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Democrats Lack the Votes to Pass Health Care Legislation in Latest Whip Count

The House Republicans have been passing around the information below. We got a copy of it and wanted to post it for you.

In a nutshell, the Democrats lack enough moderates to pass H.R. 3200 with the government option and if they ditch the government option, the Democrats would lack enough liberals to pass it. Sucks to be them.

Here is what the GOP is circulating:

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NOTE: At least 44 more moderate Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record in opposition to the current health care bill in the House. Likewise, at least 57 liberal Members of the Democrat Caucus have gone on the record saying they will vote against a health care bill without a strong public option. In other words, unless multiple Democrats flip on their stated position on health care, Speaker Pelosi lacks the votes to pass a bill through the House on the strength of Democrat votes alone. How will the President address this intra-party squabbling during his speech tonight?

WHIP COUNT

44 Democrats Opposed

1. Rep. Altmire
2. Rep. Adler
3. Rep. Barrow
4. Rep. Boren
5. Rep. Boucher
6. Rep. Boyd
7. Rep. Bright
8. Rep. Carney
9. Rep. Childers
11. Rep. Cleaver
12. Rep. Cooper
13. Rep. Costello
14. Rep. Cuellar
15. Rep. Dahlkamper
16. Rep. Davis
17. Rep. Driehaus
18. Rep. Ellsworth
19. Rep. Gordon
20. Rep. Griffith
21. Rep. Halvorson
22. Rep. Hill
23. Rep. Holden
24. Rep. Kanjorski
25. Rep. Kaptur
26. Rep. F Kratovil
27. Rep. Marshall
28. Rep. Massa
29. Rep. Melancon
30. Rep. McIntyre
31. Rep. Minnick
32. Rep. Murtha
33. Rep. Oberstar
34. Rep. Ortiz
35. Rep. Perriello
36. Rep. Peterson
37. Rep. Polis
38. Rep. Pomeroy
39. Rep. Ross
40. Rep. Shuler
41. Rep. Stupak
42. Rep. Tanner
43. Rep. Taylor
44. Rep. Titus

57 Liberal Democrats to vote no on a bill without a strong public option

On July 31, 2009, the Congressional Progressive Caucus sent a letter to Speaker Pelosi expressing their opposition to a weakening of the public option. The letter on behalf of 57 Progressive Democrats concludes, “In short, this agreement will result in the public, both as insurance purchasers and as taxpayers, paying ever higher rates to insurance companies. We simply cannot vote for such a proposal.” The text can be read here (PDF).

1) Rep. Woolsey
2) Rep. Grijalva
3) Rep. Kilpatrick
4) Rep. Nadler
5) Rep. Hare
6) Rep. Roybal-Allard
7) Rep. Ellison
8. Rep. Blumenauer
9) Rep. Watts
10) Rep. Edwards
11) Rep. Olver
12) Rep. Kucinich
13) Rep. Richardson
14) Rep. Waters
15) Rep. Conyers
16) Rep. Chu
17) Rep. Hinchey
18) Rep. Johnson
19) Rep. Watson
20) Rep. Spier
21) Rep. Pascrell
22) Rep. Doggett
23) Rep. Kaptur
24) Rep. Hirono
25) Rep. Filner
26) Rep. Sanchez
27) Rep. Fudge
28) Rep. Lee
29) Rep. Carson
30) Rep. Jackson Lee
31) Rep. Honda
32) Rep. McDermott
33) Rep. Clay
34) Rep. McGovern
35) Rep. Clarke
36) Rep. Massa
37) Rep. Pingree
38) Rep. Jackson, Jr.
39) Rep. Cummings
40) Rep. Thompson
41) Rep. Moore
42) Rep. Payne
43) Rep. Stark
44) Rep. Towns
45) Rep. Brown
46) Rep. Hastings
47) Rep. Valezquez
48) Rep. Gutierrez
49) Rep. Napolitano
50) Rep. Sires
51) Rep. Tierney
52) Rep. Capuano
53) Rep. Fattah
54) Rep. Serrano
55) Rep. Farr
56) Rep. Delahunt
57) Rep. Johnson

BACKGROUND:

Rep. John Adler (D-NJ): “Isn’t good for America.” But dissatisfaction extends beyond Blue Dogs. Rep. Rick Boucher (Va.), a conservative Democrat but not a Blue Dog, says he doesn’t like the public option. Rep. John Adler (D-N.J.) told an audience, “The bill that’s coming through the House, with or without the public option, isn’t good for America.” (Mike Soraghan and A.B. Stoddard, “Dem Split On The Public Option Casts Doubt On Reform Of Healthcare,” The Hill, 8/31/09)

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The Education And Labor Committee. “Two key House committees moved along Democratic healthcare legislation on Friday, only days after the bill was introduced. … The Education and Labor Committee approved their portion of the bill by a 26-22 vote. Democratic Reps. Jared Polis (Colo.), Dina Titus (Nev.) and Jason Altimire (Pa.) voted against the bill.” (Michael O’Brien, “House Committees Advance Healthcare Overhaul,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. John Barrow (D-GA): “I still voted against the bill.” Barrow said he does not believe that the changes they made are permanent or adequate.“I still voted against the bill, even after we had gotten these amendments passed, not because I didn’t think they made it better, but because I didn’t think they made the bill good enough,” he said. (Sandi Van Orden, “Barrow Offers Why He Voted Against Health Care Bill,” The Effingham Herald, 9/3/09)

Rep. Dan Boren (D-OK): “The House Bill That’s Out There, I Can’t Support.” “Second District Congressman Dan Boren said Monday that health care reform rests largely on President Barack Obama’s willingness to accept bipartisan compromise on the issue. ‘If health care reform is going to happen it will have to happen in a bipartisan way,’ Boren told the Tulsa Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce. ‘It’s really up to the president.’ Boren, a Democrat, said he is trying to keep an open mind but said, ‘The House bill that’s out there, I can’t support.’” (Tom Gilbert, “Boren: Bipartisanship Key To Health Care,” Tulsa World, 7/20/09)

Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA): I have a problem with this government option plan,” Boucher said. “I’m troubled that the government option plan could become very popular and if it became sufficiently popular it could begin to crowd out the other” private insurance companies. Furthermore, he said, the public option could “financially destabilize” rural hospitals. (Sarah Bruyn Jones, “Boucher Unconvinced On ‘Government Option’ For Health Care,” The Roanoke Times, 8/19/09)

Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.), who belongs to the moderate Blue Dogs group, said at a town hall meeting yesterday that “the public option is off the table.” When asked whether it would be a good idea to “scrap everything” and start the process of reforming health care over, Boyd reportedly said, “I think that is an excellent idea … we may end up there.”

Rep. Bobby Bright (D-AL): U.S. Congressman Bobby Bright announced recently he opposes the current draft of United States House of Representatives health care legislation. “I am hopeful that when Congress returns in September, the process will be more bipartisan and we will be able to produce something that works for the American people,” Bright said. “I continue to believe that the current direction of health care reform relies too heavily on taxes on individuals and small businesses, and the overall cost of health care legislation remains too high. Moreover, though changes have been made to how the public option will work, the overall bill does not represent my belief in a free-market approach to health care reform.”
(“Bright Questions Health Care Reform,” The Southeast Sun, 8/26/09)

Rep. Chris Carney (D-PA): “I Would Not Vote In Favor Of It At This Point.” “Carney said he could not support a plan crafted by House Democrats because of the way the plan would impact small- to medium-sized businesses, rural areas and small hospitals. ‘There is a 1,000-page template out of the House, but it’s very fluid and being negotiated as we speak,’ Carney said. ‘There is not unanimous agreement on the initial version. Guys like me – the blue dog Democrats – are firm on our disagreement with certain aspects of the bill.’ ‘As it is now, and realizing it is extremely fluid and changes daily, I would not vote in favor of it at this point,’ he said.” (David Thompson, “Carney: More Time Needed For Proper Health Care Reform,” Sun Gazette, 7/24/09)

Rep. Travis Childers (D-MS): Would Not Vote for a House Health Care Reform Bill. During a town hall teleconference Tuesday night, Rep. Travis Childers, D-Miss., said “he would not vote for a House health care reform bill in its current form,” a Memphis TV station reports. http://www.wreg.com/sns-ap-ms–childers-townhall,0,6705422.story

Rep. Travis Childers (D-MS): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO): “I’m willing to Push the Reset Button.” “Cleaver willing to start over on health care bill. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver told reporters this morning he’s willing to start from scratch on a health care reform bill, as many Republicans have suggested. “I’m willing to push the reset button,” Cleaver said, although he appeared skeptical about the prospects for any new legislation from a restart of the process. The Missouri Democrat also said health care reform is “too important” to be passed with only Democratic votes, as White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has recently suggested. Cleaver also said if health reform isn’t passed by year’s end, it won’t happen. That, he agreed, effectively gives the GOP veto power over any legislation for the next 90 days or so, once Congress returns after Labor Day. (Dave Helling, “Cleaver Willing To Start Over On Health Care Bill,” The Kansas City Star, 8/19/09)

Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN): “Is Not Good Enough to Earn the Support of Nashville-Area Voters.” I want to vote for health-care reform. Every American deserves comprehensive health care. It is a moral imperative. But the House bill, at least as I have closely reviewed the June 19th and later drafts, is not good enough to earn the support of Nashville-area voters. http://www.cooper.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=278&Itemid=73

Rep. Jerry Costello (D-IL): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX): “Am I In Favor Of This Bill As It Is Written? I Am Not.” “‘We have the more conservative folks and the more liberal folks pushing me both ways,’ Cuellar noted. ‘Do I believe in health care reform? Yes I do. But I also believe in insurance reform. Am I in favor of this bill as it is written? I am not.’” (Ron Maloney, “Somewhat Rowdy Crowd For Cuellar Visit,” The Gazette-Enterprise, 7/26/09)

Rep. Kathleen Dahlkamper (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Lincoln Davis (D-TN): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-IN): “I Was Not Prepared, Nor Would I Have Voted For, the Proposed Bill on August 6th.” “I’m really glad we were able to postpone the legislation,” Ellsworth said. “I was not prepared, nor would I have voted for, the proposed bill on August 6th” when the summer recess began, he said.
http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_story_247222034.html

Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN): “I Cannot Support The Bill.” “On Thursday, Gordon and the other six Blue Dogs on the committee demonstrated their concerns about the bill by reading nearly identical opening statements. ‘I am thoroughly reviewing the bill. However, as currently written, I cannot support the bill,’ Gordon said after the hearing.” (Bill Theobald, “Health Bill Faces Fight From Tennessee Blue Dogs,” Tennessean, 7/19/09)

Rep. Parker Griffith (D-Al): Rep. Parker Griffith, D-Al., who opposes the public health care option, says he needs more details before he can sign off on the co-op notion being floated by the Senate. “It depends on how it’s worded and how it’s structured,” Griffith said Monday, according to the Huntsville Times. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/back-in-home-districts-muchwooed-blue-dogs-not-barking-for-health-care-reform-legislation.html

Rep. Debbie Halvorson (D-IL) “My message right now is we don’t have a bill”: While health care proposals are changing by the minute, Halvorson said her primary concern is cost. If the final draft increases the federal deficit, she’ll vote against it, even though President Barack Obama’s administration repeatedly has said he is “not open to deficit spending. Health reform will be paid for and it will be deficit neutral over 10 years,” Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius wrote in submitted testimony to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. “My message right now is we don’t have a bill,” Halvorson said. “In fact, the moderate Democrats are the ones holding off so we wouldn’t have to vote on this before we left. Health care is a big issue, but just because I ran on health care doesn’t mean I’m going to vote for a bill that doesn’t work and costs too much money. True reform brings costs down. True reform is not what this bill is yet.” (Kristen McQueary, “Dodge In, Halvorson On The Defensive,” The Southtown Star, 8/20/09)

Rep. Baron Hill (D-IN): “Said This Morning He Would Not Vote For The Health Care Reform Bill In Its Present Form.” “Congressman Baron Hill said this morning he would not vote for the health care reform bill in its present form, primarily because he believes it lacks effective health care cost controls. … ‘There are seven of us blue dogs on the committee opposed to the bill in its present form,’ Hill said. ‘We met the last two days drafting amendments to the bill that address the issue of accountability and cost controls.’ Hill said he wants the bill to control costs by shifting the system away from the fee-for-service model, which he says financially rewards doctors and hospitals in direct proportion to the number of procedures they perform. ‘We need to create a medical system that makes sure the patient comes first instead of a system that rewards doctors for overutilizing services,’ he said. ‘That means getting rid of fee-for-service.’” (Dann Denny, “Baron Hill Wants Health Care Bill Modifications,” Herald-Times, 7/16/09)

Rep. Tim Holden (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Frank Kratovil Jr. (D-MD): Opposes current legislation in the House, but remains open to public option. He opposes the measure currently under consideration in the House and will vote against it unless there are significant changes. Among his objections: the price, which would add $239 billion to the deficit over 10 years, according to a preliminary estimate by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. He’s also concerned, he says, that the measure is too generous to the poor, at the expense of the middle class, and potentially harmful to rural areas of Maryland, like the Eastern Shore, which already have trouble attracting and keeping doctors. At the same time, Kratovil speaks with evident passion about the need for change. He said in an interview that he “absolutely” would support a more “reasonable” plan, though he acknowledges that he doesn’t know how to close the cost gap. Unlike many of his fellow Blue Dogs, he’s not against including a public insurance option. He said he would favor one that creates an “equal playing field” and legitimate competition with private insurance companies. “I don’t follow the fear that having a public option means the beginning of a single-payer system,” he said, sitting in a windowless conference room at his Salisbury district office. (Paul West, “A Blue Dog Democrat’s View From The Middle,” The Baltimore Sun, 8/23/09)

Rep. Jim Marshall (D-GA): “As the Bill Stands Right Now, I Would Have to Vote ‘No.’” “As the bill stands right now, I would have to vote ‘no’ until we get a better handle on the costs. I am adamantly opposed to throwing more money at the current system.” http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=116&ArticleID=63041&TM=231.214

Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY): “But I Will Not Vote For A Bill That Gets It Wrong, And If I Had To Vote Today For The Current Piece Of Legislation In Front Of Congress, I Would Not Be Able To Support It.” “U.S. Rep. Eric Massa said if he had to vote today on America’s Affordable Health Care Choices Act, he would probably vote against it. ‘We all know that one in six don’t have health insurance. We all know that we pay more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world. These things need to be addressed, and doing nothing, which is what so many want to do, is simply not an option,’ said Massa, D-Corning. ‘But I will not vote for a bill that gets it wrong, and if I had to vote today for the current piece of legislation in front of Congress, I would not be able to support it,’ he said Tuesday during his weekly teleconference with the media.” (Ray Finger, “Massa Wary Of Health Care Reform Bill,” Star-Gazette, 7/22/09)

Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC): I am not convinced that we should have the public option. I know there’s been a lot of debate about that, but I’m not convinced that we should do that, so as it stands now, I would be a no on the public option. With regard to the coops, I think there’s room for debate there on how that’s done, and I’m not in favor of just dumping federal money into it, I think that’s the essence of his question. http://www.wwaytv3.com/node/17942

Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-NC): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-LA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)
Rep. Walt Minnick (D-ID): Rep. Walt Minnick, D-Id., is described in the Idaho Mountain Express as flatly opposing the Democrats’ health care reform bill. “The government should set the rules of the road and then let private business do the work,” he said. http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005127388

Rep. John Murtha (D-PA): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Salomon Ortiz (D-TX): “We Cannot Support Any Health Care Reform Proposal Unless It Explicitly Excludes Abortion From The Scope Of Any Government-Defined Or Subsidized Health Insurance Plan.” “We believe in a culture that supports and respects the right to life and is dedicated to the protection and preservation of families. Therefore, we cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan. We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.” (Letter To Speaker Pelosi, 6/25/09)

Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA): Perriello said he does not currently support any of the three proposals in congress. He said he won’t support a program that funds abortions, but he said it’s starting to sink in with people that the feds aren’t trying to do away with private insurance. “You still hear concerns about it being a public mandate rather than a public option. People are going to be given a wide range of choice between private insurance and maybe, or maybe not, a public option. I think people are starting to understand that,” Perriello said. (Brian Damewood, “Locals Sound Off Over Health Care,” wset.com, 8/18/09)

Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN): I have not found a bill I can support yet. “I’m not here to sell you anything,” he said. “I have not found a bill yet that I can support” — interrupted by applause — “I am here to listen and to learn. I believe we have problems in our health care system. We are not spending our money wisely, so I believe we have to do something.” (Bob von Sternberg, A Kinder, Gentler Town Hall Meeting. The Minnesota Star Tribune 8/15/09)

Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The Education And Labor Committee. “Two key House committees moved along Democratic healthcare legislation on Friday, only days after the bill was introduced. … The Education and Labor Committee approved their portion of the bill by a 26-22 vote. Democratic Reps. Jared Polis (Colo.), Dina Titus (Nev.) and Jason Altimire (Pa.) voted against the bill.” (Michael O’Brien, “House Committees Advance Healthcare Overhaul,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-ND): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The House Ways And Means Committee. “The House Ways and Means Committee approved legislation early Friday to overhaul the health care system and expand insurance coverage after a marathon session in which Democrats easily turned back Republican efforts to amend the bill. … In the Ways and Means vote, three Democrats — Ron Kind of Wisconsin, Earl Pomeroy of North Dakota and John Tanner of Tennessee — joined Republicans in voting against the bill.” (Robert Pear, “House Committee Approves Health Care Bill,” The New York Times, 7/17/09)

Rep. Mike Ross (D-AL): “I have been skeptical about the public health insurance option from the beginning and used August to get feedback from you, my constituents,” he wrote in a statement his office released publicly. “An overwhelming number of you oppose a government-run health insurance option, and it is your feedback that has led me to oppose the public option as well.” http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/09/blue_dog_ross_comes_out_agains.html

Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC): In the Tarheel State, Rep. Heath Shuler, D-NC, said during a telephone town hall meeting, per the Citizen-Times, “that he opposes the House health care reform legislation because it would increase the deficit, doesn’t reduce the overall cost of health care and doesn’t do enough to promote people living healthier lives… ‘I do not support HR3200 at the present time,’ Shuler said…emphasizing that the current legislation does not do enough to promote wellness, prevention and disease management. Nor is enough being done to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid, he said.” http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090814/NEWS01/908140330/1200

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI): “I Cannot Support This Bill In Its Current Form.” “‘I cannot support this bill in its current form,’ Democrat Bart Stupak said, adding it did not provide real competition for the insurance industry and could hike costs for consumers.” (Kim Dixon, “Obama Looks For Republican Healthcare Backing,” Reuters, 7/16/09)

Rep. Stupak (D-MI): “You’ve Got A Broken System. We Are Perpetuating A Broken System.” “Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) cast himself as one of eight opponents of the bill as written on Energy and Commerce. ‘You’ve got a broken system. We are perpetuating a broken system,’ Stupak said. ‘They’ve got to address our concerns, or the other option is a “no” vote.’ He also said opponents might try to block a bill by defeating the House rule on the floor.” (Jeffrey Young, “House Leaders Cheer Healthcare Progress Amid Infighting,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. Stupak (D-MI): “Why Would We Give You More Money For A System That’s Broken?” “Stupak’s concerns are varied, but they include his desire for a prohibition on federal funding for abortions as part of the public insurance option under consideration, as well as a demand for deeper cost cuts and dealing with regional disparities under Medicare. Fundamentally, the bill does not fix the broken health care system, he said. ‘Why would we give you more money for a system that’s broken?’ he asked.” (Steven T. Dennis, “Stupak Warns Of Democratic Defections On Health Bill,” Roll Call, 7/17/09)

Rep. John Tanner (D-TN): Said Rep. John Tanner, D-Tenn., according to the Commercial Appeal, “most reasonable, sensible people realize that we’ve got some holes in the current delivery system that are resulting in inefficiency, duplication, nonproductive … provider-to-patient expenditures, and what I’ve been telling people is we need to figure that out before we start overturning the entire system…I think we need to take a deep breath and go at this thing incrementally.” http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/aug/19/tanner-listens-to-care-concern/

Rep. Gene Taylor (D-MS): Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., at a town hall meeting in Moss Point Monday night, said, per the Associated Press, “I would hope that everyone in this room knows by now that I am not going to vote for the health care plan.” http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090819/NEWS/908190330/1002/news01/Taylor-rejects-Obama-plan

Rep. Dina Titus (D-NV): Voted Against The Health Care Bill In The Education And Labor Committee. “Two key House committees moved along Democratic healthcare legislation on Friday, only days after the bill was introduced. … The Education and Labor Committee approved their portion of the bill by a 26-22 vote. Democratic Reps. Jared Polis (Colo.), Dina Titus (Nev.) and Jason Altimire (Pa.) voted against the bill.” (Michael O’Brien, “House Committees Advance Healthcare Overhaul,” The Hill, 7/17/09)

Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-MO): Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-St. Louis, is among the unwavering on the public option. In a statement to Political Fix, Clay asserted today that a public insurance plan “is the only way to force insurance companies to control costs, treat their customers fairly and spur competition. (Bill Lambrecht, “Clay: Public Option “Only Way” To Control Costs, Spur Competition,” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 8/18/09)

Rep. John Conyers (D-MI): It is clear that real reform means injecting real competition into the insurance market to improve affordability and drive down health-care costs. “The centerpiece of this reform is a robust Medicare-like public health insurance plan tied to the Medicare provider system. Like many of my colleagues in both the House and Senate, I will oppose any health-care reform bill that lacks such a plan. (Rep. John Conyers, “Conyers: Public Option Is A Necessary Component Of Health-Care Reform,” Press Release 9/9/09)

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN): Sixty members of the Progressive Caucus have “drawn a line in the sand,” saying they will NOT support anything short of reform that includes a public-option health insurance program. The concept of co-ops supplanting the public option plan is not good enough, those signing the letter have said. Ellison, a passionate Obama supporter, admitted following the news conference that he believes it’s necessary for the president to again make it clear that the public option plan is the only acceptable solution. “There are a lot of people who think that Obama and [Secretary of Health Kathleen] Sebelius made a tactical mistake by seeming to back off. … He can’t hand it [the public option] away without a political price to pay. That’s not a bad thing. He might think he can walk away and say, ‘I brought more reform than we’ve had in 60 years.’ But we [in the progressive caucus] are saying, ‘That’s not enough.’ ” (Doug Grow, “Congressional Progressive Caucus ‘Pep Rally’ Is Still Pushing Public-Option Health Care Reform,” Minnpost.Com 8/20/09)

Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY): “I’d have to think long and hard, I’d have to see if it moved health care forward,” New York Rep. Eliot Engel told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “…I think it would be a terrible miscalculation if we didn’t have a public option.” Engel called nonprofit health cooperatives, or “co-ops” — which are being proposed as an alternative — “untested,” and said that he needs proof that they would help to lower costs. (Lauren Kornreich, “House Democrat: ‘Terrible Miscalculation’ To Skip Public Option,” CNN.com, 8/18/09)

Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA): “There is no option when it comes to reforming America’s ailing healthcare system. We must do it. And there is no option for inclusion of a public plan. We must have it. Real reform requires real choice. A public option provides consumers a critical alternative to private plan. (Rep. Chaka Fattah, “Healthcare: Public Option Mirrors Other Government Insurance Plans,” Press Release, 8/21/09)

Rep. Phil Hare (D-IL): “….in recent days there have been some reports that the President may reconsider requiring a strong, robust public option that competes directly with private insurance companies. That would be a mistake. Health care reform without a public option is a like a car without a motor. It may look nice, but it isn’t going anywhere.” (Ed Tibbetts, “Hare To Biden: Don’t Drop Public Option,” The Quad City Times, 8/20/09)

Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL): Jackson held a town hall meeting last night – with CNN cameras present – that he described to King as civil before laying down a marker for his friend, the president. “A hundred and sixty members of Congress have already signed a letter indicating that without a strong public option, from their perspective, including my signature, that this bill is a non-starter,” Jackson said. (Steve Rhodes, “Prescription For Debate,” NBC Chicago.com, 8/20/09)

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): Liberal Democrats are terrified that he will jettison their Holy Grail, while conservatives fear that a vote for a public option – characterized by opponents as leading to government-run health care – could doom them in tough re-election fights. “This is not a sliver of health care reform, this is essential,” said Rep. Barbara Lee, an Oakland Democrat, one of 60-plus House liberals who vow to vote against any plan without a public option. Lee said she hopes Obama will clearly state his support. “This is really a moral imperative,” she said. “This is a huge issue.” (Carolyn Lochhead, “Dems Pin Health Reform Hopes On Obama’s Speech, The San Francisco Chronicle, 9/8/09)

Rep. Jerrod Nadler (D-NY): “We are making clear to the leadership that we insist on a robust public option and our votes won’t be there if there isn’t a public option,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D., N.Y.), a senior member of the House Progressive Caucus. Whether they would actually vote no is unclear. Some working to pass the measure find the threat unpersuasive. The Progressive Caucus has 82 members, enough to defeat a health bill, since virtually all 178 House Republicans are likely to vote no. (Laura Meckler and Naftali Bendavid, “Liberals Fear Losing Public-Plan Option,” The Wall Street Journal, 7/29/09)

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL): Meanwhile, Jan Schakowsky, a leading progressive Democratic lawmaker, said liberals were not prepared to climb down. “I will support nothing short of a robust public health insurance plan upon implementation – no triggers,” she said. “I believe Congress will pass and the president will sign such a bill.” (Edward Luce, “Obama Seeks To Quell Healthcare Revolt,” The Financial Times, 9/3/09)

Rep. Peter Stark (D-CA): “Well, the only co-op I know about is when I used to milk cows and we sold the milk to Golden Guernsey. And I think there’s only one co-op left,” said Stark, who considers the co-op idea a non-starter. “There aren’t many of you listening who remember the co-ops of the ’30s, which was a – just kind of a Roosevelt outgrowth of rural electric co-ops, phone co-ops.” (David Lightman and William Douglas, “Health Care Debate Exposes Regional Rift For Democrats,” McClatchy Newspapers, 9/3/09)

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA): Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) agreed with Conyers’s ominous analysis and warned that House liberals will not settle for the kind of compromise that might be necessary in the Senate. “You’re asking whether or not we will support some other alterative to public option, and I want to be very, very clear,” she told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz. “We’ve got to have a public option. I will not vote for anything that doesn’t have a public option.” (Eric Zimmermann, ”Black Caucus Members: It’s Public Option Or Nothing,” The Hill 9/9/09)

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY): Reform proponents like Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) say he won’t have the votes for one that doesn’t. “Having a plan that doesn’t have a public option is worse than having doing nothing at all,” he said. “Leaving the insurance companies in charge of this is kind of like leaving a pyromaniac in charge of the fire department. (Don Dahler, “No Public Option Is A Mistake,” wcbstv.com, 8/17/09)

Rep. Lynn Woosley (D-CA): Woolsey said she will vote against any measure that lacks a “robust public option” based on the Medicare model and intended to compete with private insurance. Without it, health care remains “business as usual,” Woolsey said by phone from an education conference in Banff, Alberta. “It’s not reform without the public option.” (Mike Coit, “Woolsey, House Liberals Demand ‘Public Option’ Health Plan,” The Press Democrat, 8/18/09)

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  • peg_c

    is WRONG. Rush is right; we are a country split into 2 or 3 nations culturally now. The conservative and the lefty parts might as well be speaking completely different languages, wearing totally different clothes and living completely opposite lives. And I guess a 3rd nation is wandering around in a fog somehow oblivious to the cultural and intellectual wars raging around them.

    Here’s what gets me: A large chunk of elected Democrats insist on no public option, while another large chunk of elected Dems insist ON a public option. And the MSM wants to portray the Republicans in disarray??

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    they wouldn’t need the Democrats to get on board.

    I think it’s all the Republicans’ fault. They should get the blame when nothing passes.

    Which is probably the optimal result for Republicans.

  • Kowalski

    What’s amazing is that there are so few Connecticut legislators expressing their opinions in this list.

    Connecticut is really the center of the insurance industry in this country. The lower house of the CT legislature is 75%+ Democratic.

    The upper house of the CT legislature is 66.7% Democratic.

    The members of the U.S. House from Connecticut are:

    John Larson (D-1)
    Joe Courtney (D-2)
    Rosa L. DeLauro (D-3)
    Jim Himes (D-4)
    Christopher Murphy (D-5)

    They’re all Donks, and they all know that the public option is going to flush the economy of Connecticut down the provebial toilet given enough time. The million dollar residences in Connecticut won’t last long under Obama’s public option and yet, these Reps. aren’t talking very much.

    Once Obama’s Public Option cripples the insurance industry in this country, what will all these Democrats do with themselves? What’s left in Connecticut for industry? Yale University? Ikea? The gun industry?

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Losers.

    On a side note, Chet Edwards (D-TX) is in a swing district near mine, and while he (pre-election) fostered the ‘blue dog’ label, he has in no way shown himself to be anything but samo-samo.

    He caught unholy hell during the August recess, but he’s been adamant that he’s gonna support the Dem plan. He does it knowing that doing so will get him wiped off the map in 2010. They must have something really good on him, like pictures and audio of something really, really bad.

  • crosley

    I have a hard time believing these liberal Democrats who say they won’t vote for any health care reform unless it has a public option. Despite their “promise” to only vote for a universal care, and vote against anything that comes short, I think they’re lying.

    Most of the these liberal Democrats are in lopsided, safe districts, so voters aren’t going to be able to punish them for breaking their promise either way.

    I hope they are being honest, because my preference would be for nothing to pass in regards to health care, but I have a bad feeling they’re going to cobble together a crap sandwich.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    We must continue to pressure House and even more-so Senators (and friends, family, neighbors, etc to call/write to pressure them) that NO COMPROMISE can be made with/on HR3200 – IT MUST BE KILLED AND A FRESH/CLEAN START MADE if any Health-Care Reform is to be made…. CALL/WRITE The Senate HC “Gang Of Sicks” as they are still moving forward to compromise…. There is perhaps only 1 thing in that Bill we will agree with and that is elimination of Pre-Existing condition exclusions…. That means we must not compromise with all the other BS in the Bill and it is easier, and only way reform is acceptable, to scrap the Bill and insist some other Bill be introduced in the House…. NO USUAL DC GAMES ACCEPTED in that they just do something in the Senate and move the that and the HR3200 House Bill to RECONCILIATION…. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!

    Reform must and can ONLY start with:
    Cross-State line portability, Tort reform, PreExisting condition exclusion elimination (not allowed in MI, enact that Nationally), post employment coverage (modifying COBRA and HSA/MSA accounts to NOT ZERO OUT each year so multi-year savings can/will PAY FOR OWN COVERAGE while between jobs), (avoiding the HR3200 consequence/fact) More Govt. regulations and paperwork will DRIVE UP not reduce costs and bring us more Lawyers and Office Administrators to deal with it NOT Doctors, etc….

    You know McCain and others will sell us out to yet another Liberal Incremental-ism step toward the Democrats TAKEOVER and Public Option goals if we do not insist otherwise!!!!

  • Kowalski

    On the one hand I think they don’t want to speak out against the public option because they’re terrified of the backlash. And on the other hand, they’ll just have a few years to gather up their stuff and move if it passes.

  • bk

     

  • Kowalski

    If the public option passes, get ready to buy some really choice, cheap residences in Connecticut in the next 10 years, because you’re going to be able to pick them up for Kentucky Backwoods prices.

  • danasdaddy

    If we can’t pass the bill on our own, we have to find a way to blame those d*** Republicans – I mean, it worked to get the Messiah elected, didn’t it? We blamed the right for things that were our fault and the suckers… errrrrr,… voters bought it, didn’t they?

  • http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

    “How will the President address this intra-party squabbling during his speech tonight ?”

    I thought the big speech was last week.

    Ok, from now on; i’m just expecting Obama will have a speech every day unless the White House says no speech today.

    Boy, It’s a good thing he’s pretty.

  • http://www.colbykamin.com/ Colby Kamin

    …think you should put much stock in any list that states Jared Polis would vote against any version of a health care bill. He’s a liberal democrat from my hometown of Boulder, and in the three town halls I went to, he made it very clear.

    Hopefully the House doesn’t matter–the Senate should be enough.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

  • Mayhem

    I’m surprised that Joe Donnelly (D, IN-2) is not on the list of 44. He one of the top five most conservative Democrats in the House and he is definitely in a swing district. In the past, on controversial issues, he has generally come down on the populist side. He doesn’t take risks very often. So, while he hasn’t committed (at least on this list), I won’t be shocked if he too votes against this.

  • http://www.thediscerningconservative.com discerningconservative

    doing the play by play on Monday Night Football.

  • Aaron Gardner

    The One ™ saves them up then delivers a speech instead of doing it daily.

  • conservativemusician

    And you beat me to it. Couldn’t be happening to a more deserving bunch of tone deaf ingrates.

  • archer52

    http://cohen.house.gov/

    I just finished watching Cohen on Cavuto blather the entire laundry list of reasons why we need healthcare and the public option. Cavuto tried to work with him, but the guy was totally off the rails with his reasoning.

    He actually said that it was proof the public option was no threat to private industries because his colleagues, when asked, said they weren’t signing up for it and keeping their private insurance.

    ????

    Talk about twisting a bad fact into a sales pitch! Wow. So, a system so bad that the Congress refuses to take part in it, because of its poor quality, assures that the private sector will not be threatened for the reason that like Congress, nobody will want to sign up for it. Except the millions who need it, even though it is so poor in quality that nobod….

    My head hurts. For the love of God, somebody vote that idiot out, and while you are at it, take the sharp knives out of the drawers.

    Update: I see why he takes the position he does, he represents 3/4 of Memphis.

  • jen2001

    via Twitter and Michelle Malkin.

  • jen2001

    (202) 224-3744

  • kyoufuu

    Universal health care has been here raison d’etre since joining congress. She should be foaming at the mouth for the chance to see this bill pass.

    Of course, you nailed the part about it being the insurance capital, Kowalski. How many constituents will they piss off if they publicly back this plan? Of course, CT is a home for the lunatic left, so they can’t shy away from the public option either.

  • Achance

    You know it’s only a matter of time; one of the biggest TV audiences and GE owns NBC and I can’t figure out if they own Obama or he owns them, but it is one or the other. That’d be perfect; Faith Hill the fake Country singer and Comrade Obama the fake President.

  • conservativemusician

    Because if they can cobble together enough Dem votes to get it to conference, it makes it more likely that they will be able to roll enough of the Dem senators their way.

    The House is far more liberal than the Senate, so the fact that they are having this much trouble getting this a to floor vote is very significant. The only real hope for this passing is if they can sucker some “moderate” GOP house members into voting their way. However, with the rage they all have witnessed against health care at the town halls, I hope the GOP will take the hint and stay on the sidelines, vote no to everything, and let the Dems self-destruct. If it dies in the House, then it really is dead in my view.

  • vettepilot

    Pharma has a presence there as well. Boehringer Ingelheim’s US operation is HQ’d in Danbury.and Bayer has an office in West Haven. Despite the back-room deals with O, I think pharma stands to take a huge beating.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    otherwise they wouldn’t be on the “Gang Of Sicks” group looking to sell us out.

    IMNSHO, we are all partially at fault for continuing to speak in terms of being against this, that, or some other thing, than in the complete terms of NO COMPROMISE, START OVER solidarity!!!! Picking at HR3200 one item at a time is like the 911 Troofers whack-a-mole approach…. We must attack ALL the bad things in the Bill each and every time and not give the “appearance” that some of the items are “acceptable” when they are not….

    The ultimate HR3200 Q: Will Fetus’ about to be Aborted qualify for End Of Life counseling, or is that reserved only for Seniors about to be effectively Euthanized by/from Rationing?!?!

    That question sums up all the issues/concerns and why NO COMPROMISE can be made….. START OVER…. and start with Cross-State line portability, Tort reform, PreExisting condition exclusion elimination (not allowed in MI, enact that Nationally), post employment coverage (modifying COBRA and HSA/MSA accounts to NOT ZERO OUT each year so multi-year savings can/will PAY FOR OWN COVERAGE while between jobs), (avoiding the HR3200 consequence/fact) More Govt. regulations and paperwork will DRIVE UP not reduce costs and bring us more Lawyers and Office Administrators to deal with it NOT Doctors, etc…. Those things will NOT require a 1,000+ Page Bill!

  • Xasteius

    via Michelle Malkin (Twitter)

  • jen2001

    Grassley is still working with Baucus. I guess we will know at 8:25pm tonite when they release the committee report.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    (The Senate HC “Gang Of Sicks” (formerly 7, but Hatch left and that didn’t have the fun play on words ;-) lol)) or we otherwise know it is just rhetoric and preparing (in McLame [McCain HC Townhall details, another sell-out pre-declared!] fashion) the Sellout!!! NO MORE LIBERAL INCREMENTAL-ISM!!!!!

  • jimmuy8

    with endless speeches?

    The Speechinator?

    He’ll never stop giving speeches no matter how many voters get bored to death–an unstoppable speechifying machine.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    We must keep calling and writing NON-STOP until the whole process STOPS and any compromise with HR3200 ceases – PERIOD!!! Any let down and they will declare “a mood shift” in the country toward support — usual SPIN. Next time you’re at someones house, pick up their phone, dial it for them, and put them on to express their concern ;-) lol – just a friendly nudge!!

  • sickofitall

    so they might was well bring the Obamination on to the show. I can’t believe that they let that jerk soil a national broadcast. NBC has no shame.

  • jen2001

    http://senatus.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/grassley-wants-cheaper-health-bill-mum-on-support/

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    the kowalski.

    Oddly enough.

  • fightnright

    …and didn’t you know we have no viable leadership either???

    Yet when the last Presidential primaries began to shape up, the GOP had quite a few well-known, accomplished candidates for the ticket, whilst the Dems had firm national favorites like the unifying (heh) Hillary, the charismatic Gore, the steady and dependable Dean, the intellectual Biden, and the widely beloved (!) John Kerry. At the last minute, they had to pull a freshman senator with no legislative background or political chops out of their hats to gather previously unreliable Dem voters to the polls.

    Successful, but all the Dems had was demographic luck, not leadership luck. And YEARS from the next PoTUS elex, they’re braying about the Repub’s situation????

  • FJG

    I grew up just outside of Memphis and thankfully Marsha Blackburn represents my family’s district. I don’t know if Cohen will survive the next election. He barely won this past election and as a white, gay, jewish man he faces tough odds in Memphis’s predominately black, christian communities. I think the only reason he won last time was because of his early support of Obama (Who can forget him taking his time on the House floor to declare that Jesus was a community organizer.) There is talk of the former Memphis Mayor Willie Harrington running for that seat and if he does he will probably beat Cohen. While Harrington isn’t crazy like Cohen, Harrington is as, if not more, corrupt as any Chicago or Detroit politican.

  • fightnright

    is Obama’s sole area of competence. Since he is clueless and has no experience in an administrative position, crafting or moving major legislation, and has no idea how authentic leadership gets things done in DC, the zerO’s handlers fear that their figurehead will shrink into insignificance with no presence at all on the Washington scene. Hence the endless lecturing, which at least keeps the guy on the stage. But with all these major addresses, the nation is losing the ability to be able to identify any specific one that is significantly important or historically meaningful from all the rest. It’s a big loss in the administration’s currency.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    I suspect the Blue Dogs represent the stronger opposition because it is their electoral rear-ends on the line. Plus, they are in line with the Senate.

    House liberals are stupid make a futile sacrifice in the House because its going nowhere in thee Senate.

    They’ll huff and puff and fold once they get some pork and promises for other projects from Pelosi, Hoyer and Obama.

  • peg_c

    is a good Congress, unfortunately.

  • peg_c

    I worked in Southbury for 3 years. The real estate is mouthwatering, the cars are all exotic, and virtually every one of those residents is a lib. Obama bumperstickers now are de rigueur. Simply mindboggling. We attended a nice little Ridgefield Tea Party last March. Maybe 150 showed up. They are good conservatives the ones who do, but the state itself is insanely liberal, for reasons I cannot fathom. My best guess is Rich White Guilt. Feh!

  • Swamp_Yankee

    There are three general democraphics in CT. The old swamp yankees of the north and east. The New York and wealthy city suburbs of communities like West Hartford and New Haven. And the cities like Bridgeport, New Haven and the ever depressing Hartford.

    CT is one of the most segregated places in the whole Northeast. The divisions are striking. Dont underestimate the influence of the black community in the cities like Hartford. Their numbers are huge and they are attached to Obama.

  • Mayhem

    I wonder why Baron Hill is on the “No” vote list. He is the guy who called all his constituents “political terrorists.” Twice.

  • http://fjrealamericans.blogspot.com/ fjrealamericans

    How many dems are posers who are simply scared enough about the 2010 election to say what they think the Americans want to hear?

  • http://fjrealamericans.blogspot.com/ fjrealamericans

    are also losing credibility fast!
    Seems like he knows this and is scrambling like a QB on a fourth down.

  • rrlandis

    I have stated before, and I’ll say it again. If Obama continues to follow the outline as stated in W. Cleon Skousen’s. What the Newly Proposed ?Model? Constitution Would Do To the U.S.A. From Law & Order, April 1971. ?Crisis In America – Do We Need a New Constitution?? that includes the text for of the new constitution as it appeared in the Center Magazine, September-October, 1970.
    Constitution for a United Republics of America: A model for discussion, Version xxxvii (1970). If he follows this plan (AND I BELIEVE HE WILL), he will use his newly appointed Health Czar to get the “Healthcare” package he wants. He will also turn loose the full power of his other czars and begin to dismantle congress.

    There are some in congress who are afraid, and there a many who are ignorantly being used to pass his agenda. Then they will start looking for new employment.

  • http://www.radiofreecomfort.com Grant from Comfort

    To me, the real problem with Fedzilla is this: The D’s and R’s seem to think whatever they agree upon is automatically “close enough” to Constitutional. Been happening since FDR. Most of these guys in DC wouldn’t recognize the Constitution if a signed copy was delivered by James Madison himself.

    I would welcome bills that trend toward the restoration of free markets in all healthcare things…real free markets. If Fedzilla would just back out and back off, the administrative savings alone would relieve much of the cost pressure that now exists.

    If Fedzilla controlled the electronics market the way they control healthcare, an iPhone would cost $2,500, wouldn’t ring any phones out of state and would be the size of a shoebox.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Democrat Congressmen are afraid of terrorists. They’ll back down in fear of them every time.

  • throwback59

    Is the Republican memo from last week before Obi’s speech? It mentions the speech in the future tense. If so the memo is outdated. The MSM has been saying the libs are now on board with a watered down P.O. As everyone here has been saying, can’t rest a bit. Socialism never sleeps.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    to be able to recognize one despite the 12 pounds of C4 strapped around their waist.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    he has violated the first rule of celebrity in a free society. Overexposure leads to exposure exhaustion. Continually #failing at policy, politics and foreign policy in your actions tends to override your spoken platitudes. Recap from Friday nights news dump:

    Caves to the N. Korean mini-me.
    Caves to Ahmadinnerjacket.
    Admits Joe Wilson was speaking truth.

    Sunday nights News Dump:

    Totally pisses of our bankers for the opportunity to pay back the unions whom the public now believes is “detrimental” to the Nation.

    On 60 minutes:

    Acknowledges Public Option is a rotting decomposing corpse he will probably have to amputate.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    Pelosi and Obama, for the opportunity to have his sound bite picked up by Olbermann. The only reason that Chuck Schumer is not dead in a rush to the cameras is that they have metal detectors in the Capitol and Polis has not figured out a way to get in a weapon deadly enough and stealthy enough to kill Schumer as they both cruise the halls looking for a hapless camera crew.

  • Flagstaff

    Where are his handlers?

    Gluttons for punishment.

  • Flagstaff

    He’s speaking again
    tonight? Where are his handlers?
    Punishment gluttons.

  • JoeG

    Republican run government didn’t work out so well for us.

    It was a slower rate of growth of big government, not less big government.

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  • chong

    While I do agree with you about the Dems being in disarray. I will have to agree with them that our leaders have not been our representatives us so much. The way I am seeing it, most of them have not withhold their principles, which are the reasons we voted for them. Once they get to Washington, most of them go about doing whatever they feel. I could be wrong, but that is how I am seeing it. That is how I explain of their lose of majority because they didn’t hold true to their principles. If am wrong with this thinking, please explain where I went wrong.

  • mbauer

    Does anyone remember how many Dems voted with us on Cap and Trade in the house?
    Forty. freaken. Four. And it passed.

    When it comes to big government providing programs to “help” the poor, I’d bet the moon we will have many more defectors than on cap and trade.

    Maybe I’m being too cynical. There are versions of health care reform I’d like to consider- just none that involve a new huge government program.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    The House is just in scaredy-cat mode. Good analysis as far as it goes – the House is stuck …

    But Senate action could get the House “unstuck”. If the Senate passes ‘co-op’ version ObamaCare, we would get a bill with all the mandates, taxes, pain, and medicare squeezes of HR3200, just without the dollop of public option on top.

    It still is a very bad bill.

    But if it gets through the Senate … They will RAHM it through the House.

    THE SENATE IS WHERE ITS AT. WE HAVE TO STOP THE BAUCUS BILL. WE NEED TO HAVE ZERO GOP VOTES FOR THIS AND A STRONG STAND AGAINST “NUCLEAR OPTION” RECONCILIATION.

  • fightnright

    I wholeheartedly agree with you! Even though (R)’s had a better slate of legislators to choose from, it does not necessarily follow that that experience and background will lead them, once elected, to forgo the influence peddling, graft, poll-watching, etc., that causes our elected employees to govern in a way that does not reflect the will of those who entrusted them with the job.

    Whenever GWB is criticized as a Republican (or conservative) for leaving a mess behind, I have to ask ‘exactly which authentically *conservative principled* legislation enacted during his administration contributed to that mess?’