats. We have a unique position to do this. We have a number of people on the front page who are much more inclined to write about policy than day to day politics. Those with this area of interest will be needed here. We must build the case against Obama’s policies and agitate in favor of ours. I know there has been some discussion about pushing this off the front page. Let me be very clear here: we cannot encourage people to back candidates or policies if we’re not going to talk about the policies those candidates support and the policies we are in favor of. We must use the front page to motivate and activate our readers, but we must do so through education, both about the people and the policies. Take a page from Blackhedd on this: he’s got readers who email me if he hasn’t posted in a few days to make sure he’s okay. The education and explanation in his posts draw us an audience we’d otherwise not have. Once they are at RedState, they get engaged throughout the site. Same with Pejman and his overnight hits. The site would not be the site but for knowing at sunrise there will be 3 to 7 Pejman posts. And then there is a whole group of users who have improved their commenting skills at the site by watching Moe engage, poke, and needle. The education and conversation are integral points to drive enough traffic for us to accomplish point 1.
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Build the enemies list database. We must attack the personalities inside the Obama administration and the way they conduct business. We must document all the people, their connections, and their evils so that when the GOP does take back over at least one House of Congress we will have all the data for them to begin their meddlesome investigations into the Obama White House. Just as importantly, we’re going to want to track money and people like Tim Gill as they start funding state legislative races for 2010.
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Educate on Activism. We ought to have a post a week or every other week on how to file an FOIA request, how to do an open records request in a state, where local GOP meetings are taking place, etc. A calendar on the new site would be excellent to help accomplish some of these things. Posts on campaign strategy, etc. would serve us well, even if it means we have to go outside the normal list of contributors to get something cooking.
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Take point 4 and foster some independent, investigative news. We should be uncovering dirt and encouraging our readers to do so. We build traffic by reporting new information, not just pontificating. There is news to be found out there. And we need to free up our readers to explore in those areas, making sure they feel welcome even if they have only a limited interest in other things.
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Take online offline and vice-versa. This is the most important in my mind. We have got to get our readers connecting offline and reporting back online. We should provide the tools for online collaboration of offline activities. If I had to prioritize everything all of us have said we want with the coming site revision, our number one project should be this: a tool whereby we can connect our users in each state with each other. This also means we ought to encourage some offline activities among readers. At the same time, we need to work with local groups to push them toward RedState. It’s not just enough to have state by state collaboration. We need to also work toward issue by issue collaboration. Over all of this must come the idea of engaging our readers and letting there be some organic growth within RedState. We’re going to have the ability to let multiple readers co-write a single RedState blog, we might as well let them. Free up our readers to do great things through the site — let us be the hub and facilitator, then get the hell out of the way and let our readers have fun together.
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An army of activists. We’re going to have to grow our army of activists. We’ll use the email blasts. We’ll start doing SMS messaging. We’ll integrate tools to contact Congress, etc. But we also need to find our kickass technologists who know PHP and can help Neil build awesome tools for collaboration, etc. The platform we’re shifting to will be very flexible and expandable. We’ve got to figure out who the users are who are able to and willing to volunteer time to build the site as a central hub or clearinghouse for the right online.
We have a variety of posters with a variety of skill sets, knowledge bases, interests, and time. In 2009, we must work better to harness all of those to remain the influence leader we’ve become and be the place where right-of-center activists come to get educated on the issues, motivated by the topics, and activated for or against particular causes and candidates.

RedState 4.0
Jon E. Schultz II Wednesday, November 26th at 11:37AM EST (link)I’ve been thinking about RedState “4.0″ for a bit now, and one of the things I keep coming back to is how to make RS more of a “platform”, from a technology perspective.
For example, I know I can go to http://www.redstate.com/diaries/IlliniJon/ to access all of my diaries. Now, I’d like to start my own blog soon, but I don’t really want to have to go to blogger or wordpress or whoever; I’d rather do it on RedState. But the link to my diaries doesn’t feel like it could be my blog - it feels like some stuff I happened to post on RedState.
What if we made the layout of our diary page more configurable, so we can customize it and personalize it, so it really could become our own personal blog? Give us the ability to add/remove elements like redhot, comments, and some of the other links/ads. Let us upload our own custom headers, so it doesn’t blare “RedState”, with a bunch of other random links to thing like Human Event, RedState Sports…stuff that wouldn’t be relevant to our personal blog. Maybe even tie our own personal domain name to it, so I could be http://RacineWiConservative.com instead of http://RedState.com/diaries/IlliniJon/
I thought of this because a number of times I see people cross posting RedState posts to their own personal blogs, and I started wondering what we could do to make RedState and their personal blogs one in the same.
Basically, I think this goes along with a comment you made in Point 6 - “let us be the hub and facilitator, then get the hell out of the way and let our readers have fun together.”
If we could take steps to become the technology platform for conservative organization, education, and activism - that’s where the real power of this medium begins.
Thanks,
-Jon
Also, this...
Jon E. Schultz II Wednesday, November 26th at 11:50AM EST (link)…
I’d be happy to help with some of the conceptual design and usability testing. I started a hosting/colocation/data center company when I was a junior in college, and we’re still growing and going strong 10 years later. Point being, I’m very familiar with what it takes to build a strong online business, and I’m type A when it comes to the details of creating a satisfying online experience. For instance, I cannot for the life of me find a link anywhere on this site to change my password. It also still annoys the hell out of me that I can’t get to “page 2″ of the front page posts.
It’s these little things that complete the usability of the site, and I’d be happy to volunteer my time. I like this place and I want to see it continue to become a runaway success.
If you want to talk further, I’m sure you can look up my e-mail address in my profile.
Thanks,
-Jon
Upcoming conservative and Republican events promotion?
MORepublican Wednesday, November 26th at 12:05PM EST (link)Is there a way to promote upcoming Republican and conservative events without making it a diary? I thought there was to be a Calendar of Events in the new RS, but cannot submit anything under the “Events” tab.
Can we just have some sort of Google calendar or something like that? Or would events need to be reviewed before posting by a moderator? I would like to submit events for Missouri if I know about them, so that other Missouri RS posters and lurkers can attend.
“Free Government Requires Active Citizens”
Personally, I Think This Is a Terrible Idea
IJB Wednesday, November 26th at 12:51PM EST (link)We remain up front as a site that you must be pro-life to write on our front page.
You’ve done it again - you’ve distilled the entire party down to one issue. The result has been that some of the front-page contributors here (and, no, I’d prefer not to name names) have been what I consider to be deficient in some of the “three stool-legs” of modern conservatism/Republicanism simply because they are pro-life.
I had to say it, Erick, but they are liberal pro-lifers, just as there are people who are conservative on every other issue aside from abortion.
Look, I’m not saying that we should hand the page over to pro-Roe contributors. But they are certainly legitimate conservatives and Republicans who are anti-Roe, but may not be what you’d consider to be sufficiently 100% pro-life.
Don’t define the party around one issue.
Or, conversely, if this site is going to have litmus tests, it’s going to need way more than just one.
To be a front page contributor at RedState
Erick Erickson Wednesday, November 26th at 1:01PM EST (link)You must be pro-life.
To be a reader or user of RedState, you need not be.
Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?
And since when does the RS front page equal the Republican Party?
Neil Stevens Wednesday, November 26th at 1:25PM EST (link)Why aren’t we allowed to have different rules for the Red State front page, from what we have for the Republican Party?
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There Is No Crisis
A special section
Steph C Wednesday, November 26th at 1:58PM EST (link)Conservate and Republican are not always interchangable because not all Republicans are conservative. If RedState is going to be the message bearer for conservatism, I think a special section for education on what conservatism is versus everything else, would be a good thing.
There are lots of diarists here who talk about conservatism, with teaching posts, etc. but once they drop off the front, recommended diaries, or recent member diaries, they’re not likely to be visited by many people. Nor is it enough to simply link to sites that do nothing but conservatism since RedState has the status it enjoys.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
Erick, a few thoughts on your points
red_oakster Wednesday, November 26th at 3:35PM EST (link)on #1:
I really think Red State could find a way to become not only a candidate vetter, but also a candidate suggestion box. Candidate selection reqires creativity. I think this site collectively has more creativity than any chairman of a congrssional campaign committee.
To be sure, Rove was really good at this for Bush in the 02 and 04 cycles. Corzine and Elizabeth Dole and Tom Cole were really bad. Schumer and Emmanuel were really good.
But this work is too important to be left to the politicians, especially when they are ineffectual. Red State could serve as a suggestion box. We need to help committees find candidates who can run competitive races, especially where there are “lean Democrat” situaitons. For example, in 2008, we missed a chance to really challenge Harkin or Baucus or Shuler. In 2010, Boxer should get a meaningful challenger, as should the Obama, Biden, and Clinton successors.
Red State has the capacity to identify potential candidates as much as any other conservative group in the nation. We should have our own top possibiities for these races, and we should help create a farm team of talented possible candidates.
on #4:
A prominent image on the front page that linked to an “activist resources” page would serve your purpose. This should not have to be re-inserted on an RSS treadmill every week; just give it a visible gateway link
on #5:
I am afraid the kind of catch as catch can approach to investigative journalism is a pale shadow of what the Left is doing at places like TPM. We need a funded, salaried conservative equivalent which at the very least challenges the purveyors of left-wing doctrine.
If The Purpose of This Site Is To Grow The GOP...
IJB Wednesday, November 26th at 4:03PM EST (link)…Then the site should operate in such a way as to further that goal.
I don’t think this rule helps.
So Rudy Guilani Will Never Be Allowed To Author a Front-Page Diary Here? (n/t)
IJB Wednesday, November 26th at 4:06PM EST (link)Removing it certainly wouldn't.
NightTwister Wednesday, November 26th at 4:14PM EST (link)I can pretty much guarantee that I’m the only would that wouldn’t be involved here if this policy wasn’t in place.
Like it or not, the Republican Party is nothing if it compromises on this issue. You can certainly try to argue that opposite is also the case, but I doubt you’d be able to make a convincing case.
Get Connected in Colorado.
Can't type.
NightTwister Wednesday, November 26th at 4:26PM EST (link)…guarantee I’m NOT the only one…
Get Connected in Colorado.
I don't mind the rule so much...
birdmojo Wednesday, November 26th at 4:42PM EST (link)But it seems representative of the last few years of the party’s progression into and out of power that this is a website that front-paged diaries explaining to the stupid how very necessary the bailouts were.
I think it’s great that the Republicans have said “This issue is important and will brook no compromise!”
I am one of those who thinks that the fact that, really, abortion is the only issue where that tends to be said is the reason the Republicans keep losing elections.
But don’t take my word for it. Just watch what happens over the next few years. When the pendulum starts swinging back, it will not (I guarantee you) be because of the debate over Life.
And when the pendulum will swing back (and it will swing back) it won’t be because the Republicans didn’t hold the line over issues over Life.
Just watch. You’ll see.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire
Pro-Life
Whitehorse Wednesday, November 26th at 4:46PM EST (link)Winning issue - whether it’s used by Republicans or Democrats. Like other issues that are part of conservative social values: pro-2nd amendment, marriage as man/woman, school choice, etc., when these are voted on these conservative social values win by large margins across demographic lines.
If we wanted to destroy the party, we would follow the pale-pastel crowd - however, at least for me, I am who the pale-pastel crowd hates.
I was thinking the same thing (n/t)
Finrod Wednesday, November 26th at 4:51PM EST (link)—
Finrod’s First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.
I support your points
indym Wednesday, November 26th at 5:06PM EST (link)I am pro-life and support your platoform. I believe that we need to grow the pro-life movement and support candidates that support that position. Having said that I also believe that pro-life movement must exist and grow outside a political party. My opinion is the we should not reach out to the republican party, but that the republican party candidates should reach out to us. Thank you for this site and for what you do.
Good tagging practices can help this
bs Wednesday, November 26th at 5:10PM EST (link)If someone wants to come up with a taxonomy that helps determine more effective tagging, that can help a lot. For example, if the diarists writing on basics of conservatism can use a tag like “Conservatism 101″ or something like that, the tag links can be used for that. There may be a better way, but in our current framework, that may be the best we can do for now.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Here, we agree.
NightTwister Wednesday, November 26th at 5:28PM EST (link)The problems with the Republican Party over the past eight years have nothing to do with the pro-life issue. We’ve made more progress in this area than any other during this time.
The problems with are Party are the abandonment of fiscal restraint and the expansion of government interference. The pendulum will swing back when we embrace (and execute on) these principles again without compromising them on the pro-life issue.
Get Connected in Colorado.
RS 2009 needs to allow discussion on policy issues
smagar Wednesday, November 26th at 5:36PM EST (link)I am not a political activist. I spend little time with my local party, except at election time. I don’t know politics.
I do know military and intelligence affairs.
I think that Redstate makes me more valuable as a citizen, in that it gives me a place/way to be heard when I have something useful to say.
I heartily concur with Erick’s idea for using Redstate to raise points/issues that (a) politicians/MSM are ignoring or (b) many Americans don’t understand, so we can get those issues into the mainstream of discussion and the forefront of people’s minds.
The MSM’s power in this country comes from its ability to bury and ignore stories. The blogosphere is a powerful antidote to that.
With an MSM as corrupt as ours, we need a platform from which to fight back.
I firmly believe that, if more Americans are educated on/made aware of the issues that concern we Redstaters so much—taxes, pro-life, fiscal discipline, a bold foreign policy, an unapologetic patriotism, outrage over voter fraud—then the conservative movement cannot fail but to strengthen and grow.
Redstate can help make that happen. I hope we let it.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Redstate U
Kyle-MI Wednesday, November 26th at 5:40PM EST (link)I like StephC’s suggestion. Let me build on it. Could we have a permanent section called something like “Redstate U”? A diary that is especially relevant to a conservative education could be promoted to this special section. We just need to come up with a mechanism for the promotion. Though I hate to be giving the editors more work, ultimately they should have final say on which diaries go into this section.
A movement is only as strong as it's base
Whitehorse Wednesday, November 26th at 5:42PM EST (link)That’s why I come to Redstate & promote it to my colleagues. I have no personal aspirations of elected office or being anything in the political realm but a volunteer and spreader of the conservative message.
It’s good that the Republicans on Capitol Hill read Redstate. There are many good suggestions for using the new tools and power of internet to communicate & activate. I want Redstate, & I think most are in agreement with me, to be a force for fixing what’s broken in the Republican Party without messing something else up. Our leaders & representatives need to reclaim limited government & fiscal responsibility - not having that is what’s been broken & hobbled us for the last 2 election cycles nationally. Strong national defense is a winning issue - no change to that. Conservative social principles are winning issues - easy to see the great preponderance of victories over losses when the American people vote on social issues. Add in real limited government fiscally responsible conservatism to that mix, & we have a very powerful force to win elections & govern responsibly & soundly.
When Republicans run as solid conservatives - across the board, all-round, complete conservatives - Republicans win much more often than lose. I would like to see & actually am seeing Redstate promote across the board conservatism!
My two cents on Erick's points...
Mark Malcolm Wednesday, November 26th at 5:47PM EST (link)1-Candidate vetting- I like this idea, but take it one step further. A nice section to show people how candidates voted on the various bills would be an excellent way to compare the ‘Talk’ with the ‘Walk’ so to speak.
2-Policy on the front page-Keep policy on the front page. It’s a must have to me.
3-Enemies database-This smacks of something not good the way it’s phrased. However, if you had a database/list of how members of the government actually voted you could categorize them or give them a grade based on how they supported conservative principals. for that matter, there are probably sites already doing that. If you could partner with them perhaps you wouldn’t have to recreate the wheel here.
4-Activism-The calendar idea seems like a clean easy to read way to do this.
5-Investigative news-I don’t have feelings one way or the other here. Sorry.
6-Offline/Online-This might also be easily accomplished on the same calendar from point 4.
7-Army of activists-Isn’t this already being taken care of via email and the site itself? Perhaps a membership drive would accomplish the same task without all that pesky software development.
On the point of right to life in order to post on the front page, I’m fine with this since I agree with it. However, I believe a corollary to this should be the 1st amendment so long as the poster is, ‘Be respectful, or be banned’. Without going into specifics, I think someone should be free to air their political opinion of a candidate free from the worry of being banned so long as they’re respectful of other posters on this site.
That’s my opinion, we welcome yours…
I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.
What I foresee happening...
birdmojo Wednesday, November 26th at 7:24PM EST (link)Democratic overreach.
Republicans pulling any handy argument to argue against anything that the Democrats do. If this argument doesn’t work well, they’ll pick up that one. If that one doesn’t work, they’ll pick up that other one over there.
Eventually, they’ll start yelling stuff about Fiscal Conservativism and some young sparkplug might have the bright idea to argue for some of the things in the Contract with America.
The Republicans find that this stuff polls well. They’ll say it louder.
They’ll win back the House/Senate.
Except on the issue of abortion, they’ll turn into Democrats (again).
They’ll lose the House/Senate.
Libertarians and other “squishy” Conservatives will be blamed for not showing up at the polls and not supporting “the good guys” enough.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire
Redstate U is a good idea
David123 Wednesday, November 26th at 8:05PM EST (link)nt
David123
What I'm doing
Whitehorse Wednesday, November 26th at 8:11PM EST (link)I’m working within the party on a local level to promote all-round conservatism - all 3/4 legs of the stool. I’m also making my views known on this site & others. I’m going to do what I can to get Republican leaders & elected officials to reclaim limted government conservatism & fiscal responsibility & not abandon it, also not abandon any other parts of the winning Republican/conservative platform.
Erick was being very specific in his language. <NT>
Moe Lane Wednesday, November 26th at 8:27PM EST (link)NT
Check out my new blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (blogging-related) wish list.
On #3
Grump642 Wednesday, November 26th at 8:56PM EST (link)Why only Dems? This is a battle for the hearts and minds of the Republican party.We just saw a lot of backstabbing towards Gov Palin from McCain staffers and Gov’s in FL. These kind of things play right into the hands of the Dems and MSM. We really need to know who our weasels are, also. And when we do, they get no money, no help, and no mercy.
Sounds about right to me.
NightTwister Wednesday, November 26th at 8:59PM EST (link)FWIW, just as many wouldn’t show up on the other side if they acted like Democrats on the socon issues.
Get Connected in Colorado.
Ugh
Chance Haywood Wednesday, November 26th at 9:00PM EST (link)Reading that right there tells me you all shouldn’t be allowed to lead the fight to restore the message about the princples of the party.
We are not a single issue party. It is all fine and dandy that this website wants to promote that princple, as wrong as the platform postion may be, but making that the defining qualification makes me want to read this site significantly less because I believe that position puts you at contradiction limiting government involvement in a person’s life.
There are so many things wrong with that part of the platform I am stumped about where to begin. As anti-abortion I may be it is debatable where life begins. That simple reality is what makes an ammendment on this matter ambigious at best not to mention dangerous in regards to misuse for enforcement. And if you think it wouldn’t be turned against us raise your had if you think ever thought government would sieze a man’s property and hand it over to another man for private developemnt?
If you guys want to know why we keep coming up short with female demographic this is a defining reason. We constantly talk the talk about getting government out of our lives but we repeatedly contradict this position by supporting legislation that does the opposite.
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I've said it before and gotten some criticism
Nick Haynes Wednesday, November 26th at 9:11PM EST (link)but RS should look into taking some features from Dkos in terms of technology.
1.) A language that will make the blog automatically update. Whenever I’m patrolling the land of the orange plague, they have one thing that helps to make it more interactive: you don’t need to constantly hit refresh in order to see new comments. It works closer to an IM-style than your traditional blog, which encourages people to continue their conversations at length, which I feel helps the flow and exchange of ideas.
2.) A more personalized profile. You are able to not only have a blurb about yourself, but a personal blogroll, comments, etc. It allows readers to see more about the user and to intertwine the web of RS even further.
Some other ideas:
3.) Speed up the current version before you work on the next version. I have cable internet running at a 10 MBps connection on a top of the line iMac, and it takes me forever to pull up RS (if it even pulls up). It makes me leery to even read the site sometimes, much less post items.
4.) Limit recommends, and implement a system that would also give long-time users the ability to “unrecommend” certain diaries and comments. While the moderators do an exceptional job at patrolling the site, it would do well for a guy who’s been around here since forever, to be able to knock a guy down to size without calling for cleanup. As far as limiting recommends, it ensures that the items going to the recommend list are getting the support of the full community and not just certain “cliques” as I think I heard Erick speak of.
5.) Devise a sort of interface that would allow people to identify (if they so choose on their profile) to be identified as from certain states or locales, so that when events come up, one with the right access and permissions but not a moderator of the site can come on and easily see the handles of RS members within a target area, or who fit a target demographic. Doing this would allow people to grow our activist outreach and make it easier for one member to draw on the support of the others.
To second the first comment, I also like the idea of username.redstate.com, or going with state/large city quick addresses like mo.redstate.com, newyorkcity.redstate.com, dc.redstate.com, etc., with states in postal abbreviation and cities spelled out. These addresses could pick up anything with the particular tag that’s at the beginning of the address.
I’ll try to think of more, but focusing it on connections and networking more. It’s not the size of our base that will matter, but how active it is. Work on getting us to move together as “One team, one fight” (old ship’s motto), and we’ll move on to victory!
If you’re not networking, you’re not helping.
If Redstate were purely a Republican site
tcgeol Wednesday, November 26th at 9:23PM EST (link)you would have a point. As a Republican and conservative site, though, growing the party at all costs isn’t top priority and really shouldn’t be.
You can still write all the diaries and comments you like and be pro-abortion.
Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger
Point of Order Please...
tsquare Wednesday, November 26th at 9:40PM EST (link)First, how is it that you know that I am pro-life? Or not? Unless I write about it.
Well Rudy… we do all know. But me? Not so much.
That said Moe, while Erick might have been “being very specific in his language” I think what he really means is:
To be a regular front page contributor at RedState you must be pro-life.
Excellent points
Erick Erickson Wednesday, November 26th at 10:43PM EST (link)Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?
Yeah I tend to agree
Neil Stevens Wednesday, November 26th at 10:50PM EST (link)Nearly everything on your list I was already planning or doing.
Number 1 though is something I need to chew on. Thank you!
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There Is No Crisis
We Must Plan Ahead
bc3 Wednesday, November 26th at 11:02PM EST (link)While we disagree with Obama politically, I think we have to give him credit for his organization (especially compared to McCain’s). We need to study what he did and copy and improve on it (as the Japanese auto manufacturers did in the 1960s and 1970s). Of course. we’ll never have MSM shilling for us.
No one from the McCain campaign should ever be let near another GOP campaign - except Sarah Palin of course.
You never see liberal columnists turn on the Democratic Party during elections. We need to make sure we don’t support the Noonans, Parkers and Brooks. The Dems have far better discipline than we do.
bc3
"No one?"
Neil Stevens Wednesday, November 26th at 11:07PM EST (link)Last thing we need to do is to prejudge people in the absence of facts.
Last thing we need is finger pointing in general.
Fire on the left, not the right.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
No one from the McCain campaign should ever be let near another GOP campaign
Diogenes314 Wednesday, November 26th at 11:30PM EST (link)Without a polygraph test first.
Have you ever made anonymous leaks to the press about a candidate?
Message brought to you by Diogenes
The Last American Liberal.
Let’s all compromise-everyone should just agree with me.
Friends Don’t Let Friends Vote Democrat.
Let me put an addendum on bc3's comment, Neil.
Nick Haynes Thursday, November 27th at 12:15AM EST (link)Nobody in a high-level position of determining strategy should ever be let near another high-level GOP campaign. I might hire Rick Davis, for example, if I was running for a state Senate seat, but not anything above that. And as far as communications, Tucker Bounds should be made to go to every contributor’s door and apologize for making the campaign look foolish.
Listen, while this might be concentrating some fire on the right, it is well deserved and needs to be done now rather than later. When I was in the Navy, I was stationed at Norfolk from 2004 until the end of 2005. I saw a great deal of that team lose the gubernatorial election for Jerry Kilgore in a race that Tim Kaine should have had no business winning. While he was the Lt. Gov. to a popular governor, the year was tailor-made for Kilgore to be the next governor of VA. The next year, I saw many of the same people come out to Missouri, at the same time I was returning home after my service, and ruin Jim Talent’s senatorial reelection campaign to Claire McCaskill, who my own liberal sister won’t vote for on the basis of her somewhat cold (to be generous) personality. Then they went on, took on some more races, and lost those.
At some point, we have to identify those people who are either wholly ineffective or just ineffective at certain levels. We can’t afford to let people continue to run campaigns simply because they have a Republican affiliation. It must be brought to bear that, while we appreciate their attempts, they are not currently or might never be suited to take on certain tasks. Let’s work on identifying where to put certain people rather than holding fire for the sake of “party unity”.
If you’re not networking, you’re not helping.
No problem.
Nick Haynes Thursday, November 27th at 12:18AM EST (link)Thank you for the thanks, BTW. Also, as an addendum to my original post, I like Dkos’s little “50-State Blog Network”. Perhaps getting a collaboration going between the major conservative blogs (RS, Townhall, etc.) that would grant server space to those individuals who would be willing to work on designing and keeping updated individual state sites is in order. Might be able to give individuality to each state, and get some competition going as to which state has the best site.
Just a thought.
If you’re not networking, you’re not helping.
That's different
Neil Stevens Thursday, November 27th at 12:36AM EST (link)If you can identify specific people who are doing things badly then great, warn people about them.
But to presume incompetence from everyone who even touched the campaign? That’s just too much for me.
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start early
GB221 Thursday, November 27th at 12:36AM EST (link)Good points. I agree that we should learn from Obama’s campaign and apply many of his methods. A crucial one is to start early to energize the base.
Am I Welcome Here?
Robert L. Mayo Thursday, November 27th at 12:38AM EST (link)Erick,
Regarding your first rule “you must be pro-life to write on our front page.”…
I am a strong conservative. For example, I respect John McCain, but I thought he was not nearly conservative enough on immigration, climate change, education, campaign finance, and half a dozen other issues.
But on abortion, although I believe that partial birth or late term abortion is monstrous, I do not believe that 4 cells are the same as a human being and would not support an amendment for an absolute ban.
Maybe I just need some clarification. Is the standard that we must support a constitutional ban with no exceptions? Is support for the morning after pill in the case of rape or incest a disqualification? I’m not arguing with your right to put in place any policies you want, I just need to know where I stand.
One of the things that I have always liked best about RedState is that unlike Kos and other left wing sites, we are civil to each other and to liberals who want to respectfully debate. I guess I just assumed that that civility extended to tolerance of fellow conservatives who may diverge on a particular issue.
I had hoped that over the years I might earn the community’s respect as a valuable contributor and respected voice. Now I feel like I am being permanently labeled as a second class citizen.
I love RedState, so I gotta tell you, this is a bit of a kick in the gut.
Robert L. Mayo
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- Goethe
Agreed on that.
Nick Haynes Thursday, November 27th at 12:40AM EST (link)Although most people would presume that certain people were the entire campaign.
But, I’ll agree that painting the entirety of McCain’s campaign (while it was one of the more mediocre ones I’ve seen) is not the right thing to do.
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your the fool guy
Alberta Thursday, November 27th at 12:53AM EST (link)Paulson said the sky is falling so you grovel at his feet and beg him to make it stop? And were the stupid ones for opposing such pathetic behavior?
Enjoy the effects of having your country spend 65% of its GDP on worthless paper.
Ive never met a ‘libertarian’ so enthused with government takeover.
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Erick answered your question
bs Thursday, November 27th at 1:01AM EST (link)here
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Although I don't even come close to speaking for the moderators,
Nick Haynes Thursday, November 27th at 1:18AM EST (link)let me offer my view.
Dkos is a site that has some similarities, in that Redstate, like dKos, is the premier interactive blog for our side of the aisle. Look at dKos-they’ll have divergent opinions on some things in their members’ diaries, but the front-pagers are unified on certain key issues. And, from what I’ve seen, so it is with Redstate.
If you look at the members of Redstate, we are a divergent but conservative community. Only a very small handful of individuals, though, are going to be on the front-page unless an individual diary is promoted there. Even then, the promotions are not that plentiful. Why? Because, when it comes to philosophical opinions or endorsements, it is important that the “frontmen” of Redstate speak with one voice for the community.
Your diaries, to me, are more than welcome here. I’m sure we’ll vigorously debate. But just because you don’t get front-page moderator status doesn’t mean your opinion isn’t welcome. I’m staunchly pro-life and I’ve been a member for nearly 3 years and I’ve only had one diary promoted to the front page, IIRC, and it was an obituary for Craig Thomas of Wyoming.
I hope that restriction doesn’t cause you to cease involvement with Redstate. I think you and I will both agree that, now more than ever, we need all hands on deck. But just because the captain won’t let you take the conn doesn’t mean you’re not a integral part of the crew.
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Thanks Nick
Robert L. Mayo Thursday, November 27th at 1:55AM EST (link)I appreciate your thoughtful response.
I understand that promotion to the front page is rare. That’s not the issue for me, and I don’t have any burning desire for it. I guess I just assumed that I would be judged here by the overall quality of my ideas, not by a very small deviation from doctrine on one issue, even one as important as abortion.
Ronald Reagan raised a few taxes, Barry Goldwater said a few harsh things about the religious right. Neither one of them was 100% in line with every conservative thought. But we admired them because of the totality of their philosophies.
If Barry Goldwater, the spiritual father of us all, had been slightly, just slightly moderate on abortion at the margins, this rule would have labeled him unfit to be a full participant here.
I don’t dispute the right for this rule to exist. It just seems that for a slight degree of moderation on one issue to cause one to be denied the opportunity to rise on his merits doesn’t seem right to me.
Robert L. Mayo
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men.
- Goethe
I would contend that pro-life isn't one issue
Nick Haynes Thursday, November 27th at 2:41AM EST (link)And this is coming from someone who would prefer to see a lot of social conservatives realize that there are other issues to judge a candidate on besides simply their devotion to pro-life issues, so keep that in mind.
That being said, it boils down philosophically to what we stand for as conservatives. We cherish ourselves and our ideology as that of personal freedoms and of inalienable and natural rights, amongst those being the right to life and liberty.
At the state of conception, there can be a little bit of a waffle scientifically, although I believe in the final analysis that science will show that life is life at the moment of conception. What doesn’t waffle scientifically are certain benchmarks in the development of the child inside the mother, specifically the emergence of a heartbeat and brainwaves. At that point, you can better get at the question of how to define life by defining what death is: namely, the absence of both brainwaves and a heartbeat. When that question is answered, then logically and inevitably, one must define life as an entity possessing either brainwaves or a heartbeat.
At such a juncture, if we are truly the party and the movement that seeks to protect not only personal freedoms but also the natural human right to life, then we must protect all forms of human life, no matter what state they might be in. To do so is not only a moral failing, but an acquiescence to an act essentially tantamount to murder.
As a somewhat pro-life man yourself (I’m assuming), I wonder your position regarding charging a person with two counts of manslaughter or murder for the taking of the life of a pregnant woman. This will provide the answer you seek about how you view the issue. If you seek two counts (one for the woman and one for the child), then you admit ipso facto that the entity inside the mother is a child and a human life, and if you do support the “two-counts” law, then you have no leg to stand on when it comes to abortion. Just some thoughts.
So, I can understand your position with regards to some being more moderate than others. But, I personally feel that any person who is a regular front-page contributor must have certain foundations in their belief system, and a pro-life position, in recognition of the value of each and every life, must be present for the structure to last.
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Barry Goldwater...
Diogenes314 Thursday, November 27th at 3:27AM EST (link)Actually Barry G. was as pro-abortion as Christine Whitman or any of the other ‘RINOs’ some folks around here want excommunicated. He saw it as entirely a matter of personal choice.
That being said, the folks who run the site make the rules. If their focus is on being an anti-abortion forum rather than one which wants to win elections and help turn back the socialist tide, that’s their perogative. If those who think that there are more important issues facing us are permenent outsiders, so what?
Then again, I’m posting from the Peoples Republic of Kali.
I’m used to being surrounded by folks that think I’m evil or insane.
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I didn't believe you
Robert L. Mayo Thursday, November 27th at 3:54AM EST (link)about Goldwater and abortion, so I looked it up. According to Wikipedia’s entry for him:
I knew he had some libertarian views, but I never would have guessed.
Robert L. Mayo
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men.
- Goethe
I think you missed my point
Robert L. Mayo Thursday, November 27th at 4:03AM EST (link)Nick, My point was not about the issue of abortion or whether human rights vest at the moment of conception or when a brainwave first appears.
What I’m concerned about is the degree of ideological purity and conformity that is required to be accepted as an equal here.
Robert L. Mayo
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men.
- Goethe
With respect bs, it did not
Robert L. Mayo Thursday, November 27th at 4:10AM EST (link)Erick’s statement was that we must be “pro life”. There are degrees of that position.
“Is the standard that we must support a constitutional ban with no exceptions? Is support for the morning after pill in the case of rape or incest a disqualification?”
I would still like clarification as to what is and is not considered sufficiently pro life to be subject to the front page ban.
Robert L. Mayo
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men.
- Goethe
Cart before the horse?
SIConservative Thursday, November 27th at 9:04AM EST (link)Thanks to the election, we will now have less power than we’ve had in the last fourteen years, and it took us quite a while to get what we got in ‘94. I don’t think I’m alone in suggesting that our time in power was at best a disappointment, and at worst a failure. True, we had welfare reform in the 90s, a few balanced budgets, and a tax cut earlier in the decade, but relative to what many of us hoped to accomplished, we really didn’t get all that far. Our government is bigger than ever, courts continue to exceed their authority, and we didn’t actually accomplish anything in terms of getting our debt under control, a failure of monumental, and potentially devastating, proportions.
It is absolutely essential that regaining power does not become an end in itself, but rather a means to enacting an agenda. Putting the means before the end will effectively result in both failing. Democrats are the only ones who get elected on not being the other guy. We need ideas and goals. Even from our perspective, what’s the point of winning races if we don’t have realistic hopes of actually accomplishing things when we do so?
Not too long ago I suggested a list of ten items on which we could agree and focus. Judging by the response, or lack thereof, I understand that those particular ten items might not be the agenda. Even so, I still think that the idea of actually having unifying, set, tangible goals in mind will help us in every aspect of our activism, inspiring the base, recruitment, campaigning, and governing, and I think that this blog could play an important role in formulating and promoting that agenda.
Sign me up
George Claghorn Thursday, November 27th at 11:13AM EST (link)I’d be more than happy to volunteer!
I can help with PHP/MySQL development, as I’ve used it for numerous web design projects in the past.
And, just curious, but what platform are you shifting to?
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For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Balanced Budgets
exitsfunnel Thursday, November 27th at 2:56PM EST (link)The idea of attributing a ‘few balanced budgets’ as a conservative victory almost made me laugh. The GOP (unfortunately) gave up ownership of that issue a long time ago. As someone who has been shouting about budget deficits on various political sites/newsgroups for a decade, I’ve much more often than not been shouted down by conservatives with various arguments all of which amount to ‘deficits don’t matter.’ I’m (very, very cautiously) optimistic that two terms of Barak Obama will have the affect that conservatives will rethink their position on this issue.
-exits
policy/position library
PhoenixFire Thursday, November 27th at 2:58PM EST (link)I think it would be really useful if redstate created a repository of comprehensive position papers on all the major issues and also rebuttals of all the liberal talking points/lies.
This would be good for 3 reasons.
Conservatives (many of whom are not the most articulate defenders of our ideas) from all over could link here when arguing with someone about why we are against abortion, gay marriage, etc. Especially with more complex issues like marriage and free trade it would be highly beneficial to have a place to just refer people to.
It would help conservative leaning people to better understand why many people support issue X.
It would have the result of creating lots of links to redstate from all over the web and would create a lot of site visitors who might not visit otherwise. The combination of those two things will increase the search/alexa rankings of redstate and result in even more traffic and visibility.
your prerogative to feel that way
E Pluribus Unum Thursday, November 27th at 4:32PM EST (link)but anybody that fails that litmus test does not speak for me, represent me, or lead me. And that includes Barry Goldwater.
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I read Drudge alot
Grump642 Thursday, November 27th at 8:10PM EST (link)and it can be very maddening to be looking through the list of stories, and boom, it’s gone. Sometimes reloading can be slow. So you have to sit there and wait. Maybe a slower refresh time?
I loathe meta refreshes
George Claghorn Thursday, November 27th at 8:39PM EST (link)I think the suggestion was that Ajax or some other kind of dynamic updating script be used to make comments automatically appear at the bottom of the page WITHOUT refreshing.
If you’ve ever read Little Green Footballs, a good example of this is the “New Comments” button at the bottom of every thread.
(Nerd speak ends here.)
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For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
No, he said nothing about whether *you* must be pro-life
Neil Stevens Thursday, November 27th at 9:06PM EST (link)What he said was that front page Contributors must be pro-life. I must be, Pejman must be, Leon must be, Erick must be, but you don’t have to be.
So I don’t know where this ‘we’ stuff comes from. You don’t have to believe anything to be a commenter here.
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Grain of salt.
mbecker908 Thursday, November 27th at 10:21PM EST (link)After Goldwater’s wife died, he remarried a much younger and much, much more liberal woman. There is a very large school of thought, especially here in Arizona, that by the time he made the remarks to which you refer he’d “fallen under her spell” and was mouthing her opinions.
I wouldn’t put any stock in his commentary on much of anything after he retired from the Senate, and frankly for a few years prior to that. Specifically, with respect to abortion and the RvW ruling, you’ll find nothing to indicate his support for the ruling or his either support for or ambivalence toward a pro-choice position on the subject that is contemporaneous with the Roe decision.
An excellent source is this article from the Claremont Institute that goes into some depth about Goldwater’s conservatism and the later period of his life. Specifically, I would refer you to this…
I would recommend reading the whole article. It’s not long and it’s very informative.
And to Kowalski...
mbecker908 Thursday, November 27th at 10:24PM EST (link)The money quote from the article is, I think, especially important today given the current state of the Party and groans we are hearing from the beltway. The quotation below is from the author of the article not Goldwater, but it really hits the nail on the head.
In the 90s
SIConservative Friday, November 28th at 12:06AM EST (link)In the 90s, we got serious about budgets for a time, even pushing for a balanced budget amendment. It didn’t last, but the Republicans can take credit for the BBs that did get passed.
Goldwater-Senile or just gullible?
Diogenes314 Friday, November 28th at 12:32AM EST (link)It’s quite large among anti-abortion advocates who’d rather paint BG as senile or easily brainwashed. Among the open-minded, not so much.
If by ‘nothing’, you mean this…
Today’s conservatives will balk at Goldwater’s social views. He initially welcomed the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion. “I think that abortion should be legalized,” he wrote to a constituent in 1973, “because whether it is legal or not, women are going to have it done.” He quickly adopted a vaguer stance, dropping his talk about legalization and telling constituents “the issue [is] squarely up to each state legislature.” After leaving the Senate in 1986, however, he came out explicitly in favor of abortion rights.
Absolutely. Of course, one doesn’t have to adopt a particular segment of the GOP’s pet agenda to be moral. Just to be part of the ‘in’ crowd on certain web sites.
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I agree on this
Shawn Gillogly Friday, November 28th at 6:20AM EST (link)I suggested this during the campaign as something we ought to do when the campaign ended. Part of the reason Conservatives are losing the idea war is we have lost our way when it comes to implementing our principles in the daily grind of politics.
We’re letting too many “knee-jerk” conservatives who do not understand the reasons that our principles mandate our policies be the people who articulate our positions. As much as I like Sarah Palin, for instance, she’s not shown yet that she can articulate form first principles to demonstrate “why” a particular policy matters.
Note, this doesn’t make someone a lightweight. And I’m not saying that it’s wrong. But at some point, we need a strong ideological foundation rebuilt so we can develop alternative, conservative solutions on the issues that we are facing instead of simply saying; “No, universal health care is bad.”
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RS2009--The Hub?
Kate_Shanahan Friday, November 28th at 11:10AM EST (link)Our efforts are too fragmented. Someone or thing must look at the big picture and connect the disparate parts for more power.
An online community that can meet in a central cyberlocation and split into interest groups within the whole then split by state or region.
We should have the ability to have real time discussion groups by area of impact, similar to what Newt is doing.
I didn’t seen an education/entertainment section. If we don’t focus on the education system, we’ll continue to lose ground.
Kate
“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller
Of course, one doesn't have to adopt a particular segment of the GOP's pet agenda to be moral.
mbecker908 Friday, November 28th at 2:15PM EST (link)Say what you will, but the acceptance of abortion as birth control is fundamentally immoral and is absolutely the first step on the road to infanticide and beyond. It’s already accepted in leftest academia, see Peter Singer of Princeton.
And just to cut to the chase, am I charging that people who support abortion for birth control are basically, fundamentally immoral? Yes I am.
So sorry I missed this!
birdmojo Friday, November 28th at 6:24PM EST (link)Thanksgiving ain’t in October down here, I’m sure you understand.
Anyway, I opposed the bailout. I was one of the people yelling about the bailout. I was one of the stupid people who had it explained to me slowly why it was important that we have the bailout. The explanations, as I understand them, revolved around the need of The Children to eat or something like that.
Always with The Children.
Anyhoo, let me sum up by saying:
Dude.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire
No I didn't, Robert. You just wish I had.
Nick Haynes Friday, November 28th at 6:49PM EST (link)There’s room for differences on what the best tax policy is, the best strategy for national defense, and other things. These are ancillary issues.
At the base of one’s conservatism, though, must come an acknowledgement and respect for rights given through nature. One of those rights, absent interference from other creatures, is a right to life.
My own personal take is that if you don’t have enough respect to value and allow another human being to live (especially those who are defenseless and need defense the most), then you are more than likely susceptible to allowing your respect of other rights and freedoms to be ignored. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything, but if one isn’t willing to stand up for the most defenseless, then how are they going to stand up for someone who can fight their own battles?
If you’re not networking, you’re not helping.
My mistake
Robert L. Mayo Friday, November 28th at 7:02PM EST (link)Neil, You are correct. In my previous comment I used imprecise language. What I meant was, exactly what standard is used for judging a sufficient level of pro-life position for front page contributors.
Robert L. Mayo
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men.
- Goethe
I knew he changed
Robert L. Mayo Friday, November 28th at 7:06PM EST (link)I knew Goldwater changed his positions towards the libertarian in later life, I just didn’t know about how far he went.
Robert L. Mayo
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men.
- Goethe
My missions - crush the Treason Media and...
E Pluribus Unum Friday, November 28th at 10:31PM EST (link)OK, for myself, with my own abilities and insights, what I can offer that’s useful are primarily two things:
(1) Carry out a relentless and no-stone-unturned campaign to discredit and destroy all major news outlets that hate the freedoms and duties laid out by the Founding Fathers.
(2) Remind us all, teach and exort, on the conservative North Star - what conservative is, why it is, and how to advance it, teach it, and retake America with it.
War they brought us, and war it shall be.
Carthago delenda est
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I'm not sue why, but for some reason the movie Michael Collins comes to mind.
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It wasn't so much of a change in ideology...
Diogenes314 Friday, November 28th at 11:27PM EST (link)As one of focus. Prior to the 80s he didn’t really say much about these issues. It was his dislike of groups like the moral majority (which I never really understood) that eventually made him more outspoken. As far as it being his younger second wife who was undully inflencing him, His first wife Peggy Goldwater was a founder of the Arizona chapter of Planned Parenthood back in the 30s. Bottom line, you can respect someone like BG for his accomplishments without agreeing with everything he believed, or having to ‘rehabilitate’ him from history.
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You tell me EPU what you think is the best way...
JadedByPolitics Friday, November 28th at 11:48PM EST (link)to go about getting at the treason media and I will be on it with you ASAP!.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Not sure
Neil Stevens Saturday, November 29th at 12:45AM EST (link)Speaking only for myself, not for the Directors, and not knowing for sure, my suspicion is the answer is along the lines of “If you have to ask…”
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Annual CPAC conference
Hammer2008 Saturday, November 29th at 1:03AM EST (link)A RedState presence here would be another start… advertising our grassrootness to the Beltway inner-circle. These conferences are about as far outside the beltway that beltway-types go to.
Oh, and read this book, excerpt:
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Too much noise! “Noise! You’ll have noise enough before long. The Regulars are coming out.” ~ Paul Revere (April 18th, 1775’s eve…)
working on that one, sister
E Pluribus Unum Saturday, November 29th at 11:43AM EST (link)I’ll let you know. The vague outlines of a plan are forming. It’s hardball, as would be anything hatched from the core of EPU.
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I stand at the ready my fine friend!
JadedByPolitics Saturday, November 29th at 1:54PM EST (link)nt
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
The Abortion Sticking Point Worries Me
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 5:18PM EST (link)Precisely because of the message it sends. “Pro-choicers need not apply.” Notice, it does not say “You Can’t Post A Pro-Choice Article on the front page,” it says “You Must Be Pro-Life To Write On Our Front Page.” Think about that.
The message we’re sending is “If you’re not pro-life, you don’t have a valuable input. Not on taxes, not on gay marriage, not on immigration, not on foreign policy. You will not be allowed to be a front page contributor even if you are the world’s leading conservative voice on all of these issues if you are pro-choice.”
If the message we’re sending to people who are conservative in everything except abortion is “F* off,” how can we possibly expect to grow the party? Libertarians? Gone. Security moms? Mostly gone. Without pro-choice voters, we can’t get to 200 electoral votes, much less 270. I’m not saying we should compromise policy-wise on abortion, but I don’t think making pro-choice people think that we don’t consider anything they have to say as having any value is a good way to make an appeal to voters.
That said, this is your site, I’ll continue to play by your rules.
Reading comprehension is your friend.
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 5:51PM EST (link)Well actually, not YOUR friend.
There is nothing whatsoever in the policy that says what you’re expounding.
Pro-choice folks are more than welcome to write their own diaries and contribute in the same as the vast majority of RS regulars who are not front pagers for a whole variety of reasons. The primary reason being that most of us just aren’t good enough commenters to represent RS.
Bottom line, get over it. Please note that there are more than a few of us who would bar moderate elected Republicans from holding key leadership or top committee posts - think Arlen Specter or Lindsey Graham.
In point of fact, the biggest problem we as a Party has is that we are perceived to stand for nothing. And guess what, it’s more than a perception. When you’ve got leaders like McCain, Bohener, Graham, and Specter and a President who won’t defend his policies, in fact you’ve got a party that stands for nothing. And we’ve pretty much stood for nothing since 1988 with a bright moment of glory in 1994 that was quickly squashed by a combination of moderate pinheads and elected officials who like perks and power better than principle.
It's The Implied, Not The Explicit To Which I Object
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 6:39PM EST (link)This is my point. What about the RS commenters who ARE good enough to represent it, and are very conservative, except, perhaps, they think abortion is a states’ rights thing? Or they support embryonic stem cell research, but not abortion? These people who could be very qualified and very strong conservative leaders are to be denied based on a single disagreement over policy?
This is my point. The message you send to these people is “Welcome to our party. We encourage your participation. Just don’t plan on ever being respected for your dedication and accomplishments.”
THIS is how you plan to grow the party and retake the majority?
Note to the professionally offended folk:
E Pluribus Unum Saturday, November 29th at 7:02PM EST (link)That is just tough noogies. If we don’t rate with you because of values we do not share, then you can go pound sand. We are not going to adjust to your idea of what you think we should do.
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Crap.
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 7:10PM EST (link)“Implied not explicit.” Thanks for the really sloppy argument. And it’s wrong. The policy is very explicit. Any implications are in your head and an excuse to whine about your feelings. Take a break, get some cheap cheese-food to go with the whine.
With respect to “dedication and accomplishments” of moderates, take a real hard look at the forty years we spent in the wilderness in the House and the place we are right now. That’s the accomplishment of moderates and the Washington wing of the Party, but I repeat myself. Bottom line, the bastards have accomplished nothing but virtually destroying the Republican Party and working with Democrats to expand the role and reach of government. And, while I’m at it, John McCain and George W. Bush are two of the worst offenders.
How do we win? We chose conservative leaders who stand on conservative, small government (not more efficient government) principles. We chose candidates for national office who espouse those principles and are willing to fight the beltway crowd - including the moderate elected Republican you care so much about - and who can clearly articulate those principles to voters. Do that, we win.
Keep hanging out with the McCain/Graham/Specter/Whitman wing of the party and get ready to enjoy living in a socialist republic. Again, until somebody has the courage to tell moderates that we’re not interested in much of what they have to say because they don’t stand for much.
Not enough 5's exist for this one. -nt-
NightTwister Saturday, November 29th at 7:18PM EST (link)-nt-
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There is no plan...
SteveLA Saturday, November 29th at 7:29PM EST (link)Pippin
There is no plan afoot, no new ideas being cooked up here, no relevancy to the real issues which real people care about. It’s darn the torpedoes…Hard to the Right, full steam ahead to oblivion and greater irrelevancy.
Enjoy the fish!
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Competency over ideological purity
Yet Again, With The Purity
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 7:31PM EST (link)As soon as someone does that, they’ll join the Democrats instead. Good luck winning an election without the Specter/McCain wing of the party. You think the House and Senate look bad now? Imagine what they would look like if Specter, Graham, Collins, Snowe, McCain, and all of their ideological brethren were Democrats.
You are a drooling idiot.
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 7:56PM EST (link)They were all there during the Reagan years. They didn’t have a say in policy. We won.
Since then? Not so much.
You seem to enjoy this Steve
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 7:59PM EST (link)But I find it appalling that people seem so hell-bent on marginalizing us. We’re not the Right To Life Party, that’s a different group. Anyone who thinks you can’t be a Republican and pro-choice at the same time is welcome to go join the Right To Life Party and enjoy their phenomenal electoral success. Meanwhile, I look on as we kick out loyal and competent Republicans with a “good riddance” attitude and I ask “What’s next?” Are we going to run a primary challenge against Kay Bailey Hutchinson? Run a primary challenge against Lisa Murkowski? We’re headed toward 20 senate seats when that starts happening.
You Don't Think They Had A Say?
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 8:01PM EST (link)Reagan appointed TWO pro-choice supreme court justices. Apparently, Ronald Reagan would not be allowed to write front-page articles for RedState were he still alive.
You're sorta right on that one.
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 8:07PM EST (link)Of course, it’s worth noting that the reason we’re in the mess we’re in is because nobody bothered to address any of these issues - like “what does the Party stand for?” - for the last dozen or so years. It’s been Moderate Heaven. And, please note, it’s been the moderate wing of the party that has steered us, full speed ahead, into oblivion and irrelevancy. O&I is the family home for moderates. See Bob Michael’s career.
If the process gets moving and Republicans actually decide to stand for something other than bipartisanship, we’ll start winning. Until then, enjoy the wilderness.
OK.
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 8:09PM EST (link)Yeah
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 8:14PM EST (link)That’s real substantive debate right there. I can tell you care about the future of the party. Are you five?
Try not hyperventilating
SteveLA Saturday, November 29th at 8:18PM EST (link)Pippin
Chill…the hardest of the hard core right that you encounter here on RS and are sparing with do not represent where the party stands on any range of issues, right now or in the future. Matter of fact, the party is turning inward right now not Left and not Right, and will only do more of the same after “The One” is inaugurated. How that is going to turn out beats the heck out of me.
If you want to beleive and spar with the hardest of the hard core posters here on RS and think that they represent mainstream thinking in the Republican brand, knock yourself out, but you’d be wrong and it’s a waste of time. Try instead finding things that you agree with the hard right on, instead of spending so much time finding things you disagree on.
Psst…here’s a small secret, even the hardest of the hard core far right folks here know the Republican brand is not turning their way, and I think that bugs them almost as much as “The One” is going to over the next four years. Hard Right politicians don’t get elected outside of a very few places right now, simple fact, but competent politicians who actually mean what they say and do what they say are getting elected, not ideologues of ether party. Breathe deeply and consider that fact. You’ll be a much happier camper.
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Competency over ideological purity
C'mon, you can't be serious
jeffreywturner Saturday, November 29th at 8:18PM EST (link)You MUST know that those appointments were accidents, don’t you? I mean, you don’t think Reagan KNEW O’Conner & Kennedy would support Roe, do you?
“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”
Are you intentionally dense
bs Saturday, November 29th at 8:19PM EST (link)or is it just accidental?
McCain was the candidate. He lost. We obviously had the “McCain wing of the party” front-and-center in 2008. And it obviously didn’t help. Try reading the many, many postmortems (including several here) that make it clear that “better Left than the Left” doesn’t work. Do a little research before spouting off here. This has been covered ad nauseum over the last three+ weeks here and in many other GOP/conservative circles.
There are certain values that are beyond compromise. Pro-life is one of them. We don’t buckle on what is right just to buy votes. If that’s what you’d like to do, then go right ahead and promote it - you can do it here, even. But you won’t be doing it from the RedState front page. And that is fine by the vast majority of those here.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
The Dems have the same issue to contend with
jeffreywturner Saturday, November 29th at 8:26PM EST (link)But it seems they are smarter about it.
They accept moderate/conservative Dems when they have to. IE: Ben Nelson from Nebraska.
In that same vane, I would be fine with Lindsey Graham if he was the GOP senator from Maine or New Jersey, but there is no excuse for a state like South Carolina to be represented by a moderate. We should only accept moderate/liberal GOPers if they represent states/disctricts where they are the best we could hope for. For instance, if Pataki or Giuliani run for Senate to replace Hillary in 2010, I would be happy to get a GOP seat from New York, even if they aren’t pro-life, pro-gun, etc.
“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”
An election without the Specter/McCain wing
olsmithie Saturday, November 29th at 9:10PM EST (link)Sounds like a dream election.
Lack of a firm stand on many issues by those two, and others has cost us the Congress and now the White House.
I ran into a lot of people that disagreed with Reagan very strongly, but they respected him because you never had to guess where he stood.
Regarding “moderates” such as Specter, every time I turn around it seems someone is bringing up the “big tent” again.
It should be obvious to everyone by now that the ” big tent” “folded.”
Why pursue a losing strategy over and over?
Regards
we're in the mess we're in is because
olsmithie Saturday, November 29th at 9:19PM EST (link)5
Regards
Happy Bunny fits right in with you.
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 9:20PM EST (link)You’ve engaged a discussion on the future of the party and you’ve not said one thing related to policy or issues. The only thing you’ve done is blather and whine about getting your feelings hurt.
Just go away.
What if Specter, Graham, Collins, Snowe, McCain, and all of their ideological brethren were Democrats?
olsmithie Saturday, November 29th at 9:43PM EST (link)I believe that the largest percentage of them are. In views if not party.
Not necessarily the wild eyed,rabid Pelosi type Demoncrat, but more the ’90s liberal Demoncrat.
If only they had the courage to admit it and change parties.
Regards
Fritz Hollings lives!
olsmithie Saturday, November 29th at 9:49PM EST (link)Lindsey Graham is a puzzle I have yet to figure out. How SC could have DeMint on one hand and Lindsey Grahmnesty on the other defies my comprehension.
Perhaps greater minds could explain it.
Regards
My Feelings Are Not Hurt
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 10:03PM EST (link)My feelings aren’t hurt because the rule doesn’t apply to me. It doesn’t affect me in the slightest if pro-choice people can’t post on the front page, except that if that attitude prevails among Republicans, it will just mean bigger Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. Apparently, that’s not something you’re interested in preventing.
I know the argument. “If we only stayed true to principle we could win these elections.” That argument only works if the moderates and centrists respect your convictions even if they disagree with you. That was McCain’s failing, he didn’t realize that voters will accept ideological disagreements if they think you are trustworthy, honest, and down-to-earth. That’s how Obama got such a large percent of the pro-life and anti-tax vote.
HOWEVER, this strategy doesn’t work if you tell the moderates and centrists to go f* themselves. THAT’s what’s worrying me. The most important concept that gets people to go out and vote is a sense of ownership of the outcome, make them feel that they have a personal stake in it. That’s what depressed conservative turnout in states like Ohio this time around, McCain couldn’t do that. It’s important to stay principled, but it’s also important to make moderates feel like they’ve got a stake in the party. Saying that we don’t need them is not a good way to do that.
If They Did
Pippin Saturday, November 29th at 10:10PM EST (link)Then the Democrats would have 70 seats in the Senate. That sounds like fun to you, huh?
You're a fool.
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 10:26PM EST (link)When the Republicans held 55 seats in the Senate and Specter was Chair of the Judiciary just why the hell do you think judicial nominees either couldn’t get hearings or got hearings with no votes and couldn’t get forwarded to the Senate floor (where they would have won acceptance by a wide margin)?
Maybe because the jerkoff who was Committee Chair didn’t give a damn about seeing qualified conservative nominees get to the bench.
The pinheads you’re so proud of pretty well kept any progress from being made in terms of focusing on smaller government or getting conservatives into critical positions. See the UN Ambassador’s job for starters.
Edwin Edwards comment applies to Senators
mbecker908 Saturday, November 29th at 10:30PM EST (link)even more than it applied to him. “The only way I could lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.” They are virtually unbeatable, as are House Members.
It is, after all, a matter of life and death.
olsmithie Saturday, November 29th at 11:23PM EST (link)Literally.
Regards
You Think It Would Be Better
Pippin Sunday, November 30th at 12:06AM EST (link)If the Democrats had 70 senate seats? That seems to be what you’re saying.
Oh.
mbecker908 Sunday, November 30th at 4:06PM EST (link)Make that a damned fool.
RS'09: Radio, .tv, conventions and more ;)
Hammer2008 Sunday, November 30th at 11:47PM EST (link)Redstate should establish a presence on internet radio. I think of WS Radio, which is hosting Sarah Palin radio on Monday’s (for example). They are the worldwide leader in internet radio. A downloadable one-hour/week beginning presence would be a start (interviews, call-ins, etc.)
With expanding 3G and coming 4G technologies, Redstate.tv should have been bought and ready for launch. It would allow feeds on phones as well as standard Web delivery. Reasons resonate in Erick’s points above, to include reporting from the grassroots (uploading video clips, etc.) whereapon anything could be brought in. Local candidate interviews live by locals for RS endorsement, support, etc.
I dig the idea of a slightly more personalized diary where we could display our own Top-5 blogroll, etc.
Can I get a simple print friendly feature with the option of with/without comments? There are times I just want to print and share with co-workers, friends, ya’ know, put ‘education’ in their own hands for follow-up and follow-through.
Establishing a ‘50 targets’ in ‘50 states’ congressional list. Heck, make it votable, whereas the conservative/libertarian grassroots could highlight weaknesses in blue dog Dem’s and other districts. A sort of grassroots bottom-up review vice RNC-driven model. Both could unofficially meet in the middle (*see CPAC conference recommendation).
What would be the plausability of a RedState sponsored Right Root’s convention???
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