2,000,000 March on Washington (?)

Ausonius

I just checked A.P. and a story by Nafeesa Sayeed uses the phrase “tens of thousands.”

As many predicted, if thousands showed up, it would be a few hundred.

Millions become thousands for the MSM.

Wubbies World

The New York Times and Washington Post articles linked too on the Drudge Report are using 10 of thousands as well.

johnCV

Works for obama and the presstitutes….

michigan

The true greatness of America is not her leaders, but the People.

OccamsRazor

To Hell With Them. To Hell With Them. To Hell With Them.

E Pluribus Unum

You know how the Million Man March was actually about 200,000, the Million Mom March was 30 0or 40 moms and another 15 cross-dressers trying to pick somebody up.

The Promise Keepers never advertised anything about a million, but estimates have that at 1.2 mil. I think I’ve seen some aerial photo comparison, but I can’t recall, and it’s Saturday night and I’m not gonna look it up.

DONTREADONME

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE58B1BD20090912?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

sorry I did not know where else to put this, but WTH Zero and Dems? This makes you look even more pro-socialism.

IJB

Or did they just ignore it by running reruns all day?

OccamsRazor

And after the million march controversy whereas the organizers disagreed with the National Park Service, and it was then PC discontinued, as an eyewitness upon both events ….. this one was way larger (that’s a scientific term[s] )

OccamsRazor

I actually feel sorry for him.

Jack_Savage

This is arrogance, hubris and an incredibly inflated sense of self at work. It is very nearly like he is living in some alternate KosKid universe.

He can lead all the lefty lemmings straight off the cliff.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

–per their 8:00 pm EST top-of-the-hour news update.The thing is, if it was *only* “tens of thousands” it would not have made the MSM news at all. The fact that its being reported at all shows the MSM is listening/watching, which is better than I can say about their response in the past.

JadedByPolitics

I have spoken with a couple of people I know who live in DC and they have seen marches down there for decades….it was NO LESS then 1.5 MILLION marchers. DO NOT LET THEM TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY. I have been to protests myself and there was NO BREATHING room down Pennsylvania ave from the WH to the Congress including surrounding the reflecting pool.

I tell you what they can LIE but this is HUGE and CHANGE is coming to DC in the form of Conservatism so the D’s better get ready to lose a lot of seats and those D’lite R’s better get ready for some serious Conservatism in the Republican Party…..We are the one’s we have been waiting for AKA AMERICANS!

bs

I saw it on a TV at the coffee shop where I was, but they had the sound turned down, so I’m not sure what they were reporting. But it *was* on.

clement

I’ve seen video of both CNN and MSNBC with reporter on the ground in the crowd. They at least didn’t go after the protesters like that one lady from CNN did on April 15th.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

in an obvious attempt by Obama, Gibbs, and and MSM to try to distract attention from the activites in Washington, DC and across the nation. Their actions show (even if they won’t admit it) show they recognize they are losing.

ocleverone

This was no “tens of thousands” this was far far larger than that. It was nothing short of an ocean of Americans. They want to marginalize us.

Moe said it “We are the calvary” – and we have arrived.

SteveLA

nohone2

Before the Obama Coronation, the “press” kept telling us that millions would be in attendance. Remember the excitement, the Beatles-esque hysteria, the screaming and crying libs trying to just get a glimpse of the greatness of the Obama? Remember Images of people excitedly and proudly showing their tickets on TV? Remember the clamoring just to hear the oh so precious words of the One? Remember the talk over wether there would be enough porta-pottys? The official number according to Arizona State based upon satellite images was 800,000.

This was 2.5 times that amount. And does not count the millions across the country who attended outside of Washington.

smagar

Maybe the MSM will lull the Dems into a false sense of security.

The Tea Partiers will know they’re being lied about, and that will make them madder. Mad people can easily become determined, focused people. Especially the Tea Partiers.

Time to go take back a Congress.

Think of it—a House under GOP control….with subpoena power. Run that vision by the Tea Partiers—especially after the Sunday shows and CNN get through insulting them—-and I’ll bet you find many, many interested takers.

Bobcat51

of the MSM were out of town searching for ACORNS!

Maybe they were covering the Dictators speech in front of his 15 thousand sycophants in Minnesota ?

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

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ocleverone

There is so much flying around in this administration and Congress that it needs to stop now before more spending, more socialism and more liberties get thrown under the bus.

I want everyone one of those Congressmen and Senators and this administration to understand that they are not our rulers, they are not our superiors, they work for us – not the other way around.

I want every government official to look at the videos, look at the pictures, listen to the audio and say “Crikeys, these millions of voters are ticked”.

http://www.serr8d.blogspot.com serr8d

it doesn’t matter. I was there in spirit, wishing I was there in boots.

No matter what leftists and Charles Johnson think, there’s a positive Conservative movement that’s bent on saving our Republic. Because we have had the farthest-left political shift in American history: BHO is much worse and farther left than FDR or LBJ, and he is now disguising his true intent, his true passion for extreme CHANGE, because WE have our eyes on him.

But know this: no matter who says BHO is ‘centrist’, that is not true. BHO spent 20 years studying racist Black Liberation Theology (a Marxist ‘religion’) under a hateful pastor, and the only reason he hasn’t yet made even more decidedly leftist shifts is the state of the economy and the remaining Conservatives who are watching, watching him.

The GOP needs our input, because many of those elected are frightened enough to join BHO in his direction, and take his lead. Let’s stay Community Organized, Alinsky-style if needed, and save our nation!

Bobcat51

got it right. You must go outdide of America to get the real US News.

Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama’s spending in ‘tea-party’ demonstrationBy Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 9:39 PM on 12th September 2009

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html

rec0n

kinda works for me too

Ausonius

I do not have cable TV, so I do not know this first-hand. Some have told me that FOX has been treading lightly, so that they do not completely alienate NObama’s administration and lose all access to insiders. Is that why they are parroting the lower number?

Given the Glenn Beck attack on the czars, this idea would not necessarily seem to be correct.

Those of you with cable: have you noticed a softer, more MSM tone on FOX News?

http://www.scottbomb.com scottbomb

When conservatives protest, most all of the signs are home-made and people actually drive or fly themselves there.

When liberals protest, most of the signs are mass-produced and the protesters are bussed in.

Interesting….

mikedaire

…never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Let the MSM continue their dismissing of the American people while they fawn all over Obama. At present some conservative estimates are the Republicans will take between 21 and 30 seats in the house and a few in the Senate. If the Dems continue to dismiss what the country wants because they believe their own press, those net change numbers will continue to grow until they reach 1994 proportions. Now if only a Republican leader would emerge promoting a plan like Newt’s Contract with America,

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

by using sampling size several times too large for Obama’s joint session whine-a-thon and using registered voters rather than likely voters for all their other polls. Smagar is correct. The liberals and the MSM can ignore reality at their own peril. Come election time, they won’t know what hit them.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Great work. Thanks for the link.

loupgarou1317

Just let the left kooks think they have controll…..till Nov 2010 and they have to pack up and leave…..until then let them make the biggest fools of themselves and keep handing us the “ammo” needed to use in ads, ground work and calls…..remember they are hiding behind the MSM so they will not get the whole story anyway……no need for them to stop drinking the O-aid till they get the final dose……

blaze422

Why doesn’t Newt tomorrow on Meet the Press bring a glossy of the arial photo and show it to the camera and ask if that looks like tens of thousands.

rec0n

just warms my heart – what a thing of beauty these Patriots have done. I thank them all.

$peciallist

Win!

nivlem

It was HUGE. A sea of people as far as the eye could see on the Capital lawn. They were everywhere.
I had no idea there were port-a-johns. We didn’t see a single one. I guess it was because they were expecting 20-30 thousand people, not 1.5+ million.
When we went out of the metro the attendant stated they were not prepared for such a large crowd.
People were awesome. Kind to each other. Engaging, Frendly. Signs were awesome.
It was an unbelieveable day to make history with these people. The best sign I saw said:

” It really doesn’t matter what I put on this sign. You will call it racist”.

People drove three days from California. Busolads of people road on buses all night, came to the March, and road the bus home all night. These are awesome people.
It was a day of pride and honor to know there are such fabulous people in
our wonderful country fighting to protect our freedoms.
Hold your heads high today Conservatives….these people made us all look good. Most people that we spoke with are ready to fight, and know this is only the beginning. There were not any quitters in this 1.5 to 2 mil. protesters.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I’m sorry guys but it wasn’t 2,000,000. The UK papers were just citing the figure misattributed to ABC. It only hurts us to go around citing vastly inflated numbers.

bs

ABC? NBC? CBS? MSNBC?

I’m sorry, bub, but your opinion’s worth about what the MSM’s is. Squat.

Oh, unless you were there personally counting heads. If so, I apologize.

blaze422

http://images.politico.com/global/news/090912_kennedysign_smith_a624.jpg

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I was there.

My information comes from the fact that the 2 million figure came from a claim misattributed to ABC and then was just repeated over and over. Check Malkin if you don’t believe me.

Personally, I’d figure 200,000+, which is great. But it does us no good to go around repeating a figure made up whole cloth just cause we want it to be true. That’s what liberals do. Why not be sensible and wait for real estimates from the organizers/police?

Or you can just attack me again.

http://www.serr8d.blogspot.com Serr8d

because this morning the twitterers were discussing crowd sizes. @JakeTapper said 2M was a bit overstated.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

Agreed.

But what we, and the GOP, really need is our participation at the grass roots level within the Party to remake it into a CONSERVATIVE powerhouse. Right now, it’s at operating at half strength with about a 50-50 spit between conservatives and moderates (aka as RINOs — Republicans In Name Only).

What the GOP needs, more, is an influx of conservatives at the grass roots, precinct committeeman level. We conservatives can re-take control of the leadership of the Party, and the conservative candidates will more likely win in the Republican Party, if we will come into the Party as precinct committeemen. You say you want a revolution? Make it happen as a precinct committeeman. Now. It only takes a couple of hours of effort a month.

Erick Erickson, Martin Knight, Moe Lane, I and others have posted about this here at Redstate.

Go here for an overview of how we are trying to create that influx of conservatives in Maricopa County, Arizona where I live (and having some success), and where you’ll find links to more information on why this is so vitally important:

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2009/09/02/434-new-conservative-precinct-committeemen-and-counting/

We need you in the Party as a precinct committeeman if you aren’t one already.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

bs

does not provide you any more insight than anyone else, seeing as I doubt you counted them. There were plenty of pictures provided that give us all quite a good idea of the crowd.

The fact is that the MSM is vastly understating it. You don’t need to help them.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

When you’re in a whole, stop digging. I’m not talking about using MSM numbers. I’m talking about using common sense. And yes, it does matter that I was there because I know what 2 million people looks like and that was not it. Sorry.

I’m glad to see Erickson acknowledge the radically inflated nature of that number, which was my intention. We need to show that we don’t play at their level.

The left is going to do everything they can to marginalize and discredit it, running around screaming 2 million is what will really help them.

OccamsRazor

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dwarfmama

Did anybody get a picture of what the place looked like after the crowd was gone? To contrast with the pictures after the Inauguration?

bs

I didn’t realize I was dealing with a people counting expert.

I’ll be more careful next time.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

Go here (hat tip to the good folks over at TheRealRevo.com):

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=13163#more-13163

I wasn’t there today, but I lived in DC for a number of yeas and am quite familiar with its layout, the Metro, etc. I assume this time lapse video shows only that portion of the crowd which chose to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue and similar crowds came to the Capitol steps from many other directions. For what it’s worth.

And Michelle Malkin reports that Tabitha Hale (don’t know who she is) reported that the DC Parks and Rec. Dept. estimated the crowd at 1.2 million.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/12/celebrating-the-912-rallies/

The photos posted at Michelle’s main page right now also helps to give one an idea of the numbers of people a good distance away from the Capitol steps.

http://michellemalkin.com/

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

OccamsRazor

Life is a Gift From _God_. To NOT LIVE IT would be an AFFRONT to Him, and at MINIMUM AN AFFRONT TO YOURSELF!

Do NOT bow down to the government!

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

You’re dealing with someone who actually has a brain and isn’t afraid to use it. There was WAY too much space on the mall to be one million, let alone two. Most of the people were crowded around the capital, while most of the mall grass was unused.

You can go on putting all your faith in rumors and and made up numbers, pretending they came from someone (can you site even a single source? that should clue you in) as if they are real if you like, but I’m going to point out the stupidity of that because it hurts us all when some of us insist on being moronic.

JoeG

N/T

6eorge Jetson

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sloeride

Judging by the time-lapse..think the camera got about 600k. Figuring a good chunk of folk approached via different avenues (I know I would have if I was there) we got to estimate between 800k and 1.2 mill. Which is amazing. Esp. considering many of my redneck friends gave up College football to attend.

OccamsRazor

chuckle

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

How do you know what 2 million people looks like? What event have you been to that had 2 million people gathered together?

JadedByPolitics

Pennsylvania ave from the WH to the Capitol was shut down with protesters! that is three lanes of people PACKED LIKE SARDINES for 1.6 miles that is as well as the 10′s of thousands at the Capitol along with the thousands around the reflecting pool……Parks & Recreations says 1.2 I am saying 1.5. There was grass at the Mall because we did not have a permit for the mall because WE WERE DISRESPECTED and they didn’t believe WE WOULD SHOW UP.

So you might have been there but you were not looking at what was going on.

farstar99

Where I live, our Tea Party shut the town down, but the local paper, a liberal rag run by an Obamabot, took their count before anyone had gathered. They reported “over 500″ but by 1 PM, there were well over 1500. The four organizer split the area up and went around with old-fashioned clickers, which are pretty accurate.

DONTREADONME

9-12

bs

…a “moron”, the least you can do is learn to spell “cite.”

And I am done with you, another self-appointed RedState expert.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I was on Pen Ave. and it is completely dishonest to say it was packed like sardines. That’s ridiculous hyperbole. There was tons of open space, often times with no more than 10 people strentching from one side to the other in each row. Here’s a picture I took on Pennsylvania Avenue: http://www.flickr.com/photos/conservcompend/3913250169/

And here’s the entire crowd: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6Y5ctiQjR7g/SqvjYzX0HiI/AAAAAAAAK0g/RM3-GKu1knw/s1600-h/_Device+Memory_home_user_pictures_IMG00035-20090912-1331.jpg

It doesn’t matter whether it was lack of permit or not, you can’t fit 2 mil people without taking up that space. There is clearly a very large number there, much higher than the “tens of thousands” reported by media but it’s not 2 million. Deal with it.

$peciallist

you wanna dance?

DONTREADONME

then I would say I calculate that in that photo is about >300,000 people. I need to see the darn sidestreets.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

“…truly seems to be a gross inflation of what is there.”

Yea, that’s exactly my point. But people with no clue insist on going with something that was made up with zero (accurate) attribution. But hey, some UK rag that obviously wasn’t there found it and repeated it, so it must be true, right?

Achance

Demonstrations don’t accomplish a thing unless they result in political action. A demonstration must either force your opponent to take or forebear action or encourage your supporters to action. We don’t have enough supporters in Congress, the federal governmetn, or even many of the states to actually take any action, so we have to find ways to force our adversaries to take or forebear actions. That takes a bit more than taking a trip to DC or the state capital.

Anybody got any ideas? Bueler? Bueler?

$peciallist

in fact, I counted 1.435 million on TV….and I’m sure there was more….deal with it

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

How enlightened of you. Conservatives with little more interest in “reality” than the “reality based community” themselves. Rather pathetic.

DONTREADONME

since you put it that way, there is nothing we can do other than plan for reversing all of the garbage that is enacted when we can do something. Oh, and hope that this boosts some spirits. No doubt, 2010 seems a long way off doesn’t it?

$peciallist

you better be start arriving on time

ocleverone

Achance

Even Erick footnoted and questioned the 2MM crowd. No doubt you’re right, there weren’t 2MM there and maybe not even 1MM, but it was one Helluva big crowd, much bigger than lots of events that have been proclaimed to be “billions and billions” of people demonstrating.

Having been around a lot of gatherings and having had a professional interest in how many had gathered, I well know how difficult is is to estimate a crowd; all anybody can see is that within their own eyesight, and if that’s crowded, they’re in one Helluva crowd even if there’s nobody fifty feet away.

The salient point is that practically nobody who was there had ever done anything like that before and if they’d ever been in a big crowd at all it was at a concert or a sporting event, somthing much more organized and compact.

So, give it up. The people who were there are just as entitled to say it was a million or two as the Lefties and the MSM are to say it was a dozen or two – and you know that’s what the Left will do.

ocleverone

Join your local committee and volunteer.

wolfster38

ocleverone

Jeez, I am tired!

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

So you know it was even close to two million, but want people to lie about it? What kind of logic is that?

I am NOT saying it wasn’t a big crowd. The event was awesome and I think the left is in SERIOUS trouble. I just want people to stop repeating things without thinking. And no, they don’t get a free pass at making stuff up just because the left does it to. That’s disgusting logic and I want no part of a movement which widely condones it. Thankfully, I don’t believe it does, even if you do.

$peciallist

this counting heads thing is ridiculous…get a life..Brian

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Maybe I don’t believe things just because I WANT them to be true. Damn logic and all that.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I need to get a life? For offering a simple correction to a vastly over inflated number? Erickson gets it. Thankfully someone has some sanity around here.

Achance

for all I care. The game has changed, the rules have changed; you can be on the train or on the tracks. Up to you.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

The ends justify the means?

Absolutely disgusting. Shame on you.

Achance

have just helped elect an avowed communist as POTUS. I couldn’t care less what you think of my means or my ends. You can be disgusted if you like. I’m simply contemptuous of limp-d&#ks like you and all the other “principled” conservatives. You’re the “house ni&&ers” for the Democrats.

$peciallist

Death Panels?….(shudder)

The_Gadfly

There were multiple organization passing out information about what to do AFTER the tea party ended. I struck up a conversation with a number of people and gave them my variant of Cold Warrior’s Precinct Captain talk. They looked thoughtful about it. They especially perked up when I mentioned that it is typical for 2/3 of the precinct captain’s positions to be open, which is a great window of opportunity for them to influence the decisions.

For what it is worth, from the stage at the event they announced we had 1.5 million people there, and that it was based on DC police estimates. I couldn’t quite gauge it, because when I was in DC for the Promise Keepers event several years back, it was specifically on the mall, not in front of the capital. For this event they were speaking from the capital steps and the densest concentration of people was in that area. But the gathering clearly stretched to the other end of the mall. While I wouldn’t use “packed like sardines” as a descriptor, it was reasonably tightly packed. One of the reasons for that is that as a result of some of the problems they had at large events, they’ve changed policies about crowd handling. Not sure if it is at regular intervals or only when they notice the crowd packing getting too tight they have a siren equipped vehicle slowly roll through the crowd to loosen up the packing. They did this 3 or 4 times while I was there.

alanh

I wasin DC today, and my estimates are that there were at least hundreds of thousands of people in the streets. As for million, I’m not sure. I was also in DC when Obama was inaugurated (working there), and you couldn’t move beyond Federal Center Metro Station by noon. Of course there were lots of security guards and check points. So, however many people showed up to Obama’s inauguration, it was probably half of that number.

But the numbers are not so important. We should note that Washington DC is the most liberal city in the country. Obama defeated McCain here 10:1 ratio. If DC was any more to the left, it would petition to join North Korea. Also, most consevatives are working type people who ordinarily don’t expres their views by demonstrating. But if the conservatives are displaying such a huge number in DC, the one can imagine the level of anger at this administration throughout the country. In that sense, today’s demonstration was a massive victory for the camp and it will send a powerful message to the Democratic administration.

We need to keep up the momentum. And I’m certain, this Obama fellow will be helping us a lot.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Malkin links to this guide: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm

And here’s the crowd: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6Y5ctiQjR7g/SqvjYzX0HiI/AAAAAAAAK0g/RM3-GKu1knw/s1600-h/_Device+Memory_home_user_pictures_IMG00035-20090912-1331.jpg

Looks like maybe 300k-400k. More than enough to be proud of without continuing to insist on repeated discredited rumors.

mbecker908

of reason.

You are a troll, busily blowing a three year old account.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Let’s not forget the hundreds of protests being held simultaneously around the country. DC wasn’t the only protest. They’ll try to dismiss it as not a threat, but if they actually believe that it will only make it that much easier to defeat them.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

If that disgusting diatribe above is considered a “voice of reason” around here, then you can have it.

DONTREADONME

this did not. To accomplish half of a million in DC for this without the help of the election and the MSM telling everyone, this was quite the event to behold. End of Story, fantastic job to everyone who attended, Imagine what would happen if this was planned for three months and advertised continuously by the MSM.

$peciallist

I love these!!

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Me and the McCains? Since when has McCain had principle? I didn’t want that fickle fool on the ticket. Making stuff up only gives the left ammo. The facts are more than enough to defeat liberals. Both you and your post are disgusting. You’re an embarrassment to conservatism.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Mindless zealots like these are why I never “joined” in any meaningful sense to begin with.

Achance

I don’t know what you did with your three years here, but I can’t find any sign of intelligence, so now I tire of you.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

They opened the door. And the fact is, most Americans know the man was a callous, cold-blooded, unrepentant killer.

$peciallist

lol

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

You spend this much time arguing the number of people there, and on your own website you state:

I don?t know how many people were there. I?ve seen everything from 70,000-200,000 to an estimated 2 million. Whatever the final turnout numbers ? made more impressive when you consider the thousands more rallying simultaneously all across the nation ? the message is clear: we?re not going to lie down and take it without a fight.

You include the 2 million number there, and come here to argue why it is wrong to inflate the number?

Achance

Hell, I don’t even like Sarah Palin, so I fail that litmus test. Now go some place where you can safely type with only the hand that isn’t busy.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I had seen it, so I included it in as a number that I had seen. I was highlighting the fact that the numbers were all over the place. Based on the evidence it’s pretty easy to rule it out, now.

Is that complicated, somehow?

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I stand corrected.

Uma Richie

here is a link for an overhead shot of the Mall on Apotheosis Day (1/20/09). The location of the Washington Monument’s shadow indicates that it was taken at approximately noon.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/44.president/inauguration/mall.satellite/

Here is an article estimating 1 million people for that place and time based on overhead imagery.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/21/nation/na-inaug-crowds21

If you were there today and had a good look down on the Mall from Captiol Hill, perhaps this can help you make a good estimate.

$peciallist

otherwise keep your promise and QUIT

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I will apologize because I shouldn’t have responded on his level. I should have ignored his attacks and let him live in fantasy land.

mbecker908

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

What And? You come here to make a fuss over information being displayed here THAT IS SIMILAR to your website, and when called on it, your response is “and?”. The only difference in Erick citing 2 million in his article and you doing so in yours is that Erick admitted that it was probably inflated.

Is that complicated, somehow?

Achance

I was nice all day; sick of it!

I had a root canal yesterday and it hurt like Hell. I’m on just the right combination of opiates and alcohol to engage in reasoned political discourse.

$peciallist

jerk

Bobcat51

a hard nosed idealogue who is blinded by his early brainwashing and by his 20 years in Wright’s church, The guy has had it all his own way all of his life. Obama will go down with his cadre of WH communist Tsars. Although Obama is a master at reading a teleprompter and a schemer to boot, he is in the wrong country for his political beliefs. The guy is desperate to use the Perfect Storm to dump on us with the aid of Pelosi.

It’s the Bluedog Dems who had better take note and any limp wristed RINO’s who might feel inclined to prop up the ONE for the sake of his Presidency.

There is a change a coming and today proved that we are not going to be bullied by the Marxist in the WH any more, Today a line was drawn in the sand, ignore it at your peril, Conservatism and traditional American ideals will always win out in the long run.

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

let me state beforehand that I absolutely agree with you.

mbecker908

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Nothing in my article suggested I ever thought 2 million was accurate. The article was also written several hours before I came on here. More information was available, and not being a hack like some, I update my views as I acquire more information. Nevertheless, I merely offered a range of estimates that other people had made. In fact, if you move your eyes even the slightest bit, I preceded that sentence with a very clear indication that I was endorsing none of the figured, mainly because I didn’t think it really mattered in the grand scheme of the importance of the event. But that doesn’t mean I think it’s ok to spread false information.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Your logic overwhelms me.

ocleverone

Here:

http://pajamasmedia.com/vodkapundit/

The number of 1 million could be plausible using his math.

Xasteius

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

This is a thread from Erick’s original post which states:

*I?ve been talking all night to people who are there and involved. The 2 million number was generated by the media, but truly seems to be a gross inflation of what is there. I?m told that at best it was 500,000, but most realistically in the 200,000 person range. Still pretty damn impressive

What is your problem? I mean really? You have been picking fights here for a while, what are you trying to accomplish? Nobody here is adamant in defending the 2 million number. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know how many people were there. I was at a tea party in my town that had about 200 people there. My towns population is about 13,000, so 200 isn’t bad. If I saw someone here post that there were 1000 people at the Mercer County Ohio Tea Party, I surely wouldn’t try to argue and fight with a bunch of regulars because the number wasn’t right. What are you trying to prove?

$peciallist

and you sir, are NOT the Calvary……why don’t you go straddle the fence

Uma Richie

for federal employees being politically active? Can they serve within the party apparatus?

Also, can a habitual absentee voter who is overseas or in a different state serve as a precinct captain in the GOP?

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

You still haven’t answered my question from above….

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Maybe it was the fact that there was no such footnote when I first replied? That there was no question mark in the title? Did it even occur to you that he might have changed it after I posted my very simple attempt to prevent people from accidently further spreading falsehoods?

Why do people continue to defend such numbers, and attack me for attempting to correct them, even after he fixed it is what’s really baffling.

$peciallist

Atrocious Speling

Achance

Calvary is the hill on which Jesus was crucified. Becker did it too earlier and I wimped out and didn’t say anything, but we have to be better than this; BrianHarst might want to correct us.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

You caught me, I’m a fence straddler! Your ignorance amuses me greatly.

whatchamean

ABC is reporting 60-70 thousand

whas up wi that?

ocleverone

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Did you even read my first post? It was nothing but matter of fact.

Did you read the first reply? Pure snark.

Yea, clearly it was MY tone that was the problem.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/12/2000000-march-on-washington/#comment-32103

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/12/2000000-march-on-washington/#comment-32108

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/12/2000000-march-on-washington/#comment-32121

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/12/2000000-march-on-washington/#comment-32130

And when the facts went against them, they started assaulting me because, apparently, wanting conservative arguments to be factually correct make me some kind of waffling moderate!

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

Your first reply was to call bs “ignorant”. Those of us that visit this site regularly don’t appreciate someone coming in here and attacking a well respected regular front page contributer.

$peciallist

but I will press on and defend BS till the very end…just like the Calvary…..(hic)

ocleverone

I did read your first post, your second post and on. It came off a bit snarky and “look guys you don’t know what you’re talking about – I was there”.

I have been polite but your posts did come off you thought we were total imbeciles and you were the only one who attended or knew the real numbers.

I was there and I think the number was higher. Am I going to argue with you? No. Am I going to take your word on it. No. Am I going to be rude about it? No.

$peciallist

keep it up

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

When someone decides that someone else’s opinion is worth “squat” simply because they don’t like it, but don’t offer any facts whatsoever, that’s ignorant. I’m sorry someone you respected behaved that way, but the fact that you respect him shouldn’t prohibit you from seeing that his reply to me was pure condescension and snark.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

There was snark in my later posts. I responded to snark with snark. It’s a bad habit I have at times.

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

In one of those, Jaded claims 1.5 million and she was there. She has been here for quite a long time, and although she probably isn’t a professional crowd estimator, I would take her word more than someone coming in here starting fights. The only other post mentioning numbers was $peciallist and if you couldn’t tell that that was snark by his mentioning that he counted heads on television then you probably should start reading a little closer. As far as people attacking you, what do you expect. In your second comment here you called bs “ignorant”. He is a front page contributer and is VERY WELL respected within our community. You should apologize and GET OVER YOURSELF.

$peciallist

why don’t you join us?

Are we not smart enough for you?….boy, you are really outing yourself

We don’t care how many where there….we won…get it?

it seems you’re the dense one

DONTREADONME

hard to tell if you are going to turn up a troll. Given your name, I am 50% confident that you are a troll, please post a reply and let me know what you think the crowd size was, so I can get a little satisfaction in watching you blip in to the trolldom. Thanks.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

You shouldn’t take anyone at their word. I have posted numerous resources that make quite clear that 1) There was almost no one on the mall 2) it takes a full mall to reach into the millions 3) the original 2 million figure has been acknowledged by all involved to have been falsely attributed.

Having seen Malkin post the information about the false sourcing of the figure, followed by Erickson’s post (without the footnote or question mark originally) I said to myself: “Hey, I can be helpful and give him the new info so he doesn’t accidently get contradicted down the road.”

But I see clearly now! Being “well respected” and having time served is more important than facts. Got it.

Enjoy the constant ridicule this overzealousness will unnecessarily bring on us.

$peciallist

liar

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Clearly I have much to learn from you.

Achance

Used to, back in the dark ages when I was a Fed, you couldn’t participate in partisan activity – period. Slick Willie changed a bunch of that so Feds can participate in some political activity but I don’t know how much. Probably precinct level is Ok, but above that might be a problem. Check with OPM.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

http://www.osc.gov/ha_fed.htm

And assume that conservatives will be treated differently by “illiberal” bureaucrats than will illiberals.

Hope that helps.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

$peciallist

why don”t you quit being a douchebag?

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http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

By the ABC/BBC estimate. They always give over-estimated crowd estimates if DC protests because most of them are for lib causes. I think they forgot for a minute who was protesting, or they would have gone with the NYT estimate of a few ten’s of thousands., which was also wrong. Kudos to Erick for his update, boo to Brian for beating this dead horse afterwards. It was a fantastic turnout!

Whatever the “official” count turns out to be, bear in mind this is DC, trying to count heads for a right wing event, and adjust accordingly

Uma Richie

Thanks!

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

I can’t say how many people were there. I really don’t know. I have seen many numbers just like you. How do you know that it takes a full mall to reach into the millions? ,a href=”http://pajamasmedia.com/vodkapundit/”> Vodkapundit has an “expert” that says that the 2 million number is plausible. Does that make it true? NO. We WILL NEVER know the exact number of people there. That is one fact that is certain. There will be estimates, and they will vary from source to source. The MSM will cite the lowest numbers that they can find, and we will all look to the highest numbers as a source of hope. Nonetheless, this was an important day, and “We the People”, came out and made our little voices heard. I really doubt that you want to take away from that. You need to understand that coming in here and calling a front pager ignorant, then trying to defend that position probably isn’t the best thing to do if you want to be taken seriously. Is that that hard to comprehend?

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

I messed the link up It is here

Uma Richie

I will be a no go by next summer. Sorry!

Uma Richie

The link CW just gave me cleared things up in a hurry, to the negative unfortunately. Of course, with your diaries infiltrating my subconscious, I will probably fail the polygraph.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Actually the expert says a packed mall would be two million. There was no one on the mall.

But don’t let that stop you.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

There was so much room on the side where I was that people were laying out in the grass. Not exactly shoulder to shoulder even in the parts we did occupy, which included almost none of the mall.

But I suppose I’m the one who is insisting on still arguing this, right?

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

I’m working on it.

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

That the 2 million estimate was *very* plausible. Like I said, I don’t know how many people were there. But an expert says it is “very plausible” that there were 2 million there, and you insist on arguing against it. What exactly is your point?

whatchamean

New to the site, don’t know what you mean by troll.
As for crowd size, 2 mil would be quite a statement. I’ve been watching the news no estimate that high. Guess we’ll find out in the morning.
Is everyone so friendly on this site as you Mr. Donttreadonme?

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Did you even read his reasoning or did you just see “expert” and submit your brain over to him? His conclusion (that it was plausible) was based on an assumption that the mall was packed. He then gave the math that led to his conclusion based on this assumption.

The math and his logic was sound, but the assumption was wrong. A wrong assumption = can’t reach that conclusion based on that logic. Numerous people point this out in the comments. That’s he good at math, which I don’t doubt, doesn’t mean you can reach a conclusion despite the falsification of a key assumption.

Achance

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

We will leave ALL crowd estimates to you since you are truly the “expert”. Thank you for showing me the errors of my way.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

But can’t take it?

And yet I’M the dense one!

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

You can call me whatever you like.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Just because I know how to use logic (which you plainly did not dispute) doesn’t mean I claimed myself as an expert.

Why is it so necessary for you to defend these numbers?

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Did you not just attempt to show they were plausible by an appeal to authority?

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

You must be pointing to this comment where I brought up an expert saying that the 2 million number was plausible. The comment began:

I can?t say how many people were there. I really don?t know. I have seen many numbers just like you.

I have repeatedly said that I don’t know how many people were there. Is English your first language? Have you ever heard of reading comprehension? I am done with you. You have proved yourself an idiot. Bye.

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http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

You still argue with my correction. If you have no opinion, what are you arguing against?

clowngirl

Though I too was blasted and accused of possibly being a troll for my first comment.:) I dunno if you read the whole thread – before you commented there was a guy being very argumentative about the size of the crowd – so that may have influenced your reception.

And DTOM actually seems to be quite nice!

A troll is someone who disagrees with the aims and sentiments expressed at Redstate and is just here to cause problems….

http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

Maybe you didn’t understand the last three sentences of my post.

I am done with you. You have proved yourself an idiot. Bye.

If you didn’t get it this time, ask someone else. I am going to bed.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

You didn’t mean it.

Actually, I decided a while ago that I was going to see how long you would keep making new assertions after I kept proving them all wrong. Turned out it was a long time.

Cheryl

I had a hunch it would get better and more accurate coverage by the Brit press.

whatchamean

So if you disagree with someone on this site or bring a different take you are a troll? An undesirable?That would make for a boring site I would think.

Cheryl

I was just concluding the same thing, thanks Art. You’re a good ruffled feather smoother, lol.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Don’t know when the #s will come out, but here’s a link to start out. I did a quick search of google/bing, but didn’t see any #s for yesterday.

http://www.metro.net/news_info/ridership_avg.htm#systemwideridership

The_Gadfly

You missed the key bit at the end.

Ausonius

It was the 5th Story, behind Ohio State Football (this is Columbus after all, the only spot on the planet where an actual and serious group of non-alcoholic, sober people floated a “Woody Hayes for President” Campaign back in the ’70′s), and behind stories of assorted shootings in druggie areas.

They gave it under 30 seconds, and used the “tens of thousands” phrase again.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Whoops. The above link is for Los Angeles metro. I should know better as I live in the Washington, DC area.

Go to www.wmata.com

1stRichard

?Approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department.? Link

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-party-protesters-march-washington/story?id=8557120

I did a copy paste from that article when it first showed and I believe it was

?Approximately 600,000 to 700,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the National Park Service.? Or at least what I copy pasted, maybe my copy paste is broken, no way to prove anything. 175 Comments is too hot to touch for me.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

This used to happen all the time with RS 2.0. Haven’t seen posts this skinny since those days. Unfortunately, I’ve seen many idiots like Brian since then.

http://www.phxgonline.com phxg

whatchamean

I slept in PDT time. What was the final count?

RedInABleuState

….while the RNC website is still under construction eight months later.

CharleyJames

Clearly, no one who participated in the event had ever been in a march or demonstration before. According to people who were there, the crowd was between 80,000 to 100,000 max.

Think about it.

The one million people who showed up for the civil rights March on Washington in the late Sixties – the speech where Dr. King gave his “I have a dream speech” only filled the area around the Reflecting Pool and the Lincoln Memorial. Two million on Saturday? Stop trying to make yourselves feel good.

mbecker908

it’s bothered to comment on.

Geez I like that sound.

$peciallist

“Stop trying to make yourselves feel good.”

ROTF

bs

Think about it.

http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

Here ya go. I think that shows who the classy oones are…

Achance

for the “Dream” speech. Even then it was just dueling lies about how many showed up at anything. MLK had maybe 1-200K. Most of the anti-war rallies did about the same. The Million man march did maybe ten percent of that.

And unlike you, child of modern government schools, I remember the Dream really first person, though I wasn’t there nor did I hear it on the radio like so many liberals like to brag about having heard it – it wasn’t broadcast.

wwjd

Apparently we’ve all become morons when the most important issue is how many people marched for the news cameras.

We didn’t develop a plan to stop government spending and clearly supporting a Republican certainly won’t help.

The pictures the media chooses to show are of people holding their homemade, misspelled posters calling Obama a socialist, a fascist and a nazi. So clearly we lack focus and any credibility. I saw a picture with an American flag thrown on the grown!

What did we accomplish other than create more government spending because someone has the be paid to clean up the trash left on the mall.

http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

has a diary, too? Good, more ammo for our moderators.

Well, since Neil like GPS coordinates…

JadedByPolitics

Martin Knight

Achance

Another one-handed typist.

Martin Knight

ocleverone

The you part of your lame “we” (and your side) need to start running scared.

Martin Knight

davo119

http://michellemalkin.com/

Sure looks like a s%%t load of people to me.

Maggie_in_Indiana

I was there . I have never seen so many people in one place in my life. I go to lots and I mean lots of nascar races and just the lawn(grass) in front of the capitol steps was so full there were no more allowed in. We were standing in a parking lot by the port a pots just a few feet from the steps to the reflection pond. It took me an hour to get through the crowd between the lawn fence and the statues of Grant on a horse and what looked like a boat(it was covered with people). They annouced the number fromCNN and the crowd roared with laughter.

A police officer said it was the largest protest in his 20 years,and second only to an inagruation. 500,000 , on the lawn area maybe ,but to see the pics and be there it was a site. I need a shower and a good nights sleep in a bed,after sleeping in rest areas and napping after the protest on the pond lawn.

It is important to try and get the number as close as possible,because folks found their own way there and stood elboe to elbow for hours to show there’s strength in numbers.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

You think that you can try being less contentious and rude in the future? Thanks in advance.

Maggie_in_Indiana

Some people like to make the argue for the “other”side.
I will be telling the story over and over the rest of my life. That many people and not a single harsh word or rude remark,at least from the thousnads I was standing next to.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

Next time I won’t bother trying to help people not embarrass themselves by correcting false rumors.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

I’m sorry you didn’t like what I said.

janis

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

I just banned someone to get your attention. Be grateful that I did, and recognize that you are about six steps over a line that I get to enforce. And that you need to post here more than I need to let you.

Moe Lane

PS: You may grumble and sneer at my pretensions on your own time.

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

When you scald bs for his pompous, insulting snark of a reply to my attempt to help Erick, I’ll believe you care about enforcing lines.

Right now I see nothing more than protection of a herd mentality, where being “widely respected” (i.e. posting a lot) gives you a double standard protection.

I challenge you to hold everyone else who attacked me to the same standard you apply to me.

ajl_mo

MM updated her site saying the 2mill number attributed to ABC was incorrect.
BTW… There’s a link to USAToday site that show how to estimate crowd sizes on the Mall.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

that MM believes the 70k figure.

I’m still waiting for the news agencies mindlessly repeating it to site a specific source. Not holding my breath.

Achance

http://www.conservative-compendium.com BrianGarst

leading by example.

penguin2

I mean what are you getting out of this? I was there, others were there, everywhere are pictures showing huge crowds. Really, that’s besides the point. It’s like you want to know how many angels dance on the head of a pin. Does it really matter, as long as there was one angel? Get it?

No, you probably don’t. But it really is a shame, that all of what this site represents and is trying to do is something you are trying to tear down. You won’t succeed. Have a good night’s rest. You’ll need it, to continue on in the vein you are.

$peciallist

here…

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/12/2000000-march-on-washington/#comment-32115

thanks for the entertainment…be seeing you

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

Nobody registers to comment here, and post comments here, unless they need to do so for some reason. Even if the need is “Because I want to.”

Alas for you, I don’t need to let you post here at all.

Moe

PS: By the way? Life Is Not Fair.

Blam.

bs

You (ghost as you now are) didn’t seem to know when to shut your yap.

ajl_mo

Maybe but the first line of the entry is “Scroll for updates?” and the last numbers given are the 60-70k. There’s no qualification of that number.

Achance

we’ve had. Gotta give him that. Maybe he had a bet in his dorm about how long he could stay here.

http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

“Thick as a Brick”

blooch

That, the failure to master “Reply to This” and the “audacity” tells me he’ll be gone by the equinox.

DONTREADONME

I did give you a 50% chance of being a troll; therefore, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. We get a lot of trolls that come around and just want to post one or two liners to just stir up trouble. A day like yesterday is usually a high density day of troll activity. They’re others that will come here and pretend to be a conservative or Republican just to post some ridiculous material to make Redstate look bad, they’re called Mobys. If you’re a one and out commenter that is able to squeek ridiculing comments by for a long period of time, I call them slow-ballers. Anyway, maybe I shouldn’t have allowed my language to “coarsen” at the end of my reply to you.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

In case you haven’t seen how the 9/12 rally attendees treated the public square in comparison to those who worship Teleprompter Boy:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/clean-conservatives-filthy-liberals.html

Hat tip, of course, to Gateway Pundit.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

P.S. Are you a precinct committeeman yet?

E Pluribus Unum

I get a similar impression to yours. No hard data, but it sure seems they wuss out alot on the website.

DONTREADONME

I too notice who is the author of the story before I take it at face value. If it is an AP story, I tend to go over it with a fine tooth comb, I do the same with the foxnews.com reporters but with not as much teeth grinding footwork.

Everyone else uses AP stories that is why it is so damn hard to stop the liberal lunacy from penetrating the masses thought processes.

DONTREADONME

when the people were marching down Pennsylvania avenue, how many people were already on the mall and lined up in front of the capital building? I am doing an analysis of the video that I found on Michelle Malkins website that uses the traffic camera of 14th st NW East down Pennsylvania. It is a 1.2 mile hike down that to the front of the capital building and that includes the camera the distance to the camera.

For the record a rough estimate is that 60-70k in a static picture taken when the road was jam packed with people from the traffic camera all the way down to the capital. This does not include the flow after and before the static picture I have used, plus it does not include others coming down the side streets.

So if anyone can tell me what was happening on the sidestreets and the other main arteries down the mall that would be helpful. I am sick from all of the misinformation on the web regarding the count and I want to put it to rest with a good analysis of the data. Anyway, I still believe that the crowd was in excess 300,000. Can not say more until I get some more stories of the flow of people to the capital. Was Constitutional avenue used? Did people start at the Washington monument and move downward to the Capital? etc. Please help, thanks. I will not be able to sleep until I figure this out.

penguin2

Metro station it was packed ahead all the way up to the Capitol. Slow, slow moving and there were loads of people pouring from the side streets, especially as we neared the capital. In fact we were startled by the crowd we actually joined up with. We were on the Penn. Ave. route and tons of people were already ahead and all around us. I remember thinking, where did all these people come from?

DONTREADONME

that is exactly what I thought happened, I listened to O’Reilly’s call last night on FNC and he said 70-90k and I think he used a very low number. As I said the estimate of the static photo of PA Ave was was easily estimated at 60-70k given the distance and width of the road+sidewalks and humans taking up 1 square meter of area. Again that is just PA avenue with noone moving and only from 14th street NW.

Everyone will ask how do I know this about crowds, I do non-lethal weapons and force protection so crowd control is one of those things you kind of need to know.

BTW, this is exactly why I know that the 60-70k is way too low. If I was a betting man, with full overhead photographs, the number will easily be over 300k. Again thanks, pen.

bumpyride

Erick, what do you mean “The 2 million number was generated by the media”? The media as expected were under-reporting, saying “tens of thousands”. I only saw the 2 million number via Michelle Malkin and various tweets and blogs.

penguin2

Link is this:

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/capitol-view-lo-res.jpg

penguin2

Sorry, I got so excited I posted the high resolution image link. This one shows the origin and credit a little better.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=6500

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