A Question About Rush’s ‘Conservative’ Critics


Are any of Rush’s critics actual solid conservatives with a record of accomplishment? David Frum worked in the White House for about five minutes and is pro-abortion. Rod Dreher’s writing bursts with contempt for middle America conservatives, Michael Steele is a Christine Todd Whitman Republican, Ross Douthat is busy redefining conservatism, etc.

Rush has been fighting for us on the front lines for two decades and he has proven he can make a difference in elections and policy for the better. I love the guy just for making me smile on a daily basis. These other turds who want us to sideline our most proven warrior do nothing but tear down others to elevate themselves, and none of them have proven any lasting success that we can trust. They preach about big tents, inclusion and broad appeal, but they can’t stop condescending to the majority of the Republican Party that consider themselves Rush Limbaugh conservatives. I’m so sick of these leeches.

Oh, and have any of these critics ever actually won an election?

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I cant agree with you more Erick

victor_cocchia Monday, March 2nd at 11:43PM EST (link)

I dont listen to Rush all that often (in fact I hardly ever listen to radio) but I thought his speech on Saturday had some very salient points. He was dead on accurate about our need to stop pandering to the left, and I thought he explained his “obama fail” comment quite well. It made perfect sense.

I think that this is, as you say, a very concerted effort to get the “party” to move left in order to appeal to what they mistakenly think is the center, but for all intents and purposes, is the “center” as defined by the far left of the Democratic party. Its almost like the Conservative party in England, who after their defeat by Blair for so many years went back and left their roots and have come back much farther left than they were before. Its a shame.

Electing Steele, while a very nice man, is horrible for the party. Ken Blackwell was the only real choice, and unfortunately, just like during this primary season, the conservatives in the party were swallowed up and a moderate emerged. If we are not careful we could end up with the same thing happening in 12, with Pawlenty or worse Crist, coming out as the nominee, which I believe would please this current crop of “party leaders” just fine.

..but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper No. 29

I'm starting to really think Jindal is the one

JoeG Tuesday, March 3rd at 1:50AM EST (link)

In 2000, Limbaugh anointed G.W. Bush. He really went out on a limb and backed Bush hard. The way Bush locked up the money folks early was a key part, but I also do believe Rush was a significant factor too.

In 2008 Rush pretty much sat out the primary other than to take a few potshots at McCain.

I do not believe Rush will sit out the next primary. I suspect he’s already picked Jindal. Rush made the “introduction” last year and Jindal has been on the show. Rush ALWAYS speaks highly of Jindal and calls him the next Reagan. That’s a pretty powerful force to be allied with.

Jindal

DL80 Tuesday, March 3rd at 8:21AM EST (link)

First things first, I’m a liberal. I don’t post here much because I don’t want to be trolling.

That being said, I’m not sure Jindal is your best choice. Fairly or not, the whole exorcism story is going to get blown out of proportion and done to death by the media if Jindal runs. Now, to be fair, Obama has some crazy stories in his past, as well, and it did not seem to hurt him much. But I don’t see the media being as fair or lenient with Jindal because I do think the media clearly supported Obama in a way that they won’t with Jindal.

That doesn’t mean Jindal shouldn’t run or that he won’t win, but conservatives had better jump on the counterpoints now to downplay it. I think Jindal is a pretty good example of real conservatism, though I don’t agree with him on anything and am very uncomfortable with his religious background. But that a liberal totally disagrees with him probably means he’s an excellent choice to run. I also don’t like Palin, but I think her negatives are probably too high to be able to win (fair or not).

I am torn on the whole compromising your principles issue. Every group has to make this call at some point and it’s never easy. I think that perhaps conservatives need to find a way to compromise on the principles that are not core to your goals and stay strong on the ones that are. That way you can look cooperative and bipartisan without giving up the points that really matter. I’m not sure which goals can be safely compromised, though. I’m curious if anyone here has any ideas as to what can or cannot be compromised.

I hope you don't expect us to listen you, right?

Rod_Patrick Tuesday, March 3rd at 8:51AM EST (link)

But thanks for the effort, anyway.

WRT negatives:

In a fair playing field, Obama’s negatives will make him look like a DEMON as compared to the so-called negatives that your liberal MSM are throwing at Jindal and Palin.

True

DL80 Tuesday, March 3rd at 9:06AM EST (link)

I’m not trying to give you strategies or tell you what to do, obviously. I’m asking what you all think. I happen to think it’s important that there be an opposition party that offers real alternative to liberal ideas. I want those liberal ideas to win, obviously, but I want them to have to compete and win fairly (when they make sense) rather than just be the only game in town. When everyone is for big government, no one has to make a choice. That, in my opinion, is not healthy for our country.

Sorry but you're inconsistent.

Rod_Patrick Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:20AM EST (link)

Read your post again and look what you have written. This line doesn’t support your claim that you’re not

“trying to give…. strategies or tell…. what to do.”

“Compromise” you say?

The former President has compromised the entire Republican Party and Conservative principles by the way.

So there’s nothing more to compromise … except our spiritual beliefs which are sacred to us.

Liberal ideas to win?

Check out the line “I won” by the seating President Obama. So get real. You have won the White House. And good luck!

By the way, liberal ideas have been running show since 2006 particularly in the matters of the economy, Bush policies, actions and inactions in the last 2 years of his Administration were generally “liberal”, if not under the hat of “false bipartisanship.”

Bush a bipartisan? YES. Just remember how many liberals were working in the Bush Administration in the last 6 or 4 years. Just remember the line “We want you to succeed” by the previous President. Bush is really a “bipartisan” President…. in the same feather with McCain.

What we think?

  • Bipartisanship….. NOT healthy IMHO;
  • Please know this thing about what the conservatives really think: Majority of us really hated the Bush positions in 2008 including the First Stimulus Package;
  • Nowadays, liberals like you have their beloved Real Democrat President in the WH. Now, you are completely getting what you have wanted for so long…100% pure Liberal band. Please…. take the responsibility of making it happen and for whatever it worths to the country.
  • As per MSM, we are a very minority party, a dead party, our principle are just things of the past. That’s what the Dems and the MSM want us to think. So that’s fine with us. We are now really like in the original black slaves…. mocked and chastised in the public. The difference? We will never cry and never give up.
  • Our plan of action: Nothing unusual. Like the founding fathers, we will continue to fight for our rights, make earnings and profit for our respective families, and try as much as possible not to become “dependent” of this so-called Big Government of yours.
  • What we do and think for the time being? We watch, analyze, and make concrete actions..
     
     
     

    Just curious, which principals could be compromise on

    Brian Hibbert Tuesday, March 3rd at 9:17AM EST (link)

    to win your vote?

    Freedom? This is our core principal.
    Personal Responsibility? You can’t maintain a free society without it.
    Equality under the Law? Likewise, freedom depends upon the law treating everyone the same.

    Which one could I abandon to get you to agree with me?

    Socialism doesn’t work. It looks nice on paper, but it’s been tried and it’s failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
    Proud member of the V.R.W.C.

    Compromise

    DL80 Tuesday, March 3rd at 9:24AM EST (link)

    To be honest, you aren’t going to get my vote, at least not without becoming liberal. The question should be, how can you get the moderates’/independents’ votes.

    Compromising on those core values does not make any sense for anyone. I am thinking more about policy. I wouldn’t expect conservatives to compromise on abortion as it is related to the core value of a culture of life. But on that note, there could be compromise on the death penalty, which would reinforce that notion that life is of utmost importance, even when some people don’t deserve it. Same thing goes with torture.

    What about the drug war? No compromise on harder drugs, but what about loosening the war on marijuana use? Would fit with your core value of keeping government out of people’s lives when they are not hurting anyone else.

    What about really pushing hard for nuclear energy rather than oil? Liberals hate nuclear energy for some arbitrary reasons, but moderates could be convinced. At the very least, it could work as a stopgap until renewable energy is actually practical.

    I’m not saying conservatives should compromise on these issues, but I do want there to be a strong opposition party (which I don’t think the GOP currently is) that forces us all to argue our policies.

    I didn't think we'd get your vote.

    Brian Hibbert Tuesday, March 3rd at 9:40AM EST (link)

    But it may surprise you to find out that many of us hold exactly the positions that you are suggesting.

    Your helpful comment on torture is an insult. It’s somewhat akin to “Have you quit beating your wife?” No one on our side supports torture and we never have.

    Good of you to allow us to continue to be against killing babies. You’re right, it’s one issue it would be difficult to compromise on. The death penalty? I’d give you an abolition of the death penalty if you’d give me an abolition of abortion. That’s a compromise I could live with.

    I’ve got mixed feelings about the drug war. I’m about to the point where I think we’d be better off legalizing it and taxing the heck out of it. But then I look at some members of my family who have destroyed their lives with the stuff and I go back the other way. And the stuff they’re using isn’t the harder stuff, it’s pot (mostly, but pot truly is a gateway).

    We HAVE been pushing for Nukes, and wind and geothermal and ethanol and everything else in addition to oil. As you say, liberals tend to be antinuke (due to their 60’s protest mentality).

    I’m glad you want someone to argue against your side’s policies. Sounds like they frighten you too. Can you step up and argue against some of the more hair brained stuff? Or at least argue against the stimulus bill that was 80% pork 20% stimulus? Or argue against the massive increase in debt that Obama proposed in his new “new deal” budget? Or take a stand against the shutdown of free speech your side is advocating? Or take a stand against anything? Something? Please?

    Socialism doesn’t work. It looks nice on paper, but it’s been tried and it’s failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
    Proud member of the V.R.W.C.

    Mea Culpa

    DL80 Tuesday, March 3rd at 11:55AM EST (link)

    I did not mean to insinuate that conservatives are for torture. We can debate whether waterboarding is torture, which many conservatives do support. But aside from that, conservatives have perhaps not been vocal or clear enough in denouncing torture and/or making the case that waterboarding does not count as torture.

    I also apologize for implying that conservatives are one bloc with unanimous positions. Liberals are not that way, and neither are conservatives. The loudest voices on DKos and here and other places tend to shout down the dissenting views.

    As for my own positions, here is where I stand on compromising. I would support nuclear power (instead of increased oil drilling) as at least a stopgap measure, and potential into perpetuity. I am nervous about what to do with the waste, but I am hopeful that there will eventually be a solution to it.

    I am cautiously optimistic about clean or at least cleaner coal. I think the first priority needs to be getting off foreign oil by any means necessary, including using coal. Then we can debate about the merits (and possibility or lack thereof) of getting off our own oil and coal. I think a huge amount of the tension in the Middle East is either created or exacerbated by the money other countries pump into Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Dubai, etc. in exchange for oil. To me, that is a bigger priority than the environment, at least for now.

    I am not happy about the pork that was in the stimulus bill, and I am annoyed by liberals who want to pretend that there was none. That being said, I’m willing to accept the relatively small amount of pork in exchange for policies that I mostly agree with, including the stimulus in general.

    I am conflicted about abortion. It is a difficult issue for me. I do not support abortion after viability (say 5 months) except in very rare cases. I support free choice for abortion before viability. I accept that this is not an easy logical position and I don’t feel great about, but alternative positions seem worse to me. I think of it as the lesser of two evils. I don’t support partial birth abortion.

    I am somewhat conflicted about the drug war because I know people do often have problems from smoking pot. That being said, it’s not as harmful as either alcohol or cigarettes, in my opinion, and I think we are better off taxing it and going after the harder drugs.

    I think we probably can agree on some things, and I think that is what politics is supposed to be. Agree where we can and fight like hell on the things we can’t. I personally think Bobby Jindal is a very smart guy with a pretty amazing story. If a conservative is going to be president, my first hope is that they are at least a good person, which Jindal is. I think he probably is the best choice for conservatives, and I’m nervous that the media (which has definitely been biased for liberals) will attack Jindal unfairly. I also don’t give a crap about whether his response speech was good or bad. Whatever, no one is going to remember it in 2 years.

    I also refuse to get caught up in worrying about what Rush Limbaugh thinks or does. I don’t think he wants America to fall into a Depression. I think that he sees no way Obama’s policies will work (so far, he’s right). It is not Rush’s job to hope Obama succeeds. Liberals sure as hell did not hope Bush succeeded in Iraq. To me, Rush is no different or worse than Keith Olbermann on our side.

    That's an honest response and listing

    civil_truth Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:15PM EST (link)

    But here’s what I see as the fault line between moderates and conservatives/liberals.

    You see, when it comes down to horsetrading and building coalitions for specific policies, this is where the conservatives here and someone like you can sit and and figure out where we stand on the different issues and see what accomodations we can make and where are differences are not bridgeable.

    The problem is when you start at that stage. What many of us (and I think this is what Rush at his core is trying to get to) understand, that many moderates do not, is that you have to start with a coherent set of principles and belief which structure you thinking so that you can formulate and evaluate specific policies. Figure out what is core, and what is derivative.

    The radicals of the left under whose tutelage Obama was raise and formed have a vision that is diametrically opposite that of conservative (and what we would argue is fundamentally American) values - we value individual freedom, limited government, sanctity of contract, common defense against external enemies - for instance.

    Implementation is up for debate (and you raise some valid questions regarding the possible contractions between values and policy. But the conversation I can have is going to be radically different depending on whether you (hypothetically) generally accept these conservative values or subscribe to opposing values.

    What is frustrating about “moderates” - and I encounter plenty of them - is that they often are so concerned about appear “reasonable” and seeking conciliation that they end up finessing supporting any set of values (since values by defintion are polarizing) and end up focusing on the current wind direction among the electorate - which can shift the other way tomorrow and blow everything away.

    Rather,e need to ascertain truth, not seek calm as a prime directive. We need to elaborate a set of conservative principles and apply them to move the debate in our direction by building a solid foundation. You know, the old parable about building on rock versus sand.

    “Public opinion” is sand.

    Great point

    DL80 Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:24PM EST (link)

    I totally agree with you. And I believe there needs to be a strong conservative party to debate liberal policies. And I will admit that some liberal policies are ridiculous. Only a strong conservative party can effectively attack them. I think the GOP needs to decide 2 major questions: 1) Are they going to be conservative or conservative-lite? 2) Are they going to be paleoconservative (think Palin, Jindal, etc.) or secular conservative (Romney, Giuliani, McCain)?

    I hope they decide for real conservative as the answer to #1. I don’t know if the answer to #2 matters that much to liberals. If they go paleoconservative, there will be a much starker contrast with liberals, which is probably a good thing. I wonder if that may push away the business types, though (who also won’t feel comfortable in the Democratic Party). If they pick secular conservative, where will religious conservatives go? Can the GOP continue to hold together both groups? Maybe.

    Your labels of #2 are neither accurate nor standard

    civil_truth Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:49PM EST (link)

    I see you’re trying think sort things out.That’s good. But in trying to understand the terrain without a proper map, you’ve managed to fall into quicksand because you map was drawn by liberals. (It’s like the early European maps of the world that took creative liberties with those parts of the world that the map makers had not explored or had misinterpreted.)

    First, paleoconservative refers to the nativist-protectionist extremists like Pat Buchanan.

    You’re trying to define a division between “secualr conservatives” and those who put more focus on “social” issues, many of whom are religious - or what liberals like to call the “religious right”. But the latter is more a creation of the leftist imagination than reality, and Palin and Jindal wouldn’t be part of the “religious right” even if that entity actually existed.

    But really, if you want to understand conservatism, the place to start is to see conservatism as restiing on three legs: social issues, fiscal issues (which includes the small government values), and defense issues.

    Some who would call themselves conservatisms rest on three legs, some rest on two, and some rest on one. Beyond that, there is the question of priorities and how much weight one puts on each leg.

    The challenge that we face is to draw the boundaries as to what combination of legs and priorities comprises conservatism, and what does not. It’s not two opposting movements.

    And beware when you attach names to these poles - the liberal mindset these days tends to be personality driven, where conservatives are content-driven, and attaching names is strictly for convenience - individuals do not constitute the definition of the conservative movement. Not even Rush

     
     

    I don't think there really are "moderates" as

    Achance Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:33PM EST (link)

    that term is so often used. It is really all about how far and for what reasons a person will compromise. The extremist on either side rarely accomplishes anything when a majority or a consensus is required; not enough people see it his way. It is, however, very, very easy to be the extremist when you’re not the one whose name is on the door or who has the vote - as some of the more strident voices here demonstrate.

    Then there is the principled person from the left or right. In order to get something accomplished, he has to move off his most favored position. It then becomes a balancing test of how far from his most favored position he is willing to move in order to get a majority or a consensus for action. At some point, you have to walk away from a deal and accept getting nothing done because the price of getting something done is too high.

    Then there is the squish, and I include most Republican elected officials in the squish characterization. These people are COMPELLED to DO SOMETHING. They cannot bear the confrontation of walking away from their opponent/adversary and saying “no deal.” Consequently, there is no bright line of principle beyond which these people will not go. They will go all the way over to the adversary’s side if necessary to make SOMETHING HAPPEN. They are sad, sad people to have to work with and, especially, work for - you always feel the saw working on that limb you’re standing on.

    In Vino Veritas

    Not to mention it's the limb they're standing on too

    civil_truth Tuesday, March 3rd at 1:07PM EST (link)

    You do make a good distinction between the squish and what I would call the pragmatist (and as opposed to the visionary/idealist or the ideologue).

    (The visionary/idealist and ideologue has an abiding sense of personal purity that feels sullied if they feel that they are accepting less than 100%. Now we do need a few purists to keep us honest, but a movement entirely consisting of purists will spinter and self-destruct or turn violent. This is characteristic of the far left, as humorously displaying in The Life of Brian” but I see this almost religious intensity in certain far-right groups too.)

    The distinction I think is that the squish has no core principles and therefore is driven by their own psychological needs for validation, which usually comes from feeling like they’ve “done something” because that is the way they feel they make a difference in the world.

    The pragmatist, on the other hand, starting from a principled position, is willing to step up to get their hands “dirty” in order to implement their ideas their ideas in the real world where they can’t get everyone to do it their way.

    The distinction from the squishes is that for the squish, negotiation and compromise are the end, because they’re psychologically invested in that - where as the pramatist see negotiation and compromise as a necessary means to an end - and are will to back off and either walk away or slug it out in the trenches.

    Interesting Points All

    DL80 Tuesday, March 3rd at 1:15PM EST (link)

    I’ll think some more about it. I do appreciate the candid discussion; there is no liberal/conservative discussion at a place like Daily Kos. And I also am embarrassed that almost every liberal that comes here (self-described or not) is trolling. I’ll do my best to avoid that.

    It helps that...

    bs Tuesday, March 3rd at 2:36PM EST (link)

    you didn’t try to pretend to be a Republican and/or conservative. I think most of us respect a lefty that conducts “truth in advertising”. This is actually one of the more rational exchanges I’ve seen like this on RS. You are to be commended for not going all weird on us (yet… ;-) )

    Decorum is fo’ suckas

    Ha, I'll take the compliment

    DL80 Tuesday, March 3rd at 5:49PM EST (link)

    Well, I think it’s all a matter of understanding audience. I’m not going to be dumb enough to come in and start throwing out liberal ideas and challenging conservative points. A) I’m not going to convince anyone here of those points anyway, so that’s a waste of time. B) It’s rude.

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

    Looking Down on Limbaugh Conservatives

    Socrates Monday, March 2nd at 11:50PM EST (link)

    It’s easy to say “Limbaugh is not an intellectual” or that he is imperfect personally. It’s also clear that he repels some people.

    But what is equally clear is that he is very smart and a great communicator of what he believes. I think he’s better than Obama at that, and for proof I offer his ability to speak for over an hour without note or aid. Perhaps a comparison is inapt, because Obama uses his powers to obscure what he believes rather than to convey it.

    And Limbaugh puts some people off, with his self-assurance and faux pomposity. Once you listen long enough to know which is which, it’s really quite fun to imagine his critics’ blood pressure.

    But what is most clear about those who look down on Limbaugh conservatives is that it is they, and not we, who are the arrogant ones. If you talk to people out here in the hinterlands, you’ll find that a goodly percentage of his listeners agree with Rush on almost everything. But you won’t find any who agree with him about absolutely everything, even if they offer “dittos”.

    I could go on, but I won’t.


    Gone 2500 years, still not PC.

    Good Post Soc.

    UpLateAgain Tuesday, March 3rd at 3:07AM EST (link)

    Here’s the difference: The longer you listen to Rush, the more you tend to agree with what he’s saying. Even die-hard liberals sometimes convert. The longer you listen to Obama, the more you realize he speaks in platitudes, saying little (though admittedly with great style - he says nothing better than anybody I ever heard), and the less you trust what he’s putting out. Folks that don’t want to get past the cult of personality will follow Obama through the gates of Hell (I THINK that’s where he’s headed, so they’ll get the first-hand experience). People that actually pay attention to politics and what is really being said have an easy choice to make.

    You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

     
     

    Old liberal tactic, why do we fall for it?

    myfreedomfirst Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:08AM EST (link)

    Regardless of what anyone says about Rush, Bush, Palin, Joe the Plumber, and Rick Santelli, the liberal Democrats are trying to distract the public when they attack these people. DON’T FALL FOR IT!

    Attacking Rush will not create jobs.
    Attacking Rush will not save everyones 401K plan.
    Attacking Rush will not stimulate the economy.

    The Democrats need to be attacked for changing the topic! Every time Obama speaks, every cries as their retirement funds melts away! And with the Democrats spending like crazy, when the bill comes due, they will just stop sending out the Social Security checks and tax refunds. You can be certain the Democrats will blame anyone but themselves for such disasters.

    Not only fall for it, but enable and promote it.

    Praying Tuesday, March 3rd at 8:43AM EST (link)

    We get right into the dialogue. Look up the comment thread - if I read one more comment on Rush on this site, I’m going to have to take a few days off (she says, after going through withdrawal the 15 hours the website was down for maintenance recently). It’s fine if the libs focus on Rush - that keeps them from focusing on the real issues. But we have to use that distraction to our advantage - a time to get down to real business while the libs are imploding their sorry little brains over Rush or some other real or imagined threat. We cannot afford to jump into the dialogue. I have always thought that the GOP/conservatives had the advantage in that they acted with class and did not lower themselves to the rooting behavior of the liberals - but I’m not so sure anymore. Rush Limbaugh can defend himself - we do not need to fight this battle - we have many more important issues to be concentrating on!
    Threatening

     
     

    The next time ...

    thirteen28 Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:18AM EST (link)

    … one of these guys accomplishes something that actually advances conservatism, it will be the first.

    Rush did more on Saturday to advance conservatism than Frum, Douthat, Brooks, et al. have done in their entire careers. And if you look at Rush’s entire career, his accomplishments in advancing conservatism dwarfs these puny little clowns.

    No wonder they are envious of him.

     

    He's not an elite

    momac Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:23AM EST (link)

    He long ago figured out that the only reason you get popular with lefties is if you constantly undercut your own side, showing your ‘openness’. I’m sure his critics have a TON of our opposition just adoring them as their token Repub that understands how messed up conservatives are. Very popular at parties.

    Rush is relentlessly positive, he’s doing it every day, and while he gets a few things wrong, and a few things maybe aren’t as humorous as he thinks, he’s the only 3 hours of talk I can always handle listening to. He is there to inspire, not to bring you down.

    And he understands the way forward to victory is by focusing on freedom, not some half-baked moderation of the complete opposite of freedom.

    As a side not I didn’t think Steele was that bad on that show, his first sentence was defending Rush, and his ‘ugly’ comment was probably just poorly chosen. I think as head of the RNC, he might not be far off calling some of the Shanklin songs ugly. He’s got to stay above all that. Anyway, they’ll work it out.

     

    I share their glee

    katesmith Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:35AM EST (link)

    An AP story tonight says the left is gleeful as it handcuffs (in their mind) the Republican Party to Rush. They’re sure that Rush only attracts ultra conservatives (ie crazies), that ‘normal’ republicans would be repelled at the idea, and therefore will leave the party. While I’m not gleeful at anyone being cuffed, it appears the left wants the so-called Republican party to stand for the same things I do.

    You hit the nail right on the head katesmith

    jadad Tuesday, March 3rd at 1:18AM EST (link)

    The left DOES want the Republican party to be handcuffed to stand for the same things you and Rush do. The left is convinced that Rush and his followers are a passionate and loud, but ultimately relatively small group who can be marginalized as “wingnuts”. That is the bet that they are placing right now.

     
     

    Rush is an a-hole.

    Canadian fake conservative Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:37AM EST (link)

    But he’s our a-hole.

    And that’s why we love him.

    lol

    $peciallist Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:43AM EST (link)

    very good…

    VERY well stated slimjimbim

    jadad Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:48AM EST (link)

    It is okay to admit that he is in fact an a******-A man with well documented personal failings, but he articulately and passionately lays out the arguments that so many Redstaters love. There is no need to be “PC” when you can make so many true conservatives fall in love with their value system all over again.

     
     

    I was unaware that he was popular in Canada, too. NT

    Moe Lane Tuesday, March 3rd at 12:45AM EST (link)
     

    Aren't these "pundits"

    davo119 Tuesday, March 3rd at 2:58AM EST (link)

    the same ones who insisted on John McCain as being the future of the Republican party? Fat lot of good that did. It seems like they’re still insisting even as the US and the world augers into the ground.

    Never give in! Never! Never! Never!

     

    Mike Steele Made a Gaffe...

    Josh LeGuern Tuesday, March 3rd at 3:25AM EST (link)

    and he apologized for it, I don’t think it’s fair to call him a Christine Todd Whitman Republican, Erick. I know you aren’t the biggest fan of Chairman Steele, but with all due respect, I think it’s a little unfair.

    The truth is, the media is trying to drive wedges between people like Michael Steele, Eric Cantor, Rush Limbaugh and other conservative leaders in the party. They want Steele and Cantor to be seen as the sensible ones and Rush to be marginalized.

    We need to be united. We may disagree on one thing or another, but we need to stand together and I think we fall victim to the left’s strategy if we begin to do this.

    There is still the connection with the Republican Main Street Partnership

    tcgeol Tuesday, March 3rd at 5:07PM EST (link)

    That isn’t exactly a bastion of solid conservatism. Steele has separated himself somewhat and I applaud that, but it is a real concern that he helped start it in the first place.

    Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger

     

    There's a track record here, though

    E Pluribus Unum Tuesday, March 3rd at 5:47PM EST (link)

    Let’s just say that he was the 6th-most conservative of the RNC candidates, and that was not exactly a secret. He’s been moderate-to-somewhat-conservative all along.

    A stunt like this is a very large mark against a guy who did his best to assure conservatives that he was going to stand up for them.

    Carthago delenda est

     
     

    Absolutely right Erick

    Scott Mustian Tuesday, March 3rd at 7:02AM EST (link)

    Rush’s critics don’t realize that he has been carrying the most consistent conservative message without fail for 20 years. Even the “idea man” Newt Gingrich will veer off in the weeds when gets too excited . If only the Republican party would understand that core principles of conservatism are the only way to communicate the vision of the party. No apology, no qualifications … American respect principles and vision but the Republican party has refused to promote or follow this for years.

    Rush is the only one living this and we are so lucky to have him. With conservative values as the core, the ideas for growth of our country will flow and prosper. I can still remember how I naively thought that 2005 would be the year that the Republicans showed the country what conservatives could … I did not realize how few conservatives we actually elected.

    Scott

    Scott Mustian

     

    Limbaugh is the heart of conservatism right now

    tankertodd Tuesday, March 3rd at 10:24AM EST (link)

    Limbaugh has several advantages that make him the closest thing we have to True North on conservatism.

    Longevity. He’s been around for decades, so he brings the view of experience, from the Reagan era to the Bush era.

    Independence. Since he never had to run for office he never had to compromise his views. They are pure.

    Clarity. Rush is a phenomenal speaker. He is better than Obama. I was riveted Saturday night. I’m amazed that he could be so entertaining for 1.5 hours when only scheduled for 20 minutes.

    Rush quite simply deserves the deference that he gets from the Republican Party. I’ll stand with Rush before I stand with Republicans.

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    The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race - Chief Justice Roberts

     

    Good post Erick, and I agree with most of it

    The_Gadfly Tuesday, March 3rd at 1:55PM EST (link)

    I think you are being a bit hard on Michael Steele.

    I think Eric Holder was right about us being cowards about race; just not the way HE thinks we are cowards about race. Shelby Steele called it White Guilt in his book by the same title: we are afraid to confront blacks who use racism as a cudgel to get the policies they want.

    I think on the Sunday show, to some extent Michael Steele was reacting as a black man, not as a Republican or even just as human. There have been other black conservatives who’ve had tsimilar thoughts, some of whom may even have voted for Obama in November, but whose opinions I respect. There is a certain sense in which rooting for Obama’s failure is the same as rooting for the US to fail in Iraq (I believe the comparison to be more fundamentally flawed than true, but there is a connection which leads down the wrong path). And I think the combination probably hit him like an unexpected gut punch so he reacted accordingly in what he said.

    Then Michael Steele did neither Obama, nor any of his minions can do: he called Rush and talked to him. And after they finished talking, he spoke as a Republican and a human. He agreed the Rush and he have more in common than differences, and that the coordinated attack on him and Rush by Obama and the MSM made it clear that he and Rush would have to work together, because there are things more important to the future of our Republic than any petty differences between them. This action alone makes him worthy of our respect.

    I disagree with Steele on many things. He is from the libertarian wing of conservatism, and I hail from the the paleo- wing. But Steele is not in the same class of Rinos as Frum, Douthat, Whitman, or Spectre. I am likely to frequently regard Steele as an opponent, but never an enemy. And I DO regard the other people on that list as enemies, as surely as I regard Obama himself as an enemy of the spirit of liberty for which has historically invigorated America.

    We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

    -AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

    If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

    inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

    And for the record, even though I work

    The_Gadfly Tuesday, March 3rd at 1:58PM EST (link)

    deep inside the steel and concrete of a non-descript building where I can’t get AM signal to listen to Rush, on those rare occasions when I do catch his show, he has always found him to be spot on.

    We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

    -AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

    If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

    inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

     
     

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