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Chris Carney (D-PA) Hints at Wanting Socialized Medicine In a Moment of Loosened Lips

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  August 25th, 2009 at 05:49 PM  | 

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Brian Faughnan noted the other day that up until this year Democrats have been pretty open that the “public option” was intended to be a back door into universal socialized healthcare.

Barney Frank, too, has pretty strongly hinted at that.

Up in Pennsylvania, Chris Carney, a liberal Democrat who tries his best to seem moderate, kind of sort of let slip in a town hall that, in fact, he favors the full socialization of the American healthcare system and views the public option as a back door to universal healthcare.

Rather, Mr. Carney said, he wants a bill that ensures insurance companies must cover pre-existing conditions and allows people to take their health care coverage with them if they change jobs, a concept known as transportability.

“A public option is something that may get us what we really want,” he said.

What does Chris Carney really want? Well, the language of the legislation itself provides a roadmap to what Carney wants.

Under the Democrats’ plan, businesses will get a $4,000 per worker incentive to push people onto government healthcare. (SOURCE)

Additionally, individuals who leave their current insurer for any reason – whether it be moving to a different state or changing to a different employer – will be forced to purchase a new government-approved private plan or to enroll in the government-run, taxpayer-funded “public option” for their health coverage. (SOURCE)

It all leads to socialized, universal healthcare. This is all in the legislation.

Carney, by the way, was at a townhall recently acting like he has read the bill. When people told him what is in the bill, he replied that the issue “is not in the bill.” Only later did he say, “The bill has not been written yet.”

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  • hakon

    You make Universal Healthcare sound like a swear word.. What is it that you really want? -Healthcare for a few lucky ones?

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    85% is a few?

  • hakon

    Ok, so a lot of people have decent healthcare. But I still wonder what is wrong with Universal Healthcare? I can understand that people are afraid of the scary government taking too much control of their life, but I can not see what is wrong with healthcare for all? Can you explain?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …because you can’t conceive of people disagreeing with you for non-base motives.

    You will now apologize to Steph C for your rudeness. Next post – and no “Sorry if you were offended.”

  • Vegas_Rick

    Big difference. But both are unacceptable. As for the reasons why, if you weren’t so intellectually lazy, you could find out by simply reading this site. But you, like most bleeding heart liberals, you will probably refuse to educate yourself.

  • hakon

    Excuse me..? I was actually hoping to listen to what you have to say about Universal Healthcare.. I assume someone else can provide a more interesting answer than you did..

    Anyone else care to answer my question above?

    Thanks for understanding!

    Oh, and if Steph C think that I was rude to him, I will apologize. It was truly not my intentions to be rude.. And when it comes to you Moe Lane, I am terribly sorry if you were offended..

  • Vegas_Rick

    Those of us who went to school and got an education and started a career BEFORE we took on additional financial obligations, got married BEFORE we had children, and then waited to have children until we could AFFORD to care for them, are NOT lucky. We’re conservatives.

    Those of us who lived within our means and actually saved and invested during the recent historic economic expansion, are NOT lucky. We’re conservatives.

    Those of us who rely on family and church, as opposed to government, to give us support in tough times are NOT lucky. We’re conservatives.

    Cry me a river about the “unlucky few.”

  • hakon

    Yeah, you’re a hero, I understand..

    I am sorry I decided to dive into this discussion. I thought I would get interesting replies, but the only relevant comment so far was the “85%” one from Steph C..

  • 10ksnooker

    Want socialism?

    Naw not really, what they really want is FDR Fascism.

    Let’s be precise with our words. As Limbaugh said on today’s show.

  • Vegas_Rick

    You took my comment as bragging. It wasn’t. That’s a NORMAL every day approach to life for most of us.

    What kind of person mocks those who do the right thing, as “heros”?

  • Vegas_Rick
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  • Richard Mullins

    why don’t explain yourself more clearly. Because it seems that you don’t have anything explain your position other than say your reason for Single-payer is because of those that don’t have healthcare. It seems that you’re not seeing to other point of view(that is other than you own). I’m starting to believe you are a bot and a person.

  • Martin Knight

    And what makes you think Government-run “Universal Healthcare” i.e. ObamaCare, will actually provide “healthcare for all”?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    The right answer was “I’m sorry that I was rude to Steph C.”

    Bye.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    I guess he hasn’t gotten that far into H.R. 3200 because pg 935&936 says the government will identify specific goals and objectives for prevention and wellness activities and will develop “Healthy People and National Public Performance Standards.

    Courtesy of: http://familyrights.us/news/archive/2009/august/detailed_analysis_1000_page_health_bill.html

    It sure helps to have a print out of that list when arguing with some people.

  • beanerecmo

    We have single payer healthcare; it’s called Medicare/Medicaid. Of the $750+ billion spent on both of those; $300+ billion is estimated to fraudulent charges, And, we want to turn even more dominion to the government bureaucracy? Why don’t they (we) work on fixing those programs first, as well as social security and illegal immigration. And, no, taking more money out of those programs to fund more of H.R. 3200 is not saving money; it’s a shell game.

    We actually have Universal Healthcare. Those with insurance are covered; those without are covered by trips to the ER and/or free clinics – just ask California how that’s working. But, why should the whole healthcare system be overhauled for 15% of the people who can still get care at those places? We do not have enough healthcare professionals as it is. And, if we go the wage and price control route; it will have the same results as when FDR, Nixon and Carter tried it.

    Let’s look at the cost of preventive care. There are many studies out there (one of which is www.ncpa.org/pub/ba188) that state it’s just not worth it. Those are numbers, irrespective of the personal nature of the issue. The resulting quality of life is not addressed. But, from and fiduciary point of view; preventive care costs more than the results are worth. Coldly, spoken, most healthcare is for people over 65; hence, the end-of-life counseling panels are set up to save money as Oregon’s panel was – no medication for the illness, but we have a prescription for you to commit suicide. Further, the VA ‘Death Pamphlet’ is now directed to be used. And, in it’s not so subtle way, tells the vet that if he or she is a burden, why don’t you just off yourself and quit being a burden to your family and society.

    People say that insurance companies ration coverage. People are not forced to go with one company or the other; they must read and get clarification from the companies on what is and is not covered. It’s called due diligence. There are insurance coverages for pre-existing conditions. Is it expensive, yes; it’s higher risk. It is just like auto or homeowners insurance; the higher the risk, the higher premium, but it is an individual choice. I am my brother’s (sister’s) keeper; the government is not. More bluntly put, I don’t want to pay for some ne’er-do-well’s insurance. They made choices that put them in their situation, as I have made choices that put me in my situation. I am not going to allow the government to punish or reward me for my choices, and I expect the same consideration for the ne’er-do-wells.

  • proudgop

    Carney needs to go down his district is Republican and he is liberal.

    Yet, Republicans still don’t have top tier candidate

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    …a copy of the Constitution. I’ve said many times and will say it again. If we don’t draw a Constitutional line in the sand here and now, forget the bill’s details, we may as well throw it out because it will have lost all meaning. We need to fight this outrage on Constitutional grounds.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    Rush and Mark Levin both discussed the Constitutionality of Obamacare yesterday. Finally getting the right message out.

  • izoneguy

    Majority of doctor’s won’t accept new patients under government plan

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/25/doctors-ready-to-just-say-no/?source=newsletter_opinion_headlines

    President Obama has said over and over that if you like your doctor you’ll be able to keep your doctor. This is patently false. If a physician opts not to sign on to a government-run option, and the government-run plan is what you’re stuck with, you will lose your doctor. It’s as simple and as terrible as that.

  • cclive

    Medicare or Medicaid patients then you’ll have to accept everyone else on the government option. Thats a good number of people and doctors won’t want to loose that business. They did the same thing with the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.

    And why did you just copy and paste your comment? Because in your link, commenter dolly1213 makes the exact same comment or are you dolly1213? Just curious.

  • izoneguy

    That was the 2nd to the last paragraph from the article…..

    Doctors are already declining to take MediCare & MediCade patients.
    Most doctors are also running business’s. If private insurers are forced out by government insurance then many doctors would have to close their doors. Most doctors are not multi-millionaires that can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars each year they work. And much of the overhead of a doctors business is dealing with government paperwork. National Health Care will dictate what a doctor will charge and add the burden of even more paperwork,
    a lose – lose for the doctors. Most doctors are pretty smart and would have to go work in other fields to support their own families. The end result will be a 3rd rate healthcare system – run & staffed by younger inexperienced people. And then we come back to those “un-insured”. They will be even more desperate because now they will have problems just finding a doctor – much less getting treated by one. The left never admit to the unintended consquences that “Universal HealthCare” will have.

  • cclive

    or work for a hospital. If they work for a hospital most likely they have to accept Medicare and Medicaid. Again review the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.

  • izoneguy

    http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/hospitals-see-profits-in-white-house-deal/

    But some experts wonder at the price of that political support. Alain Enthoven, a health economist at Stanford University, noted that $155 billion was only about 1.5 percent of total hospital revenue over 10 years ? even before taking into account the new, larger amount of money that hospitals can expect if more people have insurance.

    ——————————————————————————————

    So what are the doctors going to do when their salaries get slashed? Join SEIU and go on strike every three months?

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    German doctors strike raises fundamental political questions

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/aug2006/doct-a03.shtml

    For more than four weeks local doctors from 700 German hospitals have been on strike against ever worsening conditions of work in the form of unpaid overtime, unpaid additional paperwork and the dismantling of social gains.

    In a ballot held at the end of June, 97 percent of unionised physicians voted for strike action. This latest action follows the 13-week-long strike by 22,000 physicians at university hospitals, who had also fought for better conditions of work and higher salaries. An estimated 70,000 local doctors are now involved in the latest strike.

    The strike by physicians is significant because it is indicative of the shape of future social conflicts. An increasing army of highly-qualified technicians, engineers and scientists are confronted with very similar problems.

  • http://www.gopmom.com GOPMOM

    Every time they speak, they let the cat out of the bag.

    Tomorrow night (8/27) a self proclaimed pro-life Rep in MA is holding a Town Hall (Lynch, D-MA). The questions re: HR 3200 and abortion should be very interesting.

    I say let them speak. Every time they speak, our side gains more voters.

    And make sure you share that 1.7% of hospital revenue goes unpaid stat in comparison to the 1.5% kickback with everyone. To hear the Dems tell it, hospitals are going broke due to unpaid bills – the same bills that are bankrupting so many Americans apparently. We can not let them win the war of statistics.

  • cclive