Jim Geraghty presents the other side of the NRA coin on the Holder matter here.
I wanted to be sure to highlight it:
The risk of defeat is high, and the rewards for victory are pretty small. And when you pick your hill to die on, you have to recognize that the consequence of failure is that you die.
Beyond differences on strategy and priorities, Erick’s characterization is irksome. Do Wayne LaPierre, John Sigler, Chris Cox, et al., really seem like the kinds of folks who change their minds because Reid and Leahy told them to? Do you really think that “pressure” from those two is all it takes to get the NRA leadership to change their minds? Come on.
Having said that, we also ought to remember that the NRA’s mission is to a cause, not a political party. Erick says “play nice with Democrats” with a sneer, but that’s not a bad thing to a group that is regularly touts itself as willing to work with anyone of any party who backs their agenda — i.e., protecting Second Amendment rights.
Finally, if the NRA scores based on the Holder vote, why not the vote to confirm Cass Sunstein as OIRA Administrator? After all, Sunstein said that hunting should be banned. Why not score the vote on the confirmation of Arne Duncan to be Secretary of Education?
I would say, though, that the Attorney General is a rather big fish dealing with the second amendment, so a score would be proper for him. The NRA itself has made a big deal out of the Holder appointment a month ago. So why not score?
I wouldn’t characterize it as a “hill to die on”. In fact, much of the angst from Judiciary Committee members is that Holder is defeatable, but the NRA won’t aggressively oppose him. Senators fear their NRA score going down more than they fear a bunch of gun toting Jesus freaks calling their offices.
And not only that, the NRA won’t testify against Holder and worked behind the scenes to get the Gun Owners of America uninvited to the hearing.
When Ashcroft limped into the Department of Justice, wounded, due to blistering hearings and a bad roll call vote, the Democrat attack machine clearly served its purpose. A wounded Holder who has to disprove the attacks against his antigun views will be less able to harm the 2nd amendment. A Holder confirmed overwhelmingly because we should expect an antigun nominee will be aggressive in promoting the Brady Agenda.
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Sorry, Jim, but Holder is as big a fish
scottj Tuesday, January 13th at 11:47AM EST (link)as Janet Reno.
Did the NRA roll over on her confirmation?
Sorry, Jim, but Holder is as big a fish
scottj Tuesday, January 13th at 11:47AM EST (link)as Janet Reno.
Did the NRA roll over on her confirmation?
Not an NRA member, but...
MORepublican (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 11:50AM EST (link)I thought the whole point of the organization was to stand up for the 2nd Amendment, when it looks like AG nominee Holder will be enforcing/creating more rules and regs abridging that amendment.
To paraphrase a line from “The American President”: You don’t always fight the fights you can win; you have to fight the fights that are worth fighting for.” Seems to apply here. (I think Martin Sheen says it to Michael Douglas when they are playing pool/billiards).
I understand the logic of Mr. Geraghty’s argument, but I disagree with it. You don’t have to die on this hill, but you can certainly put up more of a spirited opposition than what they are planning.
You add this plus Holder’s other items, and you might be able to defeat him, or at least wound him, like in Ashcroft’s case.
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scottj Tuesday, January 13th at 12:12PM EST (link)I urge you to do what the NRA won’t and apply some pressure:
http://sessions.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.Home
I just sent him this:
Senator,
I ask that you please vote in opposition to the
confirmation of Eric Holder as Attorney General.
Even if the NRA won’t strongly oppose him I do.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/01/12/breaking-national-rifle-association-wusses-out-on-holder/
We do not need a team leader from the group that
brought you the Waco, TX and Ruby Ridge, ID
disasters as well as the gun ban of 1994 as AG.
His anti-2nd Amendment stance is well known.
He signed a brief in opposition to the position the
Supreme Court held in the landmark right to keep and
bear arms case US v. Heller.
That sort of thinking represents a step backward in
the area of civil liberties.
Other complications too.
IL_Glock21 (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 12:42PM EST (link)The NRA isn’t the only generally conservative group adjusting their tactics to the new circumstances in Washington and treading with extreme caution not to overreach early on.
Not sure what their strategy is here with this move, but given the circumstances they may believe this is a hill they could get seriously wounded on and easily shut out of the fight given the current makeup of the gov’t.
The NRA especially being a favorite target of left-wing media/pundits stereotyped as a hate group on par with the KKK while they’re still gushing over their epitome of perfection candidate who has nuanced the race card enough to play it without political worry… the low profile could be out of necessity, or perhaps they’re just being overly cautious.
It seems highly unlikely, however, that they’ve become some traitor to the cause nor would it be wise, as many comments in the other post indicated, to abandon one of the most effective lobbying groups on issues important to them over what may be a matter of political pragmatism (something the NRA is notorious at to get the job done, to the joy of those it benefits and the ire of those who demand an all or nothing right now approach).
It certainly doesn’t seem prudent at this time, as many of those same comments suggested, to have some mass abandonment of the NRA for far less successful groups to cause a split in the movement that would be divided and easily conquered.
My own feelings on the GOA aside (no compromise, no results: no problem – ie the ron paul of gun rights groups), their recent history shows they are more interested in helping libertarian candidates, attacking republican ones, and generally ignoring democrats in their all or nothing pursuits. This was exemplified by their website during the campaign… pro-Paul, anti-McCain, and Obama with a rare mention… all the way to election day, long after Paul was out of the campaign in all but his or his supporters minds.
If your goals are to have results in blocking intrusions into our rights during this ordeal, such a move seems unwise.
If your goal is to see the GOP back in power, aiding groups that happily advocate its destruction so it can be rebuilt in Ron Paul’s image (ie make the GOP as effective as the LP), also seems to be a bad idea.
Neither post has advocated this, but the vilification certainly seemed to encourage it, even if unintentionally. I can’t say with any certainty if their strategy behind this move is the best approach or if they’re being overly cautious, so the complaints and pressure are certainly not out of line by any means. I worry when the tone and accusations go so far as to potentially fracture the movement, though.
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In that the Second Amendment is my only
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:05PM EST (link)political litmus test, I am as rabid as anyone on this issue. However, the Second Amendment and gun regulations and the interaction of the DOJ are about 1000 times more complex than say the abortion issue.
It is in the crappy, boring, non-publicized regulatory hearings where the NRA has to fight its battles week in and week out. The NRA has to maintain the credibility of rational thought to be effective at the regulatory level. The GOA long since abandoned that concept to score poltical points with its dues payers.
While killing the King is often a very good idea, you had better make sure you kill him. A wounded AG will have a 1000 little opportunities, unencumbered by political considerations, to even a score.
As such, in this case, prudence is the better part of valor.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
He's not up for King, he's up for Attorney General
Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 1:56PM EST (link)Besides, the old ‘make sure you kill the King’ adage is outdated. Democrats never out-and-out killed George Bush politically, but they did bring him down quite a bit with a thousand small cuts.
If we can just at a minimum nick the Achilles tendon of Holder with this fight, we can make sure he’ll never be able to take off at a full run against us.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
What gets me is that Arlen provided a perfect opening.
bk (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:01PM EST (link)With Specter obviously against the guy, it was a rare chance for moderate and conservative Republicans to work hand in hand.
This reasoning is shallow and dangerous
streiff (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:18PM EST (link)If the NRA isn’t willing to fight over Holder one wonder’s which nominee they are willing to fight. From a 2d Amendment perspective, there really isn’t a more important post in the Executive.
The arguments about counting the vote is a classic non sequitur. Will Sunstein or Duncan be making policy on 2d Amendment issues? I think not, but if they are then votes for them should be counted also.
The fact is that not only did Holder file an amicus brief in Heller he has criticized the Court’s decision in adamant, though remarkably stupid, terms.
It seems as though the NRA is not only rushing to curry favor with the new regime, it is trampling anyone in its way.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, January 13th at 2:20PM EST (link)Our movement needs fewer go along, get along types.
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