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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25201</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've known all this for quite some time.  That's why I call myself:
 Warrior.  They want our country, our money and our freedom.  We will have to fight to keep them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known all this for quite some time.  That&#8217;s why I call myself:<br />
 Warrior.  They want our country, our money and our freedom.  We will have to fight to keep them.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25198</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of our elected officials still think they're at a dinner party.  The opposition is quite successfully having a revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of our elected officials still think they&#8217;re at a dinner party.  The opposition is quite successfully having a revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pure stupidity.</description>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25140</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;you can probably put it down to general incompetence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: johnCV</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnCV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It can also mean that you believe in your principles enough to wage a vicious war to defeat the enemy. And right now the Left is our, and more importantly, this country’s enemy. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

We must acknowledge -&lt;b&gt;right now, from this day forward&lt;/b&gt;, that the Left is our enemy, &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; our opponent. If we believe that the Constitution is the only document that this country is founded upon, that our traditional values are the glue that holds this society together, and that the rule of law applies to everyone equally, well, then we must adapt any tactic to prevail. Sounds harsh, but there it is. We are battling an enemy that has adopted this strategy for decades and has no qualms about destroying the children of thier enemies ( all the while bemoaning the  'politics of personal destruction').

Anything less than this will result in our failure and the destruction of this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It can also mean that you believe in your principles enough to wage a vicious war to defeat the enemy. And right now the Left is our, and more importantly, this country’s enemy. </p></blockquote>
<p>We must acknowledge -<b>right now, from this day forward</b>, that the Left is our enemy, <i>not</i> our opponent. If we believe that the Constitution is the only document that this country is founded upon, that our traditional values are the glue that holds this society together, and that the rule of law applies to everyone equally, well, then we must adapt any tactic to prevail. Sounds harsh, but there it is. We are battling an enemy that has adopted this strategy for decades and has no qualms about destroying the children of thier enemies ( all the while bemoaning the  &#8216;politics of personal destruction&#8217;).</p>
<p>Anything less than this will result in our failure and the destruction of this country.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25131</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...In fact, I'd be quite happy to apply the Doctrine of Overwhelming Force to the Left in this country (and in the West generally). 

When the rest of you guys get on board with that, please drop me a line!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;In fact, I&#8217;d be quite happy to apply the Doctrine of Overwhelming Force to the Left in this country (and in the West generally). </p>
<p>When the rest of you guys get on board with that, please drop me a line!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes314</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That never existed. The chutzpah and irony of...

“At last month’s White House summit on entitlement reform, Obama painted Cantor as a poster child for obstructionism.” 

This coming from the party of obstructionism? The first two and last two tears of the 'Bush Administration' were dominated by the Party of Pelosi and their stranglehold in Congress, the middle four, obstructionism ruled the day with their threats to filibuster judicial nominees, opposing SS reform et cetera. And yet, if the economy is still in the tank in 2010, it will still all be the fault of the evil GOP.

Which has what relevance to this diary? The way to combat this is to not let them and their lapdog media get away with redifining the past. When they claim that the financial situation is a GOP thing, point out that the economy was swimming along until 2007. The deficit had been steadily decreasing since 2003, after 2007 it skyrocketed. When they blame greedy bankers for the housing crisis, point out that it was ACORN intimidating them into making these faulty loans-and Obama's direct involvement in their activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That never existed. The chutzpah and irony of&#8230;</p>
<p>“At last month’s White House summit on entitlement reform, Obama painted Cantor as a poster child for obstructionism.” </p>
<p>This coming from the party of obstructionism? The first two and last two tears of the &#8216;Bush Administration&#8217; were dominated by the Party of Pelosi and their stranglehold in Congress, the middle four, obstructionism ruled the day with their threats to filibuster judicial nominees, opposing SS reform et cetera. And yet, if the economy is still in the tank in 2010, it will still all be the fault of the evil GOP.</p>
<p>Which has what relevance to this diary? The way to combat this is to not let them and their lapdog media get away with redifining the past. When they claim that the financial situation is a GOP thing, point out that the economy was swimming along until 2007. The deficit had been steadily decreasing since 2003, after 2007 it skyrocketed. When they blame greedy bankers for the housing crisis, point out that it was ACORN intimidating them into making these faulty loans-and Obama&#8217;s direct involvement in their activities.</p>
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		<title>By: theadmiral</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25126</link>
		<dc:creator>theadmiral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all know what we have to do....it's that we have all been too principled in our upbringing to fight in the manner that may be necessary to win. It was said here on occasion during the campaign when it was clear that Obama was playing to win and McCain was playing nice and many commentors wondered why the GOP wasn't fighting harder, esp. given all of the ammunition that Obama had given us. It should come as no surprise that Obama is practicing what he learned growing up and what he practiced for years in Chicago. I'm just glad that moderators here are finally willing to post about it.

But......it would have been more profound to have pushed the Ayers, Aliinsky, Wright, Frank Marshall Davis connections last fall when it really mattered. Yet those connections were routinely dismissed as fringe issues with the focus more on policy issues. However, when there was very little spoken policy difference between what Obama was saying and what McCain was saying (at least that's what the MSM watching masses heard...), then the 'fringe' issues needed to be pushed front and center. Do you think if people really knew that Obama hung out daily 'reading poetry' with Frank Marshall Davis, or taught Alinsky tactics at Alinsky's Chicago institute or had close relationships with domestic terrorists or sought out Marxist professors in college that even 30% of the public would have voted for this Marxist?

Bottomline is that this was all out in the open for people to see and what he's doing now should come as no surprise. And the GOP's response (or lack thereof) should come as no surprise either. 

The Left plays for keeps. 

They play to win.

The GOP seems more interested in catering to the middle and moderate squishes. This has to stop and if the American people, with the aid of the GOP leadership don't wake up soon, they are going to be very surprised at just how far Obama and the Left are willing to go to implement their vision of a Marxist utopia. Just look around at every country where Marxism has been tried and it always ends badly, with death and bloodshed. Like Achance said above, our tactics must change, even if it gets unpleasant or even seemingly unprincipled. Playing to win doesn't mean you have to forego principles. It can also mean that you believe in your principles enough to wage a vicious war to defeat the enemy. And right now the Left is our, and more importantly, this country's enemy. 

Think back to WWII and how we chose to end our engagement with Japan. Do you think any less of us because we dropped two atomic bombs, killing thousands and thousands of innocent Japanese civilians? In war there will be, and sometimes must, be collateral damage. You have to break the will of the people in order to win. That's what happened with the Japanese.  And it's what must happen to the Left. They must know crystal clear that we will use every means necessary to fight them and defeat them. Remember, numbers don't lie. Some 40% of American's identify themselves as 'conservative' while 20% viewed themselves as 'liberal'. The numbers are in our favor and I think we'd have even more support if the people saw that we had real fight in us. Look at the groundswell that forced that buck-toothed, no-talent hack at CBS to apologize.....twice. Many on the Left are bullies and it's a well-known Alinksy tactic to portray more power than you actually have. This is an Alinsky rule that the GOP and conservatives must exploit because the numbers are on our side.

The future of our country depends on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all know what we have to do&#8230;.it&#8217;s that we have all been too principled in our upbringing to fight in the manner that may be necessary to win. It was said here on occasion during the campaign when it was clear that Obama was playing to win and McCain was playing nice and many commentors wondered why the GOP wasn&#8217;t fighting harder, esp. given all of the ammunition that Obama had given us. It should come as no surprise that Obama is practicing what he learned growing up and what he practiced for years in Chicago. I&#8217;m just glad that moderators here are finally willing to post about it.</p>
<p>But&#8230;&#8230;it would have been more profound to have pushed the Ayers, Aliinsky, Wright, Frank Marshall Davis connections last fall when it really mattered. Yet those connections were routinely dismissed as fringe issues with the focus more on policy issues. However, when there was very little spoken policy difference between what Obama was saying and what McCain was saying (at least that&#8217;s what the MSM watching masses heard&#8230;), then the &#8216;fringe&#8217; issues needed to be pushed front and center. Do you think if people really knew that Obama hung out daily &#8216;reading poetry&#8217; with Frank Marshall Davis, or taught Alinsky tactics at Alinsky&#8217;s Chicago institute or had close relationships with domestic terrorists or sought out Marxist professors in college that even 30% of the public would have voted for this Marxist?</p>
<p>Bottomline is that this was all out in the open for people to see and what he&#8217;s doing now should come as no surprise. And the GOP&#8217;s response (or lack thereof) should come as no surprise either. </p>
<p>The Left plays for keeps. </p>
<p>They play to win.</p>
<p>The GOP seems more interested in catering to the middle and moderate squishes. This has to stop and if the American people, with the aid of the GOP leadership don&#8217;t wake up soon, they are going to be very surprised at just how far Obama and the Left are willing to go to implement their vision of a Marxist utopia. Just look around at every country where Marxism has been tried and it always ends badly, with death and bloodshed. Like Achance said above, our tactics must change, even if it gets unpleasant or even seemingly unprincipled. Playing to win doesn&#8217;t mean you have to forego principles. It can also mean that you believe in your principles enough to wage a vicious war to defeat the enemy. And right now the Left is our, and more importantly, this country&#8217;s enemy. </p>
<p>Think back to WWII and how we chose to end our engagement with Japan. Do you think any less of us because we dropped two atomic bombs, killing thousands and thousands of innocent Japanese civilians? In war there will be, and sometimes must, be collateral damage. You have to break the will of the people in order to win. That&#8217;s what happened with the Japanese.  And it&#8217;s what must happen to the Left. They must know crystal clear that we will use every means necessary to fight them and defeat them. Remember, numbers don&#8217;t lie. Some 40% of American&#8217;s identify themselves as &#8216;conservative&#8217; while 20% viewed themselves as &#8216;liberal&#8217;. The numbers are in our favor and I think we&#8217;d have even more support if the people saw that we had real fight in us. Look at the groundswell that forced that buck-toothed, no-talent hack at CBS to apologize&#8230;..twice. Many on the Left are bullies and it&#8217;s a well-known Alinksy tactic to portray more power than you actually have. This is an Alinsky rule that the GOP and conservatives must exploit because the numbers are on our side.</p>
<p>The future of our country depends on it.</p>
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		<title>By: DerKrieger</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerKrieger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...to hit back and hit back hard. We need to annihilate these people using their own methods. I wish the GOP would stop being "nice". 

These damn socialists are power mad and only an equally aggressive response will save us all from eventual subservience to the federal government. These Leftists see themselves as our masters and are doing everything in their power to make that dream a reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;to hit back and hit back hard. We need to annihilate these people using their own methods. I wish the GOP would stop being &#8220;nice&#8221;. </p>
<p>These damn socialists are power mad and only an equally aggressive response will save us all from eventual subservience to the federal government. These Leftists see themselves as our masters and are doing everything in their power to make that dream a reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Section9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Section9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only did she fight back against an Alinsky style attack, her supporters were mobilized to go after his sponsors.

And the network had to blink.

Now &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is the way it should be done. Basically, I agree with the Chicago Way crowd, I simply don't agree with going after &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; kids. I think it's wrong. But go after them with gusto.

Why the RNC isn't going after the Inspector General issue hammer and tong is a huge mystery-you can probably put it down to general incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only did she fight back against an Alinsky style attack, her supporters were mobilized to go after his sponsors.</p>
<p>And the network had to blink.</p>
<p>Now <i>that</i> is the way it should be done. Basically, I agree with the Chicago Way crowd, I simply don&#8217;t agree with going after <i>their</i> kids. I think it&#8217;s wrong. But go after them with gusto.</p>
<p>Why the RNC isn&#8217;t going after the Inspector General issue hammer and tong is a huge mystery-you can probably put it down to general incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25121</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairman Mao famously said, "A Revolution is not a dinner party."  Whether or not people want to actually face it, the people running this Country know a lot more about Mao and revolutions than they know about dinner parties.  Obama's oft-remarked boorishness is common for this sort; they refuse to behave well in polite company just to show that polite company how little respect they have for notions of polite and for the company.  Think Saul Alinskys tactic of having all his followers gather for a bean dinner before going to public meetings.

Unfortunately, those fat, avuncular, slickly coiffed old men running the Republican Party know all about dinner parties.  They just don't know anything about people who come to dinner parties for the sole purpose of stinking up the place.  Comrade Obama' thugs don't give a damn about this Country and really don't care if the stimulus stimulates or Obamacare insures the uninsured.  If Comrade Obama says the stimulus has stimulated the state-controlled media will parrot what he says and the economy will have been stimulated and we will go from having the worst economy since the Great Depression to have fully recovered from the Bush Disaster Years.  It's only your lying eyes seeing your neighbor out of work.  All it will take is a few speeches about how everyone wanting work is working and how the out of work are just malcontents who don't believe in the changes in today's workplace and society.  Reality will be what Comrade Obama says it is.  The important thing about the Stimulus package was that it stimulated Comrade Obama's political infantry, the non-profits and the unions, the rest is just scraps to keep the lumpen proletariat hoping.

In any event, most of the posts in this thread are along the lines of "what to do?"  I don't know, though I have some ideas and some experience with conflict with Alinsky disciples.  What I do know is that there is almost nobody in the officeholder and leadership cohort of the Republican Party who has shown one scintilla of skill or understanding in dealing with well-trained communist operatives.  I don't even know who "we" is any more.  I don't think "we" is the Republican Party as we know it if "we" are talking about rising from the ashes.  The dinner party culture in which leaders are cultured in the Republican Party simply does not produce the kind of people who can deal with truly nasty people; they can't even stand to be around people who are on their side and who can be nasty.

Among the first posts in response to this would normally be somebody admonishing me that we can't lose our souls and sink to their level and how two wrongs don't make a right and all that stuff from the dinner party days.  We have a simple choice: we can have a dinner party and sit at our linen covered table and wait for the thugs to crash through the door and the comrade from ACORN will tell us how many people are going to be living in our houses put us on TV to apologize to the people for the wastefulness and greed exhibited by all that opulence at our dinner party.  Or, we can learn how to deal with thugs and, if necessary be thugs ourselves from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairman Mao famously said, &#8220;A Revolution is not a dinner party.&#8221;  Whether or not people want to actually face it, the people running this Country know a lot more about Mao and revolutions than they know about dinner parties.  Obama&#8217;s oft-remarked boorishness is common for this sort; they refuse to behave well in polite company just to show that polite company how little respect they have for notions of polite and for the company.  Think Saul Alinskys tactic of having all his followers gather for a bean dinner before going to public meetings.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, those fat, avuncular, slickly coiffed old men running the Republican Party know all about dinner parties.  They just don&#8217;t know anything about people who come to dinner parties for the sole purpose of stinking up the place.  Comrade Obama&#8217; thugs don&#8217;t give a damn about this Country and really don&#8217;t care if the stimulus stimulates or Obamacare insures the uninsured.  If Comrade Obama says the stimulus has stimulated the state-controlled media will parrot what he says and the economy will have been stimulated and we will go from having the worst economy since the Great Depression to have fully recovered from the Bush Disaster Years.  It&#8217;s only your lying eyes seeing your neighbor out of work.  All it will take is a few speeches about how everyone wanting work is working and how the out of work are just malcontents who don&#8217;t believe in the changes in today&#8217;s workplace and society.  Reality will be what Comrade Obama says it is.  The important thing about the Stimulus package was that it stimulated Comrade Obama&#8217;s political infantry, the non-profits and the unions, the rest is just scraps to keep the lumpen proletariat hoping.</p>
<p>In any event, most of the posts in this thread are along the lines of &#8220;what to do?&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know, though I have some ideas and some experience with conflict with Alinsky disciples.  What I do know is that there is almost nobody in the officeholder and leadership cohort of the Republican Party who has shown one scintilla of skill or understanding in dealing with well-trained communist operatives.  I don&#8217;t even know who &#8220;we&#8221; is any more.  I don&#8217;t think &#8220;we&#8221; is the Republican Party as we know it if &#8220;we&#8221; are talking about rising from the ashes.  The dinner party culture in which leaders are cultured in the Republican Party simply does not produce the kind of people who can deal with truly nasty people; they can&#8217;t even stand to be around people who are on their side and who can be nasty.</p>
<p>Among the first posts in response to this would normally be somebody admonishing me that we can&#8217;t lose our souls and sink to their level and how two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right and all that stuff from the dinner party days.  We have a simple choice: we can have a dinner party and sit at our linen covered table and wait for the thugs to crash through the door and the comrade from ACORN will tell us how many people are going to be living in our houses put us on TV to apologize to the people for the wastefulness and greed exhibited by all that opulence at our dinner party.  Or, we can learn how to deal with thugs and, if necessary be thugs ourselves from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: farstar99</title>
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		<dc:creator>farstar99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you're playing for keeps, you either play the same game the opposition plays, or they end you.

For instance, try reasoning with a pit bull when you want to take its dinner. Tell one of the Chicago Mafia who put Obama into office that while you respect them, you're not going to give your business to them. I'll send your widow flowers.

In other words, see how far any of that gets you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re playing for keeps, you either play the same game the opposition plays, or they end you.</p>
<p>For instance, try reasoning with a pit bull when you want to take its dinner. Tell one of the Chicago Mafia who put Obama into office that while you respect them, you&#8217;re not going to give your business to them. I&#8217;ll send your widow flowers.</p>
<p>In other words, see how far any of that gets you.</p>
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		<title>By: farstar99</title>
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		<dc:creator>farstar99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. The High Road lost us the election. It leads to failure. Especially when there is no justice, and when the press is just a propaganda mill for the enemy.

2. Match the agitation. That takes money and energy, neither of which the RNC "leadership" seems interesting in fostering.

3. When one side does all the escalating, the other side doesn't escalate. It merely fights back, at a level that makes survival possible. If it does not then escalate beyond that, it perishes. We're not even doing the fighting back part adequately yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The High Road lost us the election. It leads to failure. Especially when there is no justice, and when the press is just a propaganda mill for the enemy.</p>
<p>2. Match the agitation. That takes money and energy, neither of which the RNC &#8220;leadership&#8221; seems interesting in fostering.</p>
<p>3. When one side does all the escalating, the other side doesn&#8217;t escalate. It merely fights back, at a level that makes survival possible. If it does not then escalate beyond that, it perishes. We&#8217;re not even doing the fighting back part adequately yet.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25116</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25115</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they bring a knife...you bring a gun...they put one of yours in the Hospital...you put one of theirs in the morgue!

The reason the left gets away with it is because they pay no price for it...we used their tactics against them in the 90s and won...that's why the pissing and moaning from Democrats began after the 1994 campaign and continued in the 96 campaign about the loss of civility in Washington and the lack of decorum in the Senate blah blah blah...

We hoisted them on their own Petards and they squealed like stuck pigs.

Contrast that with the Bush years and the 2008 campaign when they've been allowed to do it un-challenged...They won in 2006 attacking a politics of corruption as represented by the Republican leadership despite the same number of Dems under investigations and the Republicans were silent.,...now we have even more Democrats under ethical clouds and there is deafening silence for the Republican Parties.

Why can't we run on the politics of corruption as exhibited by William Jefferson, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangle, Nancy Pelosi and on and on?

Oh yeah...we can't do that because we might offend the moderates and independents we're trying to persuade!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they bring a knife&#8230;you bring a gun&#8230;they put one of yours in the Hospital&#8230;you put one of theirs in the morgue!</p>
<p>The reason the left gets away with it is because they pay no price for it&#8230;we used their tactics against them in the 90s and won&#8230;that&#8217;s why the pissing and moaning from Democrats began after the 1994 campaign and continued in the 96 campaign about the loss of civility in Washington and the lack of decorum in the Senate blah blah blah&#8230;</p>
<p>We hoisted them on their own Petards and they squealed like stuck pigs.</p>
<p>Contrast that with the Bush years and the 2008 campaign when they&#8217;ve been allowed to do it un-challenged&#8230;They won in 2006 attacking a politics of corruption as represented by the Republican leadership despite the same number of Dems under investigations and the Republicans were silent.,&#8230;now we have even more Democrats under ethical clouds and there is deafening silence for the Republican Parties.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we run on the politics of corruption as exhibited by William Jefferson, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangle, Nancy Pelosi and on and on?</p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230;we can&#8217;t do that because we might offend the moderates and independents we&#8217;re trying to persuade!</p>
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		<title>By: icbm</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25112</link>
		<dc:creator>icbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or killed him.  THEN they would have put out newspaper articles with false charges, and changed the history books and the photographs.

Obama's stuff is very bad by American standards, but it's nothing close to Soviet standards.

On the other hand, Obama's virtual seizure of GM and his forcing states to take federal money with mandates attached make him resemble Putin.  Rep. Cantor was right on the money when he said that recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or killed him.  THEN they would have put out newspaper articles with false charges, and changed the history books and the photographs.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s stuff is very bad by American standards, but it&#8217;s nothing close to Soviet standards.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Obama&#8217;s virtual seizure of GM and his forcing states to take federal money with mandates attached make him resemble Putin.  Rep. Cantor was right on the money when he said that recently.</p>
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		<title>By: briann</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25111</link>
		<dc:creator>briann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can be done to return this country to where it belongs?

1) Maintain the "high road" and refrain from the personal attacks. This was McCain's strategy in '08. We have to hope that the American people will eventually see ad hominem attacks as logically flawed.

2) Match the agitation. It is possible that we could get nastier/funnier personal attacks and take back the country. With the current media environment this will be exceedingly difficult, and it will likely lead the left to go to option #3.

3) Escalate the conflict. This is the territory of Bill Ayers and the Wethermen. I don't think anyone wants to go there.

The only real hope for America is for the public to wise up and stop voting against who the MSM tells the funniest/nastiest jokes about.

-Bri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can be done to return this country to where it belongs?</p>
<p>1) Maintain the &#8220;high road&#8221; and refrain from the personal attacks. This was McCain&#8217;s strategy in &#8216;08. We have to hope that the American people will eventually see ad hominem attacks as logically flawed.</p>
<p>2) Match the agitation. It is possible that we could get nastier/funnier personal attacks and take back the country. With the current media environment this will be exceedingly difficult, and it will likely lead the left to go to option #3.</p>
<p>3) Escalate the conflict. This is the territory of Bill Ayers and the Wethermen. I don&#8217;t think anyone wants to go there.</p>
<p>The only real hope for America is for the public to wise up and stop voting against who the MSM tells the funniest/nastiest jokes about.</p>
<p>-Bri</p>
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		<title>By: Hera</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25109</link>
		<dc:creator>Hera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lefts ideas like the "stimulus" don't work and are opposed by the American people. So its not surprising they would have to attack opponents personally to distract from their own failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lefts ideas like the &#8220;stimulus&#8221; don&#8217;t work and are opposed by the American people. So its not surprising they would have to attack opponents personally to distract from their own failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Joliphant</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25106</link>
		<dc:creator>Joliphant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure didn't work for the past 8 years.

Well we can only hope this time it goes better.</description>
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<p>Well we can only hope this time it goes better.</p>
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		<title>By: rbdwiggins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/16/the-return-of-the-politics-of-personal-destruction/#comment-25105</link>
		<dc:creator>rbdwiggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only the names have changed to disparage the innocent.</description>
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