First, you’ll have to remember David Shuster does not like me very much. Back during campaign season, David Shuster tried to ambush Marsha Blackburn (R-TN). He tried to launch a left wing smear against her and got his own data wrong. After you guys all called MSNBC, he was forced to do an on-air apology to Rep. Blackburn. So he doesn’t like RedState or me.
That probably explains this email I found in my spam.
Erick Erickson,
I don’t know who you are or how you get your information. Clearly, you can’t be bothered to do some actual reporting and check it out. None the less, I have never participated in any e-mail list serve to collaborate with anybody outside of NBC News to form news stories. Furthermore, until I was directed to your blog, I had never even heard that there might even be a list-serve for bloggers, policy guys, and journalists to collaborate on-line.
Please correct your posting. And next time you want to publish an allegation that involves me, how about e-mailing me first? Journalism 101, remember? To that end, please name your “source” of your posting so everybody knows who burned you. Or, did you just make up the info yourself?
David
I don’t know who you are
I’m the guy who got enough people to call MSNBC to complain about your stunt with Blackburn that you were forced to issue an on-air apology.
I have never participated in any e-mail list serve to collaborate with anybody outside of NBC News to form news stories.
So, what you are saying then is that the left-wing blogosphere has become part of NBC News?
until I was directed to your blog, I had never even heard that there might even be a list-serve for bloggers, policy guys, and journalists to collaborate on-line.
So, David is apparently admitting he doesn’t keep up with the news, particularly the hot news of the day?
I don’t think so. I think he’s full of it and now on the defensive just like all the other lefties running for cover after this story broke. He does not want to be accused of collaborating with the left when we all know there is no way he comes up with hit jobs like he pulled on Blackburn by himself.
Journalism 101, remember?
Journalism 101 — is that where they teach you to throw a dead soldier’s name around for points on television and then get your facts wrong? Is it, David?
please name your “source” of your posting so everybody knows who burned you. Or, did you just make up the info yourself?
I’ve got credible people who have knowledge of the list telling me you are on the list. I believe you are on the list. Put another way, I believe you have more incentive to lie about not being on the list than those telling me you are on the list have incentive to lie to me.
And if they have gotten confused as to which list you are on, then you aren’t on the journalist list, but the activist list.
*Ezra Klein emails to say Shuster is not on the list and the person telling me Shuster is on the list is lying to me. How about we get a list of who all is on the list and we’ll know for sure who is lying? The guy emailing me may be fallible, but he has never lied to me before on stuff and he’s damn well connected to these lefty reporters.
on your last point
bk Tuesday, March 17th at 10:16PM EDT (link)Just do it the MSM way and say “There are those who say that you are on the list. Can you disprove that? … I thought not, so it must be true.”
Hey Erick....
usrbinperl Tuesday, March 17th at 10:20PM EDT (link)publish the address of the listserv box… your faithful will tell you exactly who’s on that list
I wish I knew it
Erick Erickson Tuesday, March 17th at 10:22PM EDT (link)Because I’d encourage that.
Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?
It'll come out eventually. The information has value, now.
Moe Lane Tuesday, March 17th at 10:30PM EDT (link)Somebody on that listserve now will figure out a way to cash in.
Check out my new blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (blogging-related) wish list.
Exactly. And it will have existed longer than has been indicated.
spainishirish Tuesday, March 17th at 10:35PM EDT (link)nt
Good work.
spainishirish Tuesday, March 17th at 10:34PM EDT (link)I can’t believe Shuster or MSNBC even would bother to issue a denial. The “network” has been so transparently biased that it almost has crossed the line into in-kind (and illegal) campaign contributions for years. I want to check it out first, but apparently the parent company GE’s poor financial shape has not been forgotten recently, and therer’s your quid. If real enterprise journalism still existed, I imagine we would find the email list serve has existed for much longer than has been exposed.
Ouch!
briefsynopsis Tuesday, March 17th at 10:36PM EDT (link)Great Smack down, however, I sincerely hope you got played! Because if there is even a little smoke to this fire,… then we are faced with spotting the left, and then overcoming, a 15 +/- percentage point deficit come 2010.
doable, but daunting
http://www.briefsynopsis.com
I was going to say "ouch" too.
NeoKong Tuesday, March 17th at 10:58PM EDT (link)Now I will have to find another word.
Ooch…
Ahh…yikes!
Hmmm…..ZOWIE!
Damn…(sigh)
I got nothing.
The opinion of a wise whitino male.
1. The dude is on MSNBC
USNJIMRET Tuesday, March 17th at 10:39PM EDT (link)so he’s already not watched by hardly anyone possessed of a functioning brain anyway.
2. So he’s a lefty, which kind of went with 1.
3. The only people who might, might mind you, believe that he isn’t a lefty, don’t watch MSNBC, so his protests aren’t being seen anyway.
Why bother?
Because from now on, we push *back*.
Moe Lane Tuesday, March 17th at 11:17PM EDT (link)The free ride is over.
When they lie about you, call them on it. Loudly.
When they get in your face, get right back into theirs.
When they try to change the subject, don’t let them.
Check out my new blog at http://moelane.com/.
http://twitter.com/moelane
My (blogging-related) wish list.
Finally, no more Mr. Push Over
civil_truth Tuesday, March 17th at 11:37PM EDT (link)We’re in a war for survival. We can’t cede any more territory. Nor can expect the Democrats to do our work for us.
And Rightly So!
Moe... don't be like that...
tsquare Tuesday, March 17th at 11:47PM EDT (link)All that hot talk gets me worked up…
I've been so tired...
ddstrain Wednesday, March 18th at 1:33AM EDT (link)of the GOP sitting there leading with their chin for the past 8 years. The Left has lied, twisted words, mangled context and used a propaganda machine that would shame Goebbels.
When they spew slogans (all they have), retaliate with facts (what they fear).
Tally-Ho
Goebbels nt
Alitheia Wednesday, March 18th at 1:53AM EDT (link)I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never be forced to live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
I'm amazed this listserv has been kept secret
Dave_in_Fla Tuesday, March 17th at 10:45PM EDT (link)It can’t be that hard to infiltrate and get added, then post a few hundred juicy tidbits publicly. It’s been obvious for at least 4 years that there is a common set of talking points being generated, thanks to the daily use of common terms.
How long till someone decided to go for the big money and sell out? Not like they generically have a strong moral compass to suppress the urge.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy
Wow, some actually have face to lose...
Hammer2008 Tuesday, March 17th at 10:52PM EDT (link)So in this case, David Shuster does not need to be featured in this:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.parcoltop11.35513.ImageFile.jpg
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Too much noise! “Noise! You’ll have noise enough before long. The Regulars are coming out.” ~ Paul Revere (April 18th, 1775’s eve…)
Sweet
spaceman_spiff Tuesday, March 17th at 11:06PM EDT (link)Lets see, how do they say it in France? Oh, yea. Touche!
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
–Pierre Choderlos de Laclos
I'll Tell You Why the List is Sacrosanct
jimmuy8 Tuesday, March 17th at 11:20PM EDT (link)Because there are people who are in positions to know inside stuff in the GOP that are on it. Or are directly connected to those that are.
That’s my guess.
Guess # 2:
One other set of names that is on this list: Big name Democrat donors, the kind of people who are getting nice, fat bailouts or plush appointments right now.
This list isn’t limited to journalists and bloggers–there is money behind it . . .
since we're guessing
paulincolo Wednesday, March 18th at 12:26AM EDT (link)my guess is that shuster isn’t on the list as klein says, because… wait for it…..wait for it……
he was on the list, and has now been taken off, so that neither can be called a liar. wow, this is easy, maybe I will become a leftist liberal.
oohh, let me try another….. did you know that NBC discovered the dangers of GM trucks exploding gas tanks (course that is after they rigged with a bomb).
or a more recent version on those racist rednecks:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2006/04/inside_the_sausage_factory_how.html
I will say it is curious why they are so defensive and so secretive about this list. Its not like people don’t know the lefties coordinate their “news” stories and its not illegal.
My guess#2 is that there are people in the administration and the DNC on this list.
This Is a "Non-Denial" Denial
IJB Wednesday, March 18th at 12:07AM EDT (link)Note the exact wording:
That’s a very specific “denial” - he’s claiming that he’s never generated a “news” story from the mail list. That doesn’t say anything about editorial content, nor anything about “non-news” stories, nor anything about *choice* of which stories MSNBC would choose to go with.
The word is “form” - IOW, nebulous.
Right, because to Shuster, they’re not any of those things, they’re just “like-minded friends and colleagues” who “discuss” things.
He probably doesn’t even think he’s done anything wrong, and probably doesn’t believe that he’s been influenced in anyway. (Lefties are all really good at the kind of self-delusion where they all convince themselves they’re not all followers and herd animals, when they all are.)
Now, if he’d said, “I’ve never, ever been on *any* mailing list”, that would be a lot more definitive.
Nice try, David Shuster.
But, result: FAIL.
The next step will be rolling disclosure:
spainishirish Wednesday, March 18th at 5:43AM EDT (link)“I get lots of unsolicited email.”
“Anyone can be ‘placed’ on a list.”
“If I were on the list it didn’t form my news stories.”
“I’ve reviewed recent emails and it is not impossible I was on the list.”
The next step will be to minimize the topic:
“Even though I apparently was on some sort of list it didn’t influence me.”
Finally, attack the source:
“This claim about that my being on an email list is nothing more than right-wing paranoia.”
I re-read the Politico account, and again think the next shoe to drop will be how long this has gone on. Two years? My guess is since Bush v. Gore. As pointed out above, we’ll get details after someone decides to cash in.
Shuster and Olbermann are lying. And Ezra Klein is lying to protect the entire enterprise.
Martin Knight Wednesday, March 18th at 5:23AM EDT (link)Pretty soon, Klein would be telling us it was all a figment of our imaginations - the list never existed or he’s the sole member of the listserv who sends stuff to himself..
What I’m pretty certain of is that there are a lot of “anonymous” members of that listserv, people whose identities only the administrators of the JList know, and I’d strongly bet that some of them are Democratic communications staffers on the hill, White House staffers, news show producers on the networks, supposedly straight news reporters, and their editors.
I would bet anything that Bill Keller is on that list under an assumed name.
In other words, any list of members Ezra Klein would produce or have mysteriously “leaked” is certain to be doctored.
Exactly right.
itrytobenice Wednesday, March 18th at 6:12PM EDT (link)There will be a few Martin Knights and Moe Lanes but there will also be Thomases, c17wifes and Jadeds. Some will be incognito because to be discovered would be too bad and they know it. Those are the names I want.
The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
This denial is just silly...
Jwt4412 Wednesday, March 18th at 7:28AM EDT (link)The list exists… it has journos on it.
So it isn’t Shuster or Ober…. it’s their producers, writers and researchers… same result.
It Is What It Is…