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A few additional and hopefully final thoughts on Sarah Palin

Perhaps I should keep my mouth shut now, because I’m causing a few people to run for the hills for daring to voice my opinion that Sarah Palin is done with elected politics, though not necessarily politics altogether.

Nonetheless, here are more thoughts.

1. Sarah Palin resigned, I think, to spare her family from more attacks. I don’t think it is a coincidence that Sarah Palin is doing this just days after a very nasty Vanity Fair article where folks like Nicolle Wallace and, according to Bill Kristol, McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt (though I’m told Schmidt is not involved), savaged her.

2. Unfortunately, by resigning, I think the left and national media will be emboldened to ritualistically engage in the metaphorical gang raping of conservative politicians, particularly those who are female and have children. They’ll decide savaging Palin’s family drove her from office, so the sky’s the limit on the next conservative with kids.

3. I’m sad that so many people are mad at me for voicing my opinion that she’s done with elected politics. I have always supported Sarah Palin. I continue to support her. But that does not change what I think. We should not be invested in the politician or the personality, but the ideas.

4. I’ve had this running thought all day, perhaps because I was watching it on TV in HD for the first time, that this is kind of like Ben Kenobi letting Darth Vader strike him down. Palin is not going to run in 2012, but by doing this she can now become Barack Obama’s worst nightmare, and help rebuild the opposition to Obama. How? Because were she to remain a 2012 contender, she’d keep having stories by anonymous McCain campaign staffers and other 2012 contenders going after her and her family. Take that ambition off the table and it neutralizes a lot of that. So she can focus on candidates and ideas without an ulterior motive focused on 2012.

5. My friends on the right who are heaping the most scorn on Palin and saying things like “this proves she shouldn’t have been elected in the first place,” “if she can’t take the heat she should have never gotten in the kithchen,” etc. are also typically the ones who do not have small children.

6. Yes, yes. Jokes were made about Chelsea Clinton. How many allegedly credible media organizations pursued stories that she was not Hillary Clinton’s child? How many late night comics joked about her getting raped at a Yankee’s game? How many allegedly mainstream comics and pundits made mental retardation jokes about her? See e.g. the Huffington Post, which put up then took down a post by Erik Sean Nelson entitled “Palin Will Run In ’12 On More Retardation Platform.”

7. People are so cynical. Immediately, several people I know concluded there must be a scandal. After all, that’s why politicians abruptly do stuff like this. How about her being tired of her family being smeared constantly and forced to pay huge legal bills to fight frivolous complaints? Maybe it is a scandal, but it’s sad that so many people default to that.

And that’s all I’ve got to say about that.

COMMENTS

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Let’s not forget the big picture.

  • DONTREADONME

    “Unfortunately, by resigning, I think the left and national media will be emboldened to ritualistically engage in the metaphorical gang raping of conservative politicians, particularly those who are female and have children. They?ll decide savaging Palin?s family drove her from office, so the sky?s the limit on the next conservative with kids.”

    Then again, they have already commited to conducting this M.O. for future elections. Sad state of affairs in this country, very disappointing.

  • http://minorcan-maven.blogspot.com/ minorcanmaven

    I have tremendously appreciated your tone about Palin and your insight. Thank you. You saying your opinion that you think she is not going to be running is FAR different from the others in punditry who say she’s done as if she’s a pariah now. She’s no pariah. People MAY be misunderstanding you.

    FWIW, I think she is truly trying to do the best thing for Alaska and it turns out to be the best move for her and her family if she decided to run. AND if she decides NOT to run, you are correct – she will speak, raise money, and be a motivating, rallying force.

  • mbecker908

    It’ll be gone too quickly and I want to recommend it. So does Franz. I’m sure HBunny would, but frankly since every time I wake him up he bites me I’m not asking him.

    Anyway, Recommended.

  • azaeroprof

    I think your analogy on #4 is dead-on, but I don’t agree with your conclusion. If she truly goes after BHO with any success, and helps a lot of politicians around the country with money and campaign help, then that can only help her if she wants the nomination in 2012. I think it has the potential to be a brillian, if unconventional, strategic move.

  • Kayla

    But with good reason. Many tried to give Gov Sanford the benefit of the doubt and we know how that went. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a scandal behind this. Bristol’s pregnant again, who knows. After Sanford and Michael Jackson revelations no much surprises me this week.

  • loganyung

    In her resignation speech, she telegraphed what she was going to do. She said that she doesn’t feel comfortable traveling the country on Alaska’s dime. I would expect that she’ll be traveling the country and being king-maker for the 2010 elections. If she turns out to be very instrumental in a large Republican victory, she can use that as justification that she should be seriously considered in 2012.

    What better way to get back at the Obama smear machine than to systematically start removing their power base.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    http://www.redstate.com/rcov092/2009/07/03/what-next-for-sarah-palin/

  • redcometchar2010

    This comment has to do with Palin in a corrollary way, but after seeing her savaged by the left and their media lapdogs I have a suggestion about fighting back. Politicians can’t go after other politicans personally because that backfires, but Democrats can often sit back and let the media do their work for them so I have a suggestion on how to deal with this. You don’t go after the politicans you go after the media. If a reporter is causing problems, investigate the reporter. Everybody has dirty laundry. I’m sure most reporters have a few skeletons in their closets they wouldn’t like aired for public viewing. If you make reporters the story, make an example out of several of them, you might get things to tone down a bit. You might get people calling things a bit more fair. You might prevent another hit job like the ones on Thomas and Palin.

  • IJB

    I’m still of the opinion that if he didn’t break any laws or misappropriate funds, I don’t care.

    I also realize that I’m now in the minority on that.

    As for Palin, I’m giving her some benefit of the doubt. But I think this move can, and does, take her out of serious contention for 2012. At least with me it does.

  • SoulEspresso

    I hate to say this, but that’s not the world we live in. I wish it were; I think most people here wish it were.

    Our current president got into office despite his ideas — which the electorate is gradually discovering they don’t like. Too bad they weren’t paying attention to more than the personality before they voted.

    We need someone with star power as well as the ideas. I bet she’ll use her time to raise money for 2010 Republican candidates.

  • IJB

    I fully agree that our side should investigate and savage reporters and bloggers when they pull stunts like this.

    But I doubt that alone is enough to stop the Left.

    You also have to go after some of their politicians. If we take some of their more promising guys down, along with some of the reporters and bloggers, *that* might be enough to get them to think twice about continuing down that road.

  • tomllewis

    I certainly hope you will keep sharing your opinion, and NOT “keep your mouth shut, because a few people run for the hills for daring to voice your opinion.”

    I’m surprised how many conservatives get angry when someone voices an opinion they don’t agree with. I expect that from Liberals who always think they’re right 100% of the time.

  • bs

    He said *should*. I think it’s pretty obvious that this is a world full of cults of personality.

  • IJB

    Sometimes personality dominates elections – that usually happens when the electorate feels like there are no pressing concerns on the national scene (and, frankly, that was the way most voters felt through most of 2008, whether they were correct in feeling that way or not).

    But other campaigns end up being ‘idea’ campaigns, when personalities can matter very little, and when principles and policies dominate.

    I suspect 2012 will be a latter type of election, not a former type of election like 2008 was (mostly).

  • panchita

    god bless america.

  • loganyung

    Look for some hard fouls. Why the long face, John?

  • septembergurl

    any more…because gentlemen, this is my last press conference…….

    wow…making the Nixon move…excellent! Sarah is even more brilliant and courageous than I thought!

    Great move. Sarah leaves Alaska, writes her book, moves to DC, gets some kind of position on some energy think tank — that’s her issue, what Communism/Alger Hiss was to Nixon. She goes everywhere in 2009-10, raising money, making speeches, assembling a staff, honing her issues and agenda, whacking Dems, getting people elected, collecting those IOUs and endorsements for the 2012 campaign. Get the family up to speed.

    What’s so stunning today is how she dominates all media — positive/negative — it doesn’t matter, with this bombshell. Nobody –NOBODY — not Obama or anybody else — has a hold on the viscera of Americans like this lady.

    She’s not our Reagan.

    She’s our Nixon.

    Nixon got elected President twice. Think about it.

  • azaeroprof
  • paulincolo

    1. Good luck Sarah, whatever the path you choose. AND

    2. Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty, the smear merchants are coming to your house soon. AND

    3. to the McCain campaign: great job losers, now what are ya gonna do to suck up to the press.

  • LeaveMeAlone

    This woman is a whole lot smarter than anybody in either party gives her credit for.

    She gets out of public office for now, and it takes all the wind out of her attackers’ sails. She publicly gets behind movements to elect conservative candidates across the country, helps put together more deals like the Trans-Canada pipeline, (more, cheaper energy through privately funded development), gets on the stump bringing a message of liberty and prosperity, and makes a major impact among the voters who still believe in the greatness of our country, and the whole of the U.S. will follow.

    Those of us who are old enough to remember Reagan between 1976 and 1980 can see the possibilities….

  • penguin2

    That one crossed my mind. As well as Civil’s

  • redcometchar2010

    It has to be the reporters first. You can’t start with the politicans until you get the reporters and bloggers to start playing more fair. If a conservative politician goes after a liberal politician in a way even remotely approaching the degree of ferocity that the left went after Palin, he or she would be savaged. Unless, the media starts playing ball your hands are tied.

  • azaeroprof

    I think you were right to say it’s not an either/or thing. But then you said it was ‘either one (2008) or the other (2012)’. It is ALWAYS about BOTH! It’s peronality AND issues. Yes, one may be more important than the other, but I don’t think it goes past 60-40 one way or the other, even in Obama’s case. For many liberals, the fact that he had a personality cult was just a big plus to help them get their issues put forward. If we as Conservatives discount Palin because she has a personality cult, then we shoot ourselves AND our ideas in the foot.

  • almom

    I am sorry, Erick, but you are wrong. There are several explanations here as to why Sarah did what she did. When she said that she took a vote with her kids as to what she should do, I knew what was going on here. I’m a woman and a mother.

    Option No. 1: She couldn’t speak out and attend functions as the Governor of Alaska. She wasn’t going to run again anyhow, so why not get out and let the Lt. Gov. take over and get re-elected. She’s popular and people are hungry to see and hear from her. So, we’ll see and hear her. Obama is going to be pissed that she will be out there gathering huge crowds and defying his policies. That’s what people want!! She can do it.

    Option No, 2: The Birth Certificate issue. Yes, I know, BUT….. What if they had the goods all along on this guy. You know they must have. So, they let him dig a hole when people are outraged with him. There is a hearing on July 13 on the Birth Certificate. If he is found to not be eligible to be President, he get’s thrown out of office and everything he has done is undone. Who gets the Oval Office????? By law, it’s John McCain and Sarah Palin.

    I know, I know, but wierder things have happened. Erick, I’m still upset with you. I’m afraid to ask who you support in 2012. I was a Mitt girl and I like him. I am hoping for a Sarah and Mitt ticket in 2012.

  • azaeroprof
  • johnCV

    but it would be unfortunate if you are about her receding from elective office (though I could understand it).

    Palin terrifies the leftists and they will not cease thier attacks on her or her family regardless of what avenue she pursues – elected or advocate. She has been carefully elevated to be the epitomy of everything the left despises about conservatism. She is the left’s Goldstien. Kos, soros and his evl minions along with the usual cast in the corrupt media have far too much invested in her destruction to allow her to remove herself from public ridicule. They will not give up what they consider their poster child of hate.

    We have gone beyond rational political discourse and are engaed in a cold civil war (whether we admit it to ourselves or not) and the left have ratched up thier attacks to the level of open warfare.

    By thier rules of engagement, only destruction of your opponent is acceptable, not defeat. Palin must be destroyed, and with that in mind, prepare for another onlslaught on her and her family. This is the enemy we face.

  • MikeWas

    but in trying to evaluate this logically, the only thing that makes any sense at all is that she’s trying to defuse a coming scandal.

    Even with Letterman and the Vanity Fair article, there’s no explanation for the timing that makes sense that has anything to do with protecting her family. Not for a resignation.

    The Vanity Fair article got me wondering, why in the world would McCain staffers participate in trashing her? Can’t they see that it only makes them and their candidate look like chumps? If she’s really that bad, then McCain made a horrible call. If she’s not, then they look petty and foolish.

    But now, I wonder if they didn’t know something the rest of us are only about to find out, and it’s bad enough that trashing her NOW won’t hurt them once the rest of us know.

    I hope, for her sake and for the party’s sake, that Sarah Palin is just being Sarah – making politically unconventional moves for her own personal reasons. But this one is such a bombshell, that it’s hard for me to see it playing out that way.

  • davo119

    The MSM and all the media whores and leftists have gotten exactly what they craved and dreamed about. Obama elected president and Sarah Palen (presumably) hounded from office. How odd that it has always been between these two. McCain was a side issue within a week of the convention.
    Fortune has a way of reversing itself just when you least expect it. And colossal arrogance can only lead to disaster. I believe the magnitude of this president’s coming failure negates any possibility of speculating on the future. Anyone connected with him in any way especially the MSM and the Washington elites will be equally stained.
    I think her motive for resigning was indeed to spare her family. When all is said and done, the family has to be protected at the expense of individual desire. But then, that is parochial and antiquated too, isn’t it. It’s called sacrifice and not something our liberal leftist friends would know anything about, not to mention the elitists, media whores and various hangers on.
    But then fortune does have a way of reversing itself just when you least expect it.

  • securitymom

    Go Sara. May your family have a little more peace. Whatever your future, you have taken more than most political trashing.

  • SoulEspresso

    n/t

  • Flagstaff

    It’s always possible to be cynical, and it’s always possible that the cynicism will turn out to be accurate. But this is a comment worthy of David Letterman.

    What does Michael Jackson have to do with Alaskan politics, and what was surprising about his death?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Nixon quit after losing for President, then losing for Governor. He tried, though.

    Palin didn’t even *try* to get re-elected Governor after losing for VP.

  • SoulEspresso

    but the fact that it was announced on the Friday before a major holiday weekend does indicate it wasn’t something she wanted to call attention to any more than she had to.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    n/t

  • mbecker908

    In lots of ways. Most of those would be complementary to her, except for one. Tricky Dick was a down and dirty, win at all cost warrior. Would that we had more that one trait of his.

  • olsmithie

    not having a crystal ball, only time will tell.
    She has every reason to throw in the towel without apology.however…

    I see a “full court press”, passing the ball is not necessarily quitting.
    Look for more major impact on the country from this lady.

    She’s no quitter.
    I see a non traditional approach to changing the country. She has a history of handling things in AK a little differently, there is a hint of that non-standard strategy in the speech today.

    Just feel like a sucker punch to our friends on the left is coming.
    We shall see!

    Happy 4th!
    Regards

    -May you live in interesting times. Old Chinese Curse

  • bs

    Several of us have been discussing just that point today – we need a down and dirty fighter who is not afraid to punch hard. Let’s just say that the pipeline is mighty dry when it comes to those characteristics.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    …but I’m not crying for him, Argentina.

  • wgsampson

    There is a lot of truth in what you say. I thought about this earlier – Is there any connection between the conservatives that jumped on the McCain bandwagon because of her and the Tea Parties? I think that there is a big connection, maybe not logistically, but idealogically for certain – and this is a Tea Party weekend. The reason we love Sarah is because she is in tune with average people. So, unlike the RNC elites, she is tuned in and listening. She is definitely a king-maker – maybe even a President-maker. She sees Tea Partiers as the wave of the future, and she will make the rounds. Returning veterans, true conservatives and tea partiers combine to make a great base of support, an efficient network but also a huge reservoir of talented candidates.

    Remember Sarah!

  • orlgal

    Sarah Palin is a class act all the way. As a mom of two daughters I can guarantee you my response to Letterman would not have been anywhere near as restrained as hers. In fact my reaction probably would have involved a bail bondsman at some point. I believe her decision is based on protecting her family and, in my opinion, that makes her a hero. What more selfless act can you imagine than putting your family ahead of your own personal gain? Certainly she must know how the media will react to her resignation. This is one tough cookie.

    My initial reaction was that her career is over but I am not so sure sure now. If she becomes an outspoken advocate of conservative ideas she can become quite influential in the party. There is now nothing to hold her back from attacking Obama’s policies and how they are ruining this country. She can now respond to the smarmy attacks from the McCain camp. A man who has no honor as exhibited by the way he has allowed his “team” to savage her character and doesn’t lift a finger to defend her. Palin may be a lightning rod for the media attack machine, but people listen when she speaks and that includes the media. Don’t count her out. This is not the last we will here of Sarah Palin.

  • azaeroprof

    The left will relax tonight thinking that their “left flank” is now safe from that Alaska nuisance. And when they least expect it, she will come full force with an assault on their very center! This is not quitting, this is redirection.

  • Flagstaff

    You could be exactly right all the way down the line–we’ll see, won’t we?

    Giving her the benefit of believing she’s being honest, without necessarily telling the whole story, I can certainly understand the logic of her actions whether she plans to run for President or whether she doesn’t.

    After all, she’s been bedeviled by both conservatives like Charles Krauthammer and liberals like Mara Liasson because she hasn’t brought in a herd of international policy wonks to “bring her up to speed” on everything from North Korea to Honduras. They ignore the fact that the Governor of any state is generally occupied doing the state’s business (Mark Sanford’s sojurns to Argentina notwithstanding), and that any time she took to bone up on non-Alaskan business would have to be done on her own time (or she would have faced lawsuits for malfeasance in office). So if she agreed with their criticisms, and she intends to run for President any time in the future, this move makes perfect sense. She is now a free agent, not beholden to the Alaskan electorate.

    Even if she intends to become a non-candidate gadfly for the conservatives in the Republican Party, the move still makes sense. She would be under constant attack if she spent any substantial amount of time away from her office on speaking engagements. Even writing her book would open her to fire from the left–”When did she write it? After the work day? Where did she write it? On a state-owned word processor?”

    My question is merely that I wonder how she can keep herself relevant and newsworthy out of office. To some extent, the SCUM will take care of that, but it’s not so easy for her to add to her “credibility resume” if she’s no longer working as a governor. That credibility was where they hit her hardest during the campaign, and unless she starts a new think tank, or perhaps joins an existing one and performs well enough, it will be hard to counter it in another three years, too. As Geraldine Ferraro was just saying, she won’t have access to the same venues now that she had as Governor of Alaska, either.

    The personal expenses she has incurred fighting recurring SLAP suits is also a very understandable reason for the action.

  • septembergurl

    a national figure with a strong base of support. He didn’t need to hold an office to be effective. He could promote his agenda and build support without an office (and run for president and win the nomination and election while out of office). Sarah has figured it out more quickly.

  • azaeroprof

    Leave it to a fellow Arizonan to sum it up perfectly!

  • azaeroprof

    Leave it to a fellow Arizonan to sum it up perfectly!

  • Aaron Gardner

  • Politics1001

    best one i’ve heard is that this was a way for her to get ahead of the curve: the media would not stop hounding her, she was a target for frivilous ethics violations, her popularity was falling in Alaska, this move allows her to have some breathing room to rally the base by playing the victim in all of this.

    But i dont think it’s a winning strategy (if this was her chess move) because it’s like admitting she couldn’t get anything done in Alaska because things started to get too crazy for her and her family. Not the best excuse.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    Having certain media and names mentioned by one or more leaders of this site is the biggest coup the left could hope for. They are now empowered even more. Also, for the second time in a few hours, a post on this site assumes persons in favor of Palin were affected by personality-not ideas. The idea-guys you have left are all John McCain types –vocal fans of cap and trade, illegals, and of fawning over Obama. You might as well elect George Soros.

  • Kayla

    Nothing was surprising about his death. But the dermatologist as the kids real dad situation was a bit shocking. Just like Sanford “crying in Argentina” when he told every one he was on the Appalachian trail was shocking. Therefore I take nothing at face value. So in a couple days if the “real reason” is revealed it wouldn’t be a surprise. So if I’m cynical, sue me.

  • Kayla

    Nothing was surprising about his death. But the dermatologist as the kids real dad situation was a bit shocking. Just like Sanford “crying in Argentina” when he told every one he was on the Appalachian trail was shocking. Therefore I take nothing at face value. So in a couple days if the “real reason” is revealed it wouldn’t be a surprise. So if I’m cynical, sue me.

  • Doc Holliday

    and I think the cat get’s in the way of how badly Curly dissed him. I was never a Palinaniac, but I know how the game is played.

    They took one of ours out, and they will gloat about it. Sometimes it really is just Red vs. Blue. We need some payback.

  • Flagstaff

    2. Unfortunately, by resigning, I think the left and national media will be emboldened to ritualistically engage in the metaphorical gang raping of conservative politicians, particularly those who are female and have children. They?ll decide savaging Palin?s family drove her from office, so the sky?s the limit on the next conservative with kids.

    While I don’t suggest that we engage in personal attacks against the two Obama girls, for instance, I see no reason why we aren’t filing nuisance lawsuits every chance we have to stop every Lib who crosses us. Not even necessarily nuisance suits, but meritorious ones, too. After all, there is a lot about the “stimulus” and TARP and the takeover of Chrysler and GM that appears to be illegal. Let’s file some suits, at the state and federal level, to make the left respond and answer questions and spend money. We have been fighting by the Marquess of Queensberry rules against Ho Chi Minh.

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  • Ausonius

    Don’t forget that her husband might have had enough of the Lettermanian left-wingers using their family as a punching bag, along with lawyers using them to collect fees via phony frivolous lawsuits.

    They may have made a mutual decision to withdraw from politics, allowing Mrs. Palin to raise funds for them and conservative Republican candidates through speeches, books, interviews, etc.

  • Aaron Gardner

    I say assist the palinbots in getting out their anger and then we can real them back in to the fold…if they hang on to that anger next thing you know they will be walking around chanting about RonPaul…and none of us want that.

    This way we just get them to vent it all out and be done with it.

    And Erick is right…for any person with an IQ above room temperature it is time to move past the idea of Sarah and on to the idea’s of Conservativism that she briefly represented.

    People need to do their mourning quick cause come Monday morning we are back to fighting a war and there won’t be any time for tears.

  • DONTREADONME
  • morstar150

    Sarah has stepped out of the limelight for the moment. She will be working behind the scenes trying to get this party in order.

    ?On behalf of the Republican Party of Florida and Republicans across the state, I would like to thank Governor Palin for her service to our Party. She worked tirelessly to defend Republican principles throughout her service in state and local government and demonstrated tremendous courage as a historic candidate on the Republican presidential ticket in 2008. We respect her decision and wish Governor Palin and her family the very best as she moves forward.? Jim Greer GOP Florida Chairman

    That’s a statement from our not so beloved leader of the Republican Party in Florida. The conservatives can’t stand him and most of us know that his pacifying statement is about as sincere as Charlie Crist’s smile. He is one of those RINO’s who are smiling because they think she is out of the way.

    Our party will rise again but only after serious reconstruction. Do not be surprised to see Sarah Palin in the Senate soon. She is a young woman. She is still loved by many of us, and believe me many others fear what she represents — a successful woman who is proud to be a mother yet hasn’t sold out her values on issues like equality and right to life.

    It is shameful what she is made to endure. Just as an example, half of you think there is a scandal brewing. I say there is a revolution brewing. Her day will come. Our day will come, and on that day we will put an end to the progressive socialist movement. I will follow her. I hope you will too.

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  • Doc Holliday

    in fact, we saw that Palin even split up this die hard group for various reasons. It is probably better to find a candidate we can all get behind, because we need every single vote and everyone focused on stopping the socialist onslaught. Palin could help as a fundraiser and she could help by endorsing our best candidate and giving him the cultish following she inspires among many.

    I still say we need to fight back or the drive bys will think they can destroy anyone on our side.

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    On the surface, she up and quit. Can I (we) trust her to not do that again ?

    Maybe she just couldn’t stand the media anal exam anymore that comes with the territory of being a Conservative… guess what…… then don’t get involved in elected office at any level, not even dog-catcher. That’s why I’m not in “the game”…. I’d go the bad step and launch on people heavy….. the verbal kind of open fire…. maybe even literally with toys that go bang. I know myself and I don’t take garbage from anyone.

    Maybe she got tired of having all those absolutely insane lawsuits filed and having her family’s personal lives decimated by so-called Americans who are nothing but one action short of real evil.

    Maybe she got one hell of an offer from CNN, Fox or someplace else.

    Maybe she’s taking off to run for the Senate seat opening in Alaska.

    Maybe she’s getting out to run for La Casa Blanca in 2012.

    Maybe HuffPo, Kos, or some other far-left-of-the-far-left maniac actually had something on her…. like she’s a Muslim, or was born in Kenya, or something else just as crazy to contemplate.

    But to me, it all comes back to this: Sarah Palin quit her office in mid-stream.

  • Doc Holliday
  • MarciKiser

    I don’t understand why we’re allowing the culture of victimization to excuse Sarah Palin from cutting and running on her commitment to Alaska.

    I mean, had she won the Vice Presidency, it’s not as if comedians and bloggers wouldn’t still be cracking jokes about her. It’s not as if the media wouldn’t be investigating her. If anything, it would be more intense than what we see now.

    Which means, by this apologetic logic, that she would be resigning as Vice President because David Letterman and Jon Stewart were mean to her.

    With a 72-year-old President McCain in the White House.

    And *Nancy Pelosi* as the interim second-in-line should anything happen to him.

  • Doc Holliday

    I was referring to the banned troll, now I see that CZS was referring to Palin, I recant the “nice”.

  • mbecker908

    That’s a bullseye Kenny.

  • mbecker908

    a plot by the Juice.

  • olsmithie

    Love Connery talking about the “Chicago way!”

    Regarding “payback”

    Ever play football, sweat , train , pant and ache all week without any immediate reward?

    For what? That game on Saturday night, when all that preparation pays off.
    Palin and many good conservatives have been working their hearts out to make a difference, without too much apparent results.

    Well, the left had better watch out,
    because Saturday night is coming.

    Regards

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    “candidate we can all get behind” that was hilarious, I laughed so hard my sides ache ;-)

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    It’s always our fault…… even when I forget that I’m one of Teh Eeeeevil Jooooooooooos.

  • morstar150

    Joe Biden would take office if Barry is out.

  • azaeroprof

    First. Doc, if we wait for a candidate we can all get behind, we are toast. We have to each advocate for the candidate we like best, then all get behind whomever wins the nomination.

    And Aaron, I like you way too much to respond to your comment the way I would if it were someone I didn’t know. Let’s just say that equating Palin supporters (myself included) with Ron Paul supporters is a low blow. And I guarantee you that my IQ is WAY over room temperature and I am still able to see supporting Sarah Palin AND the fighting for the conservative principles we all support as being quite compatible. Finally, it is precisely the tendency of Cons to turn on their own that enables the drive-bys to pull this stuff off.

  • randy streu

    Was Kato there?

  • czs

    just wanted to play the quote game with Aaron.

    Now I am glad I didn’t go with:

    “You are a good woman. Then again, you may be the Antichrist.”

  • The_Rebel

    On another thread, mbecker stated that as a candidate, Palin just committed political suicide. I saw that Nixon speech live in 1962 and most people would say he committed political suicide then, too, as far as any future political ambitions. That’s what the pundits were saying back then. Even the biased Wikipedia listing on Nixon states that his “last press conference was seen at the time as permanently damaging his chances at playing a role in national politics”. History now records his political comeback six years later in 1968.

    Nixon criticized the press for most of his 15 minute press conference. Palin never once complained about the vicious press she has received. The big difference between the Palin and Nixon speeches was what they did in the following years. Nixon played no role and was silent in the campaign of Barry Goldwater in 1964. On the other hand, Palin has committed to working for conservative Republican principles outside of the Alaskan Governorship.

    I agree with septembergurl’s line of thinking. And I believe that by resigning now, she can operate freely in the lower 48 and not be pigeonholed as a governor operating from obscure Alaska. And if it leads to bigger things in 2012, so be it. But her main goal will be to do what Nixon did after that devastating Goldwater loss in 1964. She will campaign throughout the country on behalf of conservative candidates for 2010. Don’t you think that the Directors here at RedState would welcome that?

  • Cheryl

    it would have already been out there? The liberal press have stopped at nothing.

  • securitymom

    “Maybe she just couldn?t stand the media anal exam anymore that comes with the territory of being a Conservative? guess what?? then don?t get involved in elected office at any level, not even dog-catcher. That?s why I?m not in ?the game??. I?d go the bad step and launch on people heavy?.. the verbal kind of open fire?. maybe even literally with toys that go bang. I know myself and I don?t take garbage from anyone.”

    Name ONE Conservative who has had the “EXAM” Sarah has had? In fact, name anyONE. Sarah (and family) has been the kicking post of some conservatives and most liberals since last August. Just a couple of weeks ago a beautiful picture of Sarah and her son was photoshopped. Any and all exams on Sarah’s political views would be a welcome change.

    Whatever her reason for stepping down, she HAS taken the “garbage.”

  • 6eorge Jetson

    so she can do the story when Katie Couric gets the ax at CBS.

  • azaeroprof
  • Doc Holliday
  • DONTREADONME

    or maybe it was inside job by our Government, or maybe it was those black silent invisible helicopters.

    Better yet is was Teh Eeeeevil JOOOOOOOOOOS.

  • Doc Holliday

    I have always advocated letting the best man win in a hard fight. I am hoping we have someone akin to Ronaldus Maximus that brings us together with ideas, charisma, and leadership. Since this is to poo poo Palin thread, I will throw in that I think Romney is not inspiring and will not bring us together either. If we find a proud conservative unifier, it will probably be someone off the radar screen at this point.

  • Cheryl

    The cat was a nice touch, I think it was drugged though

  • Doc Holliday
  • 6eorge Jetson

    nt

  • discerningconservative
  • Aaron Gardner

    I was and am a Palin supporter…I think she represents the common person and has a conservative philosophy shaped by people like Reagan. But, if she jumped off a cliff I would call her stupid. Hence I am not a Palinbot, and neither are you.

    There is a certain subset here on RS that are in fact Palinbots…as in their entire grasp of conservatism is within the sole context of Palin. These people become disillusioned and may go the way of the Paulites. Or we slap them with the cold reality that yes, sometimes – most really – politicians are unreliable and you must ground yourself in your philosophy and not any one person.

    Hope that clears it up for you.

  • DONTREADONME
  • lonebeagle

    Just look at the comments here about her–people think she wimped out, that she’s great, that she is the wrong answer for the GOP. Whatever.

    She’s THE major force outside of the “Messiah”, and that is as obvious as the 800 pound gorilla sitting in the living room. Everyone is talking about Sarah just schools girls gossip and boys talk about the cutest new girl in class.

    And Sarah knows it–she’s smart and she’s not going away. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for Sarah to return to Wasilla as an ordinary citizen. Sarah will never be like Geraldine Ferraro.

    The left fears Sarah and half of the Republican Parties hates her. I’m going to send Sarah PAC some money. I was going to send another donation to the GOP, but given the crappy remarks I’ve heard said about Sarah recently from many Republicans, the GOP isn’t getting any of my money for now.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit
  • Flagstaff

    Did you listen to nothing she said? Or do you just not care?

    But welcome to the “Leave a Comment” world, anyway.

  • Doc Holliday

    I don’t think she is a liar, so I would be surprised if there is some new non trumped up scandal. I have been telling people here for years we need to reduce the size and power of government. One good reason to do this is that the government, like every place is full of flawed people. If we reduce the power of government, politician’s personal flaws will not land as much on our heads.

    On thing many conservatives do that hurts us is they demand our leaders to be inhuman caricatures. We don’t need perfect leaders, we need less government to screw us up. Sure a president needs to be smart and have the country’s best interests in mind, but America only became great because the government let them pursue their OWN interests.

  • Doc Holliday

    they can’t take it.

  • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

    I just sat down and finally got to see her speech, seems animated and sure of her chosen direction.
    Power to her, don’t know how she put up with this crap for as long as she has.
    The libs may be dancing in the streets over this, but only because they have absolutely no shame, and less of a conscience.

  • Doc Holliday

    he was flawed, but what he said here has always stuck with me.

  • Aaron Gardner

    She in and of herself is fine, but like I said no one should wrap their political philosophy around just a person.

  • smitch61

    … and you could be correct. whether she decides to run ever remains to be seen. I feel she will be our voice, she is going to give it to the leftists with a smile on her face. The gloves are off now and I see her being the voice for all women regardless of party.

    I also think maybe, just maybe that her normal american regular guy appeal is what the country needs. By the time Obama is done the american public will want nothing to do with the DC elite.. Sarah can earn her way into the presidency if she chooses, she won’t have to buy it.

  • Doc Holliday

    Sarah PAC? really?

  • http://www.redstate.com/britcom/ Britcom

    The great thing about Sarah Palin is that she is like crack to the leftist media.

    They just love to hate on her and malign her and drag her through the mud, but it doesn’t phase her one bit, and it just makes the lefty media look like the bitter mean old stuck-up nasties that they really are. But they can’t stop themselves even if its hurting their lefty agenda. As soon as they see Sarah they have to have a go at her and it just looks like a savage beast attacking an innocent lamb. But Sarah is no lamb, she’s got elephant skin and a rapier wit and she slices and dices the leftist with the skill and ease of a five star chef.

    Yes friends, when Sarah is in the house, donkey is on the menu.

  • mbecker908

    this is a closely held bit of information from one of the meetings I attended a while ago. It was a conference where the Tri-Lateral Commission and the Elders of Zion got together to finalize some strategy. It was a secret meeting, but since this is a conservative blog and almost nobody reads it I feel safe in sharing with you.

    George W. Bush is a Jooooooooooo.

    Don’t tell anybody.

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/republican587/ Elizabeth Christian

    MY dream ticket 2012 = Sarah Palin / Liz Cheney

    those two ladies would kick Bambi (Obama)’s a~~ ; )

  • lonebeagle

    The GOP is the homeless person right now–I’ve never seen a more pathetic party than the current GOP.

    What has the Republican Party done recently? If it weren’t for Sarah Palin, John McCain would have lost 49 states. As it was, he lost in a humiliating defeat because he was an inept candidate.

    And now we have “Republicans” going around saying that we should become more like McCain in order to succeed!

    The two most prominent and successful Republicans right now are Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin. They’re winners and they command an audience.

    Oh that’s right, we have Governor Sanford and Mitt Romney! And we have Newt! Why don’t we bring back Dan Quayle?! Or maybe we can find another “moderate” Republican who believes in free choice and who isn’t so “religious”!

    Homeless–that’s where we’ll all end up after B Hussein Obama and the Democrats get finished with this country.

  • Doc Holliday

    and not us, just a suggestion. Maybe a bit of reflection is in order.

  • salsera

    Politics is ugly. It’s ugly for conservatives and it’s ugly for liberals. It’s ugly for Libertarians and every other political persuasion under the sun. The idea that conservatives are “special victims” is just unattractive.

    The truth is, when a political opponent is being bashed it gives pleasure to the other side. Period. David Letterman’s attack? Vile. But when the Washington Times ran a story about murdered school children in Chicago and used a photo of the Obama girls to illustrate it, that was vile too.

    ANYONE who gets into politics on a national level will be torn apart. Either you can take it and hold firm, or not.

  • Josh Painter

    See #1 at http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=E60C43AF-18FE-70B2-A849A3955D62A719

  • lonebeagle

    I just gave online to SarahPAC and her defense fund (The Alaska Trust Company).

    I believe in bold and character–Reagan had it and Sarah does as well. I can’t think of too many politicians today that have any “character”. People here at Red State were promoting Sanford.

    Sanford exemplifies what is wrong with American politics today.

    Now it might turn out that Sarah Palin quit her job because she had an affair with the pool boy–I have no way of knowing the truth of her life. But I strongly doubt that this will be the case.

    So I’m putting my money where my mouth is.

  • Flagstaff

    One good reason to do this is that the government, like every place is full of flawed people. If we reduce the power of government, politician?s personal flaws will not land as much on our heads.

    Have you been reading “Liberty and Tyranny”? You’ve captured a big part of its essence in two sentences.

  • lonebeagle

    I’ve had it with reflection! The country in going down the toilet and the Republicans sit around and talk about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!

    Get up and DO SOMETHING! Sarah Palin can’t do anything stuck up in Alaska defending herself against charges that she pilfered paperclips from the Governor’s mansion.

    The American people just elected the most unqualified and phony person in our nation’s history! I hardly think that it will matter to the left whether Sarah Palin served her entire term up in Alaska.

    She needs to act and take her show on the road! She gets enormous crowds everywhere she goes and she knows who she is and what she believes in.

    Screw the “reflecting”. The ship is sinking and Alaska is just an albatross around her neck.

  • Doc Holliday

    I don’t tell people what to do, you have to follow your heart not mine. I was not big into Sanford. I was a bit opaque but if you check my first posts when the Appalachian Trail excuse came out, I was a skeptic.

    If I had to pick anyone as my kinda guy I would go with Jeff Sessions. He is not as libertarian as I am, but I have a lot of respect for the guy. Your Sandfords and Pawlenty’s don’t do it for me. I am looking for the next Goldwater/Reagan type. Even though I have a very strong and consistent ideology, I realize the job of president is different than that of Congress. It is in Congress where we need to ideologues the most, and we need a lot of them. In a president I want a leader, heck I would even throw out Alexander Haig although I would be a few decades too late. He still is as smart as a whip though.

  • lonebeagle

    Couldn’t stand the heat? Bull. Sarah can’t defend herself being the governor of Alaska because the game isn’t played fair and square–the MSM and the entire DNC is against her.

    You win a battle by out manuevering the enemy. She just zigzagged and her opponents have been thrown completely off her tail.

    What can they do to her now? They’ll have to resort to ramping up their insipid sexist remarks and snarky barbs–”She couldn’t take the heat”.

    “She should just go home a take care of her children.”

    “Imagine if she were a heart beat away from the Presidency!”

    And all of this will backfire on the liberals. We saw how they attacked Reagan and GW Bush. We see how they attack Rush and say he’s all washed up.

    But who really won?

    Go Sarah and don’t listen to the establishment.

  • Doc Holliday

    I have the book but have not had time to read it yet, it is on my list.

  • lonebeagle

    I’ve listened to Karl Rove alot and I’ve said to myself, “That’s who Sarah Palin should hire.”

    I really like Karl Rove. He’s smarter than the next ten Rahm Emanuels put together.

    Sarah needs someone like Rove. I’m sure that she’s smart enough to know what it will take to run in 2012.

    Hey Karl, how about running another campaign for a REAL Republican?

  • lonebeagle

    I just am tired of sitting stationary in a pond getting pummeled by the bad guys. I can’t believe that Republicans in Congress are just doing NOTHING. At least put up a fight and go down in a blaze of glory.

    But what do we get from McConnelll? Silence.

    And in the House? Hell, the eight that voted for Cap and Tax should have had their House office locks changed and their possessions thrown on the sidewalk.

    Sorry, I’m more than a little angry. I live in California and we’ve had it in this state. But if California sinks, we may take the rest of the country with us.

  • discerningconservative

    Couldn?t stand the heat? Bull. Sarah can?t defend herself being the governor of Alaska because the game isn?t played fair and square?the MSM and the entire DNC is against her.

    Could she defend herself being President of the United States? If she can’t handle it as Governor, should she reasonably assume that it will be easier as President?

    Look, I like Sarah Palin. She energized the conservatives when we needed it, but she is just a politician. Everyone is getting all worked up over someone who is just another politician. The republican party consists of a large plethora of people, and Sarah Palin is just one of them. Sure, she seemed to have a bright future, and still might, but her actions today leave a lot of questions to be answered.

  • Doc Holliday

    many in our party are acting like deer in headlights. They seem almost apologetic; certainly afraid. We need to start fighting back hard and not fair. I said recently we need to approach this like asymmetric warfare. We need to take down the MSM and the NEA or we will continue to lose people capable of understanding our arguments.

    We need to redefine the party and go back to Goldwater/Reagan ideas of small government and maximum freedom. This is a simple platform we all should be able to get behind and if one can not, they should not be in the party. Then we need to get people who are willing to fight to the end and win!

    My comment about giving to Sarah Pac was simply my guess that she is not going to run. I was not really making fun of you, I just don’t know if the money will be used or not, probably it will for something good. And when I said give it to a homeless person, I was serious, I gave a guy a $20 the other day, he was a vet who only wanted some change. I rarely give to people on the street he was very kind and needed it more than I did.

  • DONTREADONME

    does that sum it up well? Or is it cornered racoons?

  • TNJim

    Now she just needs to regroup and decide what her role will be now. I think family had a lot to do with it, and she’s trying to diffuse the attacks on them.

    She’d be a good counterattack on Obama, and the more people on our side willing to step up and do that, the better.

    Still, though, as I said in another thread in Josh’s diary, I can’t help but feel Alinsky scored another hit today.

  • aesthete

    n/t

  • lonebeagle

    being a governor and fulfilling her oath of office, could that be possible?

    Today words like integrity, honesty and duty don’t mean a damn thing. It’s all just relative–you know, there are no absolute standards. Thank the liberals for that.

    Did it ever occur to you that Sarah is being targeted by the NATIONAL press and politcos but her job is that of being the Governor of Alaska. Her attackers come from outside of Alaska.

    The double standard that exists today in the MSM doesn’t allow Sarah to defend herself while she does her job that she has taken an oath to do. If she were a HE and a Democrat, she would be allowed to defend herself and be a governor.

    She also would be allowed a platform on the national stage.

    I think that she is resigning because she can’t fulfill her duties as governor and do all of the things that she must do (e.g., defend herself, further her ambitions to serve her country, be a mother, etc.).

    So the best solution and action that allows her to be honest with her conscious is to resign.

    Now she is free.

    Sarah Palin ain’t just another politician. You really have to be naive to think that.

    Question: Name me one politician that gets the crowds and attention that Sarah receives. tick tock tick tock tick tock………..

  • aesthete

    I can’t say I agree completely w/points 1 or 4, but I think that for the rest, you’re spot on. I’m in the dark as to why she resigned, but I’m on mbecker’s boat here. I liked (and continue to like) her as a person, and the amount personal invective hurled at her by the joint levies of statists and “concerned conservatives/moderates” was appalling. I also think that she had a lot of potential to be a good governor, and potentially, a good POTUS. Things being as they are, however, we are left with one fact: she quit, and is no longer able to build up her potential. This leaves her, IMO, unsuitable for the presidency. I think that she made the right decision for herself, and I hope that she and her family are better off for it. I also hope that she’ll be able to function in a more low-key role, perhaps as a fundraiser/commentator. At any rate, I wish her the best, and hope that life is kind to her.

  • discerningconservative

    If she believes in being a Governor and fulfilling her oath of office, why did she resign? You say…

    Did it ever occur to you that Sarah is being targeted by the NATIONAL press and politcos but her job is that of being the Governor of Alaska. Her attackers come from outside of Alaska.

    The double standard that exists today in the MSM doesn?t allow Sarah to defend herself while she does her job that she has taken an oath to do. If she were a HE and a Democrat, she would be allowed to defend herself and be a governor.

    Do you think if she were to run for President that the media would treat her differently? If she resigned because she was tired of the constant assault against her family (especially her children), then I strongly support her and can empathize with her. If she has resigned so she can focus on running for President in 2012, I think she made a major mistake.

    You also stated:

    So the best solution and action that allows her to be honest with her conscious is to resign.

    Now she is free.

    If that is her reason for resigning, to be free and to be honest with her conscious, then I commend her. Nothing is more important than family. I just don’t feel that she has any near-term political future. As far as your question goes… Barack Obama regularly draws larger crowds than she does, and draws a lot more attention. Do you really want to compare her to him? Think about it, because it is not a good comparison. I personally cannot think of anything worse to be compared with.

  • settingsun

    I also don’t totally concur with #4 but overall Erick’s take pretty much encompasses my thoughts. I think RS has done a good job of providing conservatives some perspective over the last 24 hours. Onward

  • Scope

    Some on here are sounding like some of the Fredheads when Fred got out of the race. They thought he was the greatest candidate to ever live, he couldn’t do or say anything wrong, until he quit. Then some didn’t just turn on him, they did it with a vengence. Some even wanted their money back. Fred fell all the way from being the greatest thing to being an empty suit and an idiot. They forgot all of a sudden just how great they thought he was the day before. Amazing how when someone does something that others don’t agree with, they push them over the cliff, even though they could have gone on to do some really great things. The press assisinated Fred, even at his greatest moments, and they have now tried to do the same to Palin. Palin didn’t resign because of too much pressure from a very negative press, she just raised the bar on those that choose to keep the definition of insanity in the limelight. Goodbye Vichy’s, or as I like to term them, Wishies. They will wish they never took that turn in the road.

  • escmac

    I am sorry, but I could not disagree with you more. I have lived in a difficult family for years and you learn to send signals, code words, parables etc. to get your message out. The key to Sarah is the basketball analogy. First, she is not quiting the team. Second handing the gov. ball off was a brilliant move, so the team can score. Third keeping your play book a secret is just plan smart. The fact that the other side calls you, your team mates and families names is part of the game that a secure, quality player blocks out. Going around the country as a cheerleader for other players is not what Sarah is all about. She is a point-guard and she knows how to score and win and that is precisely what she intends to do. The Heart of Ronald Reagan beats in the Woman from Wasilla.

  • mbecker908

    They may go to the same underground Temple.

  • aesthete

    nt

  • drkven

    must be her fellow “ideological” (yeah right) colleagues. Even David Letterman shows more character than the GOP in this case.

  • drkven

    how can ANYONE fight a battle on their own, while seeing everyone else run away? How can you expect people to stand up to what they believe in after this one?

    This is entirely the fault of the GOP and explains alot. If it were the other party that had someone being viciously attacked from all directions like this, you bet they would defend her.

    I disagree this will backfire on the libs. We know what they are and how they act. However, it is a shock to see how the her party “fellows” (???) broke and ran in this battle. Good Omaha beach wasn’t loaded with 2009 GOP-spirit in -44.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    …invented to confuse outsiders to facilitate “good cop-bad cop” routines. It’s all prescribed in the secret Protocols of the Elders of Zion (the real ones, not that version we fed to the Russian Czar which are now circulating in the Middle East).

    Oops, talked too much…

  • mbecker908

    We’ve told you before. Do not drink and blog. Most of your family will be returned. Maybe.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Micheal Steele was also a joooooo !

  • aesthete

    No point in being an honorary elder if I don’t make the most of it :D

  • aesthete

    They’re sneaky :)

  • JX12

    Funny you should say that. It’s what I’ve been telling myself constantly almost every day – multiple times a day – over and over again since 1/20/09.

    I mean, it was true before 1/20/09, but then I was….well, more comfortable with it. Now I keep having to remind myself that it is still so.

    Carter’s presidency – as miserable as it was – set the stage for Reagan. I have no idea what Obama’s presidency is setting the stage for, nor do I even want to speculate on it in this posting; but what I CAN do is continue to pray that God will preserve the nation, if for no other reason but for the sake of those who are trying to do right by Him, no matter how many – or few – they may be.

    Please join me in this, won’t you?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    later after I get home from vacation this wednesday

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    later after I get home from vacation this wednesday

  • Trelaina

    “Unfortunately, by resigning, I think the left and national media will be emboldened to ritualistically engage in the metaphorical gang raping of conservative politicians, particularly those who are female and have children. They?ll decide savaging Palin?s family drove her from office, so the sky?s the limit on the next conservative with kids.”

    Interestingly enough, the stuff I’ve heard from the left is the same old same old. What I’m hearing from the right…the dismissals, the slams, the writing off of ANY level of politcal future….is what is new.

    I understand and (mostly) agree with us “taking care” of scandals in our party….but here we are throwing one of our own, who holds strong Conservative values, out on her rear without knowing her reasons or her intentions, and without a care for either (oh, we’re talking about it, but we don’t care).

    I’ve been planning to call my local GOP office and get active & involved. However, I’m a mother of two with a full time job. I now wonder if the party really wants or needs me.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    Shirley you jest!***

    ***I know — stop calling me Shirley!

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    Confronted with reports of his own death, Mark Twain once famously exclaimed, “Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated”

    …politics is a strange business, and I hardly think she is done.

    As Senator Blutowski once famously said, “Over? Over? It ain’t over ’til we say its over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Well it ain’t over now!”

  • Tbone

    Your first and only correct thought.

  • Tbone

    wrong.

  • pilgrim

    Are you, as cockstradamus, predicting that from today until she dies she will not serve in office again? In 2028 she will only be 64, and to predict the next 20 years is really going out on a limb.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    n/t

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Ever think that Letterman got her thinking, and only now did she decide that she wanted to resign?

    You don’t resign as Governor as a snap reaction to attacks.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    but I listened to the entire speech on radio…

    …when you just hear it, and are not watching it, she seemed to rush too much…like she had so much to say that she was rushing through getting it all in.

    In my opinion, her final words should have been, “I’ll be bacccccccck!”

  • mom2oneson

    a husband to support her and her kids and she could easily find another job since she was complaining about the cost of the lawyers and y’all were like that was a silly idea and now she did it and y’all are like ok with it! A did defend me though.
    http://www.redstate.com/martin_a_knight/2009/03/24/the-campaign-to-bankrupt-the-palin-family/#comment-936

  • mom2oneson

    If her family attacks and her legal bill is the reason but why would she talk about going into the light again for the party. She could just stay as the AK govenor, finish her term and just be done with it.
    She also announced this at her home. I know her office is there, but why do it there instead of the state capital. This is another example, I see her constantly being upset about attacks on her family (which are wrong) but I don’t see her doing much to draw attention away from them. I’ve said this several times how she talked about her family instead of issues. For example I know from her statements that her daughter wants to go to nursing school, ok as another mother I am happy for her daughter and think that is a wise decision but that is not what she needs to release a statement about as govenor. I certainly would not discuss anything related to her after the media attacked her especially. There is really a disconnect between her reason for resgining and her future plans AND there is a disconnect between how she was attacked by the media but repeatedly draws attention to her family’s life.

  • Aaron Gardner

    short, not that there’s anything wrong with that. Care to explain what I am wrong about? Do you believe that the best thing for people to do is to be invested in a person rather than a a well thought out political philosophy such are conservatism?

    Seriously, educate me Tbone, master of the one liners.

  • 6eorge Jetson


    Mr. President,….

    Back to reality

  • Tbone

    Sure, send me the same amount of money you obviously wasted on college poli-sci classes and in a lot less time I’ll have your head and ass wired together.

    Sample test question from my final:

    Do people vote for a political philosophy or a candidate?

    Study guide. See “Obama, ’08″

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    again in an executive position, but after consulting with a certain persistant cuss of an ancestor to pilgrims thinks that our prognostication has an expiration date of 20 years…

  • mbecker908
  • Vegas_Rick

    cockstradamus very vehemently predicted that there was no circumstance where the most liberal candidate in US history would every be elected President.

    Or am I having a senior moment?

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    I will be bookmarking this page — and you will be eating a certain avian creature in the future…

  • surgeusaorg

    Getting out of Juneau is a smart move. She can have a far greater impact by selectively supporting real conservatives across the country in 2010 for the many governor, Senate, and House races. This can help to attract stronger candidates and give them a better chance of success.

    At the same time, like Nixon from 1960 – 68 and Reagan from 1964 – 1980, she needs to build up a national base of trusted and trustworthy supporters if she wants to be a serious contender for President at some point – whether in 2012 or the future. She obviously learned that lesson in the McCain camp, where the arrogant staff made her a scapegoat for their own incompetence.

    They were too keen to appease their liberal media friends in DC. Big mistake. She certainly knows better than to play the game by those rules.

    More thoughts shared at SurgeUSA.org

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  • Flagstaff

    Doesn’t even make sense, unless you’ve taken to disbelieving even the people who give you no reason to do so.

    See you soon.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Tax Cuts mostly. He played the conservative in his rhetoric.

    Oh and I didn’t go to college for poli-sci…actually I didn’t go to college until after the Army and even then it was for IT.

    So tell me exactly what I have been consistently wrong about or can it.

    Personally I don’t think what Palin did was wrong nor do I think that she really cares. My whole point was that people crying over her stepping down and acting like they were done with politics were acting like Paulites, or spoiled little children. I didn’t even think to include you in that mix. You decided to take offense to an inoffensive comment.

    Get over yourself.

  • Doc Holliday

    i told that to his face. I also said I would ignore him and he said fine. But he is back, probably drunk, and attacked me again. Those with power here need to start thinking about who they want here and whom they want to leave. I am thinking it is tbone or me at this point.

  • mbecker908

    Doc I was sure you wanted aaron banned. So I came all the way over here to tell you he’s immune from banning because secretly he’s a jooooooooooo. Only aaron, Kenny and I knew that (and the Directors of course) before now, so don’t tell anybody.

  • Doc Holliday

    my title was a bit opaque. It is not that I want tbonehead banned, it is just that I wish the blammers could figure it out without my help. He is a horse’s ass, he has always acted that way. It is not for me to ask for a banning, but I don’t know if I want to be a member of a site that thinks he is some kind of helpful contributor.

  • mbecker908

    But then again some people think “I” am too. The last thing I want to see happen is for “being a horse’s ass” promoted to a reason for banning. ;-)

  • mbecker908

    In “my” case, those misguided fools are wrong.

  • Doc Holliday

    i told him i would avoid his bile and he said he would ignore me. He called me a fool tonight in a thread he was not even a part of. I have had enough. He would never say that to my face. I don’t want to get personal here, this is not what this is about. I think Tbonehead is a malignant part of the site, but the other members and directors can decide for themselves. If you look at his posting history, it is mostly just to cause trouble.

    I am not asking for favors, I am serious that I don’t want to be a part of a place that has him around. You know I am not some guy who calls for banning over an argument, you and I have had a few as I recall. I don’t call for bannings over heated arguments or even personal shots. I honestly believe this Tbonehead is a flame artist/troll. He is angry and wants to spread his bile around.

    I come here to chat and debate with like minded people, not to be called a fool and worse by someone with barely a brain stem.

  • mbecker908

    You contribute a lot here. And I’m not talking about lots of typing, I’m talking about ideas and discussion on issues.

    Don’t let a semi-non contributor get your goat and run you off. Hang in there. Actually, hang in here.

    The best revenge is a diary on the Recommended list. I doubt tbone’s every had one there.

  • pilgrim

    It was his “farewell I’m leaving RedState” diary. That diary had enough recommends to put it at the top for a while.

  • Doc Holliday

    and I do appreciate your comments immensely . I will think about what you said, but I have a feeling I crossed the Rubicon with the posts I made. Can I really back down now?

  • mbecker908

    “Crossing the Rubicon” is impossible in a blog. You’re just letting your feelings get in the way of rational thought.

    Oh. Feelings. Crap. You’re a liberal troll. OK, you can leave.

    But when you come back we’ll throw stones at you and laugh and point. It’ll only last a couple of days, but we’ll enjoy it. Don’t give us the satisfaction. Stick it out. Stick it to us. Some of us will probably remember when you almost ran off and be depressed that we weren’t mean enough to even take out a guy with “feelings”.

    ;-)

  • DONTREADONME

    well not exactly, but somewhat similar in the sense that I was ready to exit stage right because I had been upended and I did not know why. Don’t let T drag you down, and by all means necessary do not do what I did and actually leave then come back. It is not a good feeling. BTW, back down, from what you said is fine because I know you have balls, don’t let pride take you out on this one. Also others around here are thinking like I am, so no harm nor foul stick it out. I and others know how this story goes, so no worries to back down from your threat. If he is being disrespectful his time will come, if not then I think you made your point. Sorry for butting in, again.

  • Tbone

    Ideas don’t win elections, candidates do. That is the point.

  • discerningconservative

    Why do they have debates? I know that a candidate has to have a certain “appeal”, but in the end, it comes down to ideals. This isn’t American Idol.

  • Tbone

    But I would be glad to buy you a few drinks and then you would be two up on me.

    Don’t be so thin skinned.

    You really shouldn’t go cryin’ mama unless you change your name to Judy from Doc.

  • Doc Holliday

    no one is supporting you other than maybe a moderator. I am staying because of the good people here, I learned tonight what matters. I don’t care if you are banned or not, you simply don’t matter to me.

  • Tbone

    pfffft.

  • Doc Holliday
  • Tbone

    I see you are still in denial. LOL

  • Tbone

    argued in a debate? Must have been before Nixon’s 5 o’clock shadow lost him his.

    Think, after the debate do the commentators say he carrried his questions better? No, they say how did he come across. Did he look “Presidential”?

  • discerningconservative

    We don’t pay any attention to their ideology? Issues don’t matter? It is all about the “person”? I for one, pay more attention to the substance of what people say in their debates, and their record of action concerning those particular issues. If a crippled hobbit was running on a conservative platform and showed proven experience defending conservative principals, I would vote for him/her. Actually, I guess if said crippled hobbit was running against Barry O, regardless of experience or principal, I would vote for him (example, 2008). I understand your point of a person’s character making a difference, but I strongly feel that the ideals of conservatism are much more important.

  • Tbone

    on the electorate in general. You may have noted that we just elected the Paris Hilton of politics.

  • Aaron Gardner

    If there were less people like you maybe we would not be living under the reign of Obama. Yes.Yes. I know *you* didn’t vote for Obama, but you tacitly endorse how he got elected so I don’t really see much of a difference.

    Anyhow this will probably be my last comment to you since you don’t really address the substance of any posts. Have a grand time here at RedState with your one liners and constant droning about how everyone else is wrong and you are singularly correct.

    You must be lonely.

  • crazymountain

    Sarah was right to give up the governorship. And her reasoning escapes the talking heads, even some who I put heavy credence in their words.
    First of all, the ever nastier leftists were diminishing her ability to govern by filing all those baseless suits, showing once again, that their world only encompasses the foot around their egocentric beings.
    Secondly, she is not going to run for office. She will write, and, as the article says, be a kingmaker. Obama’s worst nightmare? YOU BET, and a bigger one for both Houses of Congress. These Godless Statists will finally believe as they will find that you truly DO reap what you sow.
    So, goodbye for now, Sarah. We’ll be seeing you on the campaign trail 2012. God Bless You!

  • crazymountain

    “I meant to say “see you on the campaign trail in 2010 and 2012……” because Sarah will elect those running against incumbants in both years…

  • Tbone

    People voted for Reagan because he projected leadership qualities and charisma. It’s the same reason Bill Clinton got elected on the oppsite side of political idealogy.

    If you think ideas prevail on either side you haven’t been paying attention.

    Hey, if I had my way everyone would have to pass a 50 question general citizenship test to vote every time. But, that is not how it is.

    I don’t have any personal affection for Palin, nor anyone else. However, I know a political star when I see one and she is the only Republican that has the juice to raise the money, demand media attention and get her message across.

    As for lonely, lol. If I were lonely I would post more stuff…..like you.

  • Alberta

    I mean, have yall been paying attention? They let anyone vote. Twice if your from a blue state.

    They have become pop contests. When the media was beating up on Palin, it was personal. If you think ideas have more wieght than the candidate espousing them, why did they beat up on the candidate and not the ideas?

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  • Flagstaff

    she quit because of “the heat.” You say “quit,” she said “passed the ball.” Retreating from a bad battle position to higher ground isn’t the same as abandoning the war.

    It’s not like she was helping bail out a sinking lifeboat and quit without having a replacement ready. Being Governor is not the same as being indispensable; that’s what Lt. Governors are for.

    You can characterize anything anyway you want to, but I’d prefer to take her at her word until proven wrong, and I’m not expecting to be proven wrong. In the meantime, it doesn’t help any conservative cause to disparage her in any way, just because you disagree with her. I understand your opinion, but considering that she hasn’t yet said she’s what she intends to do, the question of her being “done” is certainly an open one.

    I heard one amateur pundit say she thought Palin’s strategy was bad. How the heck can you judge a strategy if you don’t know what the ultimate goal is, and the pundit admitted she didn’t know that?

    The rest of my answer is in my comment above.

  • escmac

    Great combo! My family and friends have been real impressed with Liz and we think this combo would be great. There is not a man I have talked to that wouldn’t vote for these two. Love It-Love It-Love It

  • mbecker908

    After all, you do want a conservative to be President don’t you?

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  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    she was hired to do a job and voluntarily didn’t complete the job. I guess I am using “heat” broadly, but “taking her word” when she is so verbose and vague invites the speculation.

    Moreover, I would love nothing better than for her, or any conservative for that matter, to serve two terms as a more conservative Reagan. I don’t see how she does that and I doubt I would choose her in a primary against conservatives that haven’t resigned an executive position.

    but I see your points and as you must know and can know from my archives

    I have defended Palin since before she was a VP candidate

  • mom2oneson

    about knowing what is going on and you also speak up for people when needed like you said even when it’s not popular. I think you have good insight with knowing what is really going on.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    and needed the welcome home boost – god bless

  • leftylurker

    You were missed.

    Odd stuff while you were away. I’m staying out of this conversation for the most part; but I more or less agree with what you’re saying.

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  • Flagstaff

    are my “clear and to the point.” I give her some slack as she seemed to be speaking without notes or a teleprompter for about 20 minutes. Some verbosity will occur. Still, it was well organized when compared to Mr. “57 States” Obama.

    It’s become a Dem talking point that her statement was rambling and incoherent. I couldn’t disagree with them more.

    A little more depth to my opinion is here.