<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Independence Day</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/</link>
	<description></description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: youthgrunt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26828</link>
		<dc:creator>youthgrunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26828</guid>
		<description>that I am not understanding the "context". Please educate me rather than just making ad hominem  attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that I am not understanding the &#8220;context&#8221;. Please educate me rather than just making ad hominem  attacks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: OccamsRazor</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26819</link>
		<dc:creator>OccamsRazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26819</guid>
		<description>Here's hoping all had an enjoyable and safe one.

or</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s hoping all had an enjoyable and safe one.</p>
<p>or</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26792</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26792</guid>
		<description>if you cannot understand context -- just end this conversation....



###</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you cannot understand context &#8212; just end this conversation&#8230;.</p>
<p>###</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: youthgrunt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26791</link>
		<dc:creator>youthgrunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26791</guid>
		<description>condescension. And I request the respect talked about just above the "Post Comment" button. Yes, I followed your link (when you first posted it). I read your article, but am unconvinced of your suggestion that 1) the American people are not "virtuous" enough to "deserve" liberty; and 2) that liberty is dependent on a people's virtue at all.

Do you think that the founders really believed that only certain people were deserving of liberty? The only founder that you quote suggesting this is Franklin. James Monroe had a similar concern--that of mob rule more associated with direct democracy. But Monroe's concern had nothing to do with whether or not those people had the right to liberty. It had to do with the appropriate structures of government to protect everyone's freedom. The others (Jefferson) you quote are showing concern over the extension of government power over the people's lives.

The overwhelming record of the founders is that "All men are created equal" and that they ALL have the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness given not by government, but by God. Yes, an individual can give up any of those rights (e.g. it is possible to give up your right to life by taking another's life), but "we" (collectively) cannot give up those rights. That is simply not possible.

Saying that we (collectively) can give up those rights makes them not unalienable, but rather conditional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>condescension. And I request the respect talked about just above the &#8220;Post Comment&#8221; button. Yes, I followed your link (when you first posted it). I read your article, but am unconvinced of your suggestion that 1) the American people are not &#8220;virtuous&#8221; enough to &#8220;deserve&#8221; liberty; and 2) that liberty is dependent on a people&#8217;s virtue at all.</p>
<p>Do you think that the founders really believed that only certain people were deserving of liberty? The only founder that you quote suggesting this is Franklin. James Monroe had a similar concern&#8211;that of mob rule more associated with direct democracy. But Monroe&#8217;s concern had nothing to do with whether or not those people had the right to liberty. It had to do with the appropriate structures of government to protect everyone&#8217;s freedom. The others (Jefferson) you quote are showing concern over the extension of government power over the people&#8217;s lives.</p>
<p>The overwhelming record of the founders is that &#8220;All men are created equal&#8221; and that they ALL have the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness given not by government, but by God. Yes, an individual can give up any of those rights (e.g. it is possible to give up your right to life by taking another&#8217;s life), but &#8220;we&#8221; (collectively) cannot give up those rights. That is simply not possible.</p>
<p>Saying that we (collectively) can give up those rights makes them not unalienable, but rather conditional.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26790</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26790</guid>
		<description>that doesn't do justice to your kind words, but I wanted to say that I am thankful for the support your country has given to US foreign policy initiatives over the years.  I am honored to have served with a handful of Royal Navy officers during my own Navy days.  I remember the difficult fight you faced in Basra.  

If Tehran escalates its meddling in embassy business (in a 1979 kind of way), I pray that our leaders will do the right thing give you the support you need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that doesn&#8217;t do justice to your kind words, but I wanted to say that I am thankful for the support your country has given to US foreign policy initiatives over the years.  I am honored to have served with a handful of Royal Navy officers during my own Navy days.  I remember the difficult fight you faced in Basra.  </p>
<p>If Tehran escalates its meddling in embassy business (in a 1979 kind of way), I pray that our leaders will do the right thing give you the support you need.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: johnbgalt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26789</link>
		<dc:creator>johnbgalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26789</guid>
		<description>Freedom first, America second!

Not sure I am capable of threwing conservative or republican in anywhere on that list. 

But of course, I still believe it anti-American to be a democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom first, America second!</p>
<p>Not sure I am capable of threwing conservative or republican in anywhere on that list. </p>
<p>But of course, I still believe it anti-American to be a democrat.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: johnbgalt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26788</link>
		<dc:creator>johnbgalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26788</guid>
		<description></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br />
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26783</link>
		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26783</guid>
		<description>at the Dallas Tea Party, among others.  

See the link above.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at the Dallas Tea Party, among others.  </p>
<p>See the link above.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26781</link>
		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26781</guid>
		<description>Go here:

http://dallasteaparty.org/2009/07/live-video-stream-of-americas-tea-party/

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go here:</p>
<p><a href="http://dallasteaparty.org/2009/07/live-video-stream-of-americas-tea-party/">http://dallasteaparty.org/2009/07/live-video-stream-of-americas-tea-party/</a></p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26773</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26773</guid>
		<description>fight for a close ally, maybe.

fight ever endless fights for a bunch of people who don't much like us anyway? I got my fill of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fight for a close ally, maybe.</p>
<p>fight ever endless fights for a bunch of people who don&#8217;t much like us anyway? I got my fill of that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26771</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26771</guid>
		<description>In fact, when things get really bad, you will square your shoulders and fight for what is right.  Americans do that, and you being in Texas, makes it doubly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, when things get really bad, you will square your shoulders and fight for what is right.  Americans do that, and you being in Texas, makes it doubly so.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26768</link>
		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26768</guid>
		<description>Anecdote time.  After the 1992 election, I met a young Harvard Law School grad fresh out of HLS and a stint with the victorious Clinton campaign.  I mentored him for a time.  He knew I was a conservative Republican.  I knew he was a misguided youth.  He candidly told me he wanted to "change the world."  Unfortunately, every idiotic idea he had was outside the bounds of the Art. I, Section 8 limited powers delegated to the Congress.  He always seemed perturbed when I pointed this out to him.

I challenged him to a book reading endeavor so we could have more focused discussions.  I'd read one of his recommended books, he'd read one of mine, and then we'd discuss.  Funny, he could never come up with a recommended book.  (I surmised he never really ever read any books, other than those throughout his life he had been assigned to read by his teachers.)  I recommended to him Rose and Milton Friedman's "Free to Choose,"  among others.  But, he never gave me a title for what I was to read.

One morning he came into my office for our morning political discussion.  He was very solemn.  He quietly and seriously announced he had read "the most remarkable document" and that it had had a tremendous impact on him.  He was "blown away" by it.  It was one of the documents I had recommended to him, and he admitted to me that morning he had never before had an occasion to read it from start to finish in one sitting.  By now you know:  he had never read the Declaration of Independence.  

Of course, he had never read The Federalist Papers, either.

Or the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.

But, he was a Harvard Law School grad.  

Enough said.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anecdote time.  After the 1992 election, I met a young Harvard Law School grad fresh out of HLS and a stint with the victorious Clinton campaign.  I mentored him for a time.  He knew I was a conservative Republican.  I knew he was a misguided youth.  He candidly told me he wanted to &#8220;change the world.&#8221;  Unfortunately, every idiotic idea he had was outside the bounds of the Art. I, Section 8 limited powers delegated to the Congress.  He always seemed perturbed when I pointed this out to him.</p>
<p>I challenged him to a book reading endeavor so we could have more focused discussions.  I&#8217;d read one of his recommended books, he&#8217;d read one of mine, and then we&#8217;d discuss.  Funny, he could never come up with a recommended book.  (I surmised he never really ever read any books, other than those throughout his life he had been assigned to read by his teachers.)  I recommended to him Rose and Milton Friedman&#8217;s &#8220;Free to Choose,&#8221;  among others.  But, he never gave me a title for what I was to read.</p>
<p>One morning he came into my office for our morning political discussion.  He was very solemn.  He quietly and seriously announced he had read &#8220;the most remarkable document&#8221; and that it had had a tremendous impact on him.  He was &#8220;blown away&#8221; by it.  It was one of the documents I had recommended to him, and he admitted to me that morning he had never before had an occasion to read it from start to finish in one sitting.  By now you know:  he had never read the Declaration of Independence.  </p>
<p>Of course, he had never read The Federalist Papers, either.</p>
<p>Or the Northwest Ordinance of 1787.</p>
<p>But, he was a Harvard Law School grad.  </p>
<p>Enough said.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26767</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26767</guid>
		<description>to chunk it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to chunk it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26766</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26766</guid>
		<description>While we may not enjoy the fight that's coming to maintain our freedom, we are tasked with following through on it for the sake of generations to come, just as our forefathers did for us.

Thank you for recognizing what America has stood for in the world previous to Obama's administration.  Please pray along with us that we will stand for freedom and the spread of democracy once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we may not enjoy the fight that&#8217;s coming to maintain our freedom, we are tasked with following through on it for the sake of generations to come, just as our forefathers did for us.</p>
<p>Thank you for recognizing what America has stood for in the world previous to Obama&#8217;s administration.  Please pray along with us that we will stand for freedom and the spread of democracy once again.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26765</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26765</guid>
		<description></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br />
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26764</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26764</guid>
		<description>Nary a Wise Latina Woman in the group.

Posh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nary a Wise Latina Woman in the group.</p>
<p>Posh!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26763</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26763</guid>
		<description>Your post put me in remembrance of Tony Blair. Not that I believe that you support Mr. Blair's politics, from what I gather they were mostly disastrous.  But at any place and at any time I would be pleased to shake his hand, Because when we needed a friend, he stood with us.

Thank you once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post put me in remembrance of Tony Blair. Not that I believe that you support Mr. Blair&#8217;s politics, from what I gather they were mostly disastrous.  But at any place and at any time I would be pleased to shake his hand, Because when we needed a friend, he stood with us.</p>
<p>Thank you once again.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26762</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26762</guid>
		<description>you lack the skills required to follow a &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/mjb8dl"&gt;link.&lt;/b&gt;

"None but a virtuous people are capable of liberty, all others are in need of a master; revolutions cannot take place without danger when the people have not sufficient virtue." --Benjamin Franklin

I know of which I speak...

...do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you lack the skills required to follow a <a href="http://tinyurl.com/mjb8dl">link.</p>
<p>&#8220;None but a virtuous people are capable of liberty, all others are in need of a master; revolutions cannot take place without danger when the people have not sufficient virtue.&#8221; &#8211;Benjamin Franklin</p>
<p>I know of which I speak&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;do you?</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: youthgrunt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26760</link>
		<dc:creator>youthgrunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26760</guid>
		<description>They are UNALIENABLE rights. Deserve has nothing to do with it.

Who are you (or me, or Obama, or whoever) to declare if someone is "virtuous enough" for anything. What our founders were saying is that God has given us the right to our life, our liberty, and the right to pursue happiness--among other rights.

If we choose not to take advantage of those rights, that is our choice. If our government refuses to give us those freedoms, it is time to alter or throw off that government. But our virtue has nothing to do with the rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are UNALIENABLE rights. Deserve has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>Who are you (or me, or Obama, or whoever) to declare if someone is &#8220;virtuous enough&#8221; for anything. What our founders were saying is that God has given us the right to our life, our liberty, and the right to pursue happiness&#8211;among other rights.</p>
<p>If we choose not to take advantage of those rights, that is our choice. If our government refuses to give us those freedoms, it is time to alter or throw off that government. But our virtue has nothing to do with the rights.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: CairoFaulkner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/04/independence-day/#comment-26759</link>
		<dc:creator>CairoFaulkner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=2521#comment-26759</guid>
		<description>As one of your former colonial masters, I'd just like to say a few words. First, to echo the thoughts of Ayn Rand when she said, "I can say — not as a patriotic bromide, but with full knowledge of the necessary metaphysical, epistemological, ethical, political, and aesthetic roots — that the United States of America is the greatest, the noblest and, in its original founding principles, the only moral country in the history of the world."

Second, to say thank you for every sacrifice you have ever made, and every gift you have ever given, to ensure that the nations of the world remain free and prosperous, and to say sorry that so many of us seem to forget this.

And finally, may the members of RedState and patriotic Americans of all political stripes be successful in your efforts to secure freedom. It is not a responsibility you asked for, and I'm sure it is not something you enjoy, but if there is one thing I know for sure, it is this: the world is an immeasureably better place because of the Founding Fathers and their children. God bless you, and God bless America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of your former colonial masters, I&#8217;d just like to say a few words. First, to echo the thoughts of Ayn Rand when she said, &#8220;I can say — not as a patriotic bromide, but with full knowledge of the necessary metaphysical, epistemological, ethical, political, and aesthetic roots — that the United States of America is the greatest, the noblest and, in its original founding principles, the only moral country in the history of the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Second, to say thank you for every sacrifice you have ever made, and every gift you have ever given, to ensure that the nations of the world remain free and prosperous, and to say sorry that so many of us seem to forget this.</p>
<p>And finally, may the members of RedState and patriotic Americans of all political stripes be successful in your efforts to secure freedom. It is not a responsibility you asked for, and I&#8217;m sure it is not something you enjoy, but if there is one thing I know for sure, it is this: the world is an immeasureably better place because of the Founding Fathers and their children. God bless you, and God bless America.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
