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Thought for the Morning and an Open Thread

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  August 14th, 2009 at 07:20 AM  | 

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Here’s your thought for the day:

If the Democrats want us to treat seriously that Republicans wish to starve old people and children, then they must treat seriously that many do have legitimate reasons for believing the Democrats want Grandma to kill herself to help meet the federal bottom line.

Frankly, there is more legitimacy in the idea that Democrats do want old people to move toward assisted suicide because, for example, many of their noted “thinkers” have said so than the idea that Republicans want to starve people.

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  • EagleWatcher

    Terri Schiavo

    May she rest in peace.

  • jhleek

    Grandma = Wasteful government spending?

    Of course it is not directly in the bill, but as with any government program, as it grows, there will be a need to “cut out wasteful government spending”

    Sorry Grandma

  • George Claghorn

    The Senate Finance Committee took it out, but as someone else pointed out to me yesterday, they can always put it back in later without announcing it.

  • aeaeren

    Perfect example of Govt interfering into Private lives. If you are truly believe in individual responsibility and the way our Govt works then once the court ruled it should have been over.

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Gheraghty made a point that the townhalls may be steeling the nerves of some Dems, because they want to believe they are GOP plants not real constituents.

    Since you have a lot of insight into the Congressional mindset, what is your opinion?

    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWY0NDJhYzQ5ODYzNmMxZmVhMGI5YmEzZGY0NjlmYmU=

  • Dave_in_Fla

    “individual responsibility” … “the court ruled”

    No matter how you cut it, if the courts are ruling, then the government is involved.

    There was a completely non governmental option, which was for Michael Schiavo to give Terri’s parents guardianship and allow them to assume responsibility for her care, like they requested.

    Let’s not lose sight of who involved the government in the process. Since there was a specific individual asking permission to starve Terri Schiavo to death.

  • http://www.scottbomb.com scottbomb

    I think this is the speech I just heard on WBAP. I can’t access youtube from work but I found it by googling “reagan 1961 heath care speech”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

  • ColdWarrior

    People need to hear it. Over and over.

    I’m watching Erick right now on C-SPAN.

    Wonderful.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • ColdWarrior

    Haven’t yet finished my first cup of coffee.

  • janis

    I’m seeing daily, more and more who are protesting are not R’s exclusively. Even the lefties are pissed at O’s deal with Big Pharma, given that Big Pharma is one of their most hated bugaboos. For the Dems to believe what Geraghty posits, they’d have to live in a soundproof room somewhere.

    If we could add padded walls to that mythical room and keep them from ever coming out, well…….. :-)

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Since this is an open thread :)

    Time to get my geek on…

    Intel Core2 processor Q9650 (3.0GHz,1333FSB) w/Quad Core and 12MB cache, 4GB DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz, Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 Dual, 640GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ DataBurst Cache

  • Richard Mullins

    I’ll be looking to change this system once once again to AM3 setup(keep the same amount of RAM) once Windows 7 is available.Having a little AMD 4850e is ok for the moment.

  • Dave_in_Fla

    Everyone says they are better than equivalent Intel, but I always chicken out.

  • Ausonius

    Newsmax reported that NObama and his minions were prevented from rigging it:

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/town_hall_montana_obama/2009/08/14/247959.html

    It is 3:50 P.M. E.S.T. and I have heard nothing about it so far.

  • nessa

    http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/live-blogging-obama-hosts-a-town-hall-in-montana/?hp

  • Ausonius

    See:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/14/obamas-health-care-quest-heads-west/

    An excerpt:

    “BELGRADE, Mont – President Obama on Friday finally had to face a challenge about the bottom line of his health care plan at a town hall style meeting.

    A Montana man asserted that Obama would have to raise Americans’ taxes to pay for his plan to overhaul the health care system.

    Obama agreed that he couldn’t cover another 46 million people for free. But he told the man there are steps that he would take, including eliminating subsidies to insurance companies. Obama said instead the subsidies would go to low-income Americans to help them buy insurance.

    Obama also reiterated his campaign pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making $250,000 or less.

    Obama also said he isn’t trying to vilify the insurance companies, but rather stop their practices that hurt people.”

  • GregInFla

    sets in. Then we’ll all be rich and pay our fair share!

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    than anywhere else in the world.

    When we are done with our own hyperinflation we will look to Zimbabwe as a model of fiscal restraint.

  • Next93

    I hate to bring the Nazis into the discussion, but that’s exactly what happened in Germany in the early ’30s under thier “public option”, except it was the “feeble minded” and not the elderly. And I think that was *before* Hitler assumed “emergency powers”.

    The problem with the whole “death panel” argument is that, even if it ISNT in the bill today, how much of a certainty is it that it will become part of the program in, say, 5 or 10 years, when the program is threatening to bankrupt the country (even more than it is today)?

  • Next93

    If history is any indicator, the Obamassiah will be repeating his pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class while he’s signing the bill that will raise taxes on the middle class. Then he’ll blame Bush for the tax increase.

    Hey, it doesn’t have to make sense when you’re telegenic, right?

    This president is single-handedly proving that television and democracy are inherently incompatible.

  • mom2oneson

    I went to the website the said to go to www.walmartstores.com and saw this article:
    http://walmartstores.com/FactsNews/NewsRoom/9238.aspx

    I was on my way there this morning actually pulling into the parking lot when the ad came on. That is my last trip to Walmart or Sams unless it’s something urgent. That is so dumb the NEA has generated so much hate for Wal-Mart with the left since they support private schools.

    I’m curious why they would put this on the black radio station vs the other ones.

  • izoneguy

    I will quit shopping at WalMart – screw them.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    in a bit of a quandary wouldn’t it? All the grief they’ve given them about their lack of health care and other union “benefits” over the years and now they find they have to stand with Wal-Mart on something?

    From this article:

    Wal-Mart defends its stance as pro-business, calling the current system unsustainable.

    “We also believe that a mandate must be accompanied by provisions that will reduce health costs and dramatically improve what we get for our health care dollar,” said Leslie Dach, executive vice president of corporate affairs and government relations.

    Some see Wal-Mart’s move as self-serving, saddling smaller rivals with costs they cannot afford.

    Wal-Mart’s endorsement letter sent to Obama in June was co-signed by the president of the Service Employees International Union and chief executive of the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank.

    Joining forces with one of the biggest unions in the country seems an odd move for a company that long has opposed unionization and has been criticized for its low wages and benefits.

  • mom2oneson

    Wal-Mart for sure was pitching this on a black radio station. This was a S AL radio station – it’s a very republican area. The only place I’ve seen an Obama sticker is at the health food store and in our apt complex which is very close to a college.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    I was going to go to a Wal Mart Superstore tonight for my weekly food staples

    Now I have to decide between Target and Kroger.

  • janis

    principle at all. Big surprise. The unions want card check and universal health care with the public option, and WalMart just wants to preserve their bottom line. As Achance has pointed out more than once, companies like WalMart will do what’s most profitable for them regardless of what it says to their customers WalMart views their customers much the same way that both parties’ politicians view their base: “Where else will they vote?”

    WalMart has been posting good profits during this poor economy, unlike many of their competitors. Wouldn’t surprise me if they were rooting for the status quo to continue.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    Simple PR

    95% of blacks voted for Obama. I would suspect that blacks would still be largely supportive (not 95%, however) of ZeroCare™.

    The country as a whole is turning against ZeroCare™ the more they learn.

    Walmart is carefully selecting its audiences.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    is that I think the unions may have thought ZeroCare? as 6eorge calls it would be a fine first step, followed by EFCA to finally get Wal-Mart to bow to their pressure.

    Then Wal-Mart sabotages them by actually endorsing ZeroCare?. Of course, Wal_Mart might be thinking this would take some of the pressure to unionize off of them as well.

    Unfortunately for me, K-Mart and Target are in the most congested parts of town, then again I never bought groceries from Wally World anyway.