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A bit more than I had intended

I had intended to let Heritage respond and be done with my rebuke. The more I think about it and consider the responses I’ve gotten, the more I think some additions must be made.

The Heritage response really seems to boil down to two things:

  1. How dare you question the Heritage Foundation; and,
  2. Don’t you know who we are?

Unfortunately for the Heritage Foundation, the response, which accuses me of “misstating [their] writings” dodges, ducks, and weaves around my post.

First, and I think this is telling, I wrote:


The Heritage Foundation was instrumental in getting RomneyCare passed in Massachusetts. Because the program had Heritage’s blessing, it gave conservatives cover to support it. The plan is now sinking the Massachusetts budget. Why? Because all legislation is part of a series of compromises. Heritage laid a foundation onto which special interests and others could add heaping piles of dung — all the while with Heritage’s imprimatur on the plan. Now the dung heap that is RomneyCare, as passed by the Democrats in the Massachusetts General Assembly is a stinking, flaming pile of budgetary pooh.

The Heritage response cannot bring itself to admit or even address that reality.

Sadly, though, the far left Mother Jones not only points it out, but notes some of the central parts of Barack Obama’s healthcare plan come from the Heritage Foundation.

Second, the Heritage Foundation says

The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank that prides itself in offering better policy solutions from a free-market perspective. It is our responsibility to assess legislative proposals in Washington, research them and offer our members the best analysis available in America.

In other words, “don’t you know we are above politics? Don’t you know who we are?

As I stated in my original post that the Heritage Foundation seems to think totally misstates their position, “The Democrat proposal is nothing like what Heritage suggested, just with bits and pieces from Heritage’s proposal thrown in so people like Enzi have something to vote for.”

This all goes to the overarching point: Whether the Heritage Foundation likes it or not, they are part of the political dialogue. If they were not part of the political dialogue, why is Stuart Butler running around defending Ezekiel Emanuel from Sarah Palin?

He just can’t help himself — that’s why. Stuart Butler wants it both ways. He wants to be a part of the political conversation without actually being a part of the political conversation.

The Heritage Foundation is having its own work used against them in the healthcare debate. Now it’s having its own terminology used against them.

And yet, based on their response, they are perfectly happy keeping on keeping on because — don’t we know who they are — they are a think tank and they must keep thinking.

The Heritage Foundation, trying to separate its big ideas from the politics of the day, is being just as unconnected from reality in its ivory tower as Barack Obama is in his.

This is the real world. Words do matter. And the Heritage Foundation, trying to be helpful, is giving cover to a host of Republicans who desperately want to vote for something, anything to say they supported healthcare reform.

The Heritage Foundation has not learned its lesson from the Massachusetts healthcare debate and, consequently, will become useful idiots to the left in the national healthcare debate. The Heritage Foundation, because of political tin ears among its healthcare scholars, is adding confusion in the political discussion.

That is terribly, terribly unfortunate because the Heritage Foundation continues to be the leader of ideas for our movement. But having decided to remove themselves from the reality of the political conversation in order to take a high minded path devoid of reality, they have left themselves open to Democrats subverting their message.

Lastly, and the key here — note how the media is talking about Democrats embracing cooperatives. It takes a lot longer for the Heritage Foundation to explain that all away than it does the media saying “Democrats, like the Heritage Foundation, are now embracing cooperatives.”

It was and remains a stupid decision and an inane defense on the part of a very noble organization. It must be said.

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COMMENTS

  • Marcus_Traianus

    but Heritage’s reasoning was not what I expected.

    Being a regular reader of their site and contributor I was somewhat shocked at the frail, parsed statement which never disproved your original post.

    Will they try for round 2? I hope so, since some clarity is necessary.

  • Aaron Gardner

    As I read the Heritage response I couldn’t help to think that they were chastising you. They dodged your main points, whether out of cowardice or believing themselves to be above the fray is irrelevant.

    Tip to Heritage…don’t take a dump on your base of supporters just because you got used by the Dems and the media. That is, unless you don’t like receiving contributions.

  • jeffdickerson

    Erick,
    Regardless of whether or not I agree with you on individual issues, I respect the fact that you have the guts call it as you see it.

    Keep up the good work.

    Jeff

  • Ausonius

    where you hear the now questionable claim that they are pure conservatives who have not been infected by D.C.-itis.

    Mr. Erickson’s exchange allows us to ponder that claim, and whether anyone should send them $25.00 for a membership!

  • Cheryl

    and I too am a member of and contributer to the Heritage Foundation and I have to agree with what Erick is saying. Once again we have to explain our side to a media that barely gives us the time of day and only half gets right when they do. It’s frustrating. And what about Romneycare, they did have input and it’s in trouble. They need to come clean on that.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank that prides itself in offering better policy solutions from a free-market perspective. It is our responsibility to assess legislative proposals in Washington, research them and offer our members the best analysis available in America.

    In other words, ?don?t you know we are above politics? Don?t you know who we are??

    You analysis here is correct. And as soon as a group starts with that atitutde you know they are no longer or the side of the people.

  • aesthete

    And I must agree with your analysis. It irritates me that they papered over their involvement with Romneycare, and that they never really responded to Erick’s charges. I still like and respect Heritage, but they’ve been consistently wrong on the HC issue for some time.

  • janis

    swift and unthinking as Obama’s when he’s criticized, as well as just as devoid of an answer to the criticism. Elitism and pride can corrupt anyone and anything who refuse to admit a mistake or even their own capability for error.

    Is there ANYONE at all in D.C. who is grown-up enough to say, “I screwed up, that was a bad idea”? The rest of have to learn that painful skill early in life. I have no reason to suppose that anyone at the highest levels of government—or those think tanks– is any more prone to being perfect and mistake-free than us lowly peasants knuckledragging our way through the hinterlands. Erick, you were correct in your initial assessment and in this one, too.

  • Vegas_Rick

    Their response to you was political double-speak, nothing more or less. They failed to address your main complaints. Their message seemed to be:

    “How dare you criticize US?”

  • JadedByPolitics

    I told them I don’t appreciate a “Conservative” organization falling into the “co-op” TRAP that it is apparent even to us rubes (yes I used that word) out here that they are nothing more than a means to go to a public option. That the Conservative answer should be that 91% of Americans are satisfied with their healthcare and to DISRUPT or END what satisfies the majority for what REALLY ends up being 5 million people is SOCIALISTIC! There are already programs, Medicade, Schipp etc for those TRULY in need and for the rest their is their COUNTRY of origin!

    Here is one of the WORST examples of the BIGGER problem

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/immigration/6575281.html

    “Center says the treatment will cost it about $24 million this fiscal year, … The cost of providing dialysis to illegal immigrants doubled last year, with twice as many seeking the treatment two or three times a week, officials said”

    24 million dollars ONE hospital giving dialysis to illegals! They should have gotten the first treatment and then they should have been sent home to their country of origin for follow up treatment. The United States of America has the best healthcare because it is a business and EVERY other country could have the same if they were not run by theives and tyrants.

  • ColdWarrior

    And as for our “principled, conservative” Republican “leaders” like Enzi and company, here’s what the Party Platform says about what our Party supposedly stands for on the topic of healthcare:

    “Republicans believe the key to real reform is to give control of the health care system to patients and their health care providers, not bureaucrats in government or business.” (P. 37.)

    “Republicans support the private practice of medicine and oppose socialized medicine in the form of a government-run universal health care system.” (P. 37.)

    “Republicans pledge that as we reform our health care system:
    – We will protect citizens against any and all risky restructuring efforts that would complicate or ration health care.”

    Sure, some co-ops have worked. But almost all, if not all, are subsidized by the federal government and are, ultimately, controlled and regulated by the federal government.

    If co-ops for health insurance will reduce costs for patients and insurers, the insurers would have already created them. If laws are preventing that, consider changing the laws. But ANY federal involvement will be counterproductive.

    I called Enzi and Grassley as Erick suggested and also e-mailed Heritage that they just lost a member.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • janis

    Your words, “……EVERY other country could have the same if they were not run by thieves and tyrants.”

    That’s exactly who runs our country now. Gives one the willies to think that we are doomed to this fate. It won’t be because we didn’t fight with everything we had to stop it.

  • Rod_Patrick

    It’s my honor to read this piece, EE.

    No one is above reproach. It should serve as a warning to other “think tanks” like Ayn Rand Center, etc.

  • JadedByPolitics

    “It won?t be because we didn?t fight with everything we had to stop it.”

    We will have fought tooth and nail to STOP these tools and so we will always know that in our hearts!

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    They have been sending out so many pocket copies of the US Constitution the last one got sent out by mistake.

    Apparently they have none left to read.

    Why don’t we send them one back so they aren’t left constitutionally destitute.

  • AceInTX

    I’d like to see them address it as I said in your other thread…I’d encourage Erick to invite them back to address that specific issue.

  • Tbone

    from anyone inside the Beltway to make sense?

  • Rod_Patrick

    Listen to the Anointed One proclaiming the new Gospel of the 21st Century.

    Apparently, the Rabbis are agreeing.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/We_are_Gods_partners_in_matters_of_life_and_death.html

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    But you are fragging your own guys.

    Like a certain daughter of a certain former presidential candidate, you’re violating Reagan’s 11th.

    Right or not, I don’t see how this course of action is productive.

    You may also note that yes, they are the Heritage Foundation, and may have been preoccupied with other matters than addressing each and every one of your points.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Guys,

    I really appreciate the support here and I think Heritage has stepped in it, but let’s not throw them out of the movement or ignore them.

    The Heritage Foundation is a tremendous resource in Washington, a refuge for conservatives, and right on a great deal of stuff.

    I rely on their research heavily.

    Every group and every person can be wrong on occasion. This is one of those times. But they are still a fine group worthy of our support.

  • Leopard1996

    That he sat in a Church for 20 years with some guy stating that 9/11 was America’s chickens coming home to roost or, the The U. S of KKA.

    Qualifier for the libtards trolling the site, I am a 35 Year old African American

  • Rod_Patrick

    But this is a teachable moment for all of us.

  • Rod_Patrick

    But you’re wise. He must be referring to Allah and not the God of Abraham.

    Anyways, we can always ask the rabbis.

  • ColdWarrior

    What a difference having a conservative chairman makes. Thanks to a four vote margin out of 800 cast at the county convention. Received the following today from the Maricopa County GOP leadership:

    SO WHAT IS A “CO-OP”?

    Co-Ops Would Be Funded By Federal Government.

    “Senator Kent Conrad, a Democrat, proposed creating nonprofit, member-operated health cooperatives to compete with insurers … The government would offer start-up money — Conrad said $6 billion would be needed– in loans and grants to help doctors, hospitals, businesses and other groupsform nonprofit cooperative networks to obtain and provide healthcare.”

    (“Q&A- Co-Ops In Focus In U.S. Health Care Debate,? http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN3036815720090730

    “Reuters, 7/30/09)

    Co-Ops Would Be Regulated By Federal Government.

    “Advisory board makes recommendations to HHS Secretary who makes final decisions about approvals of business plans … Business plans must meet governance standards, and eligible applicants must meet the standard for non-profit, participating mutual insurance.”

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/Healthcare%20Reform%20Draft%20Proposal.pdf
    (“Senate Finance Committee Draft Proposal,”6/19/09)

    Co-Ops Would Force Individuals Who Want To Join To Go Through State Governments.

    “Co-op membership would be offered through state insurance exchanges where small businesses and individuals without employer-sponsored plans would shop for health coverage.”

    (“Q&A – Co-Ops In Focus InU.S.Health Care Debate,” http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN3036815720090730
    Reuters, 7/30/09)

    Federal Government Would Use Co-Ops To Monopolize Health Insurance.

    “[T]hese co-ops sound a lot like a health-care Fannie Mae and FreddieMac, which Congress created because there was supposedly no secondary mortgage market. The duo proceeded to use their government subsidy to dominate the market and drive out private competitors.”
    (Editorial, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574318474224065070.html#printMode
    “Fannie Med,”The Wall Street Journal,7/30/09)

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • http://www.incredibleco.ning.com Incredible

    No offence to either side. Calling them on it is one thing, dragging it out is another.

    The Dems are in retreat, their plan is imploding on them. Let’s munch popcorn and straighten out our own afterwards.

  • lthurwitz

    of any political persuasion eventually lose touch with reality and instead try to one-up the guy down the hall rather than finding solutions based in the principals that got them noticed in the first place. I think Heritage like other “think tanks” could use a little more time outside of the beltway and less time hoping to be quoted as the experts on the latest cable news fluff. These guys need some more time in the trenches. They need to get dirty and start bloggin’. Mix it up with the critics and the trolls and it might knock some common sense back into these points of view.

  • peg_c

    The beltway is a rancid cesspool of corruption. Heritage is proof. I’ve been a member in the past and never will be again. I still get their mailings and they are all going to be returned with red pen all over them.

  • antisocial

    Honest suggestions / ideas can be misused. They should be adult enough to realize that.

  • aesthete

    they should address Erick’s points. Doing otherwise wastes both their time and that of others.

  • purplehayes

    I am one who questioned you about the Glenn Beck boycot. How dare you come off whollier than thou attitude. When I emailed the companies and expressed my concerns they denied the allegations. So by asking were did you get your information is not out of line.Only a foll wouldn’t ask questions. I have found when you ask someone were did they get their information and they attack you most of the time they cannot support their claims. So get mad if you must. i will just go away because I only was seeking facts and apparently you don’t have any . If I want a bias rumor I just go to MSNBC or CNN. Thank you; Mr. Erickson

  • George Claghorn

    Go … anywhere else.

  • Old_Crow

    since they didn’t address the key issues you brought up. Bravo to RS letting them post their response on the front page.

    The truth will set you free Heritage.

  • penguin2

    Or one just like you. I noted that the PR departments had a set chapter and verse to put out and they did. There has been an abundance of coverage regarding the companies who either pulled their advertising or made adjustments within the FOX News Network group of shows. Jaded on that thread told the other individual that this site can be your friend. Read and observe and check, double check, etc. everything you read here. Nothing is posted as fact that does not have a link. Other posters immediately request links for facts if not initially presented.

    Good luck at MSNBC or CNN, now that will really educate you.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    Heritage’s response reminds me of Beltway GOP types. They won’t address the real problems. They don’t think they have to. They believe they are in charge and we don’t matter. Above all, they have picked Romney as the next GOP presidential candidate. As in their McCain pick, they’re not concerned with whether he can win, just that they run things. I continue to be a dedicated listener to Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, both of whom run ads for Heritage.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    That I had confirmed the information before posting. My error was in using the word “sponsorship.” The advertisers buy a block and those companies are now insisting they not appear during Beck.

  • bs

    some Republicans who are occasionally wrong about policy, and who some critics are far too eager to throw from the train rather than (as you have) calling them on it and urging them to come back into the fold. I don’t believe you have totally dismissed Heritage, but have simply tried to correct them on a specific point of disagreement. And that’s the way we should treat those politicians who do the same.

    Hmmm….

  • bs

    Try it some time.

  • bs

    That was intended for the originator of the thread. Please delete this comment, Erick.

  • Flagstaff

    by the Dem’s isn’t defined. Heritage doesn’t seem to recognize that they are being used simply by having their name and the word co-op appear in the same sentence.

    Even the AARP, fer gawd’s sake, stood up to being used by the White House (after they started to hemmorhage members, I might add).

  • Flagstaff

    It got AARP some free publicity. It would help conservatism in its fight against statism, and it would expose the misappropriation of words sans ideas from Heritage publications.

  • Flagstaff

    thieves and tyrants ourselves.

  • Flagstaff

    that platform more than once, if that?

    Yours was a great comment, especially this part:

    If co-ops for health insurance will reduce costs for patients and insurers, the insurers would have already created them. If laws are preventing that, consider changing the laws. But ANY federal involvement will be counterproductive.

    The public market place provides plenty of competition; the profit motive is a powerful incentive to save on costs.

  • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

    This is not the first time that someone on RedState has called out Heritage. Back in December, Brian Johnson posted an article (written by his colleague Ryan Ellis at the Americans for Tax Reform) titled Heritage Foundation Wrong on Healthcare?Again.

    He documented the many times that Heritage has sacrificed principles in an effort to stop the Democrats, only to watch the Democrats continue their march towards more control over the health care sector.

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    I have been so busy at work and or in my garden, I haven’t paid attention to the Heritage emails. Now I too am very upset. Erick is 100% right.

    I will not give them another cent. Rush Limbaugh still talks about them, it’s in his daily email to ask Heritage.org. It is in today’s. I will email him to take a look.

    I live in MA. I was against Romney care all along and hate it both as a citizen because we have to prove we have heatlh care in order to file our taxes or be fined. I am also against it because I have to do extra work in my job to show the Commonwealth that we do offer healthcare and prove to them by downloading how many hours every employee has worked in the period 10/1-9/30 and report how many were on heatlh insurance. What a waste of time and effort.

    I can’t remember when I started getting Heritage emails and supporting them. I was unaware of them helping Romney care here.

    Thank you Erick for exposing this.

  • zeebeach

    I joined Heritage last year, despite my very tight budget, because I’ve enjoyed their contributions to the conservative cause. Erick is right, however, and I’m most seriously unhappy with Heritage on this.

  • Leopard1996

    Allah is supposed to be the same God, as the Judeo Chrisian God, if you talk to the right Muslimn, but talk to the wrong one, and the whole thing gets perverted.

    But as far as Obama using the now “Moral” argument, I must retort with a few immoral blog arconyms.

    STFU Barry O,
    SMD Barry O,
    and a hearty
    KMA Barry O.