On the NRSC Memo: What About Florida and Texas. And Fiorina?


I don’t know a single Republican leaning blog that got tipped off about Senator John Cornyn’s memo to the Senate Republican Conference. Brian Walsh from the NRSC just emailed to let me know he had, in fact, emailed me earlier today with a copy of the email. For reasons unbeknownst to either of us, I got one responding to the Devore press release, but no others.

The Hill, CNN, and other media outlets were furnished sneak peaks of it.

Finally, CNN released the text. What is more interesting about the memo is what it does not say than what it does say. Let’s dive in.

First, there is no mention of Florida. Remember Florida and Charlie Crist? By the way, watch this.

In Florida, the NRSC first drew the ire of the conservative blogosphere by lining up behind the fundamentally flawed Florida Governor, Crist. Crist made headlines when Barack Obama referred to him as his favorite Republican after Crist engaged in some love banter over Obama’s stimulus and environmental policies. Crist, too, is a cap and trade fan.

There is no mention of that seat.

Now, some might say that this is a seat already held by the GOP, so why highlight it. Except, the memo does mention Kentucky and Missouri — both held by the GOP.

Is the failure to mention Florida a way of avoiding awkward questions about Crist’s appointing his errand boy to the Senate?

Cornyn, a Senator from Texas, also does not mention Texas. The NRSC has failed to rally around Michael Williams, despite repeatedly fluffing up the media talking points on diversity outreach initiatives in candidate recruiting.

Is the failure to mention Texas a hint that Kay Bailey Hutchison may not continue her gubernatorial run, choosing instead to stay in the Senate?

Then there are two things the memo does talk about that need to be examined even more closely.
First, Cornyn praises Pat Toomey. Remember though, the NRSC went out of its way to find someone to challenge Toomey and failed miserably. Only then did they get behind him.

Second, there is this:

Additionally, two strong female candidates – Kelly Ayotte in New Hampshire and Carly Fiorina in California – continue to seriously consider bids of their own, and both poll closely with their respective Democrat opponents without having formally entered their races.

Let’s focus on Fiorina.

I have been agnostic on the California race for some time and actually thought the NRSC was doing a good job recruiting Fiorina into the race. I remain unconvinced that Chuck Devore can win in the general election. I intend, however, to let Chuck make his case.

As recently as two weeks ago, I was telling friends that Fiorina was a good pick. I agreed with Senator Cornyn. Then, however, I started talking to actual Californians who are Republicans and friends of mine in Silicon Valley.

While I am not convinced that Devore can beat Barbara Boxer, I am increasingly convinced that Fiorina will be destroyed by Boxer and, more importantly, Fiorina cannot win the closed Republican primary.

This afternoon, Chuck Devore’s campaign released a scathing press release on Senator Cornyn endorsing Fiorina, a woman not even in the race. In the press release, Devore said:

I welcome Senator Cornyn’s endorsement of Carly Fiorina, my probable opponent for the Republican nomination to defeat Barbara Boxer in 2010. Under John Cornyn, the National Republican Senatorial Committee has racked up an impressive string of endorsements in support of non-conservative, unpopular, poorly vetted candidates across the nation. These candidacies have thus far gone on to flounder or implode.

To be fair, it was not an endorsement. Cornyn and the NRSC have always been very clear in how they endorse. This is not it. But, equally fair, we see where this is headed — an endorsement.

After being badgered by California friends, harassing California friends to get info, talking with friends in Silicon Valley, and doing my own digging, I have come to the conclusion that Carly Fiorina will be to the NRSC what Van Jones was to the White House — a vetting nightmare.

In 2009, Portfolio magazine named Fiorina one of the worst CEO’s of all time.

In a state where a majority of believe George W. Bush committed illegal wiretappings of U.S. civilians, the wiretapping investigation at Hewlett Packard will rise again.

And there’s much more.

But here’s the nutshell: While I’m not sold on Devore v. Boxer, I’m convinced the NRSC has decided to go with self-funding names like Fiorina. And while that has worked for the Democrats, it has generally been disastrous for the Republicans. Any student of political history can pull up many more self-funded Republicans from the graveyard for losers than Democrats.

More troubling, I’m troubled by reports from too many people to count that Rob Jesmer, the Executive Director of the NRSC, is aggressively pushing a new campaign theory — moderates will win and conservatives will lose. In fact, I’m told he has been rather blunt in a few small groups that the GOP needs to reject conservative candidates in favor of moderate candidates.

Because of the moderate Republican senators we currently have, the GOP is in a very precarious place. We do not need more of them and the NRSC equation is fundamentally flawed.

The NRSC saw Chuck Schumer find candidates to the left of the Democrats and the NRSC now thinks it should replicate that success by finding candidates to the left of the GOP. We are now being left with NRSC recruits to the left of the recruits Chuck Schumer got. And that is too far left.

I have not been willing to take the position that the NRSC should stay out of primaries totally. But I have arrived at that decision. The NRSC is actively trying to undermine the conservative Republican base with milquetoast establishment Republicans the nation rejected in 2006 and 2008. We must not let them win.

Oh, and like with Florida, Fiorina cannot beat Chuck Devore in a closed Republican Primary*. Therefore, the NRSC will try to deprive Devore of money just like Rubio, helping him go limping into a general election. In other words, the NRSC would rather lose a general election with a conservative than help a conservative mount a viable challenge.

*The CA-GOP Senate Primary is not closed yet, but there will be a vote in two weeks to do so. Both Carly Fiorina and Meg “I Love Van Jones” Whitman want it to remain open. That should tell you all you need to know about why you should be supporting people like Chuck Devore over Fiorina. Devore is one of us. Fiorina is not. And if Fiorina needs Democrats to get her through a GOP primary, where will her loyalties be?

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proudgop Tuesday, September 8th at 11:41PM EDT (link)

On Texas its technically not an open seat yet and second I doubt you see any endorsements here.

I believe the NRSC and NRCC should endorse candidate just like the Dem counterparts have done. I realize its unpopular on this site but I am not a fan of these bitter and cost draining primaries which only benefit the inclumbent senators. A lot of these states have such late primaries too which really hurt us and have cost us so many seats the past several cycles.

When it comes down to blue state like CA (sadly it is blue state) I prefer to have someone who can make it a race. Chuck Devore does not stand a chance against Boxer; I doubt Fiorina does either but at least she can make Boxer sweat a bit and keep it a race which helps our congressional office holders in state with turnout and hopefully helps us keep the Governor mansion.

I realize a lot disagree with above because they rather have their principles be held firmly but I am willing to bend them when we can look in long term.

What's your basis for these statements?

Neil Stevens Tuesday, September 8th at 11:43PM EDT (link)

On what do you base this statement:

“Chuck Devore does not stand a chance against Boxer; I doubt Fiorina does either but at least she can make Boxer sweat a bit and keep it a race which helps our congressional office holders in state with turnout and hopefully helps us keep the Governor mansion.”

Why do you think one will do better than the other? Do you think Fiorina will run as a pro-abort or something? Do you think the whole south bay is going to forget her times at Lucent and HP? Do you think the base is going to ignore the Iran issue, which she’s yet to address?

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Hunch

proudgop Tuesday, September 8th at 11:57PM EDT (link)

Its probably inconclusive but she will pour in a lot money which Chuck simply does not have. Boxer is pitbull but she has played gender card against all her male opponents to a strong degree which will be undercut with Fiorinia candidacy plus her business background ( not sure if its total positive although) and the fact she just battled breast cancer I think won’t make a lot woman feed into the Boxer camps attacks on her on social issues.

This Senate Race is about Boxer. Most Californias do not like her or how she is uncompromising but they have never felt comfortable in choosing her opponents over her and thats because Boxer always pigeon holes her opponents. Usualy she does that immediatly after the primary when her opponent is broke.

The fact is if Fiornia survives primary she will win based on her being more moderate of the two which would help her in general against Boxer.

Just my opinion; can be wrong and to each their own as they say

I'm asking because of a hunch I have

Neil Stevens Wednesday, September 9th at 12:01AM EDT (link)

You say she’s more moderate; however her supporters insist that she’s no squish. She’s supposed to be pro-life, pro-growth, you name it.

So you’re basically confirming my theory that her supporters are running under the assumption that she isn’t what she says she is.

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Touche

proudgop Wednesday, September 9th at 12:05AM EDT (link)

I think she is personally a moderate on social issues and more conservative on fiscal areas.

I don’t think anyone knows where she stands on all issues. I can see how abortion issue is key for a lot primary voters but it would not be so for me. JMO Besides, focusing on abortion issue IMO just helps Boxer.

 

She's a McCain's favorite Neil...do we really need anything more than that?

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:27AM EDT (link)

and what’s he claim to fame aside from possibly being able to buy a Senate seat with he deep pockets….

Seriously…her business record isn’t all that impressive either…so why is the NRSC pushing her in the first place…and what is it about her that prompted McCain to pull her name into a debate out of the clear blue sky?

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Actually, yes you do

Neil Stevens Wednesday, September 9th at 6:15PM EDT (link)

We in California need facts to vote on.

Because to tell you the truth, if Fiorina really is as good on life as she says she is, then we need her to run for the House or something, and work her way up to the big chairs.

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I'm as pro-life as anyone...but pro life is on the back burner now isn't it?

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:45PM EDT (link)

I mean…the moderates in the Republican Party have managed to take that out as an issue and now we’re fighting desperately to get moderate/liberal Republicans to be fiscally responsible…and to oppose higher takes…with not much success I might add…I’m just waiting now for the last shoe to drop…maybe a David Brooks collumn stating Republicans need to get over Reagan’s desire to have a strong national defense…that seems to be the only baby they’ve not thrown out with the bath water!

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We've followed the "We need moderate Republican Candidates in order to win in blue states during the last two elections....can you please give me one example where that has been successful?

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:24AM EDT (link)

We’ve followed the “We need moderate Republican Candidates in order to win in blue states during the last two elections….can you please give me one example where that has been successful?

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proudgop, "rather have their principles be held firmly"

penguin2 Wednesday, September 9th at 8:32AM EDT (link)

Yes, as a matter of fact I would, and I intend to do so. Not defining and standing up for our principles is what got us in this situation in first place. Depending on what your particular goals or endgame is, determines the approach. Conservatives do not want Dem lite, Rinos, Squishes, etc. as our elected Congress people. We have been losing because we have elected just that type. In the primaries, I want the Conservative candidate, I don’t have to do anything else. After all, it is my money and choice regarding who I chose to give it to.

You see, I am Not “willing to bend them” (Principles).

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
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Of course it's not guaranteed that the primary will be closed

Neil Stevens Tuesday, September 8th at 11:41PM EDT (link)

But you bet your bottom dollar that Fiorinia’s people will be fighting for it to stay open out in Indian Wells.

I might get a chance to go out there for a day, in fact. Am looking into it.

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If you're a CA Republican....

Joshua Trevino Tuesday, September 8th at 11:54PM EDT (link)

…. the greatest service you can render to your party in the coming two weeks is to work, and work hard, to see the closed-primary proposal pass. Guys like Jon Fleischman (who is not, I must note, a partisan for any primary candidate) have done outstanding work in making this vote happen. It’s time to help him put it over the top.

We are but warriors for the working-day.

 

And why is it so important to the Republican establishment in CA or any other state to keep primaries open? nt

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:30AM EDT (link)

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Doesn't anyone pay attention...?

NeoKong Tuesday, September 8th at 11:59PM EDT (link)

McCain….yawn.
Palin….rockstar.

Shwarzenegger….sinking ship.
Jindal…..rising star.

Specter….traitor.
Toomey…hope.

Republican party…..doesn’t get it.
Tea Party…sweeping the country.

Dumb idea…“Hey, I know. Let’s move to the left”
Good idea “Let’s do something that people might actually like…like running a conservative”

The opinion of a wise whitino male.

555!!!

ceili_dancer Wednesday, September 9th at 12:15AM EDT (link)

55555!!!!! nt

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YEAH BABY...YEAH...YEAH...HEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:31AM EDT (link)

Great point NeoKong

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Rob Jesmer is a loser. Period.

AHALgal Wednesday, September 9th at 12:05AM EDT (link)

Jesmer is a loser with a record similar to Nicole Wallace and her sidekick husband and Steve Schmidt.

If any of the fratboy GOP senators gave a rat’s about their country, they’d start ditching Jesmers and shaming them from politics. The last time I said something like this on RS, I was told that I wasn’t DC-savvy. And you know what, I’m election-winning savvy, which is something the DC Republicans haven’t been in the past two cycles.

If any of the fratboy GOP senators had a clue

The_Gadfly Wednesday, September 9th at 6:05AM EDT (link)

about what is happening in the country they’d be tarring and feathering Jesmers so they could keep their cushy jobs.

We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

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Amen Gadfly...nt

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:33AM EDT (link)

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People forget California's really big Agricultural industry

Cheryl Wednesday, September 9th at 12:22AM EDT (link)

and the huge amount of taxes paid by this industry and the number of employed in this industry. The anger of that community is underestimated, I can’t believe no one sees this. If I were DeVore I would sieze on this because today with communities 40% unemployed there is NO LOVE for Boxer or the party she represents.

"No water, no food" signs were everywhere

Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 10:31AM EDT (link)

when I was in CA a couple of weeks ago. If the Republican Party hadn’t become totally DC and city-centered, there’s a lot of untapped political strength in farm and farm related opposition to Democrat policies.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

The Texas seat is a safe seat

Illinicon Wednesday, September 9th at 12:29AM EDT (link)

regardless of who the nominee is so that likely had something to do with the non-mention, though I would liked Cornyn to atleast highlight Williams candidacy. As for Florida, the non-mention is a good thing as maybe he got the point we dont like the NRSC being Crist cheerleaders.

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Ya wanna win in Florida?

GreyCloak Wednesday, September 9th at 1:58AM EDT (link)

Crist remains popular among the “all-the-voters” constituency in Florida (I was there the last two weeks). I’m sorry, Erick, but Marco Rubio is a good guy who’s time has not yet come. Y hablé con algunos Cubanos de Miami

In agreement with Erick, I like Michael Williams (I’ve voted for him) … he would be a good replacement for Kay Bailey. Perry has been running scared for months … fortunately, any Republican is likely to win the seat in the general election. My wife and I have talked with Kay … “Governor Good-Hair” has a significant challenge in the primaries.

Fallacy

cwilson Wednesday, September 9th at 2:28AM EDT (link)

Florida Dems prefer Crist at Tminus 1year — but that’s meaningless. Once you’re into the General election, they’ll have their own candidate — and thus evaporates the “Crist advantage”.

Florida Republicans, in general, despise “Prime Time Charlie”. However, even those misguided fools who currently prefer the tax-hiking ($2B last month, a week after signing a no-new-taxes pledge), anti-drilling (Sure, $4 gas is GREAT for Florida tourism!), Obama-stimulating moron will fall in line, when Rubio beats Crist in the primary like a rented mule, and they will vote Rubio in the general.

A bit of an anti-”slick big city DC grandee”, and a ‘divided government is good’ feeling, and a lot of Independents will break for the R, whatever his name.

Oh — and don’t underestimate the revulsion Crist triggered when he nominated his mini-me to the vacant seat. Even my liberal Gannett paper was…stunned at the audacity (of hope).

Agreed

mschmitt Wednesday, September 9th at 10:42AM EDT (link)

Despise is exactly the right word.

Frankly, whichever Republican is in the general for that seat will take it, but it will cost the party much less for the RINO to do it than for the genuine article. The RNC would rather take that money and shoot for 51 Specter/Crist/McCain types than bank 49 Rubio/Cantor/Jindal types. Shameless, and it’s wearing thin.

 
 

Some time's the greater victory is to lose in a pitched battle while weekening the enemy and going in for the kill later...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:40AM EDT (link)

The revolutionary war battle at Guilford Court House being a prime example.

But even that analysis is premature because no one has ever proven that Crist can win with a demoralized base….or that Rubio can’t win with an activated base combined with an agitated moderate electorate who is horrified by the havoc Obama has wrought and is wreaking on this nation with their support!

The issue here has always been…The NRSC needs to let REPUBLICANS choose their REPRESENTATIVES….I’ve had it with the imperial decrees coming from the Party establishment that we should all just SHUT UP AND GET IN LINE!

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Sigh...six more years of Barbara Boxer

smagar Wednesday, September 9th at 12:33AM EDT (link)

If Devore wins the GOP primary, does anyone really think he’ll be able to beat Barbara Boxer?

She’ll play the feminist card.

The California media will starve Devore of the exposure he needs to break through in the state. They’ll shield Boxer enough that Devore’s jabs at her won’t get through. I seriously doubt that Redstate can do much to change that.

Hey…I’m hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think I am.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

That Macaulay quote in your tag line.

Joshua Trevino Wednesday, September 9th at 12:51AM EDT (link)

That’s what we California conservatives — and yes, DeVore men and women — are asking guys like you.

We are but warriors for the working-day.

I we could recruit Liz Cheney to move to California

civil_truth Wednesday, September 9th at 1:17AM EDT (link)

Then we’d have a killer candidate to put up against Boxer, one who would totally shake up the normal political demographics.

Make that "If we could" not "I we could" -nt-

civil_truth Wednesday, September 9th at 1:18AM EDT (link)
 

Josh..

Cheryl Wednesday, September 9th at 1:19AM EDT (link)

I think Chuck can win this state.

I agree 100%.

Joshua Trevino Wednesday, September 9th at 1:51AM EDT (link)

But naturally I would. ;-)

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OK now that you've bashed DeVore

Neil Stevens Wednesday, September 9th at 1:34AM EDT (link)

Tell me a path to win for Fiorina that doesn’t win the South Bay, doesn’t win pro-abort voters (since she’s going to have to shout from the rooftops that she’s pro-life from now to June, giving Boxer all the soundbites she needs), and holds the base angry at the likes of Cornyn and the NRSC.

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We keep hearing from people like you..."Conservatives can't win" in Cali or NE...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 11:01AM EDT (link)

and Conservatives are never given the opportunity to even run…let alone win there…yet in the same breath we have to hear you whine and moan about how the Republican Party has become a regional party because we’ve lost all those blue states Conservatives can’t win in…(and moderates have lost in)!

It’s shear idiocy to continue to do the same things over and over again and expect a different result….We’ve gone from being a majority party to having our lowest numbers in half a century in two elections….Are the NRSC types or anyone like you looking to change anything?

HELL NO…CORNYN THE, FLORIDA GOP, THE CA GOP, AND ALL THE REST HAVE THE GAS PUSHED TO THE FLOOR AND ARE RACING TO DO IT ALL AGAIN IN 2010!

HAVE WE LOST OUR MINDS???!!!

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No DE Mention

proudgop Wednesday, September 9th at 12:36AM EDT (link)

I hope Castle runs for Senate in DE its best we can do there. Love to have Biden’s old seat and Obama’s.

Is that you dld? (nt)

Neil Stevens Wednesday, September 9th at 1:44AM EDT (link)

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Personally, I'm glad Colorado wasn't mentioned.

NightTwister Wednesday, September 9th at 12:37AM EDT (link)

It looks like the NRSC definitely backed off of supporting Jane Norton here, yet another fiscally-moderate Republican candidate. I was hoping they’d learned their lesson, but apparently not.

Frackin' NRSC

NightTwister Wednesday, September 9th at 12:31PM EDT (link)

I was wrong. They did mention Colorado.

· In Colorado, the problems continue to mount for the unelected and untested Michael Bennet. The Ritter-appointee’s approval rating has consistently been mired in the low 30s throughout his tenure in the Senate, and his chances of victory next year took a further hit with a primary challenge from the popular former state House Speaker Andrew Romanoff. All this comes as former Lieutenant Governor Jane Norton seriously considers entering the race on the Republican side, joining two other strong challengers.

No mention, of course, of the names of those two other strong challengers. This is beside the fact that there are now four other challengers in this race, and at least three of them would be considered strong. For those of you that are interested (and you should be), here they are:

Ken Buck
Ryan Frazier
Cleve Tidwell
Tom Wiens

This has be covered extensively by the Colorado center-right blogosphere, primarily at the People’s Press Collective. It got so bad that the State GOP office pleaded with people not to target Norton because of the rumor of NRSC involvement. It would appear that our fears were not entirely off base.

 
 

The NRSC Is Dead To Me (nt)

IJB Wednesday, September 9th at 12:52AM EDT (link)

(And will be for the foreseeable future…)

 

DC Savviness has proved to be the problem, not the solution

katesmith Wednesday, September 9th at 12:57AM EDT (link)

I thought everyone knew this, So Jesmer is simpatico with the group who did everything they could to get Obama elected (under the guise of running the “McCain Campaign”), Why do any of them still have jobs? It makes no difference to them that our country has been lost over the past 20 years, that they have played a big part in it actively and passively. They must think their vile behavior during the last election has no consequences. Where would they get that idea? They should all be forced to retire from public life in shame.

 

Not the party of Reagan!

Jesse V Wednesday, September 9th at 1:24AM EDT (link)

Sadly the Republican party is no longer the party of Reagan. Todays Republican party has abandoned fiscal conservatism like the plague.

Why this is I can’t fathom.

I will state to everyone - In some districts and states our conservative ideals and principles are alive and being embraced by those wishing to run for a seat in congress or for the Senate. Sadly the National Republican leadership regards being a moderate more palatable then conservative. Fools all who believe this.

With this in mind we must continue to work hard to bring back conservatsim to the party, or, we will have to form a conservative party. Unfortunately this country is not ready for a third party and a third party candidate would only severly hinder our chances to regain control of America starting in 2010.

So where we can, we must support the Republican candidate that most embraces fiscal conservatism and who can win an election. Then, that person will realize that “We the People” elected him/her and that they work for us. And if they want to keep their job, they’ll listen to “The People” who elected them. Whoa unto them who forgets this again.

While we do all this we must begin to change the party form the inside. Its the only way.

While it would be great if Boxer was removed from her Senate seat, and it is always a possibility, we can’t stress over Madam Senator. Likethe great Generals who cam before us, we must pick our place to fight so that in the long run we win the battles and then we win the war.

Our regaining control of our country and to a lesser extent our party will take time. We must be patient where we have to be and go for the throat in those states and districts where we can win!

“It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution.” - THOMAS JEFFERSON

Part of the problem is that even under Reagan,

The_Gadfly Wednesday, September 9th at 6:14AM EDT (link)

it wasn’t completely true that Republicans were the party of Reagan, especially when it came to the Senate. It is true that do to Reagan’s ability to quickly connect to the American people, the squishes tended not to be so vocal about their “doubts” about him, but the doubts and the undercutting were still there. Case in point: remember who coined the phrase “voodoo economics”? As for me, I would really like some “voodoo economics” right about now.

We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

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If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

So true

Jesse V Wednesday, September 9th at 10:47AM EDT (link)

It is true that Reagan would not have won his first or second election without the fiscal conservatives and Reagan democrats that voted in droves for him.

The big problem for Conservatives today, and then, was that many believed that the Republican party was a party that embraced conservative/Reagan fiscal principles and Reagan himself. Sadly that was not true. The Republican leadership at the time thought Reagan was a nuisance at best. That is until the “We the People” began to support Reagan, only then did they begin to support Reagan.

It was Americans who supported Reagan, not the party. Sadly Reagan had to run as Republican, and I’m sure thought he could change the party. In many ways he did. Unfortunately, as soon as Reagan was gone, the panty waisted republican party returned to moderate ideals. Granted we had the take over in ‘94, but the party leadership thought this was due to their moderate beliefs and not fiscal responsibility. See how the republican leaders in the congress and Senate were ran out of town on rails for any perceived, not factual, indescretion.

Of course there is much more to this story, I think most of us here are familiar with the whole story.

Point being - “We the People” must bring back fiscal responsibility to our government, and we also must take control of the Republican party and push the leadership that thinks they must be moderate to win anything out of power. We then will have a party that supports fiscal responsibility and can be a party for all Americans, not just moderate, left leaning, panty waisted, wackos.

 

Jim Baker was a master of undercutting Reagan from inside the Whitehouse! nt

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 11:08AM EDT (link)

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An unpopular aside

GreyCloak Wednesday, September 9th at 1:26AM EDT (link)

It seems Senator Cornyn doesn’t have to run for re-election for another four-five years, so he seems an obvious choice to lead the NRSC. In the last year, he effectively drove Arlen Specter out of the Republican party, losing the Party any chance at a filibuster, and ensuring that he became the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee. (Note to die-hard Conservatives: it is hard enough to elect Republicans in Northern States: from Jim Jeffords [lost the Majority] to Arlen Specter [lost the filibuster] to Olympia Snowe [probably the next foot target ... obviating any chance to stop national health insurance] no compromise on policy is the most effective way to defeat any good.)

But he must be a wise guy (Senator), because he took /a href=”http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00024852&type=I”>$62,847 from JP Morgan before the recent financial collapse.

Specter (”the traitor”) actually spent over two years working on tort reform for the asbestos industries, but Cornyn (who had not worked on the problem) voted down a compromise in the Judiciary Committee … maybe the top contributing industry to his re-election campaign ($1,339,208 from lawyers/law firms) had nothing to do with it, but “Haynes and Boone’s appellate lawyers work and play well with others, particularly trial lawyers.” : Haynes & Boone contributed $40,915 to Cornyn’s campaign.

I am a prejudiced Republican: While I contributed significant (to me) amounts to GW Bush’ Campaigns, other Republicans, and even John Thune (who won, far out of my State … good riddance to Tom Daschle), My Senator Cornyn cost me (personally) over $100,000 … compared to a little over ten times as many sheckels as he earned for the the Trial Lawyers: about $4 billion!

I now tell every NRSC, NRCC, and other Republican money-gathering machine (of which I have been a member in good standing for years) that “my Republicans [epithet deleted: "took advantage of"] me, so I have no money to give.”

I have no love for the Democrats, but I would caution RedStaters that undermining Republicans (even if “unacceptable”) is the road to ruin. Christ should win in Florida (he is popular among The Voters), Fiorina might make it in California, despite opposition by Republicans that are politicians first. Corzine will only lose if Republicans continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Even Kennedy’s seat might be won by a Republican, if the Democrats destroy themselves in the fray.

I suppose the principled stand on “values at any cost” makes sense … as long as no one minds the cost of losing any influence … when the “values” impinge upon decisions in which “the Government” has no real interest (think about it), it might be best to elect officials that kinda-sorta agree with you instead of those opposed to everything else you stand for.

Christ is popular in Florida, but

cwilson Wednesday, September 9th at 2:37AM EDT (link)

Crist is not, and it’ll only get worse for him.

State Farm, the largest private homeowner insurer in the State, is pulling out thanks to Charlie “Good Riddance” Crist. 1.2 million homeowners will be dumped into the “Citizens” public insurance pool (with higher premiums, worse coverage, and non-existent customer service). And when is this scheduled to occur?

At the end of next summer. Right before the election. Crist is toast.

We don't even get the option

SG_Lominac Wednesday, September 9th at 6:35AM EDT (link)

of paying higher premiums for better coverage with State Farm even if we wanted to. I am now stuck with Citizen’s. I receved my Marco Rubio bumper sticker in the mail yesterday and my wife promptly snatched it up and slapped it on her Prius. Another donation to Marco is in order.

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Siding with Specter on Asbestos? Really?

hogan Wednesday, September 9th at 3:03AM EDT (link)

Setting aside the issue at hand for a moment - your criticism of Cornyn for the Asbestos bill, while praising Specter, means one of two things. 1) you don’t know anything at all about the Asbestos issue and the legislation, or 2) you were/are with a company that was going to get a windfall on the back of the taxpayers and smaller companies that would have been on the hook had that miserable legislation passed. That bill was a pig - and would have created a monstrous Government entitlement for millions of people not sick from Asbestos exposure that would have cost hundreds of billions of dollars - a sum that actually meant something back in 2005/2006. Texas passed the right kind of legislation - a medical criteria bill - that has been working.

Cornyn was absolutely correct about that issue - and was a champion for tort reform in the Senate… working to pass the Class Action reform bill, pushing for medical liability legislation as well as numerous other bills.

I have a pretty good guess who you work for - but regardless, don’t side with Arlen Specter on “tort reform” legislation - it’s just nonsense to anyone who followed it closely.

He did say Cornyn cost him $100,000...so I'd say it's the latter Hohan...nt

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 11:35AM EDT (link)

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What a steaming pile of dung you've left on the floor with that!

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 11:31AM EDT (link)

In the last year, he effectively drove Arlen Specter out of the Republican party, losing the Party any chance at a filibuster

What would they have filibustered with Specter? Let’s not forget…he was one of the deciding votes which passed the Stimulous bill that Obama is now using to pay his Csars and coordinate his agenda with ACORN and his other community organizing groups!

and how exactly did Cornyn drive Specter from the Party? The NRSC were backing Specter right up till the day he flipped! Specter flipped because his constituents finally saw him for the lying, back stabbing opportunist he’s always been….he was a Democrat before he became a republican when he ran for the Senate…and he simply wen’t back home where he belongs…

forgive me if I don’t mourn his loss!

(Note to die-hard Conservatives: it is hard enough to elect Republicans in Northern States: from Jim Jeffords [lost the Majority]

Are you kidding me? Jim Jeffords? What did we do to force Jim Jeffords out?…He was a committee Chairman in the Majority Republican Senate before he decided he’d hand the leadership over to the Democrats?

Are you really that simple…I mean…to bring up Jeffords as an example of how “Conservatives lost the majority? Jeffords was bought off by Daschel for his switch…oh…and I’d add…Jeffords was instrumental in forcing the absurd “Power Sharing” arrangement with the Democrats on Senator Lott the elections before he betrayed the party since Republicans had the votes to control the Senate with the VPs vote…but Jeffords and company wouldn’t stick with the caucus!

Olympia Snowe [probably the next foot target ... obviating any chance to stop national health insurance] no compromise on policy is the most effective way to defeat any good.)

Snowe is our only chance of stopping national health insurance? You make this too easy…Why is it that Democrats are recruiting her so heavily on this thing in the first place? She’s the only hope they have of forcing National Healyh Insurance on us…and obviously they wouldn’t waste their time on her if they didn’t think they could sway her…or buy her off!

Give me a break…THIS IS WHY OBAMA HAS HIS BOOT ON OUR NECKS…because if idiocy like this!

compromise on policy is the most effective way to defeat any good.)

That is a self defeating statement since Compromise is the forsaking of a position to advance an item…if we compromise…we advance the ball closer to the Democrat goal…so what’s the point…as far as I’m concerned…Compromise is surrender!

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California stand up!

Jesse V Wednesday, September 9th at 1:32AM EDT (link)

Its up to California to change California.

If they want to keep Madam Boxer and the rest of the clowns that led them to bankruptcy and ruin, then, God help them all.

bankruptcy in CA is one ill we CAN'T blame on Boxer

MF Wednesday, September 9th at 1:42PM EDT (link)

Actually, Boxer has had no influence in bankrupting California. It’s our state legislators and Ahnold that’s done that. It is completely unbelievable the bills and budgets they pass. California politics are completely and nearly irreversibly blue. There are a huge number of people who are pro-abortion and will vote Democrat regardless of nearly any other issues, and another significant group who are LGBT who will never cross over to Republican. Then there is the ever-increasing union pull, who will pretty consistently (I’d guess at least 80%) vote blue, even though they may be split on the abortion issue or the LGBT issue. The problem is that the Democrats they elect don’t just vote “wrong” on one or two issues. They vote wrong on ALL of them. So we end up with bad legislation consistently, with no hope of anything good.

Oh, and of course that gerrymandering that guarantees nothing will change. A few locked in red (like my district), and a ton of blue that will be protected at all cost.

 
 

NRSC = FAIL...smart Conservatives give their money DIRECTLY...

JadedByPolitics Wednesday, September 9th at 7:16AM EDT (link)

to their candidates and NOT to the NRSC! They are literally infested with liberal RINO’s trying to keep the status quo and refusing to recognize the fundamental CHANGE that is occurring on the RIGHT and for that they are indeed FAILURES!

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You're right Jaded and the NRSC does not want to change.

penguin2 Wednesday, September 9th at 7:47AM EDT (link)

This story is aggravating. All I can see is the same old politics as usual for them. It looks like they are going to continue to be a Dem lite party. A pox on their house! As you say, we can give our money to the individual candidates. In the primaries, we don’t have to compromise on anything. Especially on how we donate.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
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"we don’t have to compromise on anything. Especially on how we donate."...

JadedByPolitics Wednesday, September 9th at 8:05AM EDT (link)

LOVE that statement, so perfectly said and right on the money!

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Exactly right

RedBeard Wednesday, September 9th at 7:47AM EDT (link)

Just as I have told the NRSC fundraisers and executives in perhaps a dozen letters, they (as a national organization) will get not one thin dime from me as long as the organization continues its mindless philosophical drift and its pandering to the left.

I am actively supporting individual conservative candidates like Marco Rubio. He actually has a good chance of winning the general election, if only the NRSC would quit trying to sabotage his efforts. And if he fails in the primary, then, and only then, will I support Crist.

The people of the Republican Party need to make the primary choices, not the isolated elitists at the NRSC. After the primaries, then the NRSC can properly weigh in to help whichever Republican is in the general election. That is the NRSC’s proper function, not trying to manipulate the party philosophy and anger the grass roots.

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If Crist wins because the NRSC actively sabotaged Rubio...why would you support Crist in the General?

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 11:42AM EDT (link)

I’d stay home….

if it’s an open primary…and the party stays out of it…and the moderate beats the Conservative…I’m the first one to say…fall in line behind the nominee and march to victory…

but when the moderates undercut and sabotage the conservative at every turn…in in districts were the Conservative beat their ringer…why shouldn’t we show them the same loyalty they are showing us?!

This is why I’m so frustrated…because the moderates and liberals in the Republican Party not only rig the game for their guys…but actively work in opposition to the Conservatives once they’ve one…yet we’re condemned for even complaining about it…let alone answering in kind which we never do!

I’d say fighting fire with fire is in order!

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So... you would stay home and help the liberal Democrat?

RedBeard Wednesday, September 9th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

How does that advance our cause?

I’m sorry to be so blunt, but conservatives with that mindset, the ones who stayed home rather than vote for McCain, are the ones who helped give us President Barack Obama.

I am a conservative’s conservative, but I’m not brain dead. A squishy moderate like Crist is infinitely preferable to a dedicated leftist Democrat.

Work hard to get Marco Rubio through the primary. And if that fails, work hard to defeat the Democrat in the general election.

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I'm saying we need to show the same loyalty to these people they show us...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

They lose in the primaries and then go out of their way to defeat us in the general…and undermine our candidates once their in office…so why shouldn’t we give them blow for blow what they’ve given us over the lat 4 years?

I’ve heard your arguments from every squish around here for years now and it carries no weight any more…I’ve asked a million times and head it asked a million more before from our side, “what do we gain by winning elections if our guys do what the Dems would do anyway…and I have yet to see the question answered…all I see is smears from the Liberal/moderate wing of the party on us for being “purists”, principled etc…(as if that were a bad thing)…but I don’t hear an answer to the question…

so here is my challenge to you…you answer my question honestly without attacking or smearing me…and I’ll answer yours!

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Ace, tit for tat sets us back on the long road to nowhere.

ocleverone Wednesday, September 9th at 6:47PM EDT (link)

We cannot stay home nor can we say “well they weren’t real Republicans”. We have a better chance of making them “real” Republicans if they are in office. Which would you rather to has listen to conservative voices - a somewhat squishy Republican or someone who did win an office?

Another issue I don’t know if anyone has touched on it is: Every time we stay home and yet another leftist gets elected, we reinforce the status quo of liberal representation and it makes it harder to win the next time around.

If we say we stay home/don’t help/do nothing based on “principles” isn’t our principles only one election deep?

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

Kowalski'ing (I should type when I'm tired)

ocleverone Wednesday, September 9th at 6:48PM EDT (link)

It should read:

Which would you rather to has listen to conservative voices - a somewhat squishy Republican or someone who did NOT win an office?

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

Oh forget about it...I'm going to go take a nap.

ocleverone Wednesday, September 9th at 6:53PM EDT (link)

:(

Sorry for the typos.

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

 
 

I would argue we're going nowhere now because of clowns like Crist!

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:05PM EDT (link)

We got the Stimulous because of Republicans like him…and I’m willing to bet we’ll get a compromise on socialized medicine when one or the squishes in the Republican decides they know better than the clods and clowns out here in flyover country.

We have a better chance of making them “real” Republicans if they are in office.

did that work with Specter?…Jeffords?…any of the other Judas Republicans we’ve had who sold us out for 30 pieces of silver?

Another issue I don’t know if anyone has touched on it is: Every time we stay home and yet another leftist gets elected, we reinforce the status quo of liberal representation and it makes it harder to win the next time around.

wasn’t true when Carter got elected…wasn’t true when Clinton got elected…and here we are 9 months into the Obama administration and people are itching to vote for someone who can stop him.

But what are we discussing now?…we’re discussing how the Republican Party has the gas peddle to the floor recruiting and promoting liberal Republicans at a time when the Tea Partyers and Town Hallers are looking for an alternative to Obama and the the liberal Juggernaut these same party bosses gave us with the appeasement campaigns of 2006 and 2008!

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No sense arguing with Ace

Neil Stevens Wednesday, September 9th at 6:12PM EDT (link)

Some people argue with facts and logic. Some people just do what feels good. Ace feels good when he takes meaningless stands for “principle,” that actually hinder his principles.

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Ace- I couldn't agree with you more

Scope Wednesday, September 9th at 7:37PM EDT (link)

when you support someone like Crist, you get more of the type of McCain, and the deterioration of the R party, which we all know is a non-starter- 2006-2008. I am so torn between voting for the R to prevent the D from getting in, however I think about the R’s such as Olympia Snowe, who I understand will support the “trigger” option in the Obamacare plan, and, you must wonder if it is worth just getting the R. Look at Specter, he was voted in as an R, how’s that working out lately? In the last election (2008) there were so many, many, many that were sick and freakin dang tired of voting for the “lite” version with R’s that it has so totally disrupted the R party, more than I have ever seen in my old life. As I have said before, it my fear is that with the chance the Conservatives have in the 2010 election, we will get more McCains, even though he was the biggest embarresement in the 2008 election. He was spanked big time, in 2006 the R’s were spanked big time, and, in 2008 the R’s were spanked big time- WHY- because they are too far to the left of middle. When will the R’s ever learn? With the NRSC, I’m thinking “NEVER.”

You agree with cheering for Democrat victories? (nt)

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I wouldn't cheer it Neil and you paint a false choice

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 8:18PM EDT (link)

I wouldn’t cheer it…I’d lament it…but id nod my head at the comeuppance! If the NRSC continues this stupidity and the rest of the washington establishment…they’ll deserve what they get…the hell of it is…it’ll be the rest of us whole be left holding the bag and paying the price because that’s the way it goes with these clowns…Chafee, Jeffords, Specter, Charlie Bass, Christi Whitman, Bill Weld, Pete Wilson, and the rest of these losers have wreaked havoc with the NE Republican Party to the point where there isn’t a single Republican from there in Congress…and they walk away and make millions as lobbyists for liberal special interests all the while plotting and scheming to keep control of our party in the hands of their ilk after we’ve finally rid ourselves of them…and to add insult to injury…after going to the well over and over again and dawing nothing but poison water…they spout off at the rest of us about how disloyal and stupid we all are for not going along with them…

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OK fine you nod your head at Pelosi victory

Neil Stevens Wednesday, September 9th at 8:22PM EDT (link)

Gotcha.

You see, we call your kind a fifth column, a socialist sympathizer inside our ranks supportive of our defeat.

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Your better than that Neil...and I can't believe you even went there...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:10PM EDT (link)

I’ve never painted you as a socialist sympathizer because you back peoiple like Crist, Specter, Chaffee…etc…so why would you go there with me…

I must say I’m disappointed in you after that and you’ve fallen a notch in my respect for you which I’ve always held despite our disagreements…

as for GOTCHA…the only person you got with that one was Neil

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OK, time to break it out

Neil Stevens Wednesday, September 9th at 9:49PM EDT (link)

“I’ve never painted you as a socialist sympathizer because you back peoiple like Crist, Specter, Chaffee”

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Bunny

You’re a hoot. Really. I’d link you to my Rubio donation online but the resources I can find only list donors of $200 and up.

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and again with the childish insults...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:42PM EDT (link)

I’m smart enough

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Ok, I get it. You're angry at the NRSC, Ace.

RedBeard Wednesday, September 9th at 8:51PM EDT (link)

Well, so am I.

The difference is that I can see that having Barack Obama in the White House is orders of magnitude worse than having a directionless middle-of-the-road-wanderer like John McCain. I did not vote FOR John McCain, but I sure as hell did vote AGAINST Obama.

Want to punish the NRSC for its bad habits? Fine. Do so by getting a conservative through the primary process. But this petulant nonsense of punishing the NRSC by staying home, thereby aiding the effort to push this republic into the socialist cesspool is, quite frankly, ridiculous and self-defeating.

If you can’t get the full loaf, accept half a loaf as being better than none, and then work all the harder to place conservatives on ballots the next time. Join your local Republican organization. Ring doorbells. Send $$$ to deserving candidates. But don’t drive a nail into your own eye and then say, “That’ll show ‘em.”

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5 (nt)

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Fair enough...but would you hold Crist and their ilk to the same standard?

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:14PM EDT (link)

My point is simply that I get hammered every time this comes up in a way the Crists and Specters and the NRSC types who betray us and actively work against us never are attacked…

All I see is people making excuses for them…and demanding that we shut up and get in line…then I have a moderator calling me a fifth column and socialist sympathizer when nothing could be farther from the truth!

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BTW...my original question was whether we should present these people with the same level of loyalty they show us

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:16PM EDT (link)

and the arguement becomes about me being a traitor and a Socialist Sympathizer?

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No...

RedBeard Wednesday, September 9th at 9:59PM EDT (link)

The argument is about you being so blinded by anger that you would allow the left to triumph by default.

Use the anger constructively. Fight the good fight. Hold the RINO-esque NRSC’s feet to the fire. But for heaven’s sake, go vote AGAINST the leftist Dem!

You don’t have to love the Republican; you only need to realize that there are very real, highly consequential stakes in the general election, and if you can’t vote for the perfect candidate, you must vote against the awful one.

Hell’s bells, I haven’t voted FOR a president since 1984. Every vote since then has been AGAINST the liberal/leftist Democrat. And that is every bit as valid a use of my franchise as anything else. My vote against Dukakis helped this republic. So did my vote against Gore and against Kerry. And if more conservatives had stopped pouting and gone to the polls to vote against Obama, we wouldn’t be in this current mess.

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Mayhbe...but I don't see it as blinded by anger...I'm angry to be sure...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:49PM EDT (link)

but I can’t believe some of you can’t see the problem of winning with these people in our midst…

It’s like saying George Washington shouldn’t fire Benedict Arnold because he’d been a good soldier in the past…and by getting rid of him…we wouldn’t have enough Generals to fight the British…losing him was painful to be sure…the hero of Saratoga turning against the country he’d fought so bravely for…but to have him in a position to help the British in battle after battle would have been foolish….but then we are faced here by sane, smart and rational people saying just that where the Benedict Arnolds in our midst are concerned.

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5 -nt-

bs Wednesday, September 9th at 10:59PM EDT (link)

Decorum is fo’ suckas

 
 
 
 

In a black and white world I'd be with you 100%....but it's just not that simple...

AceInTX Thursday, September 10th at 9:35AM EDT (link)

It’s nolt so clear to me that we’d be any better off with what you call a directionless middle of the roader in the White House.

First, McCain is anything but wandering…He’s a self professed defender of the environment who supports Cap and Trade. It could be argued we’d be worse off with him because the Republicans on the hill would be silent and let him pass Cap and Trade…it would have been done by now if he were president…He’s a compromiser by nature and we’d likely have the porkulous bill passed with a Republicans attached…I’m not sure if he’d have gone along with the bailouts but he did vote for Tarp and if he’d have done along with nationalizing GM and Crystler…but he’d have gon along with the Democrat Congress and saddled the Republican Party with the blame by puting a Republicn signature on the Dems bills.

Second…Congressional Republicans would have voted en mass for Cap And Trade and for other elements of the democrat bills passed because they would want to go along with a Republican President and help pass, “His Agenda”.

Third, we’d likely be fighting tooth an nail right now to stop him for pushing immigration reform down our throats….

bottom line is this…I do believe there are instances when having a liberal Republican in office does us more harm than having a Dem there…I’m not saying that’s the case with all RINOs as Neil makes it sound…I don’t want to run ALL RINOs out of the party as he would have everyone believe…nor do I or any who think like me 100%ers who want to destroy anyone who doesn’t agree with us on every single issue…all those arguments are straw man and red herrings.

But I do want to take an honest look at the consequences of electing anyone with an R by his name no matter what their policies would be in office just because they have an R by their name. I’ve been around this game for 20 + years…and I’ve watched this for all that time…and we’ve gained nothing by having people like Snowe, Specter, and Collins up there selling us under the bus and giving blue dog Dems cover every time we have a close vote on a fundamental issue!

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And Neil reads minds and argues irrelevancies

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 8:07PM EDT (link)

it’s not about doing what feels good. I’m simply pointing out the double standard. The Libs/Mods in this party get to be as disloyal, petty, and nasty as they want to be…and if conservatives dare complaion…we get the kind of pablum you’re dealing in with that snarky post you just treated us to.

Somehow we’re the problem…not those who are undermining us at every turn.

Riddle me this Batman…was it conservative votes that passed Cap & Trade through the House? Was it conservative Republicans who voted for the bailout and cap and trade? ohh…and was it three Conservatives who passed the Stimulous in the Senate after every single Republican in the House voted against it?…Hmmm?

Ohh…and speaking of the stimulus law that was passed…who was it prey tell that was on stage kissing NEObama’s ring and singing his praises to all far and wide as he begged to sup at the trough of Big Government? Ohh yeah…it was none other than Charlie Crist…you know…he’s the guy we’ve been talking about!

Was it a conservative singing Kennedy’s praises last week and lamenting the loss of his “Bipartisan” spirit in the Senate and weeping at the loss of such a giant of Committee and decorum in the Senate?…no…wait…that was Lyndsey Graham wasn’t it?

Ohh…and if we end up with a “Bi Partisan” government health program in the United States…will it be a Conservative who votes for it? and is it Conservatives in the “Gang of six” who the Democrats are depending on to pull their collectivist fat out of the fire after “Conservatives and tea baggers” spent the summer “Doing what feels good” hang Obamacare around the Democrats’s necks like a mill stone?

No…if we get Health Care…we’ll all be expected to shut up and get in line for Snowe, Collins, Grassley, Crist, Cap and trade Kirk, Graham, McCain, and on and on the list goes…and when the chickens come home to roost…it’ll be conservatives who will be showered with poop from the peanut gallery when the little monkey’s are faced once again with the desaster they have wrought upon us while detesting conservatives and making fun of the silly principles!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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I'll beat the dead horse some more, Ace.

Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 8:13PM EDT (link)

The only place in the Country that you can reliably elect a hard C conservative is The South, and even that is fading. Now if you want the Republican Party to become the Southern Party, go for it I guess. The Intermountain West is trending Purple, the agricultural midwest and great plains are at best Purple, even Alaska is trending Purple. Now just how much of the Country do you want to govern?

In Vino Veritas

In a rare kowalski, I'll agree with Ace on

Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 8:31PM EDT (link)

the inexcusability of Graham and Grassley being RINOs; those should be solid Red States with conservative representation. In the hard C states, there shouldn’t be any moderates but you have to understand that sometimes all you can get is all you can get. If you can’t get what you want and you can’t stop them from getting something, you get what you can and give them as little as possible. That kind of compromise doesn’t make you a traitor or a RINO.

In Vino Veritas

Fair enough Art and thanks for conceding that much...but what about a ble Crist in a Red Florida?nt

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:19PM EDT (link)

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when's the last time we ran a hard C Conservative anywhere but the south Art?

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 8:45PM EDT (link)

I mean…we refuse to run conservatives…we refuse to communicate conservative ideas…we refuse to debate the rightness of our cause and cede the argument to the Democrats at every turn…and what’s it gotten us?

2006 and 2008?…and now we’re saddling up to do it again in 2010.

By the way…if conservative ideas can’t win anywhere…why exactly is it that the tea parties and the town halls have been so explosive and successful nation wide? We’re out here in the trenches showing the party how it’s done…We’ve stopped the stampede for the moment at least all the while driving the debate along with Obama’s approval numbers into the dirt… We’ve hammered the Dem Congress to the point where even Democrats are freaking out about possibly losing control to Republicans this year…and the bosses are all sitting around ignoring us and plotting the best way to undo everything we’ve done this summer!

I’m going to make a prediction now…Obama is giving his speach right now…and within the next few days…Snowe, Grassley, Ensi, Graham…or some other genious will ride in with a bipartisan solution…I’m not a betting man…but I’m sure of it as I can be…Mark this and remember I told you so…

finally…as for the…We can’t win in blue states with a conservative…let’s say the arguement was that we can’t win in the south without a Klansman…would you be willing to sacrifice what is right and run a Klansman just so you can win?

As far as I’m concerned…we’re faced with the just as bad a choice and arguement…what we’re being told…is that we can’t win in CA and NE unless we run Socialists…and we’re being forced to swallow that choice as the party forces Socialists on us….as far as I’m concerned…a socialist is every bit as bad as any clansman only they use government to lynch their victims…and Crist is a socialist

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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Ace, you want to throw out half or more of the Party

Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 8:55PM EDT (link)

over what is a Caucus and Leadership Discipline problem, not an electoral or political problem. I really don’t give a damn what somebody believes or what they have to tell their constituents as long as they vote with me on organization, procedure, and the vote I HAVE to have, I mean really have to have, as in if I don’t need you now, I don’t need you.

In Vino Veritas

You are probably loads more experienced than I am

Leopard1996 Wednesday, September 9th at 9:24PM EDT (link)

But if the leadership is RINO at best, how would they enforce discipline. Right now it does seem that those that are in the leadership positions in congress now tend to just be statist light sometimes.

Hopefully that is starting to change.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 

No...I don't...I want to show 10% of them the same loyalty they show us...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:25PM EDT (link)

there’s a big difference.

Without Specter and Snow there is no stimulus…without Kirk Cap and Tax doesn’t pass the House…

And I’m not convinced things are as simplistic as everyone paints it…We’re seeing the country repulsed by what’s being done in Washington and desperately looking around for an alternative. I don’t think the red blue thing is what it was 9 months ago…and what’s got me so worked up is seeing the party refuse to be the alternative the public is so desperately seeking!

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Same Ol, Same Ol

michigan Wednesday, September 9th at 9:51AM EDT (link)

Just noticing that most of the noise opposing Democrat proposals comes not from seated Republicans. Senator Cornyn is a member of the political elite, rarely speaking out in difference of the “Washington D.C. mindset”. Sadly in charge, the good Senator needs to be a follower of a new generation conservative leaders that can be effective in protecting the intent of what the founding fathers of America envisioned.

Half the harm that is done in this world
Is due to people who want to feel important
They don’t mean to do harm ­
But the harm does not interest them.
Or they do not see it, or they justify it
Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle
To think well of themselves.

T. S. Eliot

Obamacare is on the ropes in spite of...not because of anything the Republican leadership has done...

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 11:46AM EDT (link)

The grass roots have beaten this thing back.,..and now the Kirks, (”Republicans have found their voice”) want to take the credit when they were ready to roll over an poass it just a month ago!!!

Bahh!!!

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Ace is RIGHT ON this....

JadedByPolitics Wednesday, September 9th at 8:19PM EDT (link)

It was We The People who have STOPPED this travesty so far. It is certainly NOTHING Republicans in either House has done. It would be great to find a Republican who can lead this gravy train that is being handed to them but I look around and see NO ONE!!! It is shameful that they are so bad that the people are the only thing standing in the way of the government destroying this great nation.

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Votes have not happened yet

SteveLA Wednesday, September 9th at 8:23PM EDT (link)

Jaded

You are correct that real people have been raising heck about ObamaCare, that much is very clear, but the devil is in the details and the votes.

Will elected Republicans do their job and “Just Say No” to ObamaCare, will BlueDog Democrats do the same? Time will tell if CongressCritters were listening to real people over the summer or not. Obama and Nasty Nancy will be pushing hard for sure, but hopefully enough listened to stop this madness.

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An endorsement by any other name is still an endorsement!

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

To be fair, it was not an endorsement. Cornyn and the NRSC have always been very clear in how they endorse. This is not it. But, equally fair, we see where this is headed — an endorsement.

You can paint a pile of turds whit…and it’s still a pile of turds…The distinction that the NRSC hasn’t “officially” endorsed Fiorina doesn’t mean they haven’t clandestinely and underhandedly provided aid and encouragement.

Seriously…if the NRSC recruited her…have they not endorsed her? does it really matter whether they call it an endorsement or not? Isn’t convincing someone to run while writing positive press releases and mentioning her at ever turn, at every fundraiser and meeting of power brokers in the party a tacit if not official endorsement?

Conservatives need to stop falling for the Moderate/Liberal game of using narrow definitions to describe their actions in an effort to deflect criticism from us of the consequences of their actions.

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I remain a Fiorina supporter (Elder?)

Josh LeGuern Wednesday, September 9th at 10:57AM EDT (link)

Because I think Chuck DeVore is hopeless, but I too remain relatively unconvinced that she’s a true-red conservative.

You know the ol’ Sage from South Central, Larry Elder, was thinking about joining the race. Why can’t he? He’s defintely no conservative, he’s a firebrand libertarian. But he’d be a reasonably high profile libertarian Republican in the Senate and could help us bring more libertarians back into the party.

Plus, libertarians in the federal government aren’t usually that bad as they tend to agree in giving states more autonomy, thus while they may push for less federal regulation on things like drugs and marriage, they’re generally supportive of leaving the states alone. And while they’re usually pro-choice (as is Elder) they’re usually anti-Roe vs. Wade, as it infringes on a state’s right to make law in regards to abortion.

 

Wake up People

Jesse V Wednesday, September 9th at 12:09PM EDT (link)

“An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation.”

John Marshall, McCullough v. Maryland, 1819

 

Charlie Crist

Bill from Katy Wednesday, September 9th at 12:27PM EDT (link)

I worked in Tallahassee with the Legislature and other branches of Government. Charlie Crist was a State Senator, the Attorney General, Commissioner of Education, and now the Governor. I know him to some extent.
He is a nice person but is always running for the next office. The perception by the Republicans and Democrats is that he is a moderate. Unlike JEB he will listen to all sides and not antagonize or penalize those who dare to say anything that is not JEB’s line.
I believe that he got elected because he was able to be a populist and shed the label of The Imperial Office of the Governor which JEB created.
Now to his ideology, he is not a true conservative. Florida Trend Magazine once ran an article about him as The Man is an Empty Suit.
Unless defeated in the primary, I would predict that he will win in the general election.

 

Remember

Jesse V Wednesday, September 9th at 12:38PM EDT (link)

“A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.”

Thomas Jefferson, 1774

 

To greycloak and any others

realskinny Wednesday, September 9th at 2:13PM EDT (link)

who push the “conservatives can’t win” mantra. Polling shows conservatives outnumber the Left in every state. Who represents us? The Democraps have been hijacked by the Bolshevics. Then the Republicans come in with a “me too” center left candidate. Often–especially in the Northern states–more than half the electorate has no candidate. Why do you think voter participation is so low? How many times have you heard people say “It doesn’t matter who wins. Nothing changes. They’re all crooks. Both parties are just as bad.”

The Republicans have been successful when they ran as a choice, not an echo. A huge pool of Americans are out there. We should run to represent them, not the government.` The voters are crying to be offered a platform of limited constitutional government. At least 20% of Democrats are conservative. Talk to some about policies–not party. It’s surprising how often they agree government is too intrusive and taxes and regulations should be reduced. When you say Republicans are the party of small government, they immediately say the Democrats are the party of the little guy and throw out the name of some damned RINO who has raised taxes or voted for some huge spending increase.

We should never apologize to the Marxist media; always stand for small government and freedom.. Our agenda should be freedom and our policy should be liberty. Represent the people, not the government. As Rush says “works every time it’s tried”.

55555- realskinny

Scope Wednesday, September 9th at 7:50PM EDT (link)

we will never rid ourselves of the RINOS, moderates until we understand what we are fighting for, rather than what we are fighting against. The message is so clear, yet, so many are too tied up in the minusha.

 

55555- realskinny

Scope Wednesday, September 9th at 7:50PM EDT (link)

we will never rid ourselves of the RINOS, moderates until we understand what we are fighting for, rather than what we are fighting against. The message is so clear, yet, so many are too tied up in the minusha.

 

55555 And guess what, it's what our Platform says we stand for.

ColdWarrior Wednesday, September 9th at 8:01PM EDT (link)

n/t

Reagan never went on “listening tours.” He told the American people he was a conservative and then explained what he believed and why he believed it. When we get candidates again who can do that, we will start winning again.

We’ll get those kind of candidates, and Party leadership, when more conservatives actually become grass roots members of the Party and work for it; that is, precinct committeemen. Fifty per cent of the slots nationwide are open; if conservatives rush to fill this power vacuum, they will take over the Party.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

P.S. If you don’t already know about the above, just plug the words precinct and committeeman into the Redstate search pane and you’ll get a bunch of links to articles my Martin Knight, Erick Erickson, yours truly and others that will explain the whole thing.

American first, conservative second and Republican precinct committeeman by necessity.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”

“Elections have consequences, my friends.” — John McCain

 

well said nt

AceInTX Wednesday, September 9th at 9:37PM EDT (link)

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