Your Truther v. Birther Open Thread


If Barack Obama can hire a 9/11 Truther as his green jobs czar, maybe we all should give the birthers a bit more latitude.

Consider this an open thread.

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RE: The unemployment arc

Jack_Savage Friday, September 4th at 1:01PM EDT (link)

Just got the news that my company just laid off a pretty sizable number of employees. Most of my customers had a round of layoffs this week as well. Things are very, very bleak in the real world. People are understanding that we are a loooong way from being out of this thing, and are tightening their belts even more - personally and corporately.

Other than that, things are great.

 

Yes we should, since Chris Matthews is a Birther now...

JLenardDetroit Friday, September 4th at 1:07PM EDT (link)

as I’ll remind everyone of Chrissy (of NoBalls show fame) claims BroBama is really LAST KENNEDY Bro?!?! - Chrisy Matthews declares Obama last Kennedy brother. lol

(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (Reco) (Quotes) (removeRINOs.com) (Merry RSmas)
+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 

The White House should hire birthers to balance the truthers

civil_truth Friday, September 4th at 1:11PM EDT (link)
 

The correct amount of latitude

redneck_hippie Friday, September 4th at 1:24PM EDT (link)

I’d say is around 50 degrees, say near Irkutsk.

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.

 

Truther/Birther; same/same

Erick Brockway Friday, September 4th at 1:25PM EDT (link)

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Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.”
Ronald Reagan


Chip in to get rid of “Babs” (Yes ma’am) Boxer.

 

k, I'll take the bait

skully Friday, September 4th at 1:29PM EDT (link)

When hearing about some of these issues, my first response is ‘what would a reasonable person think’.
Truther = “George Bush brought down the twin towers”
Birther = “Obama was born in ”

Truthers never met the ‘reasonable’ test. What benefit did Bush get from it? If it was to launch the war against Iraq to avenge Daddy, why not recruit Iraqis instead of mostly Saudis? Why go after Afghanistan first? And even though he is/was the most horrible, worst president EVER (their belief), would he REALLY kill all those people just to launch a war? Not reasonable. Even my liberal friends (I live in union-rich NY, hard to find anything but liberals) would laugh at this argument. So the reasonable test is far-fetched for them also.

Birther - didn’t meet my ‘reasonable’ test either. How could he make it so far into the process with no one checking this (Hillary). But the one question no one reasonably can answer is “Why not just show it and shut them up?”
I know LOTS of Obama supporters who have doubts. Most of them, as I do, suspect he is indeed a NBC, but that the cert has some evidence of lies in his campaigns, books, etc.
We all saw the towers come down due to planes. NO ONE has claimed to see a document that 95% of Americans have had to show for some reason or another.
Is it a reason to impeach. Yea, right. Is it ammunition to be used for re-election? Why not! Let’s face it - many of the voting public are not very sophisticated politically. If this makes them question the candidate, do we CARE what reason they use to NOT vote for someone?
I also think the LAW is important here. If we care about the words in the Constitution, then we should care that they are followed. This whole ‘birther’ issue has shown the flaws in the SoS powers at the state level to block / require proof of eligibility.

Precisely right, Skully

RedBeard Friday, September 4th at 1:57PM EDT (link)

All Obama needs to do is to release the documents, and the Birthers will be instantly discredited and their yelling will ratchet down to a mere murmur.

Which, of course, begs the question of why he refuses to do so. What could there be on the original vault copy of his birth certificate that he doesn’t want us to see? There has to be something.

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

 

You were close, but then veered away.

Socrates Friday, September 4th at 2:36PM EDT (link)

He’s a natural-born citizen. It takes huge leaps of faith to suggest otherwise.

But he’s hiding something.

In any event, there is nothing in the Constitution about a birth certificate. They just didn’t know what life would be like 220 years later.


Gone 2500 years, still not PC.

I suspect if they did...

Erick Brockway Friday, September 4th at 2:56PM EDT (link)

n any event, there is nothing in the Constitution about a birth certificate. They just didn’t know what life would be like 220 years later.

…know what this country would be like 200+ years later, they’d have thrown a whole bunch of legal definitions in there somewhere.
It would be nearly twice the size just to make sure somebody couldn’t twist meanings.

Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.”
Ronald Reagan


Chip in to get rid of “Babs” (Yes ma’am) Boxer.

 

I did say...

skully Friday, September 4th at 3:26PM EDT (link)

I think he is a NBC. And that he is hiding (or lying) about something.

The Constitution necessarily does not provide a means to execute many of the powers it divides up. The fact that the words “birth certificate” are not in there does not make the NBC requirement moot.

Personally, my hope is to hear the words “former President Obama” after 2012. That’s only going to happen if more people vote for the other candidate. I don’t care WHY they vote for someone else. So, treating birthers like ignorant lepers might not keep them on our side.

I want to be on the winning team in Nov 2012, even if there are some whacky ideas that helped bring the team together.

 
 

9/12 DC marchers must ask the bold question: Obama are you a legitimate president?

njre Saturday, September 5th at 10:23AM EDT (link)

‘This whole ‘birther’ issue has shown the flaws in the SoS powers at the state level to block / require proof of eligibility.’
Actually, the flaws are at all levels of the electorate process. It all started at the DNC:
the chairperson, N. Pelosi swore to state of Hawaii that Obama is legally qualified to be the presidential candidate according to the constitution, although she has never vetted Obama (the only doc provided was the digital image of COLB on Obama’s own website, no hard-copy original birth cert. with conclusive evidence of his place of birth), and although the DNC has by-laws stating that the presidential candidate must be constitutionally eligible.
The states all claimed that they are not responsible for vetting candidates, that they simply relied on the DNC/RNC’s nomination paper.
Then the electors passed the bucks, then Congress passed the bucks, then all courts and supreme court hide behind ‘no standing’ excuse to avoid the issue entirely, then VP Cheney did not observe the rule in giving congress a chance to raise ‘objection’ at ‘counting of the votes’……..
Those are the electorate process flaws.
The biased mainstream media’s brain-washing of the populace steering voters towards Obama, and, the corrupt to the core powerful political and financial machine behind Obama completed the job. From voter intimidation to voter fraud to massive illegal campaign contributions to perfectly-timed manufactured financial crisis……The shadow handlers utilized every means possible to make sure no one brought attention to the voters of Obama’s lack of constitutional qaulification.

The ‘birther’, who are the ‘dualers’ now ( they are challengers of Obama’s dual citizenship rather than Obama’s birthright.) have been asking this question for a year. The rampant corruption at all levels of government and the biased msm have been doing everything in their powers to prevent the ‘dualers’ from getting the answer.
However, the ‘dualers’ relentless efforts have cracked the great wall of silence in the media spaces, at congress and in the general population.

The Americans will not tolerate a usurper destroying America from within!

Please see
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19423184/Who-Are-the-Patriot-Birthers-v3
for a long list of ‘birthers’ of all political persuasion seeking the truth behind the secrets that Obama is hiding.

The time is ripe for getting to the heart of the matter - Obama must answer the ‘dualers’ question - he must prove himself constitutionally eligible to be POTUS!

So come all ye patriot marchers at DC on 9/12 - bring your ‘dualer’ signs, ask the question boldly for the answer that coward Obama refuses to answer!
We are beyond anti-tax, anti-spending, anti-socialism or fascism. Obama must asnwer the question once and for all with conclusive evidences!

Bring a letter to congress to demand they follow up by investigating Obama’s eligibility!

Let us do it!

njre check this out
h ttp://www.scribd.com/doc/20917727/WHOARETHEBIRTHERS4-0
h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpQlTN9kgfo

No WE 9/12 protestors WILL NOT be questioning...

JadedByPolitics Saturday, September 5th at 12:16PM EDT (link)

his legitimacy we will be questioning his socialist takeover of our healthcare industry and the billions paid to Wall Street. WE don’t have time for trite bs that you and your lemmings espouse. WE are going to be taken seriously and let me tell you if I see a group of you idiots in DC I will be having my way with your crazy……you know what!

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

 
 
 

Do the "preposterous" test.

johnt Friday, September 4th at 1:58PM EDT (link)

What is more [or less] preposterous, that Obama was born outside the United States, or that Bush was a party to the greatest, most horrific massacre in American history?
Bush, supposed mass murderer , can’t even bring himself to respond to Hussien’s repetitive slanders.
Hussien can’t get thru the day without serial lies and demonizing any and all who dissent.

The problem with Hussien is not so much where he was born but the depressing fact that he was born in the first place.
But given the direction we have been heading in for years, if not Hussien then some other power mad statist hungering to ruin this country.
Van Jones, he fits right in.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

Not bad. A "Preposterous Test."

Flagstaff Friday, September 4th at 9:15PM EDT (link)

Sort of the converse of Occam’s Razor.

Let’s call it “Johnt’s Discriminator.”

In the case of the two Presidents, one thesis clearly fails. The other one fails too, but you have to think about it.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 

Has anyone else seen the banner ad for the Michelle Obama doll???

From ME to You Friday, September 4th at 2:04PM EDT (link)

I know that RedState has no control over which ads get shown…I jsut thought it was..ummmm…FUNNNNNNY!!!!!

MObama doll

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I would rather a Michelle Malkin doll

kyle8 Friday, September 4th at 2:07PM EDT (link)

life size. (I didn’t say that out loud did I?)

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

RE: Michelle Malkin doll...

From ME to You Friday, September 4th at 2:13PM EDT (link)

Yes, you did! ;-)

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He is definitely hiding something

arcman46 Friday, September 4th at 2:26PM EDT (link)

Almost all of us have had to produce a BC for such things as driver’s licenses and passports. While I have no reason to believe that BHO was not born in this country, I do believe he is hiding something. Could it be that Barack Obama Sr isn’t really his father? Maybe Frank Marshall Davis. The entire mistique of his life, starting with “Dreams of My Father” would be totally blown out of the water.

What we do know, ...

skorrent1 Friday, September 4th at 4:43PM EDT (link)

Courtesy of the birthers, is that:

*BHO, Sr was enrolled in Hawaii spring and fall, ‘61, and spring ‘62.

*SADO skipped the spring ‘61 semester.

*BHO, Sr maintained his own address in Hawaii while the address in Junior’s newspaper birth announcements was the Dunhams’.

*SADO and Junior showed up in Seattle a fortnight after his birth so she could attend classes at UW.

*BHO, Sr hied himself off to Harvard and thence to Kenya without his family.

From which we can reasonably conclude that the “Father” of Junior’s “Dreams” was little more than a sperm donor.

 
 

Here are a few relavent sections from the SF86

Dave_in_Fla Friday, September 4th at 3:04PM EDT (link)

It would be instructive to see the answers for these completed by people working in the White House (*smirk*)

9A DOCUMENTATION OF U.S. CITIZENS BORN ABROAD [STATE DEPARTMENT FORM (FS) 240, DS 1350, FS 545, etc.]

29 ASSOCIATION RECORD
a. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization dedicated to terrorism, and which engaged in illegal activities to that end, either with an awareness of the organization’s dedication to that end of with the specific intent to further such illegal activities?

b. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization dedicated to the use of violence or force to overthrow the U.S. Government, and which engaged in illegal activities to that end, either with an awareness of the organization’s dedication to that end of with the specific intent to further such illegal activities?

c. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization that unlawfully advocates or practices the commission of acts of force or violence to discourage others from exercising their rights under the U.S. Constitution or any state of the U.S. with the specific intent to further such unlawful activities?

d. Have you EVER advocated any acts of terrorism or activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force with the specific intent to incite others to unlawful action in furtherance of such aims?

e. have you EVER knowingly engaged in any activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force?

I miss the days when these forms asked you specifically if you are a communist.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

Are SF86s subject to FOIA requests?? nt

From ME to You Friday, September 4th at 3:09PM EDT (link)
 

Malfunctioning Compass by Teddy Kennedy

JLenardDetroit Friday, September 4th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

just thought I’d throw out there what the proper title of his book should be so we can refer to it as such to annoy the Left — it was as if his “Compass” was forever in the Bermuda Triangle and therefore Malfunctioning/Spinning and how/why he was ALWAYS going the wrong direction!

(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (Reco) (Quotes) (removeRINOs.com) (Merry RSmas)
+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 

School Children Sing Praises of Obama

izoneguy Friday, September 4th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

 

reminds me

DKing Friday, September 4th at 11:14PM EDT (link)

of President Bush’s embarrassment over his DUI of long ago. No one, even the liberals didn’t care. But by not mentioning it until it exploded on the scene election eve, it cost him, in my opinion the popular vote. I am sure President Obama, as has been stated above is hiding a personal embarrassment. I have a dream an enterprising reporter uncovers the source document on the eve of the 2012 elections! ha,ha

John Adams got along with Ben Franklin

 

Bring it on, Stevie Boy --nt--

6eorge Jetson Friday, September 4th at 11:26PM EDT (link)

nt


      Ummm…Who Threw Stuff Out?

 

Stevie, my point was

6eorge Jetson Friday, September 4th at 11:35PM EDT (link)

about the AP, not Sarah. Blatant fact omission.

When you got in a hissie fit in that thread (that you claim to be hallowed ground), what did you expect me to do?

While I was pissed at you, I forgot where I was for a second. I would have deleted the Sarah Palin clap clap if I could have gone back.

But if you would have just left it alone, the AP omits $2,000,000 on a story thats front paged by Yahoo while reporting on the $150,000, the shouting match in your thread would never occurred.

Challenge someone to a fight, you better expect a response.


      Ummm…Who Threw Stuff Out?

 

No comparisson, between birthers, and truthers

aprilnovember811 Sunday, September 6th at 8:08AM EDT (link)

http://americangrandjury.org/lucas-smith-affidavit-now-filed-with-the-us-district-court-obama-kenyan-bc

Lucas Smith Affidavit now filed with the US District Court - Obama Kenyan BC
September 4th, 2009
As of today, September 4, 2009, this Affidavit has been filed with the United States District Court in Southern California ~ represented by Orly Taitz.

This is a legal affidavit that declares Lucas Smith to be of sound mind and judgment. Lucas can go to jail if he lied on this affidavit.

When Judge Carter in Santa Ana CA was first presented with this case, he didn’t mock anyone, call it frivilous, or dismiss it. He said he understands the importance of Constitutional eligibility. He told everyone to be present in his chambers on September 8, 2009 at 8:00AM Pacific Time, and to have their papers in order. He is a former Marine.

The comparisson between the truthers and birthers, is nothing but an attempt to discredit people who know he is not Natural Born. I don’t believe for a minute, that GWB had any involvement with people flying planes into buildings, killing thousands of people. I do believe, especially with his questionable behavior, and pattern of lying, that it is entirely plausible, that he is lying about a simple document. One that shows he is not Natural Born, as he says he is.

 

Moment of truth for Obama ...

adriansoto Sunday, September 6th at 10:37PM EDT (link)

Considering the “bigger picture”, could it be that Van Jones is simply a “whipping boy” for Obama? Recall that Obama is just as radically caustic as Van Jones, Obama as well as Van Jones was NOT vetted, and criticism has been falling especially hard on Obama now that voters realize the “hopy-changy” Obama was really referring to was COMMUNISM.

Question: Is Obama hoping you’ll see Van Jones as taking the fall for Obama? Or, (attention birthers) is Obama hoping you’ll now let off of Obama’s not qualified status?

Check this out:

Attorney Orly Taitz has filed:

Hearing: Motion for Discovery of records showing relevance to eligibility

Location: Federal Court building in Santa Ana, CA

Time/Date: 8:00 AM Pacific Tuesday, September 8th 2009 (THIS COMING TUESDAY!)*

Judge: David O. Carter

*The day Obama is suppose to go before the Kiddie Tribunal and plead for HELP.

The above news of hearing was reported on KFI 640 on September 5th, 2009. She (Orly) claims Obama is a fake and that she has in her possession, what she calls, the original, genuine, certified Barrack Hussein Obama birth certificate from KENYA.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

 

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